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Well I have been hearing alot about The Silver Surfer and being almost unbeatable, so I took it apon my self to make this thread to see what people think about this match up?

feel free to say what ever!

if your talking about current surfer with the upgrade then we will have to wait and see what happens when he fights Tenebris and Aegis. who are equal to normal powered BIG G.

and we no what a normal powered BIG G would do to this team

Originally posted by Adult Swim Guy
Well I have been hearing alot about The Silver Surfer and being almost unbeatable, so I took it apon my self to make this thread to see what people think about this match up?

feel free to say what ever!

apon no it's upon.

that is all

come on now we seen the comic. if surfer beats these two or at least one then we can all agree that surfer would beat the team

Originally posted by lionking
come on now we seen the comic. if surfer beats these two or at least one then we can all agree that surfer would beat the team

Surfer's power comes directly from Big G's own. So if Surfer is that Upgraded, Then Big G is down graded. Becuz Surfer was always said to have 1% of Big G's power.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Surfer's power comes directly from Big G's own. So if Surfer is that Upgraded, Then Big G is down graded. Becuz Surfer was always said to have 1% of Big G's power.

that's a very old statement.

Originally posted by Soleran
that's a very old statement.
And Still Holds True. How can the Created Attain more power if not from the Creator? Galactus doesn't have infinite Energy to just go around making everyone Uber.

Originally posted by lionking
if your talking about current surfer with the upgrade then we will have to wait and see what happens when he fights Tenebris and Aegis. who are equal to normal powered BIG G.

Do you honestly think Galactus upgraded Surfer so greatly that he is now capable of defeating two Galactus-level beings?


That would make Galactus himself realitively powerless.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And Still Holds True. How can the Created Attain more power if not from the Creator? Galactus doesn't have infinite Energy to just go around making everyone Uber.

Um Superman vs the Sun on energy and release of said energy.

Comics don't make science sense.

lol, is it possible for The Surfer to survive this?
I'm not even sure he could take Hulk and Superman (and that's the least dynamic combination I could think of from the 4 characters placed against him).


Surfer could drain Hulk's gamma fast I guess, if Hulk doesn't continue to get enraged. but that would still require that Surfer remain stationary for a moment or two, which is enough time for the other 3 to knock him out/capture him/encase him in some exotic forcefield...

team wins.

One on one, the Surfer can take anyone here.

Two on one? He might be able to pull a few wins.

Four on one? Curbstomp.

Originally posted by janus77
lol, is it possible for The Surfer to survive this?
I'm not even sure he could take Hulk and Superman (and that's the least dynamic combination I could think of from the 4 characters placed against him).


Surfer could drain Hulk's gamma fast I guess, if Hulk doesn't continue to get enraged. but that would still require that Surfer remain stationary for a moment or two, which is enough time for the other 3 to knock him out/capture him/encase him in some exotic forcefield...

team wins.

The Hulk is the least of the Surfer's concerns. This fight would be taking place primarily whilst flying.

I mean, pit the Hulk and ANYONE that the Surfer can beat against the Surfer, and the Surfer still wins....Just because he can stay away from the Hulk for long enough to beat the other character, and then deal with the Hulk. The Hulk simply isn't even a threat to the Surfer.

Originally posted by Galan007


Do you honestly think Galactus upgraded Surfer so greatly that he is now capable of defeating two Galactus-level beings?


That would make Galactus himself realitively powerless.

Exactly. How can Galactus upgrade surfer to this point when Big G didn't have the power on his own to defeat them? THat would be PIS at it's worst.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And Still Holds True. How can the Created Attain more power if not from the Creator? Galactus doesn't have infinite Energy to just go around making everyone Uber.
does the Power Cosmic emanate from Galactus or is it a force independent of Galactus, with Galactus being able to siphon it for his own needs and to grant such abilities to others as he sees fit.

if Thanos can augment himself with the Power Cosmic, it would suggest that Surfer too accesses the Power Cosmic independent of Galactus, once Galactus has made him capable of it.


still, I'm waiting till I see the Surfer T&A issue (:confused, before I posit anything as tendentious as Surfer = Galactus.

Originally posted by Soljer
The Hulk is the least of the Surfer's concerns. This fight would be taking place primarily whilst flying. Pfffft.

Teh Huc can fly, you biased fanboy!

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j/k

Originally posted by Soljer
The Hulk is the least of the Surfer's concerns. This fight would be taking place primarily whilst flying.

I mean, pit the Hulk and ANYONE that the Surfer can beat against the Surfer, and the Surfer still wins....Just because he can stay away from the Hulk for long enough to beat the other character, and then deal with the Hulk. The Hulk simply isn't even a threat to the Surfer.
I was just demonstrating that, given Hulk would be the easiest win for Surfer, it would leave him exposed to attack by the rest of the team.

