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In the Wizard there is a list of potentail candiates to take the mantel
Iron Man
Punisher
Taskmaster
U.S Agent
Flacon
Winter Soilder
Hawkeye
Sharon Carter

and copule others

It's already revealed as Punisher and have released his new character design awhile ago.

I saw it, but he is not going to be the next Captain Amercia. Especaily if Tonk is going to pick the person to replace his legacy.

Tony is going to pick the new Captain America? Havn't heard that... interesting.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
It's already revealed as Punisher and have released his new character design awhile ago.

MAX punisher is awesome.

It'll be Bob,Agent of Hydra.

Im betting Winter Soldier honestly...just the way #25 planned out...seemed to easily put him into the spotlight..

Steve Rogers

Originally posted by Validus
Steve Rogers

hmm

I doubt it falcon.....I think falcon is ronin.......

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7012/28ur1df7.th.jpg

He'll be back in a year and a half

Hell look how long it took for Superman to come back.

Originally posted by Grimm22
He'll be back in a year and a half

Hell look how long it took for Superman to come back. Nice sig, Grimm.

You know what I'm probably going to be laughed at but as long as Hudlin isn't writing him I wouldn't mind Luke Cage being the new Captain America.

I refuse to aknowledge anybody but Steve Rogers as Captain America.

Originally posted by Newjak
You know what I'm probably going to be laughed at but as long as Hudlin isn't writing him I wouldn't mind Luke Cage being the new Captain America.

*laughs at Newjak*

Originally posted by Badabing
I refuse to aknowledge anybody but Steve Rogers as Captain America.

me neither...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
*laughs at Newjak*

*joins in with the laughing*

I hate you all

Seriously though out of everyone I was thinking of Luke Cage seems to be the right person to carry on the mantle of CA.

That is of course if Steve isn't coming back.

Originally posted by Faceman
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7012/28ur1df7.th.jpg

I don't know why you posted that. It has already been shown she said that to lure them into a trap. They go to bust him out and it turns out it is another person entirely.

Originally posted by Faceman
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7012/28ur1df7.th.jpg
Is this old news or something? I read the Avengers where they found a Captain America double that was set there by Tony to trap the old anti-regs, but is she referring to that one, or the actual Captain?

next captain america is definetly sentry

Originally posted by Faceman
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7012/28ur1df7.th.jpg Does no one read the other books? Straight from the pages of Civil War: The Initiative #1. This book was released the exact same day as Captain America #25, where he supposedly died.

i thought paladin was already masquerading as cap

Originally posted by Faceman
Does no one read the other books? Straight from the pages of Civil War: The Initiative #1. This book was released the exact same day as Captain America #25, where he supposedly died.

Not quite, in New Avengers just recently it was revealed Ms.Marvel was lying so she could create a trap and capture the New Avengers even creating a fake Captain America body. She was lying and setting Spider-Woman up

Originally posted by Faceman
Does no one read the other books? Straight from the pages of Civil War: The Initiative #1. This book was released the exact same day as Captain America #25, where he supposedly died.
lol irony

Originally posted by Validus
lol irony Indeed.

Bucky's the best guess. Though there's really no one on that list that i'd actually want to see as Cap.

Cept maybe Taskmaster.

Originally posted by Newjak
You know what I'm probably going to be laughed at but as long as Hudlin isn't writing him I wouldn't mind Luke Cage being the new Captain America.

Neither would I actually.

Originally posted by manjaro
i thought paladin was already masquerading as cap Well he does have the physical attributes, but not the fighting skill.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Though there's really no one on that list that i'd actually want to see as Cap.

Cept maybe Taskmaster.

yes (he won't get the position I'm sure but I'd like to see him as Cap)

Originally posted by manjaro
i thought paladin was already masquerading as cap

He wasn't masquerading as Cap. In H4H he got knocked up and Shang Chi dressed him up as Captain America so SHIELD would take him instead of the real Cap into custody.

Bruce Banner.
Fact.

I think marvel is setting up so it looks like Bucky will be Cap but I bet that's misinformation and it's actually Punisher

Has anyone seen the latest cover yet for issue 27? It shows a picture of Winter soldier on the front crouched in front of a flipped over motor bike and the caption said something along the lines of "Nothing is what it seems, not even this cover!" or something to that effect..........

Captain America is no one other than Steve Rogers. I think Marvel is going to have Tony Stark say that him and Steve Rogers set up his death.

Me

God, why couldn't they have killed Hulk instead of Cap

Seriously, does anyone actually care about Hulk nowadays?

I swear to god if he actually beats Black Bolt I will never read another Marvel comic again

I think Capunisher looks fruity.
http://www.newsarama.com/movies/Hellboy/Iron/889new_storyimage3793928_full.jpg

He looks fat as opposed to muscular. I hope the guy who has been doing the art for Cap recently, draws him better.

Fat and fruity. Capunisher looks like a ripened watermelon he does.

No one can fill the shoes of being Cap. They should drive on and explore on other characters like T'Challa, Daredevil, and Punisher.

Originally posted by long pig
Fat and fruity. Capunisher looks like a ripened watermelon he does.

