Would Hitler have ended Religious Conflict?

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Boots
In the ranks of the movement , the most devout Protestant could sit beside the most devout Catholic, without coming into the slightest conflict with his religious convictions. The mighty common struggle which both carried on against the destroyer of Aryan humanity had, on the contrary, taught them mutually to respect and esteem one another.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Symmetric Chaos
If everybody was a Nazi and really believed in it, sure that would work.

However, the exact same thing can be said about socialism, anarchism, feudalism, monarchies etc etc.

Boots
A man does not die for something which he himself does not believe in.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

finti
no

Boots
Originally posted by finti
no

Indeed, nearly all attempts to exterminate a doctrine and its organizational expression, by force without spiritual foundation, are doomed to failure, and not seldom end with the exact opposite of the desired result...

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

TRH
NEWB are you a Nazi

FeceMan
What's your Hitler fetish?

Goddess Kali
wow..... What the f**k?



I would much rather deal with religious conflict than with Hitler... erm

Boots
Originally posted by FeceMan
What's your Hitler fetish?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
wow..... What the f**k?



I would much rather deal with religious conflict than with Hitler... erm


So you don't enjoy wearing leather?

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
wow..... What the f**k?



I would much rather deal with religious conflict than with Hitler... erm

laughing out loud

I never thought I'd here someone in the religion forum ask for more religious/athiest nutcases.

siriuswriter
I would say that Mein Kampf probably isn't the best resource to be backing up all your arguments with.

And no. Hitler would not have ended religious conflict. Unless you count killing everyone off who doesn't have the same religion as you "ending religious conflict."

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by siriuswriter
Unless you count killing everyone off who doesn't have the same religion as you "ending religious conflict."

That is an end to religious conflict.

siriuswriter
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That is an end to religious conflict.

... and then there was one.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by siriuswriter
... and then there was one.

*kills sirius*

. . . and then there were none

siriuswriter
Hmmmm. Yes. That sounds about right, about how that ending to religious conflict would go.

Oops. Supposed to be dead.

*shuts up*

Symmetric Chaos
I guess this brings up the question of if there would be religious persecution in heaven.

Goddess Kali
Originally posted by Boots
So you don't enjoy wearing leather?


Oh No, I do....I just don't like Hitler

Symmetric Chaos
laughing Profiled

siriuswriter
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Oh No, I do....I just don't like Hitler

laughing

Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by finti
no

Boots
Originally posted by siriuswriter
Hitler would not have ended religious conflict. Unless you count killing everyone off who doesn't have the same religion as you "ending religious conflict."

It would have been a final solution.

Symmetric Chaos
Talk about bad jokes . . .

Eis
Would the Nazi government have attempted to erase all religions had it have won the second world war? Unlikely, even more unlikely would it be that they would succeed in doing so. What's the point of the thread again?

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Eis
What's the point of the thread again?

To demonstrate that the Religion section has a new nutcase.

Boots
Originally posted by Eis
Would the Nazi government have attempted to erase all religions had it have won the second world war?

Very unlikely that he would have attempted to erase all religions as he believed in God, Hitlers doctrine was only specific against certain religions. What was the point of your post?

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

Future generations should remember that Adolph Hitler could not have come into power without the support of the Protestant and Catholic churches and the German Christian populace.

I wonder how had he won the war he would or wouldn't have integrated Islam into the Reich?

Eis
As long as there exists religion in the world, there will be skeptics, conflict is really not that far following that trail of thought. Unless of course you believe Hitler would be able to convert every human being. Which is absurd. So, no, religious conflic is not something Hitler could have ended.

Boots
Originally posted by Eis
As long as there exists religion in the world, there will be skeptics, conflict is really not that far following that trail of thought. Unless of course you believe Hitler would be able to convert every human being. Which is absurd. So, no, religious conflic is not something Hitler could have ended.


Who knows?