Surfer could fight this team using other strategies but still, he's fighting them all not sequentially and so I just don't see him even fluking one win out of ten.


the best strategy for him I can see is to get away fast ... light years. then wait for Superman to chase, pick off Superman as he comes at him, then try and blitz GL whilst projecting illusions and stuff to distract Thor... even then it's almost impossible that GL won't be able to keep Surfer so distracted that Thor/Hulk wallops him while he's not looking...

Originally posted by janus77
does the Power Cosmic emanate from Galactus or is it a force independent of Galactus, with Galactus being able to siphon it for his own needs and to grant such abilities to others as he sees fit.

if Thanos can augment himself with the Power Cosmic, it would suggest that Surfer too accesses the Power Cosmic independent of Galactus, once Galactus has made him capable of it.


still, I'm waiting till I see the Surfer T&A issue (:confused, before I posit anything as tendentious as Surfer = Galactus.

Thanos doesn't amp himself with the power cosmic. He sythesises it. And he amps with mystical and Tech as well. But even he can't amp infinitely.

Originally posted by janus77
before I posit anything as tendentious as Surfer = Galactus. Even if something to this degree is actually published, I will still say that it is absolutely f*cking stupid.


And needless to say, I'd be done with Marvel for quite a while.

Originally posted by janus77
I was just demonstrating that, given Hulk would be the easiest win for Surfer, it would leave him exposed to attack by the rest of the team.

Surfer could fight this team using other strategies but still, he's fighting them all not sequentially and so I just don't see him even fluking one win out of ten.


the best strategy for him I can see is to get away fast ... light years. then wait for Superman to chase, pick off Superman as he comes at him, then try and blitz GL whilst projecting illusions and stuff to distract Thor... even then it's almost impossible that GL won't be able to keep Surfer so distracted that Thor/Hulk wallops him while he's not looking...

GL can stalemate Surfer on his own. ANd GL's don't really get blitzed. Thier Auto SHields see to that. Also, why would Superman be the first one to Reach Surfer? GL and Thor have faster space traveling SPeed than Superman.

I've never seen Thor travel at Surfer-esque speeds. don't recall him having that ability.

Superman's the one with the Saturn and back in minutes feat, so it stands to reason that he'd be the one chasing Surfer.

as for the GL stalemate thing... create a thread and see what arguments come up. I'm not sure if any GL could really hold up against Surfer, one on one, for very long. the range of powers that the Surfer packs, the stamina and durability are pretty awesome.

GLs used to run out of power after a while, not sure if that's changed significantly now.

Originally posted by janus77
I've never seen Thor travel at Surfer-esque speeds. don't recall him having that ability.

Superman's the one with the Saturn and back in minutes feat, so it stands to reason that he'd be the one chasing Surfer.

as for the GL stalemate thing... create a thread and see what arguments come up. I'm not sure if any GL could really hold up against Surfer, one on one, for very long. the range of powers that the Surfer packs, the stamina and durability are pretty awesome.

GLs used to run out of power after a while, not sure if that's changed significantly now.

The average Lantern would go down pretty hard against the Surfer.

But you take someone like Hal or Kyle? It's a draw, or a slight edge in either direction.

when galactus made tryant what happened look how pwerfull he was . when doomsday was created look what happens some things evolve.

i dont know where i heard it but some day silver surfer is going to replace BIG G

does any one know of this

nope

Originally posted by lionking
when galactus made tryant what happened look how pwerfull he was . when doomsday was created look what happens some things evolve.

i dont know where i heard it but some day silver surfer is going to replace BIG G

does any one know of this

It's been said that the Surfer would eventually cause Galactus' downfall, I believe.

Dunno if any writer ever said that Surfer'd become the new devourer.

i would love it if surfer became the new living tribunal.

as living tribunal has served the TOA. and now has moved on to a higher place

that would be cool

Originally posted by lionking
i would love it if surfer became the new living tribunal.

as living tribunal has served the TOA. and now has moved on to a higher place

that would be cool

.....

What the ****? How the hell would that happen? What explanation would there be?

That'd be like...I dunno, a Green Lantern becoming the Spectre..

Oh....shit.

Originally posted by lionking

i dont know where i heard it but some day silver Surfer is going to replace BIG G

does any one know of this In LPS, Surfer technically did replace Galactus, but not as a devourer of worlds:

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I don't believe this event was canon though.

Originally posted by lionking
i would love it if surfer became the new living tribunal.

as living tribunal has served the TOA. and now has moved on to a higher place

that would be cool

I thought they merged, Norrin didn't actually replace him.

The only thing I want to really see from the surfer is some growth as a character. Hes worse than dream as far as changing goes.