I just know Marvel's going to try to pitch Wolverine as Cap on us

Cap: Are you kidding me?!? You killed me off so you could replace me with this overexposed piece of garbage?!?

Joe Q: Hey, he brings in the cash?!?

Cap: But he's not even American!

Joe Q: Thats what we have retcons for

Cap: Don't tell me, your going to make Spider-Man the new Bucky next

Joe Q: Well...

Cap: Thats it, im going to DC

I was wondering this my self.

I think falcon may be ronin so he likly a no go.

It seems like punisher may be capt though I am not sure.

Well, Cap and Punisher are a lot alike. The difference is Cap does what he thinks is right, and it's normally the right thing to do. Pun does what he thinks is right, but he just so happens to be a homicidal maniac.

Cap and Punisher could EASILY trade places. Seriously, if Cap's actions weren't being approved of, don't you think he'd still do them whether or not other people don't like it? Hell yes he would.

Did anyone happen to read this on marvel.com, thought it was some pretty good insight of one of the editors.

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.942


Intresting to say the least.

I can see it now. They get a "new" Captain America only this one has claws and shoots little sheilds from his gauntlets and he has a fancy hi-tech helmet and outfit that's more resistant but heavy.
And Captain America will have to recover and go back through training under Elektra to get better and Elektra sends these deadly ninjas to kill Captain so Captain's training is he fights for his life.
Meanwhile the new Az-Cap takes down the man that shot Captain...Crossbones.
Captain America returns to his cave and reclaims his mantle and fights the new Captain America/Azrael and defeats him with some bum move that blinds him. But Captain America doesn't arrest this "Azrael" character. No! He let's him go, blaming himself for allowing it to happen. And everyone lives happily ever after.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

Sentry!






Yea that scared me when I thought of it as a joke too.
Imagine Marvel would become DC..... OH GOD The horror I can continue with it anymore. Its just to horrific.scared

Originally posted by long pig
Well, Cap and Punisher are a lot alike. The difference is Cap does what he thinks is right, and it's normally the right thing to do. Pun does what he thinks is right, but he just so happens to be a homicidal maniac.

Cap and Punisher could EASILY trade places. Seriously, if Cap's actions weren't being approved of, don't you think he'd still do them whether or not other people don't like it? Hell yes he would.

You've basically just described Civil War from one side

That news story up above, makes an interesting case for Luke Cage to take the mantle. Why not him? (He'll have to clean up his language, is all... )

And if they want a female, Miss Marvel seems the ideal choice.

Originally posted by Newjak
You know what I'm probably going to be laughed at but as long as Hudlin isn't writing him I wouldn't mind Luke Cage being the new Captain America. Did someone mention Luke Cage as Captain America

They should make Deadpool as the new Cap....


But really Frank is the best pick.

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/vol/5000/4249/4249-37531-1-what-if-_400.jpg

The irony is overwhelming

I can't believe there's even a discussion here...

The next Captain America is OBVIOUSLY going to be Prof. X

I'm going to say.... Steve Rogers.

Jubilee.Seriuosly,what better way to shock everyone then have an asian muty be the next CA.

Originally posted by grey fox
http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/vol/5000/4249/4249-37531-1-what-if-_400.jpg

The irony is overwhelming i wanna read that now

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Jubilee.Seriuosly,what better way to shock everyone then have an asian muty be the next CA. Uatu?

nick fury?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Uatu?


How is an omnipotent uglier Hamburgler more shocking then an Asian Miutie?I mean,she'd be hated in both the fictional and real world.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
How is an omnipotent uglier Hamburgler more shocking then an Asian Miutie?I mean,she'd be hated in both the fictional and real world. I wouldn't say that, if I were you.

Next thing you know, Korea will be getting rid of the rest of their nukes, by sending them down south... and prepared to detonate.

I'd like either Sharon Carter or Bucky to be the next Cap, it gives of that kinda legacy vibe thing that the Batman family has, which is cool

Australians are immune to radiation,it's a known scientific fact.We evolved so we could have stronger beer.


Like Canadians have tails.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Australians are immune to radiation,it's a known scientific fact.We evolved so we could have stronger beer.


Like Canadians have tails. Bah. Aussie beer is nothing compared to ours. And we got rid of the tails years ago!

okay since i am the cap guy around here with the most say so... Ill break it down.

punisher is gonna be the new cap but only for a short period of time, the captain america mantle is going to bucky, then after that when people reject it, Rogers WILL be back. how long till he comes back...i have no idea...but he will be back, within the next 5 years or so...

Punisher isn't going to be Captain America, he's going to dress like Captain America for a little while.

I wouldn't have any problems at all with Bucky being Captain America, other than I would prefer him being his own character rather than being Cap' just to fufill Marvel's need for legacy heroes.

