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There is another Jean vs. Storm thread but it was all about who hits first and who's powers work faster. I think Jean won the majority due to lightspeed attacks.

This time the fight starts with 5 second prep time and 1 mile apart so it won't be about who hits first or who's powers work faster anymore.

no phoenix.

Originally posted by psy_blade
There is another Jean vs. Storm thread but it was all about who hits first and who's powers work faster. I think Jean won the majority due to lightspeed attacks.

This time the fight starts with 5 second prep time and 1 mile apart so it won't be about who hits first or who's powers work faster anymore.

no phoenix.

jean grey

Mindrape ftw...

Jean still wins.

no power blitzing. 5 second prep enables both to create shields and protections against each other's attacks.

Originally posted by psy_blade
no power blitzing. 5 second prep enables both to create shields and protections against each other's attacks.

How will a pressure dome stop a psychic attack from Jean?

Originally posted by psy_blade
no power blitzing. 5 second prep enables both to create shields and protections against each other's attacks.

Of which Storm has none against mind rape.

But doesn't Storm's electricity make her telepathic resistant?

Actually, its all about who sees the other first. If storm spots Jean waliking along, she can fry her. It works both ways actually.

Originally posted by psy_blade
But doesn't Storm's electricity make her telepathic resistant?

Before the fanboys said that telepaths couldn't get to her due to her "indomitable will". She has shown resistance but not to someone on Jean's level throwing an all out assault at her.

Jean.

So sad for Storm.

Storm actually can throw off telepathic assaults using a lightning field.
http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncanny457scramblespoweot5.jpg




but still...Jean 10/10.

Storm 8/10

Storm can deflect tk with electrical fields and has warded off Xavier's TP just by actively emotionially using her powers.

She didn't die or was incapacitated by the "mind fry" by Emma in X-treme.

In that 5 sec "prep", Ororo is MORE than capable of creating an ample enough electrical field to block Jean's attaks, both telekenetically and telepathically.

They start 1 mi apart, so Storm is also capable of shielding her mind from being detected while she can cover mile in literally a split second. She can create hell for Jean on the ground. Storm can flash freeze the area of 1 mile killing Jean instantly. She could ionize the air as to electrocute Jean, she could create a vacuum to suffocate Jean etc. etc.

Scramble Jean's TK? Now I've heard that too.

For some reason you seem to think that TK can't work unless Jean can't use it directly on Storm. Telekinesis is the most versatile power there is. Jean can create barriers, bubbles, lift cars, create walls, empower her punches. Storm can throw everything she wants at Jean, and still won't hurt her.

Jean 10/10

Originally posted by llagrok
Scramble Jean's TK? Now I've heard that too.

For some reason you seem to think that TK can't work unless Jean can't use it directly on Storm. Telekinesis is the most versatile power there is. Jean can create barriers, bubbles, lift cars, create walls, empower her punches. Storm can throw everything she wants at Jean, and still won't hurt her.

Jean 10/10

All things Storm's winds can handle

Jeans has to breath. Jean's thoughts are also not faster than lightning.

They start 1 mile apart, Jean would not know where storm is, or what she is cooking up for that ass.

Jean-->

Originally posted by 2damnloud
All things Storm's winds can handle

Jeans has to breath. Jean's thoughts are also not faster than lightning.

They start 1 mile apart, Jean would not know where storm is, or what she is cooking up for that ass.

Jean-->

Like most people who knows their comics saw, wind doesn't penetrate nor move telekinetic walls. Go read up on your "New x-men academy x" and you'll see that Telekinetic walls stop the wind.

I was talking about the projectiles Jean would throw.

Jean is dead before she can do all that anyway. Storm doesn't have to cover that distance manually, she can flash freeze Jean with the quickness.

Jeans powers are virtually useless against storm.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
I was talking about the projectiles Jean would throw.

Jean is dead before she can do all that anyway. Storm doesn't have to cover that distance manually, she can flash freeze Jean with the quickness.

Jeans powers are virtually useless against storm.

If she can flash freeze, then Jean can mindrape her before she gets to do anything.

Let's not forget that creating illusions is VERY easy for telepaths. Storm can throw whatever she wants at Jean. Jean just has to create a bubble of box around herself and then crack Storm's bones or wreck havok inside her mind.