Originally posted by Soljer
I thought they merged, Norrin didn't actually replace him. They did merge, but Surfer took his place IMO.

I guess it's more of an amalgam character than anything.

That was just the closest instance to what that dude was referring to.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
The only thing I want to really see from the surfer is some growth as a character. Hes worse than dream as far as changing goes.

Same here. I want to see a good writer take control of the Surfer. He's a powerful character, he's hard to write for, I understand.

But there have been plenty of GOOD comic runs with VERY powerful characters. That is no excuse.

Let's see some good writing for the Surfer!

hulk solos silver surfer (happened in TIH #105)

Originally posted by Soljer
Same here. I want to see a good writer take control of the Surfer. He's a powerful character, he's hard to write for, I understand.

But there have been plenty of GOOD comic runs with VERY powerful characters. That is no excuse.

Let's see some good writing for the Surfer! I used to read the surfer run when Ron lim was the artist. I forget who was writing. It was cool but kinda boring. Now what would be cool if Surfer were in the DCU. He would meet up with some nasty villians and some heroes who wouldn't care for his past at all.

Originally posted by miraclethree
hulk solos silver surfer (happened in TIH #105)

Quit fooling yourself.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I used to read the surfer run when Ron lim was the artist. I forget who was writing. It was cool but kinda boring. Now what would be cool if Surfer were in the DCU. He would meet up with some nasty villians and some heroes who wouldn't care for his past at all.

I think the Surfer would do really well in DC. DC knows how to write a very powerful character without making him boring. Marvel's writing at the lower-tiers is superior, in my opinion, but DC has been doing the herald gig since day one.

Originally posted by Soljer
Quit fooling yourself.

stop hating a char because of his fanboys


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Originally posted by miraclethree
stop hating a char because of his fanboys


http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/20/hulkrapessurferyo5.jpg A noncosmic SS. Yeah pretty impressive.

Surfer would have a hard enough time defeating Thor, any Gl, or Superman. Placing them all on a team is a curbstomp.

I told u so lol and u guys make hulk sound like a helpless *****!

Originally posted by miraclethree
stop hating a char because of his fanboys


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1. Surfer wasn't knocked out.

2. Surfer just got done owning the Hulk and several other gladiators.

3. Surfer was only attacked while he was THANKING the Hulk.

4. Surfer was cut off from his cosmic power.

5. EVERY - SINGLE - OTHER - appearance including the Hulk and the Surfer? The Surfer owns him. Easily, quickly, and without a second thought.

Stop the fanboygasm! Spread truth!

http://i82.imagethrust.com/t/824324/hulk1.jpg + http://i81.imagethrust.com/t/824325/hulk2.jpg = Bye Bye Surfer.

lol i think it sounds like sucky sufer?!!!

Originally posted by Soljer
4. Surfer was cut off from his cosmic power.
Wasn't Hulk depowered as well ?

Originally posted by Big Sexy
A noncosmic SS. Yeah pretty impressive.

hulk was weak and he still beat SS, yes pretty impressive.

(plus, when hulk beat him SS had the desk broke)

Originally posted by miraclethree
hulk was weak and he still beat SS, yes pretty impressive.

(plus, when hulk beat him SS had the desk broke)

Hulk broke the disc, and the Surfer glanced up at the Hulk, completely ceased ALL hostilities, and was then cheap shotted off his feet.

He was then pounded on for a little while by a SERIOUSLY enraged Hulk, and was not even knocked out.

Where's the feat?

What comic did this happen in?

Originally posted by Galan007
What comic did this happen in?

The Incredible Hulk 105.

Originally posted by lionking
if your talking about current surfer with the upgrade then we will have to wait and see what happens when he fights Tenebris and Aegis. who are equal to normal powered BIG G.

and we no what a normal powered BIG G would do to this team
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Originally posted by Validus
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http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihilationheraldsofgahc3.jpg Hmmm, well at least Surfer didn't overpower A&T.

So...

The Surfer simply channels the energies of the crunch and, at least, draws with the four?

.

Originally posted by Galan007
Hmmm, well at least Surfer didn't overpower A&T.

Agreed. That would have been a bit ridiculous.

Originally posted by Soljer
So...

The Surfer simply channels the energies of the crunch and, at least, draws with the four?

.
Only if the battle takes place in the same spot.

ya but he really did not win he made them fall in that shit! hey if not for G he would have been dead!

Originally posted by Validus
Only if the battle takes place in the same spot.

I swear Giffen is an idiot, and Marvel more so for paying him.

Galactus gets threats that could serve the purpose of fleshing out his history and the universes beginnings? Kill them promptly.

Surfer gets a needless powerup, since he's done nothing that he couldn't do before? You betcha@!!