Who should be Cap? Bucky or Agent 13
Who will be? most likely Punisher judging from the pictures

Yeah.. Agent 13 should be Captain America after she killed him

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Yeah.. Agent 13 should be Captain America after she killed him Believe it or not, I could actually see that reasoning work in the comics.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Yeah.. Agent 13 should be Captain America after she killed him thats not proven that she killed captain america yet...but signs are definatley pointing to it.

what i dont get is how in the hell those bullets killed cap...like fury said...hes been shot before...and much worse...the fact that those few rounds put cap down is still making me ponder...

and i say patriot should begin his training as the new cap, but until hes ready be the new bucky for....bucky

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Yeah.. Agent 13 should be Captain America after she killed him

Yes because judging by the last panel it was her who did it and not really Dr Faustus controlling her

Originally posted by willRules
Yes because judging by the last panel it was her who did it and not really Dr Faustus controlling her

Let's review:

If I was standing there and saw what had occured, would I think, Oh.. it was Dr Faustus mind controlling her in an eloborate plot planned by Red Skull, Crossbones, Sin, Anim Zola and Dr Faustus to destroy Captain America? or would I think.. Shit, that blonde ***** just shot Captain America!... twice! ?

Just because she was mind-controlled doesn't mean she didn't kill him.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Let's review:

If I was standing there and saw what had occured, would I think, Oh.. it was Dr Faustus mind controlling her in an eloborate plot planned by Red Skull, Crossbones, Sin, Anim Zola and Dr Faustus to destroy Captain America? or would I think.. Shit, that blonde ***** just shot Captain America!... twice! ?

Just because she was mind-controlled doesn't mean she didn't kill him.

So if I hypnotised you into killing someone you'd be prepared to take the fall?

Excellent....................thumbsup

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Punisher isn't going to be Captain America, he's going to dress like Captain America for a little while.



Talking of the punisher did anyone read runaways this month?

Originally posted by willRules
So if I hypnotised you into killing someone you'd be prepared to take the fall?

Excellent....................thumbsup

You really fail.

If a passer-by were to see it, they would automatically jump to the conclusion that she killed him.

how hard is that to understand? that alone would stop her from ever becoming Captain America.

Originally posted by zozo_yoyo_xoxo
Talking of the punisher did anyone read runaways this month?

You say that like you don't know I did

Originally posted by CasanoVa
You say that like you don't know I did

Did you? I actually did not know this.

Originally posted by zozo_yoyo_xoxo
Did you? I actually did not know this.

Oh my mistake, I presumed you had read one of the several "pull list" threads that are floating about (forgetting that most of them have been closed).

Yes I did, Punisher fired a Grenade Launcher at the Runaways but they managed to get out unharmed, except they bump into him (last page) with his guns out etc.

Not much happened other than they took sanctionary from the Kingpin in New York to hide from Stark etc. but had to rob a building of some articfacts in exchange, Punisher shows up, it all goes ****-up.

Set up with a confrontation between the Punisher and the Runaways and Fisk presumably next issue.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Oh my mistake, I presumed you had read one of the several "pull list" threads that are floating about (forgetting that most of them have been closed).

Yes I did, Punisher fired a Grenade Launcher at the Runaways but they managed to get out unharmed, except they bump into him (last page) with his guns out etc.

Not much happened other than they took sanctionary from the Kingpin in New York to hide from Stark etc. but had to rob a building of some articfacts in exchange, Punisher shows up, it all goes ****-up.

Set up with a confrontation between the Punisher and the Runaways and Fisk presumably next issue.


And of course that rather large guy with wings "The new angel of Death?" I don' read 616 X men anymore so if someone can confirm this I waould appreciate it!

Originally posted by zozo_yoyo_xoxo
And of course that rather large guy with wings "The new angel of Death?" I don' read 616 X men anymore so if someone can confirm this I waould appreciate it!

I didn't mention him because I didn't know who the hell he was, I think he's an original creation actually. Not too sure definetly haven't seem him in any X-men book I've read

Originally posted by CasanoVa
I didn't mention him because I didn't know who the hell he was, I think he's an original creation actually. Not too sure definetly haven't seem him in any X-men book I've read

No i didn't recognise him his tech does look very Apocalypse though doesn't it.

Originally posted by zozo_yoyo_xoxo
No i didn't recognise him his tech does look very Apocalips though doesn't it.

Despite the fact Whedon's come straight off an X-men book I doubt it very much he would put an x-men villain in the Runaways, especially one that sucks to the extent that Apocalypse does. Wonder who the old lady is?

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Despite the fact Whedon's come straight off an X-men book I doubt it very much he would put an x-men villain in the Runaways, especially one that sucks to the extent that Apocalypse does. Wonder who the old lady is?

One of the trademarks of runaways is taking things which are a bit crap and making them work in my opinion..

Originally posted by zozo_yoyo_xoxo
One of the trademarks of runaways is taking things which are a bit crap and making them work in my opinion..

Some examples of that are?

I actually never want Apocalypse to "grace" the pages of Runaways 'cause well what reason would there be? To take Molly?

Apocalypse would fit into the runaways as much as Sabertooth would fit into Silver Surfer... there's just no reason for it, even if you DO think they're cool characters..

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Apocalypse would fit into the runaways as much as Sabertooth would fit into Silver Surfer... there's just no reason for it, even if you DO think they're cool characters..

