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who wins?

By feats. Probably Abraxas.

By potential. Jaspers.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
By feats. Probably Abraxas.

By potential. Jaspers.
agreed

Wouldn't the mere presence of Abraxas in MJJ's Universe, cause it to collapse?

Originally posted by Galan007
Wouldn't Abraxas's mere presence in MJJ's Universe, cause it to collapse?

I think it was what Abaraxas did that disrupted universes.

Originally posted by Galan007
Wouldn't the mere presence of Abraxas in MJJ's Universe, cause it to collapse?

This is true.

The question is,

can MJJ sustain his Universe preventing the collapse?

I would say so.

The UN>Abraxas

MJJ>UN

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I think it was what Abaraxas did that disrupted universes.

Nah, Galan was right, Abraxas does collapse Realities he enters.

It's his purpose as a Concept, the embodiment of destruction.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is true.

The question is,

can MJJ sustain his Universe preventing the collapse?

I would say so.

The UN>Abraxas

MJJ>UN But based on feats,

Do we know if MJJ can generate a force =/> the UN, (which is the force required to defeat Abraxas)?


I know what MJJ had the potential to do, but lets just look at what he actually did if you don't mind.

based purely on what they actually did I will say Abraxas.

Originally posted by Galan007
But based on feats,

Do we know if MJJ can generate a force =/> the UN, (which is the force required to defeat Abraxas)?

I know that his weaker version created the Fury, who wasn't even scathed by the CN erasing the Universe he was in.

On Panel Merlyn said the CN would NOT be able to stop Jaspers.

The official bio states Jaspers 616 and Fury are both immune to Nullification.


Originally posted by Galan007
I know what MJJ had the potential to do, but lets just look at what he actually did if you don't mind.

What did I mention, that he hasn't done if you don't mind?


Jaspers 616 being able to resist the CN is a Canonical Fact.

So what are you getting at?

MJJ was the prime minister of Britain.

Beat that!

Btw.

CN and UN same thing.


They both nullifiy Space and Time.


The UN has been shown Nullifying the Multiverse.

The CN has Nullified Universes

and is stated to be able to erase any Universe in the Omniverse.


Theoretically,

the CN can erase the Omniverse, since the Life-Force Crystals of ALL the Universes in Marvel are in Roma's possession, accessed easily through the CN.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I know that his weaker version created the Fury, who wasn't even scathed by the CN erasing the Universe he was in.

On Panel Merlyn said the CN would NOT be able to stop Jaspers.

The official bio states Jaspers 616 and Fury are both immune to Nullification.Universal nullification, sure.

But Multiversal Nullification?

I never saw any proof that they could have survived a force of that kind of magnitude.


Originally posted by Mr Master
What did I mention, that he hasn't done if you don't mind?


Jaspers 616 being able to resist the CN is a Canonical Fact.

So what are you getting at? I wasn't getting at anything.

In our last debate, Jaspers potential kept being brought up.

And I just wanted to compare each characters actual feats this time.

Originally posted by Galan007
Universal nullification, sure.

But Multiversal Nullification?

I never saw any proof that they could have survived a force of that kind of magnitude.

The thing is brother G,

If Jaspers can survive an attempt at Nullifying his Universe,

why would Nullifying other Universes affect him?

The UN energies can only affect him in the space he inhabits,

so erasing all the Realities outside his, would be for not.


This is why I said before, Nullification is Nullification.

Just different ranges of influence.


Originally posted by Galan007
I wasn't getting at anything.

In our last debate, Jaspers potential kept being brought up.

And I just wanted to compare each characters actual feats this time.

Cool.

I won't get into his Omniversal potetntial, although he did sunder everything in a Future Cobweb saw where he wasn't stopped.

But that's another topic.

? Mr. Master where would Roma, Merlin be in the hierarchy of the MU.
If this MJJ fuse with fury it could get very ugly.

Originally posted by the Darkone
? Mr. Master where would Roma, Merlin be in the hierarchy of the MU.

IMO

Merlyn is in the top 5. (of the other 4, only LT is surely more powerful)

Roma's has never demonstrated the kind of power that would impress me enough to make her a Merlyn equal.

But Roma is powerful, no doubt.