Marvel isn't doing anything good right now, except for the Street level scene.

I'm done.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I swear Giffen is an idiot, and Marvel more so for paying him.

Galactus gets threats that could serve the purpose of fleshing out his history and the universes beginnings? Kill them promptly.

Surfer gets a needless powerup, since he's done nothing that he couldn't do before? You betcha@!!

Marvel isn't doing anything good right now, except for the Street level scene.

I'm done.

Marvel's always been kinda bad at the higher echelons of writing. At least, in my opinion. They do street and mid-tier really well - better than DC, even. But at the top tier? .

pretty impressive stuff.
SS could probably channel lesser energies without causing himself irreparable harm.

like a gigantic supermassive blackhole... swallowing everybody bar him.

then again... not that impressed with his T&A feat

I swear i could hear the check being ripped and later cashed as i read Annihilation.

I dislike Grant Archibald Morrison, but damn if i wish he'd been in charge of Annihilation.

The bugpeople throwbackhack from the 60's probably wouldn't have been there at all, Galactus would've been explored in some weird acid trip way, Thanos would've gotten his comeuppance, and it just would've been better.

As is, i wish Annihilation never continued past the prequels. It was just shitty overall.

It was still better than Civil War. *shrug*

yeah surfer beats the team


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Originally posted by lionking
yeah surfer beats the team


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That was posted. What's your point? He used the energies of the big crunch that were just sitting there to beat T&A, and ended up killing himself in the process.

He can't really access those energies in this fight.

Originally posted by Validus
It was still better than Civil War. *shrug*

It's truly sad that the most enjoyment i'm getting out of Marvel, comes from their most one dimensional, take him as you see him character in the Hulk.

So much potential, but so much halfhearted bullshit clogging up space.

Originally posted by UniOmni
It's truly sad that the most enjoyment i'm getting out of Marvel, comes from their most one dimensional, take him as you see him character in the Hulk.

So much potential, but so much halfhearted bullshit clogging up space.

I must say, Planet Hulk has been exceptional.

World War Hulk will be a wank fest, but still entertaining.

Also, over all, I think that annihilation was better done than Civil War...And, as far as entertainment from marvel goes, I'm really liking the Ulti-verse right now.

WWH seems kind of pointless. Hulk whooping the shit out of people doesn't really scream "MEGA CROSSOVER" to me.

Originally posted by Validus
WWH seems kind of pointless. Hulk whooping the shit out of people doesn't really scream "MEGA CROSSOVER" to me.

Oh come on. You can' tell me you won't be entertained when the Hulk knocks Tony's extremis-ridden head off.

seems a bit too much for SS, hulk and superman are down instantly leaving gl and thor which combined they will probably beat SS in terms of power perhaops there are other ways in which ss will be able to deal with them but..................

Originally posted by HigH ScholaR
seems a bit too much for SS, hulk and superman are down instantly leaving gl and thor which combined they will probably beat SS in terms of power perhaops there are other ways in which ss will be able to deal with them but..................

How will the Surfer down Kal El INSTANTLY?

Kryptonite? Yeah - like Lex Luthor's kryptonite star ship downed Superman instantly.

Red Sun radiation? Yeah - like the sun eater's red sun radiation downed him instantly.

Originally posted by Soljer
Oh come on. You can' tell me you won't be entertained when the Hulk knocks Tony's extremis-ridden head off.
I'm not saying it won't be entertaining. Just that it doesn't need to be the next big event. It's a little too shallow for that.

thor and supes together take out surfer

Hulk is a non factor.

SS BFR Superman

The problem is GL and Thor.

no just surfer

Team.

If nothing else they can probably use Hulk as an energy source.

theres that, espiically as ss can effect him on a molecular level.. but **** him up similar to the way Captain Atom did so to Apollo, freeze him slow down his moltabilsm (sp) teleport him someplace, encase him in a black cacoon (no light going through etc)

Originally posted by Soljer
How will the Surfer down Kal El INSTANTLY?

Kryptonite? Yeah - like Lex Luthor's kryptonite star ship downed Superman instantly.

Red Sun radiation? Yeah - like the sun eater's red sun radiation downed him instantly.

so know your gonna tell me k nite does not effect him

Originally posted by id369
Hulk is a non factor.

SS BFR Superman

The problem is GL and Thor.

Originally posted by HigH ScholaR
so know your gonna tell me k nite does not effect him
He's just telling you what happened in a recent comic.

Red sun drains away his powers, if given enough exposure.

But Surfer is bound to lose here.

think of that red sun effecting superman. now think of surfer times it by millions.

he he could probley find other weakness in superman.

how about red sun and k nite mixed.


anything is possible when weilding the power cosmic

Originally posted by HigH ScholaR
so know your gonna tell me k nite does not effect him It does drain him, but FAR from instantly, (as seen in a recent issue of Action Comics).