Well Doom, Ultron and Superskrulls as well as giant gods who lived under the sea fitted O.K.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Some examples of that are?

I actually never want Apocalypse to "grace" the pages of Runaways 'cause well what reason would there be? To take Molly?

Who's saying it's apocalypse it might just be a creation of his that has moved on. It wouldn't be the first time.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Some examples of that are?

I actually never want Apocalypse to "grace" the pages of Runaways 'cause well what reason would there be? To take Molly?

That would be Hilarious.

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In apocs secret pyramid base which somehow hasn't been discovered or attacked by Dubya....

Molly : HI, why did you bring me here ?

Apoc : Because , annoying little mutant child, you kicked Wolverine's ass.

Molly : Your funny *giggles* You have blue lips , why ?

Apock : *quietly* F*ckin annoying little brat

laaaaaaaaaaattttttttttttteeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr

Runaways : Man is our series ever more angsty and emo like without our comic relief

Molly : Hi guys !

* Molly is now 18 years old and has the usual comic book female supermodel body coupled with the extreme lack of clothing*

Nico : Holy shit , you look like you stepped out of the 90's !

Karolina : *Drooling*

Originally posted by grey fox
That would be Hilarious.

000000
In apocs secret pyramid base which somehow hasn't been discovered or attacked by Dubya....

Molly : HI, why did you bring me here ?

Apoc : Because , annoying little mutant child, you kicked Wolverine's ass.

Molly : Your funny *giggles* You have blue lips , why ?

Apock : *quietly* F*ckin annoying little brat

laaaaaaaaaaattttttttttttteeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr

Runaways : Man is our series ever more angsty and emo like without our comic relief

Molly : Hi guys !

* Molly is now 18 years old and has the usual comic book female supermodel body coupled with the extreme lack of clothing*

Nico : Holy shit , you look like you stepped out of the 90's !

Karolina : *Drooling*

On another forum they have a group called the Hype in favour of the abduction, corruption and sodomisation of Molly. I think they went a bit far.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
You really fail.

If a passer-by were to see it, they would automatically jump to the conclusion that she killed him.

how hard is that to understand? that alone would stop her from ever becoming Captain America.

Oh so you are basing her justification for her becoming Cap on what people think of her. Well in civil War the majority hated Cap's guts (as shown in Thunderbolts #111) so did that suddenly make him not Captain America anymore?

Plus the fact that someone jumped a conclusion if they saw Sharon shooting Cap doesn't mean she is responsible for his death, it means that they were (you said it yourself) jumping to a conclusion

Honestly, I hope there is no new Cap

Seriously, i've finally gotten used to the MU without Cap

Sure I miss him, but he'll be back in a couple years or so.

We don't want Marvel to make another mistake like they did with Hawkeye and give his name to some annoying sidekick who doesn't deserve to wear the title

Originally posted by willRules
Oh so you are basing her justification for her becoming Cap on what people think of her. Well in civil War the majority hated Cap's guts (as shown in Thunderbolts #111) so did that suddenly make him not Captain America anymore?

Plus the fact that someone jumped a conclusion if they saw Sharon shooting Cap doesn't mean she is responsible for his death, it means that they were (you said it yourself) jumping to a conclusion

What is this? Really.. what is this?

If you saw somebody shoot someone in the street, you wouldn't hesitate if the police asked you to say it was them who shot them would you? No, 616 citizens are even more ignorant than real people, they saw her shoot him.. whats hard to understand about that?

No, it was portrayed different, nobody "hated Cap's guts" if you saw the poll it was 65%-35% (in Winter Soldier: Winter Kills) and even at the courtroom there were plenty more supporters than "haters".

If i were to run somebody over and 50 people saw me, how would I not be responsible? please tell me this, infront of all those people who all witnessed it, how could i possibly not be responsible?

Originally posted by CasanoVa
What is this? Really.. what is this?

If you saw somebody shoot someone in the street, you wouldn't hesitate if the police asked you to say it was them who shot them would you? No, 616 citizens are even more ignorant than real people, they saw her shoot him.. whats hard to understand about that?

So you're saying that because people see Sharon shoot Cap, even though we know it wasn't her fault as she was being "controlled" by Faustus, we should just blame her anyway because people saw it that way? It's the equivalent of of blaming the knife in a stabbing or the bomb in an explosion, not the person holding the knife of the one who set off the bomb.Regardless of what people saw or thought doesn't suddenly mean Sharon's to blame. If I saw you stood over a dead man with gun in your hand of course I'd blame you, but it doesn't necessarily mean I'd be correct in blaming you

Originally posted by CasanoVa
No, it was portrayed different, nobody "hated Cap's guts" if you saw the poll it was 65%-35% (in Winter Soldier: Winter Kills) and even at the courtroom there were plenty more supporters than "haters".

Civil War issue #2 Cap portrayed as an outlaw and a fugitive.
Civil War #3 Cap has already gone underground from Cape killers with his Secret Avengers
Civil War issue #6 cap authorises the breaking and entering of the Baxter building, the home of one of the most loved groups of family superheroes in 616.
Civil War issue #7 Various members of the public prevent cap from attacking stark because they don't support Cap anymore.