Originally posted by llagrok
If she can flash freeze, then Jean can mindrape her before she gets to do anything.

Let's not forget that creating illusions is VERY easy for telepaths. Storm can throw whatever she wants at Jean. Jean just has to create a bubble of box around herself and then crack Storm's bones or wreck havok inside her mind.

^

Jean is not doing ANY of that.

Storm can block TK with electrical fields and casually block TP with the natural state of her mind when her powers are not even active.

Jean would probably be dead before she can do anything hence the word FLASH freeze. If you've ever seen the movie "Day After Tommorow" when the guys step outside the helipcoter........

The 5 sec prep can be utilized by Ororo to create a thick fog all the while her thoughts are sheilded because her powers are active PLUS she woiuld be consciously doing so. Storm can then attack Jean faster than she can react. A positive Lightning blitz will be faster than Jean can think, and carry BILLIONS of volts of electricity from which I don't think Jean really has any realistic defense. She'd be litterally fried to a crisp in a nanosecond as Lightning can travel 90,000 miles per socond.

Again, Jean-->--> a nanosecond later

Jean's thought isn't faster than lightning.

But Jean's thought is faster than Storm's thought, plus lightning. doped.

Storm's mindraped 10/10.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm 8/10

Storm can deflect tk with electrical fields and has warded off Xavier's TP just by actively emotionially using her powers.

She didn't die or was incapacitated by the "mind fry" by Emma in X-treme.

In that 5 sec "prep", Ororo is MORE than capable of creating an ample enough electrical field to block Jean's attaks, both telekenetically and telepathically.

They start 1 mi apart, so Storm is also capable of shielding her mind from being detected while she can cover mile in literally a split second. She can create hell for Jean on the ground. Storm can flash freeze the area of 1 mile killing Jean instantly. She could ionize the air as to electrocute Jean, she could create a vacuum to suffocate Jean etc. etc. Oh so in a fight one person does all they can while the other stands there and does nothing? I wasn't aware of that. Good to know

Originally posted by Soljer
Jean's thought isn't faster than lightning.

But Jean's thought is faster than Storm's thought, plus lightning. doped.

Storm's mindraped 10/10.

Storm can't be "mind raped"
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/6711/xtremexmen22p17hgwellsat9.th.jpg
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3903/xtremexmen22p20hgwellsgi7.th.jpg
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/5376/xtremexmen23p16hgwellsmz5.th.jpg
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/2743/xtremexmen22p07hgwellska0.th.jpg

Blocking TK with an Electrical Field

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1903/xmenunlimited0736ab0.th.jpg
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1171/xmenunlimited0737os1.th.jpg
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3118/xmenunlimited0738vi1.th.jpg

The woman she is fighting is Candra, a very power Telekenetic. On wiki it said she can use TK at a molecular level.

Ororo blocked her TK assault with an electrical field. She can do the same to Jean.

Storm's warrior, she hands Jean her ARSE

Originally posted by Soljer
Jean's thought isn't faster than lightning.

But Jean's thought is faster than Storm's thought, plus lightning. doped.

Storm's mindraped 10/10.

Exactly.

I don't even know why us smart people are still even trying to convince the others otherwise. It's clear they're just being stubborn for the fun of it. No one is THAT ignorant.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm can't be "mind raped"
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/6711/xtremexmen22p17hgwellsat9.th.jpg
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3903/xtremexmen22p20hgwellsgi7.th.jpg
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/5376/xtremexmen23p16hgwellsmz5.th.jpg
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/2743/xtremexmen22p07hgwellska0.th.jpg

Blocking TK with an Electrical Field

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1903/xmenunlimited0736ab0.th.jpg
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1171/xmenunlimited0737os1.th.jpg
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3118/xmenunlimited0738vi1.th.jpg

The woman she is fighting is Candra, a very power Telekenetic. On wiki it said she can use TK at a molecular level.

Ororo blocked her TK assault with an electrical field. She can do the same to Jean.

Storm's warrior, she hands Jean her ARSE

Hahah! She's combating against tangible, psychic energy. That's swell and all, but she doesn't appear to be battling any sort of TK at all. Any time during that bout, Candra could've crushed Storm. But, like most villians, she got cocky and merely tried to overcome Storm with her bubble of psychic energy.

And that Emma scene has been countered so many times we should set drinks on it.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Exactly.