Absolute control of Time is a big one of her abilities.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The thing is brother G,

If Jaspers can survive an attempt at Nullifying his Universe,

why would Nullifying other Universes affect him?

The UN energies can only affect him in the space he inhabits,

so erasing all the Realities outside his, would be for not.


This is why I said before, Nullification is Nullification.

Just different ranges of influence. I understand what you're saying.


But this is what I'm wondering...


If Reed fired the power of the UN at MJJ himself, and wasn't trying to affect any other Universes, (kind of like what Quasar did to Magus, but to a larger scale)...

Could this single Multiversal destroying blast Nullify MJJ?



But I guess that's not the point anyway

MJJ would need to generate that kind of power, just to have a chance at destroying Abraxas.


And I've never seen MJJ generate a concussive blast capable of destroying the Multiverse.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Btw.

CN and UN same thing.


They both nullifiy Space and Time.


The UN has been shown Nullifying the Multiverse.

The CN has Nullified Universes

and is stated to be able to erase any Universe in the Omniverse.


Theoretically,

the CN can erase the Omniverse, since the Life-Force Crystals of ALL the Universes in Marvel are in Roma's possession, accessed easily through the CN.

We can also ask ourselves if the UN could theoretically, destroy the omniverse, (there has to be a great many crystals in the CN I would hate to go break them all)

Was merlyn thoughts on MJJ resisting universal nullification more speculation then fact??? just curious.

And to Galan destroying the multiverse isn't enough you need to remake it to, if we are to follow the on panel profe, so that abraxas would never have existed.

Originally posted by Galan007
If Reed fired the power of the UN at MJJ himself, and wasn't trying to affect any other Universes, (kind of like what Quasar did to Magus, but to a larger scale)...

Could this single Multiversal destroying blast Nullify MJJ?

Good question, impossible to accurately answer.

The only thing I have to go on is knowing Merlyn could have blasted the Multiverse to pieces, and he said his power was not enough.


Originally posted by Galan007
But I guess that's not the point anyway

MJJ would need to generate that kind of power, just to have a chance at destroying Abraxas.

True,

but Abraxas was not able to destroy the Multiverse on a whim,

he had to enter each Reality in order to collapse it.

Merlyn on the other hand could have destroyed the Multiverse on a whim,

and wasn't able to stop Jaspers so ....


I smell a stalemate, until Jaspers' power expands to beyond the Multiverse.


Originally posted by Galan007
And I've never seen MJJ generate a concussive blast capable of destroying the Multiverse.

But you did see him collapse the Omniverse in a future seen by Cobweb where Jaspers was not stopped by the Fury.

Originally posted by Utrigita
We can also ask ourselves if the UN could theoretically, destroy the omniverse,

No we could not.

There's no evidence to suggest that.

How ever there is evidence to strongly suggest the CN could erase the Omniverse.

Originally posted by Utrigita
(there has to be a great many crystals in the CN I would hate to go break them all)

dontgetit


Originally posted by Utrigita
Was merlyn thoughts on MJJ resisting universal nullification more speculation then fact??? just curious.

The Fury survived Nullification On Panel of his Universe.

Merlyn stated Jaspers 616 could not be stopped by Nullifying his Universe.

The Official Bio certifies this as a fact.


Originally posted by Utrigita
And to Galan destroying the multiverse isn't enough you need to remake it to, if we are to follow the on panel profe, so that abraxas would never have existed.

Merlyn could do that, and said he didn't have the power to stop Jaspers.

Only the plot device (Fury) was able.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I smell a stalemate That's good enough for me.

Originally posted by Mr Master
But you did see him collapse the Omniverse in a future seen by Cobweb where Jaspers was not stopped by the Fury. Damn you!









A side question....

Why the hell didn't Galactus use the UN instead of Reed, during the Abraxas arch?

I have a hard time believing Reed could have destroyed Abraxas with it, but G couldn't have.

Originally posted by Mr Master
No we could not.

There's no evidence to suggest that.

How ever there is evidence to strongly suggest the CN could erase the Omniverse.



dontgetit




The Fury survived Nullification On Panel of his Universe.

Merlyn stated Jaspers 616 could not be stopped by Nullifying his Universe.

The Official Bio certifies this as a fact.