This is just some of the examples from the main storyline, not including the tie in issues where he is portrayed as a wanted criminal

Originally posted by CasanoVa
If i were to run somebody over and 50 people saw me, how would I not be responsible? please tell me this, in front of all those people who all witnessed it, how could i possibly not be responsible?

I don't know perhaps if you were mind controlled/ hypnotized/ brainwashed into doing it and therefore you weren't responsible for your actions but your "controller" was, just possibly like what happened to Sharon Carter.

Originally posted by willRules
So you're saying that because people see Sharon shoot Cap, even though we know it wasn't her fault as she was being "controlled" by Faustus, we should just blame her anyway because people saw it that way? It's the equivalent of of blaming the knife in a stabbing or the bomb in an explosion, not the person holding the knife of the one who set off the bomb.Regardless of what people saw or thought doesn't suddenly mean Sharon's to blame. If I saw you stood over a dead man with gun in your hand of course I'd blame you, but it doesn't necessarily mean I'd be correct tin blaming



Civil War issue #2 Cap portrayed as an outlaw and a fugitive.
Civil War #3 Cap has already gone underground from Cape killers with his Secret Avengers
Civil War issue #6 cap authorises the breaking and entering of the Baxter building, the home of one of the most loved groups of family superheroes in 616.
Civil War issue #7 Various members of the public prevent cap from attacking stark because they don't support Cap anymore.

This is just some of the examples from the main storyline, not including the tie in issues where he is portrayed as a wanted criminal



I don't know perhaps if you were mind controlled/ hypnotized/ brainwashed into doing it and therefore you weren't responsible for your actions but your "controller" was, just possibly like what happened to Sharon Carter.

I never once said he wasn't a criminal, you said he was "hated" but that's still an over-exaggeration on your part IMO. He wasn't hated at all, even members of the Pro-reg side even saw him as their friends despite all of the things that happened during the "war".

You're reading waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much into this as a comic book reader Will, see it as a normal citizen of the 616 universe, you see Sharon Carter shooting Captain America twice.. its totally different, if they had seen her standing over Captain America with her gun drawn and him shot maybe I could understand (we're over-looking the fact that nobody properly saw her except the evil dude for the sake of the argument).

But lookey here, I'm standing in the crowd outside the courtroom waiting for Captain America to come in, he starts walking in to enter and then suddenly he gets hit in the shoulder from a sniper bullet. He starts to stumble, Sharon Carter rushes over to him and shoots him twice in the stomach.

Now from how I see that, she was the murderer, lets pretend this had happened in real life shall we? What proof is there that she had been mind-controlled? There's none, we only see Carter shooting him in the stomach and she can't exactly give any evidence that she's been mind controlled.

If this were in a court of law and I were to say "oh I've been mind-controlled" do you think it would stand up? No, it wouldn't in the 616 universe either without proper evidence (like in say the Wolverine storyline where he's locked in "The Cage".

I'm not asking you this from a comic book reader, with all the knowledge of what Red Skull had been up to, but as a 616 citizen who witnessed Sharon Carter shooting Captain America twice.

EDIT- I'm not arguing against that she isn't to blame, because I know she isn't, all I'm saying if they looked over CCTV tapes or whatever and see what happens, very clear it will be her that murdered him and there will be no proof otherwise or that she had been mind-controlled -EDIT.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
I never once said he wasn't a criminal, you said he was "hated" but that's still an over-exaggeration on your part IMO. He wasn't hated at all, even members of the Pro-reg side even saw him as their friends despite all of the things that happened during the "war".

You're reading waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much into this as a comic book reader Will, see it as a normal citizen of the 616 universe, you see Sharon Carter shooting Captain America twice.. its totally different, if they had seen her standing over Captain America with her gun drawn and him shot maybe I could understand (we're over-looking the fact that nobody properly saw her except the evil dude for the sake of the argument).

But lookey here, I'm standing in the crowd outside the courtroom waiting for Captain America to come in, he starts walking in to enter and then suddenly he gets hit in the shoulder from a sniper bullet. He starts to stumble, Sharon Carter rushes over to him and shoots him twice in the stomach.

Now from how I see that, she was the murderer, lets pretend this had happened in real life shall we? What proof is there that she had been mind-controlled? There's none, we only see Carter shooting him in the stomach and she can't exactly give any evidence that she's been mind controlled.

If this were in a court of law and I were to say "oh I've been mind-controlled" do you think it would stand up? No, it wouldn't in the 616 universe either without proper evidence (like in say the Wolverine storyline where he's locked in "The Cage".

I'm not asking you this from a comic book reader, with all the knowledge of what Red Skull had been up to, but as a 616 citizen who witnessed Sharon Carter shooting Captain America twice.

EDIT- I'm not arguing against that she isn't to blame, because I know she isn't, all I'm saying if they looked over CCTV tapes or whatever and see what happens, very clear it will be her that murdered him and there will be no proof otherwise or that she had been mind-controlled -EDIT.

