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Because you know it can be done.

I want people to aknowledge Flash can get speed blitzed, lets hear some arguments.

Zoom-uses time manipulation to go fast(i am not an expert) i think he has speedblitz flash

Zoom
Anyone with the TimeGem and PowerGem
Anyone with the SpaceGem and PowerGem
Strange or Fate with time to get a spell ready
Yuki (because she's just that awsome)

A naked Wonder Woman. no force in the multiverse can move when Diana's deadly orbs are unveiled.

Infinite

The Shrike

Originally posted by janus77
A naked Wonder Woman. no force in the multiverse can move when Diana's deadly orbs are unveiled.

That is a way of thinking

Didn't Superboy Prime blitz multiple Flashes?

Flash can sppedblitz flash, example: wally west speedblitzing jay garrick

Bart can speed blitz jay and probably every other flash, zoom can blitz wally and every other flash. I would imagine the runner could, aswell as anyone with the time gem. Superboy prime has and im pretty sure Superman has blitzed wally.

Deathstroke. .

Originally posted by starlock
Zoom-uses time manipulation to go fast(i am not an expert) i think he has speedblitz flash Actually in the latest issue of Flash, Bart and Zoom were fighting so fast, that they were phasing through each other:

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/1694/20ny2.th.jpg


So if Zoom only uses time manipulation, and isn't actually faster then you or I, then this feat should have been impossible right?

Originally posted by Galan007
Actually in the latest issue of Flash, Bart and Zoom were fighting so fast, that they were phasing through each other:

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/1694/20ny2.th.jpg


So if Zoom only uses time manipulation, and isn't actually faster then you or I, then this feat should have been impossible right?

Hey there,i have been collecting the whole new flash series,and i was thinking maybe there is a point where you go so fast that you will vibrate thru things,i know its a stunt they have used in the past,but are they saying there is a point it will happen without their wanting to? i can see it with bart since its new to have all of the speed force inside you,but has zoom been retconned latley?

I know alot about flash,i know a little about Zoom,although i did read the respect threads

Originally posted by Galan007
So if Zoom only uses time manipulation, and isn't actually faster then you or I, then this feat should have been impossible right?
Right.

Originally posted by Soljer
Deathstroke. .

I second that.

Originally posted by starlock
but has zoom been retconned latley? srug

Something must have happened with Zoom's power-set.

At the beginning of the issue, he was in a completely different time line.Originally posted by Validus
Right. That feat is screwy, but whatever.

Yeah, Zoom shouldn't be able to time travel like that either. Either Guggenheim didn't do his homework or Zoom got a retcon.

Originally posted by Validus
Yeah, Zoom shouldn't be able to time travel like that either. Either Guggenheim didn't do his homework or Zoom got a retcon. Or maybe he got a "Boom" Tube from Darkseid?:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/760/15lk4.th.jpg

Originally posted by Bentley
Because you know it can be done.

I want people to aknowledge Flash can get speed blitzed, lets hear some arguments.

makkari

I'm sure people can surprize the flash with Time manipulation, but speed blitz? Wave rider could Surpise flash, but he couldn't speed blitz him. Off Top of my head Glimmer should be able to speed blitz flash.

quicksilver has

Originally posted by xmeat
quicksilver has

No. Quicksilver never speedblitzed the Flash. Quicksilver speed blitzed an ordinary, powerless man.

Given the element of surprise, Northstar might be able to...his rated potential top speed is something like 99.9% of light speed...

Originally posted by shksprtx
Given the element of surprise, Northstar might be able to...his rated potential top speed is something like 99.9% of light speed... You realize that Flash can move much faster then light speed, don't you?

Originally posted by Galan007
You realize that Flash can move much faster then light speed, don't you?

And can do so almost instantaneously.

Originally posted by Soljer
And can do so almost instantaneously.

Originally posted by xmeat
quicksilver has With all due respect, this solidifies your idiocy in my book.

Originally posted by Galan007
You realize that Flash can move much faster then light speed, don't you?

That's why I said, "Given the element of surprise... "

Originally posted by shksprtx
That's why I said, "Given the element of surprise... "



A well written Flash could react to incoming photons in his sleep.

....

Originally posted by shksprtx
That's why I said, "Given the element of surprise... "

I guess if Flash was unconscious and having seizures, then this Northstar you refered to, might be able to get the upper hand on him speed-wise.