The great masses of people do not consist of philosophers; precisely for the masses, faith is often the sole foundation of a moral attitude. The various substitutes have not proved so successful from the standpoint of results that they could be regarded as a useful replacement for previous religious creeds. But if religious doctrine and faith are really to embrace the broad masses, the unconditional authority of the content of this faith is the foundation of all efficacy.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Eis
Fortunately we won't know and even so, to think that in Hitler's lifetime the Nazi government could have achieved a Nazi-Poster family, homogeneous society is ludicrous. Again the answer to the fundamental question in this thread is no.

Boots
Originally posted by Eis
Fortunately we won't know and even so, to think that in Hitler's lifetime the Nazi government could have achieved a Nazi-Poster family, homogeneous society is ludicrous. Again the answer to the fundamental question in this thread is no.

How do you know if it is ludicrous, the wheat may need to be seperated from the chaff fo the bread to be good.

Nellinator
I find it amusing that this guy thinks that Hitler was right when he wrote stuff. To bad he was wrong about most of it. His commentaries have some points that are true, but he misses the mark on the significance of things.

Alliance
He's kind of like Lenin. If you take the points one at a time...they seem fine...when you look at the whole, they all contradict eachother.

...its also really funny that I'm listening to "as those caissons go rolling along" as I'm writing this....

...it makes me feel strange...

Boots
Originally posted by Nellinator
I find it amusing that this guy thinks that Hitler was right when he wrote stuff. To bad he was wrong about most of it. His commentaries have some points that are true, but he misses the mark on the significance of things.

Das kommt darauf an!


Originally posted by Alliance
He's kind of like Lenin. If you take the points one at a time...they seem fine...when you look at the whole, they all contradict eachother.

...its also really funny that I'm listening to "as those caissons go rolling along" as I'm writing this....

...it makes me feel strange...

Das glaube ich nicht!

Robtard
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
To demonstrate that the Religion section has a new nutcase.

Same nutcase ; new sock... Sock.

Eis
Originally posted by Boots
Das kommt darauf an!




Das glaube ich nicht!
Wow! He speaks German too! Die sock.

Boots

Boots
Originally posted by Eis
Wow! He speaks German too! Die sock.

Das geht dich einen feuchten Dreck an!

Regret

Boots
Originally posted by Regret
Words should be moderated regardless of language used, don't be vulgar.

wink

Robtard
Originally posted by Eis
Wow! He speaks German too! Die sock.

Not necessarily... Just use one of the many online translation sites...

e.g.: http://www.freetranslation.com/

Boots

Robtard

Nellinator
At least I'm getting practice reading German, I haven't done that in more than ten years. I can hardly understand it anymore sad

Robtard
Originally posted by Nellinator
At least I'm getting practice reading German, I haven't done that in more than ten years. I can hardly understand it anymore sad


Great philosophy... Always see 'good' in 'bad'.

lil bitchiness
Originally posted by siriuswriter
I would say that Mein Kampf probably isn't the best resource to be backing up all your arguments with.

And no. Hitler would not have ended religious conflict. Unless you count killing everyone off who doesn't have the same religion as you "ending religious conflict."

Looking at the Mein Kampf is THE BEST source of information if you're asking a question -
''Would Hitler have ended religious conflict''.

Nellinator
Originally posted by Robtard
Great philosophy... Always see 'good' in 'bad'.
Not always though imo. Sometimes seeing the good blinds you to the bad.

Regret
Originally posted by Nellinator
Not always though imo. Sometimes seeing the good blinds you to the bad. Unless such impacts your behavior negatively, such is a proper behavior. Turn the other cheek and all wink

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by Boots
In the ranks of the movement , the most devout Protestant could sit beside the most devout Catholic, without coming into the slightest conflict with his religious convictions. The mighty common struggle which both carried on against the destroyer of Aryan humanity had, on the contrary, taught them mutually to respect and esteem one another.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

To me, Hitler's Thule Occultism would eventually lead into conflict with the Church.

meep-meep
Originally posted by Boots
Future generations should remember that Adolph Hitler could not have come into power without the support of the Protestant and Catholic churches and the German Christian populace.