Merlyn could do that, and said he didn't have the power to stop Jaspers.

Only the plot device (Fury) was able.

We don't know for sure if merlyn could have stopped him, as far as you said yourself in GEB vs bla bla, LT is rivaled by Merlyn in themes of power, you would equal the two but would you put MJJ above LT I certainly hope you aren't. Yet the way merlyn acts are very much like LT through pawns in this incident Fury which he knew would follow Captain Britain and that the fury then would kill MJJ.

Originally posted by guy222
Mr. M, do u consider LT and Merlyn equals


(mr Master replies)= Yes.
(did I leave something out )

And this isn't fury we are discussing is it ???

So basically you break one crystal in the CN and bang a universe is gone okay how many universes make up a multiverse then a megaverse and then the omniverse, and again only in theory can the CN destroy the Omniverse it would take a lot of time but it can yet I doesn't see why the UN couldn't in theory become as powerful destroying a multiverse in a instante, what if another instead of reed had pulled the trigger Quasar would in theory have used it better perhaps have destroyed more (and remake the multiverse was "all" that was required to get rid of Abraxas.

Good Night Sleep Well both of you If guy222 comes on give him my regards

Originally posted by Galan007
That's good enough for me.

Damn you!









A side question....

Why the hell didn't Galactus use the UN instead of Reed, during the Abraxas arch?

I have a hard time believing Reed could have destroyed Abraxas with it, but G couldn't have.

I believe Galactus dropped it of all things, the entire scene can be viewed in the galactus respect thread.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I believe Galactus dropped it of all things, the entire scene can be viewed in the galactus respect thread. It did technically "fall" into Reed's hands, but Galactus wasn't exactly trying to get it back.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/111/27jm6.th.jpg


Just curious about that.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nope.

Galactus specifically handed the UN to Reed.

On panel ???

http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=26iq3.jpg

Galactus takes it

http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=27jm6.jpg

Galactus doesn't have it any longer! When did reed get it, and when did Galactus gave it to him perhaps something is missing.

Originally posted by Galan007
That's good enough for me.




Originally posted by Galan007
Damn you!





Originally posted by Galan007
A side question....

Why the hell didn't Galactus use the UN instead of Reed, during the Abraxas arch?

I have a hard time believing Reed could have destroyed Abraxas with it, but G couldn't have.

As soon as Galactus got his hands on it, Nova flew through Galactus' dome piece,

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1981/biggfallszp4.th.jpg

Big G dropped it, or better yet, "it fell" into Reed's hands.

Was that intentional?

I don't know but I don't think so.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8156/bigg2ip4.th.jpg

Originally posted by Utrigita
We don't know for sure if merlyn could have stopped him,

True.

But the only evidence we have is that he couldn't.


Originally posted by Utrigita
as far as you said yourself in GEB vs bla bla, LT is rivaled by Merlyn in themes of power,

I never said that.

I said Merlyn rivals LT in terms of STATUS.

I clearly followed that with,

"LT is still the Ultimate Judge, the most powerful of all"


Originally posted by Utrigita
you would equal the two but would you put MJJ above LT I certainly hope you aren't.

Well since Merlyn does NOT equal LT in power, I don't know what you're saying.


Originally posted by Utrigita
Yet the way merlyn acts are very much like LT through pawns in this incident Fury which he knew would follow Captain Britain and that the fury then would kill MJJ.

Like I said,

there's only proof that Merlyn did not have the power to stop Jaspers.



Originally posted by Utrigita
Originally posted by guy222
Mr. M, do u consider LT and Merlyn equals


(mr Master replies)= Yes.
(did I leave something out)


Yea,

like the rest of my post.


(mr Master replies)= "Yes

LT is still the Ultimate Judge, the most powerful of all"



Originally posted by Utrigita
And this isn't fury we are discussing is it ???

The Fury was created by a weaker version of Jaspers and survived Nullification.

616 Jaspers is FAR more powerful than his 238 counter-part.


Jaspers 616 was immune to Nullification,

Merlyn said, the bio states it,

nuff said.


Originally posted by Utrigita
So basically you break one crystal in the CN and bang a universe is gone okay how many universes make up a multiverse then a megaverse and then the omniverse,

Who say's they have to break them one at a time.