Originally posted by lionking
think of that red sun effecting superman. now think of surfer times it by millions.
He withstood a supernova of red sun radiaton and was still performing at a high level. Surfer doesn't have that level of energy projection.

Bottom line is that Surfer doesn't stand a chance in this thread.

Originally posted by Validus
He withstood a supernova of red sun radiaton and was still performing at a high level. Surfer doesn't have that level of energy projection.

Bottom line is that Surfer doesn't stand a chance in this thread. Wasn't that explosion equal to 50 supernovas?

He didn't take that explosion tho.

He was about to, and get vaporized by the radiation until Pa came in with the save.

It was akin(least to me) a stick of dynamite going off in front of me, and i get knocked back a few yards.
Nice feat for me, but i wasn't holding the dynamite when it went boom.

^^ Damn, i DO throw salt like mad huh?

He was escaping from the bomb remains. Not the nova itself.

Originally posted by UniOmni
^^ Damn, i DO throw salt like mad huh?
Speak english.

Speak your whitemans english?!

Nop whey!

Salt like mad is pretty much my way of saying hate, for the slang impaired.

Validus

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Originally posted by lionking
Validus

have u got the hole comic The whole comic was uploaded HERE.

Originally posted by Validus
He withstood a supernova of red sun radiaton and was still performing at a high level. Surfer doesn't have that level of energy projection.

Bottom line is that Surfer doesn't stand a chance in this thread.
isn't channelling the "Big Crunch" a form of energy projection?
shunting energies from one time and place to another?

I'd say he doesn't lack for energy projection, given what we've just seen.



I still don't think Surfer can take them all at once, though he does seem to be a tad 'chicken' in the use of Power Cosmic - constantly setting artificially low limits on what he can and cannot do... like the example with T&A, all he did was exceed what he felt was safe to do (ie channel insane - universe creating/collapsing energies through himself), as a last resort.

he once tried to commit suicide and ended up reviving a planet... he seems to consistently underestimate his powers .


imo, it's possible that he take Thor + Hulk or Superman + GL at once... if he created a galaxy blazing Red Sun and dragged GL and Superman into it at hyperspeed... then collapsed it when inside - crushing GL in the gravity and destroying Superman with the Red Sun poison whilst preventing his escape from the 'event horizon'.

but all 4 seems extreme.

Originally posted by janus77
isn't channelling the "Big Crunch" a form of energy projection?
shunting energies from one time and place to another?

I'd say he doesn't lack for energy projection, given what we've just seen.
Actually it's energy manipulation. That is, manipulating outside energies for his own good. He said himself he didn't have that kind of power within himself. There is no galaxy crushing energy projection he's about to perform.

The problem with all these crazy scenarios people like to come up with Surfer is that GL can do anything he can so he's still f'ucked as they say. It's quite unfortunate people insist on putting Surfer in these insane threads where he has no chance at victory. This is no better than Superman Vs Hulk.

This thread is making me wanna punch a baby in the face.

Punch Wally's twins, but before they came back......

So just punch Linda, or Lisa in the stomach for being stupid enough to have a miscarriage.

And before you PClites come after me, just realize i said that about a piece of paper that's around 1 inch tall usually.

Bug off, emos!

Originally posted by batdude123
This thread is making me wanna punch a baby in the face.

I want to see a picture of that.

It's really no surprise you support punching pregnant women.

Originally posted by Validus
It's really no surprise you support punching pregnant women. I thought that was your stand Val

by the way Silver Surfer looses everyone except for Hulk and Superman could give Surfer a good run for his money and Superman could make it a somewhat fight. Together SS has no chance.

Originally posted by Validus
It's really no surprise you support punching pregnant women.

No, you got me wrong Vally.

I support punching women stupid enough to have miscarriages in the stomach. She's not pregnant.

And the women must be fictional, or jailtime is deserved.

I'm not such a bad guy.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I'm not such a bad guy.

The hell you aren't.

Originally posted by UniOmni
No, you got me wrong Vally.

I support punching women stupid enough to have miscarriages in the stomach. She's not pregnant.

And the women must be fictional, or jailtime is deserved.

I'm not such a bad guy.

Fictional women have feelings too!

Well it looks like we got a pritty good debate going on in here

Yo.

Originally posted by janus77
imo, it's possible that he take Thor + Hulk or Superman + GL at once... if he created a galaxy blazing Red Sun and dragged GL and Superman into it at hyperspeed... then collapsed it when inside - crushing GL in the gravity and destroying Superman with the Red Sun poison whilst preventing his escape from the 'event horizon'.