I wonder how had he won the war he would or wouldn't have integrated Islam into the Reich?

If Germany had won the war and made their South to Latin America (which is overwhelmingly Catholic) I, for some reason, don't think their commonality of religious views would have stopped Germany from from trying to systematically exterminate the brown people there.

And, considering that many people who practice Islamic faith don't have blond hair, blue eyes, or a pale complexion, my guess is no, probably not.

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by meep-meep
If Germany had won the war and made their South to Latin America (which is overwhelmingly Catholic) I, for some reason, don't think their commonality of religious views would have stopped Germany from from trying to systematically exterminate the brown people there.

And, considering that many people who practice Islamic faith don't have blond hair, blue eyes, or a pale complexion, my guess is no, probably not.

Well thats not religious conflict, thats racial conflict.

chithappens
Every civilization of this world has fallen at some point, and I don't think it was because the bread was getting hard.

Jim Reaper
Originally posted by Boots
A man does not die for something which he himself does not believe in.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Every German that fought and died in WW2 beleived in the Nazi party?

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by Jim Reaper
Every German that fought and died in WW2 beleived in the Nazi party?

Oops did Hitler slip up? No, I don't thonl those German soldiers DIED for National Socialism, they died for Germany. Did some have doubts? Yes, on topic? No.

Jim Reaper
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Oops did Hitler slip up? No, I don't thonl those German soldiers DIED for National Socialism, they died for Germany. Did some have doubts? Yes, on topic? No.


They died for Germany?
I'd say he slipped... Have you read any of "My Struggle?"
Sure, Hitler would have ended religious strife... We'd all be Protestants.

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by Jim Reaper
They died for Germany?
I'd say he slipped... Have you read any of "My Struggle?"
Sure, Hitler would have ended religious strife... We'd all be Protestants.

I've pulled myself through the text several times yes.

The big EH
Originally posted by Boots
In the ranks of the movement , the most devout Protestant could sit beside the most devout Catholic, without coming into the slightest conflict with his religious convictions. The mighty common struggle which both carried on against the destroyer of Aryan humanity had, on the contrary, taught them mutually to respect and esteem one another.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) NOW THATS LOOKING ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF THINGS, but yes he probally would have, but not so much a good way on how he did it, genocide is very bad, worst crime ever

Grand_Moff_Gav
That quote is a complete lie anyway, Goebbels, Goering, Bormann and Himmler were constantly at each others throats!

Alliance
Which makes Hitlers ideology and personality seem that much more powerful.

Grand_Moff_Gav
Didn't Hitler say that the corruption and greed of his underlings was the one factor that allowed to him to maintain power over them?

Czarina_Czarina
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
To me, Hitler's Thule Occultism would eventually lead into conflict with the Church.

Ops, I had thought that they eventually became opponents of one another and that was ONE of the many groups (Catholic and Masons and other occult groups) that brought Hitler down (he wasn't dying of Parkinson's for the heck of it, that disease is explicitly targeting the melanin in the brain, how ironic indeed), the arguments were dynamic and so were their opponents, having allies in one decade and enemies in the next. It wasn't really as uniformed, the way I imagine it.

Capt_Fantastic
There was only one god in the Nazi movement, and that was Hitler.

Jim Reaper
Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
(he wasn't dying of Parkinson's for the heck of it, that disease is explicitly targeting the melanin in the brain, how ironic indeed)

Don't forget syphilis... Hmmm, Mussolini had syphilis as well.

Czarina_Czarina
Originally posted by Jim Reaper
Don't forget syphilis... Hmmm, Mussolini had syphilis as well.

yeah, i wonder how that sneaked in on those two men (not that i am their advocate)...warfare is sometimes physical, mental (psychic) via energy, chemical, weather and biological (the use of microbes on their enemies)... (i know this sounds silly, but watch the movie 300 and really see what they are stating about the kind of technology they used on their opponents, it wasn't always sticks, bows and arrows, plus, you can read references to Sumer and learn what they knew)...besides, biological warfare has been going on since the plagues of Europe and Egypt, it all depends on who is holding the knowledge, but that kind of knowledge has been around since Babylon (Sumer), and then to Egypt, and so on, and so on...