Roma can switch on all the Crystals and boom it's over.


Originally posted by Utrigita
and again only in theory can the CN destroy the Omniverse it would take a lot of time but it can

It doesn't necessarily need to take a long time.

These aren't Humans messing with this weapon.


This is Roma and Saturnyne, extremely powerful beings, that can gather all those Crystals in no time, with a gesture I'm sure.

Did you really think they would have to go one by one like two wet backs? glare


Originally posted by Utrigita
yet I doesn't see why the UN couldn't in theory become as powerful destroying a multiverse in a instante,

Perhaps it could,

but there's NO evidence to suggest that.


Originally posted by Utrigita
what if another instead of reed had pulled the trigger Quasar would in theory have used it better perhaps have destroyed more (and remake the multiverse was "all" that was required to get rid of Abraxas.

It's plausible,

but we're speculating now.

Originally posted by Mr Master
True.

But the only evidence we have is that he couldn't.




I never said that.

I said Merlyn rivals LT in terms of STATUS.

I clearly followed that with,

"LT is still the Ultimate Judge, the most powerful of all"




Well since Merlyn does NOT equal LT in power, I don't know what you're saying.




Like I said,

there's only proof that Merlyn did not have the power to stop Jaspers.






Yea,

like the rest of my post.


(mr Master replies)= "Yes

LT is still the Ultimate Judge, the most powerful of all"





The Fury was created by a weaker version of Jaspers and survived Nullification.

616 Jaspers is FAR more powerful than his 238 counter-part.


Jaspers 616 was immune to Nullification,

Merlyn said, the bio states it,

nuff said.




Who say's they have to break them one at a time.

Roma can switch on all the Crystals and boom it's over.




It doesn't necessarily need to take a long time.

These aren't Humans messing with this weapon.


This is Roma and Saturnyne, extremely powerful beings, that can gather all those Crystals in no time, with a gesture I'm sure.

Did you really think they would have to go one by one like two wet backs? glare




Perhaps it could,

but there's NO evidence to suggest that.




It's plausible,

but we're speculating now.

Good replies, to the last that is what this thread/forum is about speculating, and perhaps they would break them one at the time, when 258 MJJ was nullified that was the impression gain by the scan.

quick question was it bio ore on panel that MJJ was immune to nullification???

Originally posted by Utrigita
Good replies,




Originally posted by Utrigita
to the last that is what this thread/forum is about speculating,

No doubt, but specualtion doesn't hold much weight.


Originally posted by Utrigita
and perhaps they would break them one at the time, when 258 MJJ was nullified that was the impression gain by the scan.

I'm sure they can,

but I'm sure they can break more than one at a time aswell.

I mean their like 3 - 4 inches long:


"This Crystal embodies the LifeForce of your Home Dimension"
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1056/r8fu4.th.jpg
"By breaking it, that Entire Portion of the Omniverse CEASES TO EXIST"


Originally posted by Utrigita
quick question was it bio ore on panel that MJJ was immune to nullification???


"a CRYSTAL KEY is turned, a Chain Reaction Commenced"
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2561/e6qo5.th.jpg
"A Stricken UNIVERSE is placed FOREVER beyond Suffering"




"A WHOLE UNIVERSE! ... He just WIPED OUT a WHOLE UNIVERSE at the flick of a switch"
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/7337/k2hr3.th.jpg



The Fury survived his Universe being Nullified, without a scratch:

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/7179/jue6.th.jpg


If Nullification would have been possible,

they would have repeated the process,

after all, that's how 238 Jaspers was defeated.

So not 100% on panel but rather in the bio okay

Originally posted by Utrigita
So not 100% on panel but rather in the bio okay

Actually 100% On Panel, ok.




Merlin says,

"I stretched your sanity to the breaking point,

to prepare you for a Universe (238) Reduced to Idiocy"

the Omniversal Tribune Erased 238, as I showed above.