I can see Y U'd give him a decent shot against 2 heavy-hitters, but I gotta make 1 comment: tring to trap a GL w/in a black hole isnt *really* a garaunteed win, since we've seen far more escape them w/no problem (even rookies have closed them w/o issue) than get trapped inside of 1.

in short: I wouldnt use that as a tactic.




Tazer

Really?

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.



I can see Y U'd give him a decent shot against 2 heavy-hitters, but I gotta make 1 comment: tring to trap a GL w/in a black hole isnt *really* a garaunteed win, since we've seen far more escape them w/no problem (even rookies have closed them w/o issue) than get trapped inside of 1.

in short: I wouldnt use that as a tactic.




Tazer
it'd be hardwork, and to be honest I'm not sure he could keep them both in the blackhole but, I would imagine that Surfer would attempt to use the blackhole to crush the GL, rather than simply trap him.

with Superman he'd simply weaken and contain him, using PC to accelerate the natural retrograde effects of a super massive red sun, maybe getting malicious and emitting pure kryptonite radiation all the while (a viable attack for the Surfer), so he'd be able to shift around a fair bit... not be completely occupied.

just a question of what he can do to keep the GL within the black hole. perhaps he would have to physically bind the GL with his board (as he's done to various foes over the years). or maybe attempt to manipulate Superman's heatvision against the GL (no doubt Superman would be firing that off, full blast) and tie the GL up in deflecting/fighting that.

dunno.

Yo.

Originally posted by Adult Swim Guy
Really?

pre-Parallax rookie-GLs have closed black holes w/nary a thought.




Tazer

Yo.

Originally posted by janus77
it'd be hardwork, and to be honest I'm not sure he could keep them both in the blackhole but, I would imagine that Surfer would attempt to use the blackhole to crush the GL, rather than simply trap him.

with Superman he'd simply weaken and contain him, using PC to accelerate the natural retrograde effects of a super massive red sun, maybe getting malicious and emitting pure kryptonite radiation all the while (a viable attack for the Surfer), so he'd be able to shift around a fair bit... not be completely occupied.

just a question of what he can do to keep the GL within the black hole. perhaps he would have to physically bind the GL with his board (as he's done to various foes over the years). or maybe attempt to manipulate Superman's heatvision against the GL (no doubt Superman would be firing that off, full blast) and tie the GL up in deflecting/fighting that.

dunno.

nice ideas and theories, but did U forget that theres also Thor he has to contend with here??

even if U assume that the flyers have left Hulk behind, which is fine, SS is *still* gonna have a prob dealing w/3 ppl that can 1-on-1 give him a great fight. the scenario U layout above wouldnt work from wat I can see if its 3-to-1.




Tazer

lol,
I was continuing the thought about taking on 2 of the 4 rather than all 4.
see the post you replied to earlier.

Thor alone would keep Surfer tied up for ages... even if Surfer was doing some exotic offensive moves against Superman (kryptonite/Red sun radiation), he would likely be opening himself up to being tagged once or twice, with mjolnir.

I don't believe Surfer could beat all 4 of them, unless it's sequentially - and that was one of the ideas I had initially, but it's unlikely that they'll split up/give chase... they know how dangerous he is one-on-one.

Originally posted by janus77
it'd be hardwork, and to be honest I'm not sure he could keep them both in the blackhole but, I would imagine that Surfer would attempt to use the blackhole to crush the GL, rather than simply trap him.

with Superman he'd simply weaken and contain him, using PC to accelerate the natural retrograde effects of a super massive red sun, maybe getting malicious and emitting pure kryptonite radiation all the while (a viable attack for the Surfer), so he'd be able to shift around a fair bit... not be completely occupied.

just a question of what he can do to keep the GL within the black hole. perhaps he would have to physically bind the GL with his board (as he's done to various foes over the years). or maybe attempt to manipulate Superman's heatvision against the GL (no doubt Superman would be firing that off, full blast) and tie the GL up in deflecting/fighting that.

dunno. GL's can close black holes with a thought, even GL's on their first day of patrol have done it.

Surfer won't have the concentration to do all these acts at once.

Most knowledgable debators give any of these guys, save Hulk, decent numbers against Surfer. The combined might of Supes, Thor and and GL certainly crush him underheel.

Originally posted by janus77
lol,
I was continuing the thought about taking on 2 of the 4 rather than all 4.
see the post you replied to earlier.

Thor alone would keep Surfer tied up for ages... even if Surfer was doing some exotic offensive moves against Superman (kryptonite/Red sun radiation), he would likely be opening himself up to being tagged once or twice, with mjolnir.