Originally posted by Soljer
A well written Flash could react to incoming photons in his sleep.

....

But, see, that implies a biased writer and some CIS on Northstar's part...

Plus, I never said that Northstar could unequivocally speedblitz Flash, I just said that with the element of surprise he might be able to

Don't mean to upset any Flash/DC fanboys, but Northstar is the only non-DC speedster (as in, superspeed is his primary power, not that he just happens to be fast) who IMHO could possibly come close to speedblitzing...

So is northstar with marvel?Because i have never heard of him..and I just am going with this because i know flash well and i think that he cant be speed blitz

Originally posted by Adult Swim Guy
So is northstar with marvel?Because i have never heard of him..and I just am going with this because i know flash well and i think that he cant be speed blitz

Yes, Northstar is with Marvel...

http://www.marveldatabase.com/Northstar_%28Jean-Paul_Beaubier%29

Also: http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Northstar

Valid choices so far-i am not saying definetly but debatable,i am not some high and mighty know it all

Zoom
Makkari
Runner
Superboy prime
Glimmer

OK I still don't get the thing with Zoom's powers.

If I move my hand from point A to point B and to the world around me it seems that the action takes half a second how does it matter that I percieve it taking a full second?

He basicly does count as a speedster even though it's just manipulation of the relative flow of time.

*Cough*

Superboy Prime speedblitzed 3 flashes.

*Blush*

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
OK I still don't get the thing with Zoom's powers.

If I move my hand from point A to point B and to the world around me it seems that the action takes half a second how does it matter that I percieve it taking a full second?

He basicly does count as a speedster even though it's just manipulation of the relative flow of time.

Two words. Comic-book physics. Yeah, it's kinda hard to figure out. But, he can speedblitz Flash.

Makkari and Runner on the other hand, cannot. They are so outclassed in speed it's not even funny.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Two words. Comic-book physics. Yeah, it's kinda hard to figure out. But, he can speedblitz Flash.

I mean that since I believe my statement to be true then I disagree with the argument that others make that Zoom shouldn't be able to replicate what Flash does.

But it's been stated that Zoom doesn't have all the bonuses that make Flash so great. That was Wally's one advantage over Zoom.

The Shrike

Originally posted by Validus
But it's been stated that Zoom doesn't have all the bonuses that make Flash so great. That was Wally's one advantage over Zoom.

Obviously Zoom doesn't have some of Flash's more incredible powers but he should still be able to replicate anything that is done just using speed.

But how when Zoom is technically no faster than you or me?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Obviously Zoom doesn't have some of Flash's more incredible powers but he should still be able to replicate anything that is done just using speed.

Zoom manipulates time to make it seem like he's going incredibly fast.

Originally posted by batdude123
Zoom manipulates time to make it seem like he's going incredibly fast.

But if he actually translates through space at an equivalent speed how is it any different from being fast?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But if he actually translates through space at an equivalent speed how is it any different from being fast?

He doesn't. He has to manipulate time in order to do so.

Originally posted by batdude123
He doesn't. He has to manipulate time in order to do so.

So is he even in actual motion? Is it jumping through time rapidly rather than running?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So is he even in actual motion? Is it jumping through time rapidly rather than running?
That's exactly what he's doing.

Originally posted by Validus
That's exactly what he's doing.

OK

I misunderstood his powers.

Originally posted by id369
The Shrike

From Hyperion?

Yes, it could...

Are we talking about Wally or Bart?

Zoom didn't seem up to the challenge of going rounds with Bart.

Originally posted by shksprtx
From Hyperion?

Yes, it could...

To be fair the Shrike can blitz literally anything below abstract.

Nobody should be able to blitz the walking Speed Force that is Bart Allen. Hell, I'm not seeing anyone but Zoom that can blitz Wally if he's fully aware.

Originally posted by Juntai
Are we talking about Wally or Bart?

Zoom didn't seem up to the challenge of going rounds with Bart. That's only because Bart is the fastest being there is!

Hell, even with A LOT of borrowed speed, Wally still couldn't beat Zoom.


Bart however, seemed to take Zoom out pretty easily.

Originally posted by Galan007
That's only because Bart is the best Flash there is!

Hell, even with A LOT of borrowed speed, Wally still couldn't beat Zoom.