Jim Reaper
Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
yeah, i wonder how that sneaked in on those two men (not that i am their advocate)...warfare is sometimes physical, mental (psychic) via energy, chemical, weather and biological (the use of microbes on their enemies)... (i know this sounds silly, but watch the movie 300 and really see what they are stating about the kind of technology they used on their opponents, it wasn't always sticks, bows and arrows, plus, you can read references to Sumer and learn what they knew)...besides, biological warfare has been going on since the plagues of Europe and Egypt, it all depends on who is holding the knowledge, but that kind of knowledge has been around since Babylon (Sumer), and then to Egypt, and so on, and so on...

Easy... It's called a brothel.

Czarina_Czarina
Originally posted by Jim Reaper
Easy... It's called a brothel.

a brothel of STDs....

ragesRemorse
hitler would have just started his own religion. He probably would have brought back the Greek Gods. that may actually be cool.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
hitler would have just started his own religion. He probably would have brought back the Greek Gods. that may actually be cool.


But Hitler was a Roman Catholic.

ragesRemorse
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But Hitler was a Roman Catholic.

He was also a nutty bastard that put to much stock into the occult. Believing his people were descendants from the atlatian aryan era is almost as outlandish as worshiping greek gods, and not to unsimilar. However, his belief in this gave the German people great focus in becomming unified as a people and soldiers

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
He was also a nutty bastard that put to much stock into the occult. Believing his people were descendants from the atlatian aryan era is almost as outlandish as worshiping greek gods, and not to unsimilar. However, his belief in this gave the German people great focus in becomming unified as a people and soldiers

He didn't believe in any of that stuff. I saw a documentary on Hitler, and they showed home movies of Hitler openly ridiculing his generals who believed in the occult.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
hitler would have just started his own religion. He probably would have brought back the Greek Gods. that may actually be cool.

That would certainly be an odd choice.

ragesRemorse
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
He didn't believe in any of that stuff. I saw a documentary on Hitler, and they showed home movies of Hitler openly ridiculing his generals who believed in the occult.

So your trying to tell me that he diddnt believe that the German people were descdants from the atlantian aryan era, and their blood was polutted when the jews started mating with them, diluting the "pure race" ?

Considering all of the funding that went to the archeological occult ventures before and during the heart of the war. It would appear as though he obviously gave some kind of creedance to finding some kind of supernatural edge for his military machine.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
So your trying to tell me that he diddnt believe that the German people were descdants from the atlantian aryan era, and their blood was polutted when the jews started mating with them, diluting the "pure race" ?

Considering all of the funding that went to the archeological occult ventures before and during the heart of the war. It would appear as though he obviously gave some kind of creedance to finding some kind of supernatural edge for his military machine.

I don't know everything about Hitler, just what I saw on that program, and what I've read. Perhaps he saw all of that as a means to an end with him in control of the world.

FeceMan
Re: "Would Hitler Have Ended Religious Conflict?"

Yes, but not in a good way.

ragesRemorse
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't know everything about Hitler, just what I saw on that program, and what I've read. Perhaps he saw all of that as a means to an end with him in control of the world.

yeah, im not really sure what hitler wanted. I think it depended on how high he was on any given day. stick out tongue

The big EH
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
There was only one god in the Nazi movement, and that was Hitler. hitler wasn't considered a god, their god was the God, they were basically christian fanatics, not all germans were even bad, did you know that not even all of the milatary knew about concentration camps, well they didn't know what was going on in it, no civilians knew what was going on in the camps, they just thought it was a prison area, and this is partial why i hate religion, it drives people to do this, mosterious things like genocide, only one crime is worse than genocide, and it doesn't exist yet (xenocide: total exstintion of an alien sentient race) (genocide: total anilation of race/culture)

Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by The big EH
hitler wasn't considered a god, their god was the God, they were basically christian fanatics, not all germans were even bad, did you know that not even all of the milatary knew about concentration camps, well they didn't know what was going on in it, no civilians knew what was going on in the camps, they just thought it was a prison area, and this is partial why i hate religion, it drives people to do this, mosterious things like genocide, only one crime is worse than genocide, and it doesn't exist yet (xenocide: total exstintion of an alien sentient race) (genocide: total anilation of race/culture)

You miss the subtle reality and historical truth of my post.