I don't believe Surfer could beat all 4 of them, unless it's sequentially - and that was one of the ideas I had initially, but it's unlikely that they'll split up/give chase... they know how dangerous he is one-on-one. Ah, I see now. So you actually weren't thinking that Surfer could do all that, just entertaining an idea of how it could be done?

I've never seen a GL close a black hole, not really seen anything on that scale from GLs (and definitely not with the ease you suggest). got any scans?

Surfer's concentration will have to be good enough, can't cripple him here, he's got to be on his game to even stand a chance. could say the others don't bother concentrating much, because they have superior numbers, and make mistakes as a result... but that'd be shoddy. so best assume everyone's giving it 100%.

Superman and G/L wrap up this battle with ease while hulk and thor prepare dinner. Surfer is dead before dinner is ready

Originally posted by janus77
I've never seen a GL close a black hole, not really seen anything on that scale from GLs (and definitely not with the ease you suggest). got any scans?
I would get scans but I'm lazy. I can tell you Kilowog flew into a black hole to rescue some rookie GL's who were stuck there during GLC: Recharge. In the same mini series, Kyle and Guy were opening them and using them as travel aids. A black hole is nothing to the experienced Lanterns.

Originally posted by janus77
I've never seen a GL close a black hole, not really seen anything on that scale from GLs (and definitely not with the ease you suggest). got any scans?

Surfer's concentration will have to be good enough, can't cripple him here, he's got to be on his game to even stand a chance. could say the others don't bother concentrating much, because they have superior numbers, and make mistakes as a result... but that'd be shoddy. so best assume everyone's giving it 100%. Check the respect thread for Green lanterns or Kyle Rayner, it has a few instances of fixing black holes, one of the scans iirc in the GL thread had a GL fixing a black hole in the same issue he recieved his ring in.

But we're not talking about a regular rookie here - at least I doubt it's a rookie.. I didn't see it mentioned in the thread, but assuming this Kyle or Hal, the most oft-used and considered GL's since they're the ones written about the most... they can do these type of feats without much consideration, and have done far more exagerated things with the ring.

Originally posted by Validus
I would get scans but I'm lazy. I can tell you Kilowog flew into a black hole to rescue some rookie GL's who were stuck there during GLC: Recharge. In the same mini series, Kyle and Guy were opening them and using them as travel aids. A black hole is nothing to the experienced Lanterns.
Thnx.

Yo.

Originally posted by janus77
I've never seen a GL close a black hole, not really seen anything on that scale from GLs (and definitely not with the ease you suggest). got any scans?

all thanx goto Astro on HC for putting these together.

example #1:


example #2:


example #3:


hope that helped




Tazer

Originally posted by Adult Swim Guy
Well I have been hearing alot about The Silver Surfer and being almost unbeatable, so I took it apon my self to make this thread to see what people think about this match up?

feel free to say what ever! durfist

ya your funny! and since no one wants to put hulk in this lets change him for darkseid or what ever his name is!

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.



all thanx goto Astro on HC for putting these together.

example #1:


example #2:


example #3:


hope that helped




Tazer
thanks for the scans. way before my brief stint of reading GL comics I guess... all I remember is the funny baseball bats and a few other, less than serious, manifestations.

anyway, that seems conclusive enough, the black hole won't be around long enough to damage the GL. if Surfer's going to have any chance against the lot of them (which, reasonably he wouldn't), then the GL's gotta be taken out the fight somehow.

btw, are the GLs still capable of being drained of their powers?
can the "battery" of the ring run out?

that might be one strategy that Surfer's cosmic awareness presents him with. taking Oan energies and amplifying his own with them, so that the GL is weakened and marginalised for the duration of the conflict...

Yo.

Originally posted by janus77
thanks for the scans. way before my brief stint of reading GL comics I guess... all I remember is the funny baseball bats and a few other, less than serious, manifestations.

that would be due to DC-editorial still thinking only 5yo's were the main purchasers of their books.

/shrug

Originally posted by janus77
anyway, that seems conclusive enough, the black hole won't be around long enough to damage the GL. if Surfer's going to have any chance against the lot of them (which, reasonably he wouldn't), then the GL's gotta be taken out the fight somehow.

tactically, I would try to accomplish this *3rd*, right after separating Mjolnir from Thor (2nd) and simply leaving the planet w/Hulk on it behind (1st).

Originally posted by janus77
btw, are the GLs still capable of being drained of their powers?
can the "battery" of the ring run out?

that might be one strategy that Surfer's cosmic awareness presents him with. taking Oan energies and amplifying his own with them, so that the GL is weakened and marginalised for the duration of the conflict...

actually, considering the new rings that WOULD be a viable tactic to use, however U would really need the time un-molested to accomplish that feat and if Superman is still free that doesnt seem too feasable since the amount they carry, while no longer infinite, still isnt miniscule.

however I dont see SS's CA telling him "I can drain all of the GLs energies", inasmuchas I can see him simply trying to drain wat he can.

thats just IMNSHO however




Tazer

now remember Hulk as been replaced with darkseid!