Bart however, seemed to take Zoom out pretty easily. I attribute a lot of what he's done or will be able to do, as Bart's creativeness being vastly over Wally's as well.

Hell, he taught Wally a lot of what he knew. Like vibrating through objects and stuff.

I don't know if any of you recall the Impulse ongoing, where Bart learned to fly by waving his legs real fast.

Originally posted by Juntai
I don't know if any of you recall the Impulse ongoing, where Bart learned to fly by waving his legs real fast. That is so ridiculous it's awesome!

Yeah, Bart has always been the Kyle Rayner of Flashes (Mr. Creativity). Wally is the Hal Jordan (Raw power). I hope they keep writing him like that.

Originally posted by Validus
Yeah, Bart has always been the Kyle Rayner of Flashes (Mr. Creativity). Wally is the Hal Jordan (Raw power). I hope they keep writing him like that.

Except...since Bart IS the speed force, he has LEAGUES of power over Wally, too....

What about the Flash from KC, wasn't he a being of the speedforce too?

Originally posted by Soljer
Except...since Bart IS the speed force, he has LEAGUES of power over Wally, too....
Granted but that isn't the way he's directed his power thus far. Wally's solution for everything was just to push himself to go faster.

Originally posted by Galan007
What about the Flash from KC, wasn't he a being of the speedforce too? He seemed to just be a Flash, but a powerful one, "I have heard the Flash described as a man too fast to be contained by one plane of existance. Apperently, entire strata of reality are open to him."

"So I settled am I in my role as a spirit... that I have forgotten that fact."

But I dunno...

In the back in the rolecall section, it says emanating from the speed force, he may have the spirits of all the Flash's that proceeded him.

Kind of open to interpretation I guess

I was the under the impression that KC Flash was just a Wally who fully embraced his role.

The original Flash

Aurora.
Runner.
Galactus.
Strange with a spell.
Silver Surfer, in a straight line might have the potential.
Wolverine.
Nightcrawler, maybe?

The Silver Surfer.
on panel speed feats would more or less qualify him for the task.

(what's this whole "straight line" caveat about? when has Surfer's speed been anything but 1) instantaneous and 2) when has he been anything but extremely mobile?)

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Aurora.
Runner.
Galactus.
Strange with a spell.
Silver Surfer, in a straight line might have the potential.
Wolverine.
Nightcrawler, maybe?

Runner, Wolverine and Nightcrawler don't have much of a chance.

Are you kidding? Runner would own him

Own the flash?..... and are u telling me that flash has the spirit of all of the other runners? I seen that episode where the jla went back in time and they met wit them did'int they?

Originally posted by janus77
(what's this whole "straight line" caveat about? when has Surfer's speed been anything but 1) instantaneous and 2) when has he been anything but extremely mobile?) IMO, Surfer's greatest flat out speed feat was the IG incident.


From this instance we know SS can move at much greater then light speed, but that was only in a straight line.

You can always move faster in a straight line, then you can when you're zigzagging/fighting an opponent.




Flash on the other hand, can and has achieved much greater then light speed, not just moving in a straight line, but while battling his enemies, or saving the day.


And has Surfer EVER speedblitzed a being as fast as Flash?

nope!

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Aurora.
Runner.
Galactus.
Strange with a spell.
Silver Surfer, in a straight line might have the potential.
Wolverine.
Nightcrawler, maybe?

1) Aurora?

If you're referring to pre-genetic-manipulation Aurora, see the previous comments about Northstar, since their powers were identical before Langowski altered her DNA...

However, post-manipulation Aurora couldn't move nearly as fast (max speed of Mach 1 or so, as opposed to prior max speed of near light...), so the only way she could speedblitz Flash would be to try and stop/slow him with her light photokinesis...

Now, I heard that Aurora and Northstar were recently resurrected and altered by the Hand, and that they've been amped, so in that case she might could do it...but that assumes that Flash doesn't somehow trigger her Jeanne-Marie persona and cause her to spazz out...

2) Runner...not familiar enough to pass judgment.

3) Galactus? Don't know about that one...what are Galactus' speed feats?

4) Strange? Doubtful...unless he were to come up with a spell that shunted the Speedforce from Flash to himself...

5) Surfer...possible, but I have strong doubts...