I don't even know why us smart people are still even trying to convince the others otherwise. It's clear they're just being stubborn for the fun of it. No one is THAT ignorant.

Sure they are

the more we argue with them, the more validated and polarized they become in their opinions.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Hahah! She's combating against tangible, psychic energy. That's swell and all, but she doesn't appear to be battling any sort of TK at all. Any time during that bout, Candra could've crushed Storm. But, like most villians, she got cocky and merely tried to overcome Storm with her bubble of psychic energy.

And that Emma scene has been countered so many times we should set drinks on it.

^

I was PRAYING someone would bring that up

It's TK. It's how the artist chose to express somethin formess-- through a pink energy.

If you notice in the last Scan, Jean stopped the knife with the same pink energy which is essentially TK as it is expressed in this comic.

Candra uses TK here

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2002/xmenunlimited0705cu0.th.jpg

Jean uses TK here, the caption even SAYS what it is.

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7189/xmenunlimited0714vf6.th.jpg

Jean uses it again here to Stop Storm

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/6888/xmenunlimited0722bs2.th.jpg

Here AGAIN

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4046/xmenunlimited0723lq9.th.jpg

In the Emma Scene, Emma used a mind fry on Storm. It only caused her discomfort, It did not incapacitate her let alone KILL her.

Even Xavier can't hardly get into her mind without pain when her powers are active.

If she doesn't want a telepath in her mind, they're not gettin in. Your case is officially dismissed. Storm OWNS Jean just like in the other thread.

AH hell, Storm 10/10

Jean 9/10 but only because she feels bad for Storm that one time.

Originally posted by yer
Jean 9/10 but only because she feels bad for Storm that one time.

In your DREAMS

There's NOTHING Jean can do to Ororo, ESPECIALLY under these circumstances.

Storm 10/10

Originally posted by 2damnloud
^

I was PRAYING someone would bring that up

It's TK. It's how the artist chose to express somethin formess-- through a pink energy.

If you notice in the last Scan, Jean stopped the knife with the same pink energy which is essentially TK as it is expressed in this comic.

Candra uses TK here

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2002/xmenunlimited0705cu0.th.jpg

Jean uses TK here, the caption even SAYS what it is.

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7189/xmenunlimited0714vf6.th.jpg

Jean uses it again here to Stop Storm

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/6888/xmenunlimited0722bs2.th.jpg

Here AGAIN

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4046/xmenunlimited0723lq9.th.jpg

Also, all this NOTWITHSTANDING Telekenisis being Candra's MAIN POWER

@the desperation.

LOL@ Storm vs. Jean. Jean Grey is far below Storm's category. Storm>Exodus. Jean is nothing to either of them.

storm kills grey

Originally posted by Rutog98
LOL@ Storm vs. Jean. Jean Grey is far below Storm's category. Storm>Exodus. Jean is nothing to either of them.

OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!

Storm above Exodus, are you in your right mind?

I always think they are evenly matched like Polaris against Storm with Jean more on the offensive and Storm on the defensive, and also with their power output. Storm can probably affect weather on a global scale and Jean can also probably affect the the minds of people on a global scale if Magneto hadn't mess with the magnetic fields.

yeah...storm loses. big time. this is one of those cases where fanboys use a characters four or five absolute highest showings, exclusively. storm is not a global class power. at all.

Jean. 10/10.

Originally posted by manorastroman
yeah...storm loses. big time. this is one of those cases where fanboys use a characters four or five absolute highest showings, exclusively. storm is not a global class power. at all.

What are Jean's highest showings? I can't think of any high showing of Jean without getting all phoenix but I still think regular Jean and Storm are a match in power output.

pre-phoenix she was lifting 50 tons telekinetically. imagine all that force centered, say...on storm's face?

Storm outpowers Jean badly and she outpowers Polaris badly.

But Storm herself said in one of their fights that she and Polaris are too evenly matched. She only won because she went all out while Polaris wasn't. The other time they fought where Storm won isn't counted because she had help from Jean. And Jean, marvel cemented her status as a very powerful telepath second only to Exavier. I think that is one of the things that don't need any scans to prove right, it just is, and her tk is also among the strongest in marvel. So they are all pretty much equal in their powers.

I said Jean vs. Storm out loud really fast and it sounded like "JeanStorm"....which is a great image when you concentrate on it.