The big EH
you miss the actual truth, pretty f#cked up what went down in those camps, i was unlucky enough to visit one when i was in germany two years ago, they turned one of the biggest camps into a museum to teach people about the halocost and what happenned, taught me alot, pissed me off alot, but i'm kinda glad i know the truth, still wish i could have been alive back then to kill hitler

Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by The big EH
you miss the actual truth, pretty f#cked up what went down in those camps, i was unlucky enough to visit one when i was in germany two years ago, they turned one of the biggest camps into a museum to teach people about the halocost and what happenned, taught me alot, pissed me off alot, but i'm kinda glad i know the truth, still wish i could have been alive back then to kill hitler

And your point is?

The big EH
i want to kill hitler blink but that damn bastard beat me to it :angry:

ragesRemorse
Originally posted by The big EH
not all germans were even bad, did you know that not even all of the milatary knew about concentration camps, well they didn't know what was going on in it, no civilians knew what was going on in the camps, they just thought it was a prison area, and this is partial why i hate religion, it drives people to do this, mosterious things like genocide, only one crime is worse than genocide, and it doesn't exist yet (xenocide: total exstintion of an alien sentient race) (genocide: total anilation of race/culture)

I highly doubt that the German people were oblivious to what took place in the concentration camps. Especially the german citizens whom lived near some of the concentration camps. not saying that makes them a bad people. Any society can be brainwashed into believing in something.

I would have to say that collective view towards the jewish people held by the Germans had very little if nothing to do with religion. It was more about pride than anything.

Genocide occured before religion, and would occur without. religous or not there is a such thing as the duality of man. relgion only surpresses or magnifies this. The indifference in man is more deadly than any negative influence religion will ever inspire.

Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
I highly doubt that the German people were oblivious to what took place

Of course they were not. Don't be fooled by modern propoganda and political confussion, they knew what was going on. It's not often that a modern human being wonders "where did this "snow fall"/how did "human remains end up on my house/car/red rider wagon?" You can't explain away human remains falling from the skies. But, the point is: Does that mean they're all to blame?

Czarina_Czarina
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
He was also a nutty bastard that put to much stock into the occult. Believing his people were descendants from the atlatian aryan era is almost as outlandish as worshiping greek gods, and not to unsimilar. However, his belief in this gave the German people great focus in becomming unified as a people and soldiers

are you serious? the intellectuals of science and math were into the dark occult back then, it was normal..he was a man of his time, just like it's normal for us to be on the internet in this decade, it was normal for them to study the dark (hidden) occult, and regarding Atlantis, we, all of us in the USA are here b/c of this quest for Atlantis (garden of Edan, ponce de leon's quest for eternal youth...they knew of Atlantis but were trying to find it), actually, they thought it was in the EAST, and Columbus (or whatever his real name was) was on his way but used a black-a-moor for the route, apparently the moors knew of this Atlantis, but he directed Columbus the wrong way, leading him to the Americas (the moors were sea people too, so they were very good at celestial navigation).

Czarina_Czarina
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Of course they were not. Don't be fooled by modern propoganda and political confussion, they knew what was going on. It's not often that a modern human being wonders "where did this "snow fall"/how did "human remains end up on my house/car/red rider wagon?" You can't explain away human remains falling from the skies. But, the point is: Does that mean they're all to blame?


of course they aren't all to blame. i find it ironic that german women offer themselves to black men more then any other european women, not sure if that's their "punishment" and the women are just going along with it in order to appease the bad history...but i find it very ironic.

do research on the rosicurians (german for "rose cross" i think), and if u do a lot of research on the occult, you may be able to draw some parallels on why this is so "ironic" and discover the games being played.