6) Wolverine????? Not a chance...he's quick, but not nearly quick enough...

7) Nightcrawler...I don't know if he could even 'port close to Flash without Flash immediately running somewhere else...this one could come down to the writing...

Anyone who stops time and

The Runner.

Originally posted by shksprtx
1) Aurora?

If you're referring to pre-genetic-manipulation Aurora, see the previous comments about Northstar, since their powers were identical before Langowski altered her DNA...

However, post-manipulation Aurora couldn't move nearly as fast (max speed of Mach 1 or so, as opposed to prior max speed of near light...), so the only way she could speedblitz Flash would be to try and stop/slow him with her light photokinesis...

Now, I heard that Aurora and Northstar were recently resurrected and altered by the Hand, and that they've been amped, so in that case she might could do it...but that assumes that Flash doesn't somehow trigger her Jeanne-Marie persona and cause her to spazz out...

2) Runner...not familiar enough to pass judgment.

3) Galactus? Don't know about that one...what are Galactus' speed feats?

4) Strange? Doubtful...unless he were to come up with a spell that shunted the Speedforce from Flash to himself...

5) Surfer...possible, but I have strong doubts...

6) Wolverine????? Not a chance...he's quick, but not nearly quick enough...

7) Nightcrawler...I don't know if he could even 'port close to Flash without Flash immediately running somewhere else...this one could come down to the writing...

The runner is one of the fastest beings in comics. He casually speedblitzed Thanos who had the infinity gauntlet. He runs back and forth the universe in a second or two.

Look at powers and abilities here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runner_(comics)

Waverider.

who's the Shriek and Glimmer. Also, who's the faster, the Flash of KC or the new Flash/Bart?

Zoom isn't faster then Flash by a wide enough margin to speedblitz him, per say.

super sonic with all chaos emeralds beats flash

Originally posted by King Kandy
Zoom isn't faster then Flash by a wide enough margin to speedblitz him, per say.

He was compared to Wally but recently he and Bart seemed pretty even.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
He was compared to Wally but recently he and Bart seemed pretty even.
Not really... Wally could perseive Zooms motion.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Not really... Wally could perseive Zooms motion.

But he had to amp a ridicuous amount in order to catch up.

wally and doomsday.

deathstroke never speedblitzed flash. he calculated his movements and used his speed against him. there's a difference.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But he had to amp a ridicuous amount in order to catch up.
Yeah. He had to amp to Match Zooms speed.

You don't need to match someones speed to be non-speedbiltzable.

Who thinks the Runner can blitz Flash?

Originally posted by Bentley
Who thinks the Runner can blitz Flash?

No one. He doesn't have anywhere near the speed or the feats.

Masterbruce. he concentrates his chi in the speed around him and becomes ten times as fast as Flash

Wolverine.

Flash has to work to get to lightspeed level, can the Runner accelerate faster?

Originally posted by Bentley
Flash has to work to get to lightspeed level, can the Runner accelerate faster?

He can literally "run" many times faster-than-light speed under his own power using only his legs. I'm not sure if he has to wait o get to that level or not but meh.

Also, another person who can speed blitz Flash is Makkari. Over a long-running story arc in that series the Eternal Makkari sought a means to achieve a speed to surpass the Runner. Eventually, Makkari ran against the Runner in a race and won, but at the cost of being stuck in super-speed where only other superfast beings like the Runner or beings with power over space and time could interact with him. This is why the Runner never utilizes the method Makkari used since it sacrificed everything for speed.

Neither of those two has anything close to the feats needed to speedblitz Flash.

Originally posted by geshien
deathstroke never speedblitzed flash. he calculated his movements and used his speed against him. there's a difference.
Which is still retarded. Not saying this about you but I hate to see people spin Deathstroke's showing against The Flash. The way Wally sees the world while running, something like Identity Crisis shouldn't ever happen.

Fine, the Surfer then.

Binary maybe able to speedblitz him. She has been clocked faster than the speed of light.

Gladiator was clocked at 100x the speed of light by Reed Richards.

Monica Rambeau (Captain Marvel/Photon) may also be able to speed blitz him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Rambeau

Originally posted by janus77
A naked Wonder Woman. no force in the multiverse can move when Diana's deadly orbs are unveiled.
...which means Powergirl should be that much more effective...w/o even being naked.