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/2566/m16hl3.th.jpg
Merlin says about Cap. Britain,

"I sent you to a lesser menace (Jaspers 238) and you were Killed"





Merlin says,

"You cannot fail, this version of Japers is too powerful, too dangerous"

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1219/m17iu3.th.jpg

They had to destroy the entire 238 Universe in order to kill 238 Jaspers,

but 616 Jaspers is "NOT so easily contained, and if he's not stopped,

the OMNI-VERSE will fall into Chaos,

and a NEW GOD shall play dice with Matter"




There it is, On Panel, Jaspers can NOT be affected by Nullification.

Again, it's common sense, they would have Nullified him if it was possible,

just like they did 238 Jaspers.

okay cool would still like to see the blast fired from quasar hitting MJJ ore Fury

Originally posted by Utrigita
okay cool would still like to see the blast fired from quasar hitting MJJ ore Fury The exact blast Quasar fired at Magus, wouldn't do shit.


Now take the blast Reed used, and focus that into one concussive beam of energy, and then I think it could take out MJJ or Fury.

I'm still not 100% sure that MJJ could survive a Multiversal destroying force that concentrated.

Sure Merlyn could have taken out the Multiverse as a whole, but he couldn't have concentrated that kind of power, into one burst of energy.


So it's up in the air IMO.

Originally posted by Utrigita
okay cool would still like to see the blast fired from quasar hitting MJJ ore Fury

Nothing would happen.

Nullifiers take out targets evenly, whether it's one person or all Reality,

the same force is being applied.

Actually the CN's smallest target is a Universe.

Originally posted by Galan007
The exact blast Quasar fired at Magus, wouldn't do shit.

I agree.


Originally posted by Galan007
Now take the blast Reed used, and focus that into one concussive beam of energy, and then I think it could take out MJJ or Fury.

I disagree.

The UN blast that took out the Multiverse,

is no more powerful than the UN blast that was supposed to take out Magus.


Again,

Nullification is Nullification, it's only a difference of Range.

If the UN is set to Nullify a single person, it Nullifies one person.

If the UN is set to Nullify the Universe, it Nullifies the Universe.

If the UN is set to Nullify the Multiverse, it Nullifies the Multiverse.



In all instances the same action is taking place, Nullification.

The only difference?

Amount of AREA being Nullified.


Originally posted by Galan007
I'm still not 100% sure that MJJ could survive a Multiversal destroying force that concentrated.

There's no evidence to suggest that the UN uses more power to erase a Universe than to erase a single person.

So there's no such thing as a Multiversal destroying blast that can be concentrated into a single beam, by the UN.


The UN Nullifies Time & Space,

whether that Time and Space is confined to ONE person or the Universe,

it carries out the same purpose ... to Nullify.


Originally posted by Galan007
Sure Merlyn could have taken out the Multiverse as a whole, but he couldn't have concentrated that kind of power, into one burst of energy.

How do you know that?


If Necrom could have collapse the Multiverse into a singularity,

in an instant with the Energy Matrix, according to Merlyn,

why wouldn't Merlyn be able to do it?




btw. Merlyn allowed Captain Britain to absorb a portion of his Energy Matrix and as you know, Brian was able to REBUILD the Multiverse, on panel.

Originally posted by Galan007
So it's up in the air IMO.

Originally posted by Utrigita
We don't know for sure if merlyn could have stopped him, as far as you said yourself in GEB vs bla bla, LT is rivaled by Merlyn in themes of power, you would equal the two but would you put MJJ above LT I certainly hope you aren't. Yet the way merlyn acts are very much like LT through pawns in this incident Fury which he knew would follow Captain Britain and that the fury then would kill MJJ.

Originally posted by guy222
Mr. M, do u consider LT and Merlyn equals


(mr Master replies)= Yes.
(did I leave something out )

And this isn't fury we are discussing is it ???

So basically you break one crystal in the CN and bang a universe is gone okay how many universes make up a multiverse then a megaverse and then the omniverse, and again only in theory can the CN destroy the Omniverse it would take a lot of time but it can yet I doesn't see why the UN couldn't in theory become as powerful destroying a multiverse in a instante, what if another instead of reed had pulled the trigger Quasar would in theory have used it better perhaps have destroyed more (and remake the multiverse was "all" that was required to get rid of Abraxas.

Good Night Sleep Well both of you If guy222 comes on give him my regards

Good day to u

Originally posted by Mr Master
How do you know that?