Capt_Fantastic
Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
i find it ironic that german women offer themselves to black men more then any other european women

WTF are you on about?

Czarina_Czarina
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
WTF are you on about?

it's a world wide rumor, haven't u heard? german women tend to go for black men, esp. military ones, never heard of this from any other europeans, but i've heard this a lot about german women and black men...and i find it ironic.

ragesRemorse
Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
are you serious? the intellectuals of science and math were into the dark occult back then, it was normal..he was a man of his time, just like it's normal for us to be on the internet in this decade, it was normal for them to study the dark (hidden) occult, and regarding Atlantis, we, all of us in the USA are here b/c of this quest for Atlantis (garden of Edan, ponce de leon's quest for eternal youth...they knew of Atlantis but were trying to find it), actually, they thought it was in the EAST, and Columbus (or whatever his real name was) was on his way but used a black-a-moor for the route, apparently the moors knew of this Atlantis, but he directed Columbus the wrong way, leading him to the Americas (the moors were sea people too, so they were very good at celestial navigation).

I wasnt trying to catagorize people whom research and study the occult as being nutty bastards. Hitler had a knack however, at exploiting some of the occult theory's into ploy over his people. Yeah, Wasnt it in Nepal that hienrich himmler believed the Atlantian descandants migrated to. I diddnt think they thought Atlantis was located there, but where the people had moved to. Very interesting stuff none the less. also, just because something is widely accepted and respected at the time doesnt mean it is absurd. Most of himmlers archelogical findings are just that...absurd. Maybe if the Germans focused less on finding unknown powers from the occult and more on military tactics, they would have won.

As for Columbus, I diddnt know that. I thought he was soley responsible for the blunder disovery that became America, because he was trying to find a new trade route to avoid the middle East

Czarina_Czarina
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
I wasnt trying to catagorize people whom research and study the occult as being nutty bastards. Hitler had a knack however, at exploiting some of the occult theory's into ploy over his people. Yeah, Wasnt it in Nepal that hienrich himmler believed the Atlantian descandants migrated to. I diddnt think they thought Atlantis was located there, but where the people had moved to. Very interesting stuff none the less. also, just because something is widely accepted and respected at the time doesnt mean it is absurd. Most of himmlers archelogical findings are just that...absurd. Maybe if the Germans focused less on finding unknown powers from the occult and more on military tactics, they would have won.

As for Columbus, I diddnt know that. I thought he was soley responsible for the blunder disovery that became America, because he was trying to find a new trade route to avoid the middle East

they weren't crazy (although i know very little about himmler...probably into Phrenology and Physiognomy), the only thing that was crazy was putting people in ovens, if they wanted jews out, they should have done what most of the other countries did and just ask them to leave, not gas them, but that's my opinion.

himmler felt that they came from the mountains as there is a strong connection b/c mountain people and the occult, in most islands, the ones living in the mountains seem to be strange, of course, but also having strong occult powers, and ask anyone who is opened minded about the occult and who lives in a island (most islands have mountains) and ask them about the demographics and who lives in the valley/mountains...see how they respond to the ones who live up in or around the mountains. in the west, we don't give them much respect, but other cultures seem to attribute some sort of power or occult with mountain people.

Czarina_Czarina
Originally posted by ragesRemorse


As for Columbus, I diddnt know that. I thought he was soley responsible for the blunder disovery that became America, because he was trying to find a new trade route to avoid the middle East

he was trying to avoid the middle east b/c the Arabs were charging ridiculous tax to use the water, and if they didn't pay, would pirate the ships, Thomas Jefferson's marines took care of that, and Europe started developing respect for America afterwards, b/c they were able to use the waters without worry about over taxing the water ways or pirates (Tipoli, Arab/moor/Spanish).

and Columbus did have a moor with him, and i did read that he was his naval assistant (and back then, a naval assistant would have been someone who could navigate by the stars, celestial navigation), since moors were already well developed in astrology, geometry, and sea travelers, it was nothing, but don't forget why he could have been motivated to give wrong directions, the moors were kicked out of Spain, so more then likely, he lost some of his friends and family, and was kept for his intelligence...i suspect they kicked out the regular people, but kept the moors and Jews who were specialized or had a well developed profession.