I'm not saying she wouldn't be blamed I'm merely saying she shouldn't be blamed. As a reader with the knowledge of the villains plans of course I know it not to Sharon's fault and without that knowledge of course I would blame her, but if the sky was green I'd refer to a green sky, but it's not it's blue.

Likewise if Sharon was to blame, then I' blame her, but she's not so I won't. I'm not reading into this to much as I am looking at it as a reader, not a citizen of the MU

If I was a citizen of the 616 universe I would blame her, but I'm not I am a comic book reader who knows that Dr Faustus probably was responsible and therefore Sharon isn't to blame.

Plus just because there is a lack of evidence doesn't mean it's untrue, obviously. There is no point arguing ifs and buts if we know what the real outcome is, regardless of how we can prove it or not.

Originally posted by willRules
I'm not saying she wouldn't be blamed I'm merely saying she shouldn't be blamed. As a reader with the knowledge of the villains plans of course I know it not to Sharon's fault and without that knowledge of course I would blame her, but if the sky was green I'd refer to a green sky, but it's not it's blue.

Likewise if Sharon was to blame, then I' blame her, but she's not so I won't. I'm not reading into this to much as I am looking at it as a reader, not a citizen of the MU

If I was a citizen of the 616 universe I would blame her, but I'm not I am a comic book reader who knows that Dr Faustus probably was responsible and therefore Sharon isn't to blame.

Plus just because there is a lack of evidence doesn't mean it's untrue, obviously. There is no point arguing ifs and buts if we know what the real outcome is, regardless of how we can prove it or not.

Yes, but you argued for Sharon to be Captain America despite the fact that to the citizens of the MU (if they ever find out, which they should because when such things happen for eg JFK's assanation, there's no shortage of footage etc.) she was the one that killed him.

She won't ever be Captain America, nor should she be to be honest. Michael Pointer became Guardian despite the fact he killed her, maybe.. and it's the exact same thing, but Agent 13 just doesn't deserve it (when there are people like Fury, Hawkeye, Bucky floating about).

Does it matter what is true and untrue? No, it's about what you can and cannot prove.

Either way, there's no way in Hell she will ever become Captain America. Really.

In two months the new Cap will reveal that he is Ronin trying to keep the name alive.

One month after that Ronin will be revealed to be SteveRogers.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
In two months the new Cap will reveal that he is Ronin trying to keep the name alive.

One month after that Ronin will be revealed to be SteveRogers.

Too early, it's be longer then that I reckon.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Too early, it's be longer then that I reckon.
apperntly marvel say they have 1 years worth of material without cap?

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Yes, but you argued for Sharon to be Captain America despite the fact that to the citizens of the MU (if they ever find out, which they should because when such things happen for eg JFK's assanation, there's no shortage of footage etc.) she was the one that killed him.

She won't ever be Captain America, nor should she be to be honest. Michael Pointer became Guardian despite the fact he killed her, maybe.. and it's the exact same thing, but Agent 13 just doesn't deserve it (when there are people like Fury, Hawkeye, Bucky floating about).

I agree that she won't be but I personally think she could be an interesting Cap at least until Rogers gets resurrected a couple of years down the line That's why I said this.............

Originally posted by willRules
Who should be Cap? Bucky or Agent 13
Who will be? most likely Punisher judging from the pictures

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Does it matter what is true and untrue? No, it's about what you can and cannot prove.

I couldn't disagree with this statement more even if I tried really hard to do so.

Originally posted by willRules
Either way, there's no way in Hell she will ever become Captain America. Really.

Agreed.

Originally posted by willRules
I agree that she won't be but I personally think she could be an interesting Cap at least until Rogers gets resurrected a couple of years down the line That's why I said this.............





I couldn't disagree with this statement more even if I tried really hard to do so.



Agreed.

Well that was a nice little discussion Mr.Russell, same time next week?

Well, after reading all of that, my only conclusion is that the "" smilie should be shot, and erased from history.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Well, after reading all of that, my only conclusion is that the "" smilie should be shot, and erased from history.

That was all Will, not once did I use it

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Well that was a nice little discussion Mr.Russell, same time next week?

I hope I didn't sound too rude but to each his own I suppose



And yes Smilies should be shot

Darn it I just put a smilie in then didn't I?

I did it again and again


I can't stop.............AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH fear

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q276/Acolyte_01/24.jpg This guy was supposed to do it.

You know, I love it when people repost my scans .

MVP, yeah he rocks.

in the latest joe fridays, there's an image of shatterstar holding cap's shield and in a toned down red, white and blue motif. and, of course, it's drawn by liefeld.

heaven help us.

also, guardian was mac's codename at the time the collective killed everybody, not heather's.

Does anybody thing that Steve Rogers is still alive?

Originally posted by Disappear
in the latest joe fridays, there's an image of shatterstar holding cap's shield and in a toned down red, white and blue motif. and, of course, it's drawn by liefeld.

heaven help us.

also, guardian was mac's codename at the time the collective killed everybody, not heather's.

That's Killraven, a new series drawn by Liefeld & Written by Kirkman. It won't last long, Kirkman = Awesome! Liefeld = reaaaaally craptacular and only got on the book because he's personal friends with Kirkman.

