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Alright, anyone that's been following Spiderman recently knows that he's been upgraded to hell and back recently. This, coupled with his experience, has led to Spidey...well....


OMGWTFBBQPWN'ing some of his rogues gallery.

And by some, I mean most. Even his iconic villains.

This is great, I mean, compare Spiderman's first meetings with these villains to his more recent ones, and you can really see Spiderman's growth.

But, on the other hand, it gets a little boring to see Spiderman plow through the opposition.

So, what do you think? Should Spiderman get new, more powerful villains? Should the old villains get upgrades to keep up? Should Spidey get depowered closer to classic levels? Am I just talking out of my ass?

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I'd like to see his enemies powered up.
Have some villian decide he's had enough and go around giving help to Spidey's old foes.

Depowering him will just make things worse in a few years when some writer notices what happened and has him "unleash his real power" to take down someone that should have always been well above him.
Making new rogues is tough and they tend to be skewed in power due to a lack of history in comics. Introducing a couple more might not be a bad idea though.

Spidey could use a couple new inductees to his rogues gallery, but his old enemies getting upgraded would be fine by me.

Lots of his old enemies were upgraded as well.
Others are so powerfull that his little upgrade wouldn't make much of a difference.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Lots of his old enemies were upgraded as well.
Others are so powerfull that his little upgrade wouldn't make much of a difference.

Agreed. The symbiotes would still be VERY difficult opponents for Spiderman.

But he even WTFPWN'd Brock Venom recently, did he not?

Originally posted by Soljer
Agreed. The symbiotes would still be VERY difficult opponents for Spiderman.

But he even WTFPWN'd Brock Venom recently, did he not? Spiderman should never punk Venom ever.

Anyways yeah some of his Villains are still ridiculously dangerous still. Like the Rhino or Sandman or Green Goblin those three will always be or should always be a problem for Spidey.

Yeah though a few getting upgraded though wouldn't be to bad an idea. I wouldn't mind seeing Shocker get upgraded.

Originally posted by Newjak


he was. Like every other one of his villains that's been upgraded over the years it was quickly forgotten about as soon as a new writer took over.

I think Morlun is his best villain and i think that the original Morlun arc was awesome but the most recent fight in The Other could have been a lot better. The fight itself was decent and Spidey smashed him with an SUV, but still wasn't the same as the original.

Originally posted by Soljer
Agreed. The symbiotes would still be VERY difficult opponents for Spiderman.

But he even WTFPWN'd Brock Venom recently, did he not?

I think it was Gargan, who IMO sucks as Venom.
Eddie Brock is still TOO much for Spider, even after upgrades.

Upgrade for Rhino!

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Upgrade for Rhino!

LOL Yeah. Givving him brains would be a nice upgrade.

Doc Ock, Electro, Hydro-Man, Trapster, Mysterio, Scorpion, Vulture, the Goblins and many, many, others have all had various upgrades over the years ... either in weaponry or power.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Doc Ock, Electro, Hydro-Man, Trapster, Mysterio, Scorpion, Vulture, the Goblins and many, many, others have all had various upgrades over the years ... either in weaponry or power.

Agreed. But they haven't had enough, apparently - Spiderman is still stomping on pretty much all of them without trouble more recently. I mean, in their first appearances they gave him hell.

But now, most of the people you named seem like mere nuisances.

Originally posted by Soljer
Agreed. But they haven't had enough, apparently - Spiderman is still stomping on pretty much all of them without trouble more recently. I mean, in their first appearances they gave him hell.

But now, most of the people you named seem like mere nuisances.

He's fought all them since his upgrade?

I knew he fought Mysterio, but the other ones...

Originally posted by Soljer
Agreed. But they haven't had enough, apparently - Spiderman is still stomping on pretty much all of them without trouble more recently. I mean, in their first appearances they gave him hell.

But now, most of the people you named seem like mere nuisances.

It's not that they haven't had enough. It's just that new writers forget about those upgrades as soon as they take over and marvel editors don't bother to correct them when it happens.

Originally posted by Black Adam
It's not that they haven't had enough. It's just that new writers forget about those upgrades as soon as they take over and marvel editors don't bother to correct them when it happens.

Yea he fought Vulture in Friendly, took Ock out with a punch in Sensational. He's been through a few.

Rhino really messed him up in Sensational though. Personally I don't think much of his villians need a power upgrade. Just give them more depth and let them grow from there

Newer villians IMO would show more growth rather than just giving the old ones more power, be a lil' creative Marvel.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Newer villians IMO would show more growth rather than just giving the old ones more power, be a lil' creative Marvel.

But Spider-Man has tons of rogues that can be used that don't have to fade into obsurity. He has a lot of villians that haven't been used since the 80's that can be updated, etc.

Meh. It would be better if a writer just wrote a couple of the villains' to their potential. Venom, Sand/Hydro Man, Green Goblin, etc.

PS: Did anybody else think Soljer was talking about something different when they read the thread title?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Meh. It would be better if a writer just wrote a couple of the villains' to their potential. Venom, Sand/Hydro Man, Green Goblin, etc.

True.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
PS: Did anybody else think Soljer was talking about something different when they read the thread title?

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I don't think upgrades are needed as such, because they are always forgotten (as already stated) as soon as they are given to the villains anyways. I think Marvel really needs to start making new villains, because with Civil War and their attempt to make most villains almost "anti-hero"-ish there is quite a lack of actual villains.