Grand_Moff_Gav
Europe does not now, nor will it ever respect the USA...too arrogant and proud.

Czarina_Czarina
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Europe does not now, nor will it ever respect the USA...too arrogant and proud.

There are good reasons to respect America, arrogance isn't an attractive trait, but we have good reasons to be proud. Europe has it's good aspects to respect and to be proud about, Americans hold a lot of respect for Europe as well. We are sister cultures now, but Britain was once the mother country. America has done a lot of good for Europe, no need to be jealous or upset about it.

Grand_Moff_Gav
It is irrelevant, Europe will always reject America. I'm sorry, that is just how it is.

Czarina_Czarina
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
It is irrelevant, Europe will always reject America. I'm sorry, that is just how it is.

now look who's proud and arrogant?

Grand_Moff_Gav
Your misreading me and it is very annoing. I've never said I rejected America, I said Europe does, it always will...I myself have no opinion on America, its on the way down. China next.

Czarina_Czarina
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Your misreading me and it is very annoing. I've never said I rejected America, I said Europe does, it always will...I myself have no opinion on America, its on the way down. China next.

how presumptuous, i wasn't talking about you as an individual. and so what if Europe looks down on us, that's just fuel to make us work harder.

why do you glorify the destruction of something, sort of a niggerish outlook.

Grand_Moff_Gav
America wont be destroyed, it will simply grow up.

niggerish?

Czarina_Czarina
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
America wont be destroyed, it will simply grow up.

niggerish?

yeah, wanting to see something destroyed like that, it sounds niggerish, but based on what you said about growing up, it doesn't sound niggerish anymore.

Grand_Moff_Gav
I think America is a maturing nation, it is still very young after all. However, it has accomplished much in a short space of time.

Devil King
Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
yeah, wanting to see something destroyed like that, it sounds niggerish, but based on what you said about growing up, it doesn't sound niggerish anymore.

You need to stop casually throwing around that word.

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by Devil King
You need to stop casually throwing around that word.

Thats what I thought, is that racist? Does she mean black people?

Devil King
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Thats what I thought, is that racist? Does she mean black people?

I'm sure she would say it is not. But the fact of the matter remains. It is. It's racist and more importantly, it's in poor taste.

Grand_Moff_Gav
...Are you homosexual?

Devil King
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
...Are you homosexual?

I am

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by Devil King
I am

Then I would be a terrible Christian...that doesn't make me hate you. Still, Muslimscholar and JIA can judge you.

Devil King
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Then I would be a terrible Christian...that doesn't make me hate you. Still, Muslimscholar and JIA can judge you.

On the contrary. Not hating me for that would make you an excellent christian. It's JIA that is the bad example of christianity.

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by Devil King
On the contrary. Not hating me for that would make you an excellent christian. It's JIA that is the bad example of christianity.

laughing out loud

Well, Jesus was fairly clear on homosexuals.



And of course,

Devil King
I always thought that was kind of like saying "I'll like you if you like me back first".




repeatedly.

BackFire
Yes he would have, by killing everyone.

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by Devil King
I always thought that was kind of like saying "I'll like you if you like me back first".

He means when he goes to Heaven he will be taking us all with him.




Originally posted by Devil King
repeatedly.

confused

I once tried to argue that a Liberal Christan was,by definition, a Christian who put doctrine and tradition before the word of Christ...really, conservatives are liberal...sadly no one bought the idea.

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by BackFire
Yes he would have, by killing everyone.

What?

