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I've heard that both the Spectre merged with the Source

and

Lucifer & Michael (Merged/together)

both

equal the Presence in power,

if so.

can the 4 take out the 1?


Lucifer' brains and power,

plus the power of Michael, & Spectre merged with the Source, is it enuff?


Debate.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I've heard that both the Spectre merged with the Source

and

Lucifer & Michael (Merged/together)

both

equal the Presence in power,

if so.

can the 4 take out the 1?


Lucifer' brains and power,

plus the power of Michael, & Spectre merged with the Source, is it enuff?


Debate.

IMHO, no

Originally posted by Mr Master
I've heard that both the Spectre merged with the Source

and

Lucifer & Michael (Merged/together)

both

equal the Presence in power,

if so.

can the 4 take out the 1?


Lucifer' brains and power,

plus the power of Michael, & Spectre merged with the Source, is it enuff?


Debate.

Would have expected better from you since so many posters hold you in such high esteem. This is ridiculous they lose there is no plausible way of them beating him. I know there's a new rumour going about that the presence is not the sum total of everything and that there's a higher force but until we are shown those other forces we therefore accept that the presence is number1 and in that case he blinks these guys out of existence.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I've heard that both the Spectre merged with the Source

and

Lucifer & Michael (Merged/together)

both

equal the Presence in power,

if so.

can the 4 take out the 1?


Lucifer' brains and power,

plus the power of Michael, & Spectre merged with the Source, is it enuff?


Debate. Nah.

They are ALL creations of the Presence, and the creations are NOT more powerful then the creator.

Realistically the Presence could just depower all of them.

Originally posted by Supreme being
Would have expected better from you since so many posters hold you in such high esteem. This is ridiculous the lose there is no plausible way of them beating him. I know there's a new rumour going about that the presence is not the sum total of everything and that there's a higher force but until we are shown those other forces we therefore accept that the presence is number1 and in that case he blinks these guys out of existence.


Him ?



Yahweh is not the Presence

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Him ?



Yahweh is not the Presence

well call me bias towards my gender but i tend to view the Supreme being as a guy as i am sure most people do. If your not content with that we can always say it.

Originally posted by Supreme being
Would have expected better from you since so many posters hold you in such high esteem.

They hold me in "high esteem" if such, because of my "expertise" in the Marvel Cosmic department.


My DC knowledge is poor at best, I'm beginning to read Cosmic related stories but I have alot of catching up to do.


Originally posted by Supreme being
This is ridiculous they lose there is no plausible way of them beating him.

It was just a question friend.


Originally posted by Supreme being
I know there's a new rumour going about that the presence is not the sum total of everything and that there's a higher force but until we are shown those other forces we therefore accept that the presence is number1 and in that case he blinks these guys out of existence.

Cool.

I was only wondering since I heard Michael was the power of the Presence personified,

and Spectre and Source are also = to the Presence in power.

That's what I heard from cats that seem to know about DC Cosmics.

Perhaps they were wrong, I don't know, which is why I asked.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nah.

They are ALL creations of the Presence, and the creations are NOT more powerful then the creator.

Realistically the Presence could just depower all of them.

So Michael is not the personified Power of the Presence?

And Lucifer is not the personified Will of Presence?


I thought the Source and Spectre merged were practically the Presence?


Thoughts?

Originally posted by Mr Master
So Michael is not the personified Power of the Presence?

And Lucifer is not the personified Will of Presence?


I thought the Source and Spectre merged were practically the Presence?


Thoughts?
They are all still his creations and manifistations of his power. Nothing has ever come close to the full totality of the presence and nothing ever will. Being practically God is not being practically the presence.

This is more of a philosophical debate than anything. Can God, who is all powerful, create something more powerful or equal to Himself? These open ended kinds of questions lead one to think if Creator beings really do have limits.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So Michael is not the personified Power of the Presence?

And Lucifer is not the personified Will of Presence?


I thought the Source and Spectre merged were practically the Presence?


Thoughts? Yes, Michael and Lucifer are technically God's power/will personified.

But both can only do as much as the Presence allows them to do, in fact Presence has depowered Michael once before.



If the Presence wants it, he could simply "unmake" either of them.

wan't that part with someone beinging above the presence non canon

Originally posted by Utrigita
wan't that part with someone beinging above the presence non canon

I hope so otherwise it becomes a case of WTF.

Originally posted by Utrigita
wan't that part with someone beinging above the presence non canon

Presence is #1 in DC. Nuff saidswank

If I create an aspect of myself, I can still destroy it.


If the Aspect destroys me, then the aspect is destroyed as well.



Presence will wipe the floor with its own creations.

This is my fault, isn't it?

*waves Spectre flag*

Go Wrath.

You can add.
The Voice, the Great Darkness, the Ultimate Light--I doenst matter.
Presence would still win.

It wouldn't.

He can't "beat" the Great Evil Beast.

what would happen if the presence erased/killed the ultimator,because if it dies supposedly everything else perishes with it?

He'd kill the Ultimator and then use his omnipotence to make sure everything didn't perish.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
It wouldn't.

He can't "beat" the Great Evil Beast.
The "Great Evil Beast" is only the dark power of the current Yahweh.
Ultimate Light and Ultimate Darkness (GEB) merged and formed Yahweh.

Presence >> Yahweh.

You've been called on this before ya know.

Yahweh existed before merging with the GEB.

And the Spectre, one aspect of the Presence, merged with the Source, another aspect, wasn't even comparable to the GEB.

So you suggest two aspects of the "higher" omnipotent is weaker than one-half of the "lower" omnipotent?

I have onlye ver heard GEB=Presence. Nothing ever about what you say.

The Presence aka YHWh wins. The Creator will always win.. And no TGEB did not merge with The Presence/Yhwh, so please stop saying that Thanos its annoying.. TGEB returned to Hell while The Creator stayed in Heaven..

Says who?

And I retract this


Was going off incorrect information.