If Necrom could have collapse the Multiverse into a singularity,

in an instant with the Energy Matrix, according to Merlyn,

why wouldn't Merlyn be able to do it? Has Merlyn ever shown the ability to concentrate a "Multiversal destroying blast" at a single being?


If not, then that's how I know that.

Originally posted by Galan007
Has Merlyn ever shown the ability to concentrate a "Multiversal destroying blast" at a single being?

Who has ever done that?

Certainly not the UN.


Show me one instance where a character claimed to be releasing a Multiversal destroying blast at any one target?


Merlyn created Otherworld with a thought.

Otherworld is practically a Multiverse, though it's referred to as a Universe.

But it can't be just any Universe because the Starlight Citidel houses Universes.

And the Starlight Citidel is in Otherworld.

And yes, Merlyn created the Starlight Citidel aswell.


Originally posted by Galan007
If not, then that's how I know that.

So do you know who has?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Who has ever done that?

Certainly not the UN.


Show me one instance where a character claimed to be releasing a Multiversal destroying blast at any one target?


Merlyn created Otherworld with a thought.

Otherworld is practically a Multiverse, though it's referred to as a Universe.

But it can't be just any Universe because the Starlight Citidel houses Universes.

And the Starlight Citidel is in Otherworld.

And yes, Merlyn created the Starlight Citidel aswell.




So do you know who has? hum

Did I say anyone has?


I just meant that because Merlyn has not done this, I won't assume he could.

Originally posted by Galan007
hum

Did I say anyone has?

Well you're alluding to the notion that the UN can so ... shrug


Originally posted by Galan007
I just meant that because Merlyn has not done this, I won't assume he could.

But No one has.

So then IYO no one can.


Certain sensible assumptions are born out of logic based of facts rather than just an account that took place.

In this case we are forced to, because of the lack of evidence on either side.


If Merlyn can create a device that connects the Life-Force of every Universe in the Omniverse, in order to give others the capability to erase any of those Universes with the flick of a switch,

I have to logically assume Merlyn has the power and authority to erase any or all Universes.


If Merlyn can create a Universe, that houses COUNTLESS Universes in an instant,

I have to logically assume Merlyn can erase COUNTLESS Universes just like he Created them.


If a portion of the Energy Matrix can REVERSE a Multiversal collapse and REBUILD the Multiverse effortlessly,

then I must logically assume that the FULL Power of the Matrix can do much, much more.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Well you're alluding to the notion that the UN can so ... shrug Nope.

I just said that all I could see taking out MJJ was a blast of that magnitude, I never said anyone has actually done this.
Originally posted by Mr Master
But No one has.

So then IYO no one can.

Certain sensible assumptions are born out of logic based of facts rather than just an account that took place. Sure you can assume Merlyn could do this.

But since he never has, I chose to assume that he can not do this.

You cannot call my opinion wrong, no more then I can call your opinion wrong.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nope.

I just said that all I could see taking out MJJ was a blast of that magnitude, I never said anyone has actually done this.

Cool.

So then the debate concerning a concentrated blast of this magnitute is inconsequential.

Cause it's never happened.

Let us proceed.

Originally posted by Galan007
Sure you can assume Merlyn could do this.

But since he never has, I chose to assume that he can not do this.

Actually you must assume no one can, since no has.



And don't tell me Joker's power was Multiversal,

because of a comment Mxy made.


Since he never demontrated Multiversal power,

you must assume he didn't have it.

Originally posted by Galan007
You cannot call my opinion wrong, no more then I can call your opinion wrong.

No one said your opinion is wrong.

I simply disagreed and gave you my reasons.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually you must assume no one can, since no has.



And don't tell me Joker's power was Multiversal,

because of a comment Mxy made.


Since he never demontrated Multiversal power,

you must assume he didn't have it. Actually Darkseid was the one who found out that EJ's power was Multiversal.

And I'm assuming you saw my post in the Mxy respect thread.

If so, you would also note that I never said Joker actually affected more then one Universe, (though he did affect beings from other Universes, but not the Universes in general).

I merely stated that his power as a whole was Multiversal, judging by on panel statements/showings.



Originally posted by Mr Master
No one said your opinion is wrong.

I simply disagreed and gave you my reasons. Cool.

Such is the way of debating.