Devil King
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I once tried to argue that a Liberal Christan was,by definition, a Christian who put doctrine and tradition before the word of Christ...really, conservatives are liberal...sadly no one bought the idea.

It makes sense to me. But, for the typical christian, it's a matter of defining yourself. They formulate their own image based on what they think a christian is and how they should act. It's just too bad they're usually wrong.

Grand_Moff_Gav
If only the read the bible more...

BackFire
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
What?

"Would Hitler have ended Religious Conflict?"

My answer - Yes he would have, by killing everyone.

Devil King
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
If only they read the bible more...

Or less, as the case may be.

Grand_Moff_Gav
Originally posted by BackFire
"Would Hitler have ended Religious Conflict?"

My answer - Yes he would have, by killing everyone.

Ah ofcourse, I see, and very true.

Originally posted by Devil King
Or less, as the case may be.

Either way, if only the understood it!

Jim Reaper
Originally posted by BackFire
"Would Hitler have ended Religious Conflict?"

My answer - Yes he would have, by killing everyone.

That's Gods answer as well, God isn't above committing genocide.

JesusIsAlive

Czarina_Czarina
Originally posted by Jim Reaper
That's Gods answer as well, God isn't above committing genocide.

you know what, it sounds tacky, but in the old testament, there are sections in which an entire tribe was wiped out.

according to some myth, technology was given by aliens such as the ark of the covenant, and this ark had power (like electricity or like a weapon) and was used to scorch their enemy, same with the plagues, these are man made problems given by a few, and they use it when they chose to...i think one myth is that dna manipulation has been going on since the bible, the knowledge of it was among a few and used to create odd creators or human androids...i know it's strange, but what isn't?

ADarksideJedi
Originally posted by Boots
In the ranks of the movement , the most devout Protestant could sit beside the most devout Catholic, without coming into the slightest conflict with his religious convictions. The mighty common struggle which both carried on against the destroyer of Aryan humanity had, on the contrary, taught them mutually to respect and esteem one another.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Hitler said this?Where did you read this?He only thought that his thoughts were right and no one else.He was a catholic as a kid before growing up and came from a good Catholic family he also was an alter boy believe it or not.
I would suggust you guys read th e story of his life it is pretty interesting!jm smile

Devil King
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, a hater and murderer like Hitler could never have done anything good except steal, kill, and destroy like his father the devil.

Holy SHIT! You are f-ing NUTS!!!!

Czarina_Czarina
Originally posted by Devil King
Holy SHIT! You are f-ing NUTS!!!!

no he's not, he's just programmed to think this way, it's perfectly normal in his circle of friends.

Jim Reaper
Originally posted by Devil King
Holy SHIT! You are f-ing NUTS!!!!

laughing out loud

Devil King
Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
no he's not, he's just programmed to think this way, it's perfectly normal in his circle of friends.

At least he didn't call Hitler a n*gger.

TRH
Originally posted by Devil King
At least he didn't call Hitler a n*gger. omg

Grand_Moff_Gav
The good thing with Hitler is we all knew what we were getting, Hindenburg himself knew that making Hitler chancellor would lead to a second Great War.

TRH
not the general german population

FeceMan
Originally posted by FeceMan
Re: "Would Hitler Have Ended Religious Conflict?"

Yes, but not in a good way.

Boots
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
The good thing with Hitler is we all knew what we were getting, Hindenburg himself knew that making Hitler chancellor would lead to a second Great War.

I knew nothing then as I was not born, had I been though I would have agreed.

Devil King
Originally posted by TRH
not the general german population

I simply do not buy that.

Boots
Originally posted by Devil King
I simply do not buy that.

Ja. Das ist wahr! The Fatherland knew!

Goddess Kali
Hitler was ugly....too bad he didn't have blonde hair and blue eyes droolio

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Hitler was ugly....too bad he didn't have blonde hair and blue eyes droolio

He also was part Jewish. wink

Goddess Kali
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
He also was part Jewish. wink



Then he should have atleast came out somewhat sexy...

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