Kirkman is amazing. Ant-Man is a great read so I'll def give Killraven a shot. Buy it!

This guy is going to be the new cap

http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marvelinjuly20072007041tc2.jpg

Originally posted by jasonk3
This guy is going to be the new cap

http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marvelinjuly20072007041tc2.jpg


That's Punisher I think he is still the most likely candidate to be the next Cap unless Marvel is feeding us a load of misinformation

Wow with Fallen son death of Captain America coming up, could Hawkeye be the next Cap?

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=111129

Actually in the preview pages for that issue it shows someone in a tube being monitered by Tony Stark and later someone in what looks like a Cap uniform is shown going after Patriot and female Hawkeye.

Pretty sure Hawkeye (Clint) will turn out to be Ronin (especially after taking a look at the preview pages for 30)

Yeah that's on the full story review. The general consensus on the newsarama forums is that either Hawkeye or Josiah x will become the next Cap (Although some think it might be a cap clone!!!)

So the next obvious question is, if Hawkeye's Cap, who is Ronin?

Originally posted by willRules
Yeah that's on the full story review. The general consensus on the newsarama forums is that either Hawkeye or Josiah x will become the next Cap (Although some think it might be a cap clone!!!)

So the next obvious question is, if Hawkeye's Cap, who is Ronin?
Falcon thats my guess due to a few thing. He would say yo. He friends with Luke cage. He does not know either wolverine or spiderman that well nor has he seen them fight togather.

Jubilee will be the next Cap.


Seriously,who would see that one coming.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Jubilee will be the next Cap.


Seriously,who would see that one coming.

You, apparently.

And if an Australian can figure it out...

Originally posted by capt it up
Falcon thats my guess due to a few thing. He would say yo. He friends with Luke cage. He does not know either wolverine or spiderman that well nor has he seen them fight togather.

Falcon would say Yo, but the other banter seems out of character for Sam imo.

I wonder if is Frank gonna get the SS?

Originally posted by Alfheim
I wonder if is Frank gonna get the SS?

You mean the Super Soldier Serum?

Originally posted by marvelprince
You mean the Super Soldier Serum?

No.

The Schutzstaffel, personal guard to Hitler.

Frank hates criminals, he doesn't mind war criminals though, he thinks they got a bad rap

Originally posted by CasanoVa
No.

The Schutzstaffel, personal guard to Hitler.

Frank hates criminals, he doesn't mind war criminals though, he thinks they got a bad rap

Actually thats quite funny, im slightly pissing my self. hysterical

Originally posted by CasanoVa
No.

The Schutzstaffel, personal guard to Hitler.

Frank hates criminals, he doesn't mind war criminals though, he thinks they got a bad rap

Guess he sympathesizes cause he was in Nam

punisher but apparently sentry it will ruin the punisher so i rekon sentry will treplace him but steve will come backl

punisher

Originally posted by Martian_mind
It'll be Bob,Agent of Hydra.

Best post I've read all day.

I'm still going with Rogers to be the next CA.

And I'm still rooting for Uatu.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
And I'm still rooting for Uatu.

What an illustrious career.

Starts as a Watcher.
Becomes CaptainAmerica.
Gets knocked over by Hulk.

I think the new Capt. America should be Bucky. With his training plus a dose of the super soldier serum and he would rock. His character would come full circle

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What an illustrious career.

Starts as a Watcher.
Becomes CaptainAmerica.
Gets knocked up by Hulk.

hmm I'd have to agree.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
hmm I'd have to agree.

Imagine the child....

Originally posted by marvelprince
Falcon would say Yo, but the other banter seems out of character for Sam imo.
not really if you check out capt and falcon series. Falcon say the type of shit all the time plus he dam good h2h fighter

Originally posted by capt it up
not really if you check out capt and falcon series. Falcon say the type of shit all the time plus he dam good h2h fighter

I've read Cap and the Falcon. I used to be into Falcon based on his Avengers appearances. Thing is he does joke, but not nearly as much as Ronin has. The "yo" does fit, but the other stuff doesn't quite fit imo.

Plus he's been mentioned as an important character in Cap's series so I doubt we'll see him anywhere else for right now.

Originally posted by marvelprince
I've read Cap and the Falcon. I used to be into Falcon based on his Avengers appearances. Thing is he does joke, but not nearly as much as Ronin has. The "yo" does fit, but the other stuff doesn't quite fit imo.

Plus he's been mentioned as an important character in Cap's series so I doubt we'll see him anywhere else for right now.
he onyl said two lines lol...........he was like do they always talk this much.........which he would say. I can't think of one line he would not say.

Any bets on whether Captain America (ongoing) will sell better than it did prior the his death? or whether people won't pick it up because, well he's not even in the book, what's the point?

I sure as hell am going to be picking it up, I need to get my Winter Soldier fix somewhere.

Originally posted by capt it up
he onyl said two lines lol...........he was like do they always talk this much.........which he would say. I can't think of one line he would not say.