Whats the faster speed Supes has clocked?

Bump

the average flash can be blitzed but a top knotch Barry or Bart who are borderline/merging with the speedforce, nothing short of a high end reality warper capable of shutting down speed force/something like space gem/time gem is going to cut it imo. Runner wouldn't be able to compete with a Flashpoint Barry or a Speedforce merged Bart.

Originally posted by Uriel005
the average flash can be blitzed but a top knotch Barry or Bart who are borderline/merging with the speedforce, nothing short of a high end reality warper capable of shutting down speed force/something like space gem/time gem is going to cut it imo. Runner wouldn't be able to compete with a Flashpoint Barry or a Speedforce merged Bart.
You sure about that
Originally posted by abhilegend
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Pre-crisis/00012.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Pre-crisis/00013.jpg

Worldbreaker Hulk

Originally posted by abhilegend
You sure about that Yes.

Iron Fist

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Binary maybe able to speedblitz him. She has been clocked faster than the speed of light.

Gladiator was clocked at 100x the speed of light by Reed Richards.

Monica Rambeau (Captain Marvel/Photon) may also be able to speed blitz him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Rambeau To a top notch flash lightspeed is slow. But I see this isn't going anywhere. Assuming we're having flash moving and thinking as the top notch speedster that he has shown himself to be and ignore thinks like getting wacked by grodd and such nonsense... (Flash would literally feel the blow as it was coming and have time to kiss the fist and walk away...) You would need someone like Runner with a cloaking device to tag him. Or space/time gem. But if your asking Flash and his opponent stand on opposite sides of the field and the goal is to rush the Flash your answer is once again no. Short of using some kind of cosmic/mystical means to negate his speed, you aren't going to speedblitz flash.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Iron Fist

Linda Park.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Iron Fist

gets fisted

Lois Lane, as she has the reflexes and speed to keep up with Doomsday/Superman, apparently.

And as Doomsday had surprised the Flash before...

Silver Surfer, The Runner, Makkari, Zoom, Reverse Flash, Thor hammer, Gladiator, Black Racer

hermes

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Iron Fist Originally posted by JakeTheBank

Originally posted by Mindset


Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Iron Fist

Originally posted by JakeTheBank


Originally posted by Mindset


http://i36.tinypic.com/10p55jt.jpg

Originally posted by the Darkone
Silver Surfer, The Runner, Makkari, Zoom, Reverse Flash, Thor hammer, Gladiator, Black Racer
http://gifsoup.com/view5/2199312/naked-gun-epic-facepalm-o.gif

People that can blitz Flash.

Goku
Vegeta
Picollo
Cell
Kid Buu
Gohan

I saw carver9 and was going to make a joke about his DBZ hilarity but......

.....he made the joke for me.

Runner with gem ?

Originally posted by carver9
People that can blitz Flash.

Goku
Vegeta
Picollo
Cell
Kid Buu
Gohan

You forgot Hercule.

Az 1M

Originally posted by Uriel005
To a top notch flash lightspeed is slow. But I see this isn't going anywhere. Assuming we're having flash moving and thinking as the top notch speedster that he has shown himself to be and ignore thinks like getting wacked by grodd and such nonsense... (Flash would literally feel the blow as it was coming and have time to kiss the fist and walk away...) You would need someone like Runner with a cloaking device to tag him. Or space/time gem. But if your asking Flash and his opponent stand on opposite sides of the field and the goal is to rush the Flash your answer is once again no. Short of using some kind of cosmic/mystical means to negate his speed, you aren't going to speedblitz flash. Or by coming up through the floor?...

Vision?

the foreigner

Originally posted by carver9
People that can blitz Flash.

Goku
Vegeta
Picollo
Cell
Kid Buu
Gohan



http://alexsdbzrpg.com/characters/Burter%203.jpg

He's the fastest in the universe.

Originally posted by Damborgson
http://alexsdbzrpg.com/characters/Burter%203.jpg

He's the fastest in the universe.

Goku proved that claim wrong. He will still blitz Flash though.

Originally posted by carver9
Goku proved that claim wrong. He will still blitz Flash though.

Originally posted by zeel
hermes maybe 20 years ago.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Or by coming up through the floor?...

Vision?

don't think that qualifies as a speed blitz though and what stops him from vibrating through the grip?