Originally posted by Adult Swim Guy
now remember Hulk as been replaced with darkseid! Darkseid wins himself then, lol.

I know that lol!then whats this hull thing with superman cant beat surfer himself but he can beat darkseid?....then how about shizam or what ever for the hulk?

I think most of the Superman fans (not meant in a derogatory way), are pretty much united in the view that Superman's victories over DS are "PIS".

Personally, I'm not all that interested in Superman comics, so I won't pretend to have anything definitive to contribute to that debate.

My view is that Surfer is the more durable (his natural environment is far more physically dangerous and stressful than anything Superman would offer in terms of offence), the faster (by multiples of millions), the move versatile (the Power Cosmic allows him to manipulate almost anything in the universe and siphon off all sorts of exotic energies/drain energies, to travel in time, to reduce himself down to the microverse, he has the ability to manipulate dna, molecules etc and he can also amp himself indefinitely with ambient energies such as sunlight, stars, nebulae etc) and has ridiculously powerful range attacks both in terms of time (being able to see into the future to a limited extent) and space (being able to attack Superman from light years away).

Superman just doesn't seem to be anywhere in his league. he has a handful of extreme powers but they are all easily negated/countered or even used against him.

the heatvision would be the first to go, either deflected back on Superman, absorbed and used as energy or drained out of Superman to weaken him.

the sun-soaking cells would be compromised by Surfer's cosmic awareness, their stress points/thresholds found and exploited... maybe by way of siphoning nearby star clusters to pump gargantuan quantities of energy into them and destabilise them.

the super strength would be virtually useless as Surfer would simply phase through the blows that Superman would rain down (that is if he allowed Superman to 1) get close and 2) to 'tag' him at all).

unless Superman hits like Galactus, I doubt he's going to rock a fully committed Surfer, look at what T&A did to him. he was still fully conscious and he would have recovered from the blows (as Galactus remarks, it was the radiation from the Big Crunch inside him, that was killing him).

I see most of the advantages lined up for Surfer but, there's a lot I don't know about Superman so I'm still open to debate.

Originally posted by Adult Swim Guy
Well I have been hearing alot about The Silver Surfer and being almost unbeatable, so I took it apon my self to make this thread to see what people think about this match up?

feel free to say what ever!

I wasn't going to respond to this thread, but oh well....

Hulk is non factor in this fight. He can only become one if SS is stupid enough to get within his range. That being said, the other 3 has enough to take him down. While I say he can take the other 3 individually one on one, each is capable of holding his attention, which is more than enough time for the other 2 to do some damage.

If SS is smart (in this one) he can start by taking out Clark first. And if he succeeds w/ minimal distraction from Blondie and GL, that would be his easiest route.

He aint going to kill superman superman would beat him actually it would be a fist fight and shit like that between them

Originally posted by Adult Swim Guy
He aint going to kill superman superman would beat him actually it would be a fist fight and shit like that between them

I could be wrong, but isn't SS capable of doing something to his blood/cells to negate Clark's power? Matter manipulation wise?

Team wins.

Superman is fast enough to distract Surfer. Sure Silver Surfer can drain the Solar energy out of Supes, or overdose him with red sun energy, but it is still not going to put Supes down fast enough before Thor & Kyle put Mjolnir & the Power Ring to good use and beat the Surfer fair and square.

We all know Surfer is THE top tier herald, but against Kyle, Thor & Supes together I think it's stupid if he were to win.

^^ agreed.

that said, it's actually more entertaining to think up ways in which he might be able to separate out the fighters and prevent them from ganging up on him... one such tactic being to utilise his speed advantage and get one of the fighters to chase him (or grab one and zoom out of range) so that he can defeat them one at a time...

again, you could turn it around and find lots of ways for the group to just destroy Surfer (say GL hands Superman or Thor or Hulk the ring!)...

Check this out the new fantastic 4 movie with surfer!
http://www.vmix.com/view.php?id=1995733&current_resourceid=1995733&type=video

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Team easilly, Thor alone can give surfer a run for his money.

Why is this thread still on? Surfer himself gave up on it already!

dude have u seen the new Fantastic four clip yet its bad ass surfer like kill's flame man

Team = overkill

it is

Surfer take out easely Sups and Hulk in seconds.

But he's crush by Thor and the GL

spite much?

team crushes him. 1000/10

Originally posted by leonidas
spite much?

team crushes him. 1000/10

Ditto.

Take out the GL and he might get a few wins but not a majority.