To Cage:
"Do they talk this much during a fight"

To Dr Strange:
"What are you doing exactly? You should try hitting. Hitting is fun."

And then in the talk with Silver Samurai regarding Echo.

-"Who's she?"
-"She's Ronin"
-"That little woman is the scourge of the Japanese underworld?"
-"Yup"
-"Then who are you?!"
-"Hey. How are ya?"

Wow I've read that book waay too much times. Anyway my point is that Sam jokes, but nearly everything that has come out of Ronin's mouth has been a joke or smartass remark. Rings more of Clint to me.

Also notice the persons that he's talking too in those instances. Luke Cage who's resistance movement he was apart of in the HoM, plus Dr Strange, the first person he went to see after he was brought back the last time. Coincidence? Probably

Originally posted by marvelprince
To Cage:
"Do they talk this much during a fight"

To Dr Strange:
"What are you doing exactly? You should try hitting. Hitting is fun."

And then in the talk with Silver Samurai regarding Echo.

-"Who's she?"
-"She's Ronin"
-"That little woman is the scourge of the Japanese underworld?"
-"Yup"
-"Then who are you?!"
-"Hey. How are ya?"

Wow I've read that book waay too much times. Anyway my point is that Sam jokes, but nearly everything that has come out of Ronin's mouth has been a joke or smartass remark. Rings more of Clint to me.

Also notice the persons that he's talking too in those instances. Luke Cage who's resistance movement he was apart of in the HoM, plus Dr Strange, the first person he went to see after he was brought back the last time. Coincidence? Probably
sam a smart ass to and he more likly to be ronin level of skill. clint not known for his h2h prowess

Hawkeye = Smartass.
Sam Wilson = Smartass? No.

"Ronin level of skill", please explain to me what you mean by that? Because we don't know who the hell is behind the mask, but whoever it is has little to no feats (as Ronin).

Captain America>>Hawkeye>Falcon IMO (in H2H skills).

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Hawkeye = Smartass.
Sam Wilson = Smartass? No.

"Ronin level of skill", please explain to me what you mean by that? Because we don't know who the hell is behind the mask, but whoever it is has little to no feats (as Ronin).

Captain America>>Hawkeye>Falcon IMO (in H2H skills).

Cosigned.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Hawkeye = Smartass.
Sam Wilson = Smartass? No.

"Ronin level of skill", please explain to me what you mean by that? Because we don't know who the hell is behind the mask, but whoever it is has little to no feats (as Ronin).

Captain America>>Hawkeye>Falcon IMO (in H2H skills).
not even close. hawlk never shows any were near the level of h2h prowess as falcon. Not to mention falcon use to survive as a hero purely do to his hand two hand prowess



falcon is so underrated on the boards and he spank hawlk eye in h2h combat

Originally posted by capt it up
not even close. hawlk never shows any were near the level of h2h prowess as falcon. Not to mention falcon use to survive as a hero purely do to his hand two hand prowess



falcon is so underrated on the boards and he spank hawlk eye in h2h combat

I don't know about "spank" but Sam is not a slouch in the h2h area. However Clint does have more h2h feats and based on Clint's training in Avengers I'd wager he's pretty good.

On and thanks for posting the Newsarama code Nova. I had heard bout it but had not seen it before.

Originally posted by marvelprince
I don't know about "spank" but Sam is not a slouch in the h2h area. However Clint does have more h2h feats and based on Clint's training in Avengers I'd wager he's pretty good.

On and thanks for posting the Newsarama code Nova. I had heard bout it but had not seen it before.
ya not spank, but still he better.





though clint may have more feats due to being in far more comics.

felcon is the more skilled he spent a good aprt of his career relying on simply h2h skill. The once he got his wings he still relied on h2h skill in the air. Clint on the other ahnd relies on his bow though he been trianed in h2h he not sam equal nor does he have sam training. Though if it was a sword fight clint would win.

Originally posted by capt it up
ya not spank, but still he better.





though clint may have more feats due to being in far more comics.

felcon is the more skilled he spent a good aprt of his career relying on simply h2h skill. The once he got his wings he still relied on h2h skill in the air. Clint on the other ahnd relies on his bow though he been trianed in h2h he not sam equal nor does he have sam training. Though if it was a sword fight clint would win.

Even when Sam was on the Avengers we saw him used mostly for recon. Not much in the way of skills shown. Sam should have some pretty good feats considering that he's basically just a MA that can fly, yet Hawkeye who uses his skills secondarily has much more MA feats than he does. And the ones that Clint has are way more impressive imo.

I reckon Punisher or Winter Soldier Although at one point I knida hoped it would be Hawkeye

Originally posted by willRules
I reckon Punisher or Winter Soldier Although at one point I knida hoped it would be Hawkeye

Neither.

Punisher is wearing it as a "Homage"

Brubaker already said that Winter Soldier wouldn't start becoming Captain America, but he wouldn't take anybody else claiming the mantle nicely either.

So who the hell is it? When does the Death of Captain America: Captain America issue come out?

I heard Punisher first them maybe Bucky or a girl.

Yeah Agent 13 as Cap would rock

No it wouldn't

It would suck.