The ones that are still around are a bit tired and repetitive, for example Magento has been raped to death to be honest with the Xorn thing etc. So they really need to get out there and start creating more antagonists for their stories, a writer who is very good at this is Dan Slott (which is why I'm DEFINETLY picking up Avengers: The Intiative). Many writers lack either the knowledge of continuity or just the effort of picking up some of the many villains that Marvel let slide into obscurity.

My 2 cents, probably worth ahellavalot less though.

In Spider-Man Reighn, Spidey was getting owned by the villains

Especially Venom at the end

For me its not about upgrades, I just want to see Spidey fighting his old villains like the good old days

Seriously, when's the last time we saw Spidey fight Doc Ock or Scorpion?

Doc Ock? Well.. a few issues ago, when Octavius attacked Peter's school and he defeated him in his civvies infront of his pupils.

Scorpion? Not sure, I heard he PWNED Gargan with the symbiote not too long ago though.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Doc Ock? Well.. a few issues ago, when Octavius attacked Peter's school and he defeated him in his civvies infront of his pupils.

Scorpion? Not sure, I heard he PWNED Gargan with the symbiote not too long ago though.

Well Gargan is the scorpion

and that Doc Ock thing was garbage

Originally posted by Grimm22
Well Gargan is the scorpion

and that Doc Ock thing was garbage

I'm not sure when Pete last fought Gargan AS the scorpion, but that's the last time the two fought.

Yeah, it was just to show how Pete revealing his secret identity effected his life. As if Aunt May getting shot wouldn't do that enough

Originally posted by Grimm22
In Spider-Man Reighn, Spidey was getting owned by the villains

Especially Venom at the end Spidey was like in his 40s-50s

Originally posted by marvelprince
But Spider-Man has tons of rogues that can be used that don't have to fade into obsurity. He has a lot of villians that haven't been used since the 80's that can be updated, etc. That's true, but I wouldn't mind a new one every once and awhile. I love the old Spiderman comics and cartoons, but I also like good deep writing and some of the characters presented in related series (like the Toxin series). The guy with no arms, that was a great story how he had the lost kids serving him.

Originally posted by Black Adam
and his villains are even older. he still wtfpwnd them when it was one on one tho....except Venom but that's acceptable

After seeing Shocker in The New Avengers, I'm sure he'd be able to give Spidey trouble.

Originally posted by What If...
After seeing Shocker in The New Avengers, I'm sure he'd be able to give Spidey trouble.

When was Shocker in New Avengers?

Sure you don't mean Electro?

Sorry. I totally don't know what I just said.

What we need is that now Brock is gonna be Venom again, but Macgargan should go back to being scorpion but because of his time with the symbiote he is a like a powered up version and should pwn spidey a couple of times

Originally posted by H. S. 6
He's fought all them since his upgrade?

I knew he fought Mysterio, but the other ones...

I don't mean JUST the upgrades.

But look at how Spidey fared against the Green Goblin the first few times he hopped on his glider to how Spidey damn near one-shots the guy more recently.

It's not just the upgrades - part of it has to go to experience, or maybe even just bad writing. But fact of the matter is, Spidey's grown. He's grown a LOT since he first got that spider bite. It seems that most of his villains haven't kept up - and that makes for a boring read.

Spidey's upgrade couldn't have come at a better time. This being that his identity is revealed and he is gonna need every one of his abilities to defend himself.

Originally posted by Grimm22
that Doc Ock thing was garbage

Why?

Originally posted by Scoobless
Why?

Grimm hates everything. He's funny like that.

Spidey has been upgraded. Great!

Let's show him how little a difference that will make by allowing him to fight the Sinister Six again.

Last time the Sinister Six pwned him bad.

...yeah, it's not like he's insanely more uber or something.

Besides, Pete outgrew half his rogues gallery years ago, even pre-upgrades. Green Goblin, for example, one of his most iconic villians, hasn't been an actual threat to Pete in a fight since the 70's. He's just a threat to Pete's loved ones and life.

So it's refreshing....he really hasn't had many of his "classic" rogues for a while, and it's high time he ditched a few of them.

Originally posted by Black Adam
Grimm hates everything. He's funny like that.

2guns Jumpy

No, I just hated how he had to get saved by those kids

Originally posted by willRules
What we need is that now Brock is gonna be Venom again, but Macgargan should go back to being scorpion but because of his time with the symbiote he is a like a powered up version and should pwn spidey a couple of times

Scorpion should be pwning Spidey anyway

He's got most of spidey's powers, plus that tail

Originally posted by Grimm22
Scorpion should be pwning Spidey anyway

He's got most of spidey's powers, plus that tail



You mean, minus webs and spider-sense, right? And now, persumably, a bit lower in strength. The SS is really a difference maker, because with it he's consistently faster than most of his rogues. Scorpion's a prime example of what I'm talking about. He hasn't taken Pete through his paces without a plot device since at least the mid 80's, maybe earlier.

Originally posted by DigiMark007


You mean, minus webs and spider-sense, right? And now, persumably, a bit lower in strength. The SS is really a difference maker, because with it he's consistently faster than most of his rogues. Scorpion's a prime example of what I'm talking about. He hasn't taken Pete through his paces without a plot device since at least the mid 80's, maybe earlier.

Yeah

Still though, I would like to see Scorpion fighting him on a more even playing field

Originally posted by H. S. 6
40s to 50s? He's like, 80 in that book.

nah, it was implied that he was 30 something when what happened to MJ happened....


and that was 20 something years after, so if anything he was in his 60s...


how would JJJ been alive if Pete was in his 80s?

Originally posted by H. S. 6
I got mixed up. I'm thinking of Peter as Jameson.

Jameson was in his 80's, at the very least. yeah...

so pete was in his 40s-50s.....