An ecclectic whirlwind of jeans! So much so as to be categorized as a storm! Such awesomeness!

Originally posted by 2damnloud
I'm sorry to break this to you, but.......Jean Died already
Nice-an arbitrary and irrelevant comment because the truth of what I said cannot be debunked.

Thanks.

This is a silly fight. In order for Jean to shut down Storm's powers telepathically, she would first have to reach into her mind. This would be true for ANY TP assault. STorm can keep out JEan easily.

Also, while I'm at it, Candra's TK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jean's TK.

LOL! She is a telepath. This means she has to enter your mind to do anything to you. Keep her out, and her TP is useless.

Originally posted by Rutog98
LOL! She is a telepath. This means she has to enter your mind to do anything to you. Keep her out, and her TP is useless.
Stop dodging. I've provided on panel evidence to support my claims. Where's yours? Put up or shut.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
Stop dodging. I've provided on panel evidence to support my claims. Where's yours? Put up or shut.

I'm not dodging anything. That crowd had no defense against telepathic attacks. Storm has been trained how to deal with them, she has an indomitable will (arguably the strongest on the planet) and she has that electrical field in her brain that impedes TP intrusion.

You don't want to start claiming Storm has faster reflexes. I've got a few scans that say otherwise.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/apocstorm.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/apoc2jpg.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/apocstorm2.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/__hr_Uncanny20X-Men2029520-20X-C-1.jpg

Don't play this game, Storm is not Omega level, she's not cosmic, she's not even high meta as far as I know.

Originally posted by Rutog98
I'm not dodging anything. That crowd had no defense against telepathic attacks. Storm has been trained how to deal with them, she has an indomitable will (arguably the strongest on the planet) and she has that electrical field in her brain that impedes TP intrusion.
You're making an assumption. You don't know that all of the people in that crowd were human, or that none of them had ever encountered TPs before. You have nothing to go on. You have YET to prove that TPs cannot control someone's powers against their will, whereas I've provided more than enough examples. Sure Storm has been trained, but Jean IS an omega TP. Betsy was still able to prevent her from accessing her powers.

Give us proof of what you believe, not just theories and allegations.

You've got to be ****ing kidding me.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
You've got to be ****ing kidding me.

About which side of the argument?

Or just the thread as a concept?

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
You're making an assumption. You don't know that all of the people in that crowd were human, or that none of them had ever encountered TPs before. You have nothing to go on. You have YET to prove that TPs cannot control someone's powers against their will, whereas I've provided more than enough examples. Sure Storm has been trained, but Jean IS an omega TP. Betsy was still able to prevent her from accessing her powers.

Give us proof of what you believe, not just theories and allegations.

No, you have to prove that they had defenses against TP's. Most people do not. The burden of proof is on you.

Maybe that's it's gone 3 pages? hmm

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Maybe that's it's gone 3 pages? hmm

Exactly. Storm>Jean. Its easy.

Originally posted by Rutog98
No, you have to prove that they had defenses against TP's. Most people do not. The burden of proof is on you.

Have you seen what happen to people on MarvelEarth?

Seriously surving being in the mind of the average citizen on MarvelEarth is a great feat.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Have you seen what happen to people on MarvelEarth?

Seriously surving being in the mind of the average citizen on MarvelEarth is a great feat.

We are talking Storm, here. She has been a match and for the likes of Shadow King, the White Queen, The Entity (who defeated Magneto and Rachel boosted by the PF), etc.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
About which side of the argument?

Or just the thread as a concept?

The fact that people actually think Storm has a chance.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
The fact that people actually think Storm has a chance.

Yeah that was most people's reaction.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
The fact that people actually think Storm has a chance.

You can't provide any evidence to the contrary.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
The fact that people actually think Storm has a chance.

It's pretty much just Rutog and 2damnloud arguing for Storm. Everyone else is either making fun of them or staring in shock at their arguements.

Storm can block every attack Jean hopes to offer and deliver more punishment much quicker than Jean.

An electrical Field takes care of TK and TP. What does Jean really have

Originally posted by 2damnloud
An electrical Field takes care of T k and TP.

So Shocker is immune it TK and TP?

And what exactly is the precedent for electricity stopping TK?

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm can't be "mind raped"
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/6711/xtremexmen22p17hgwellsat9.th.jpg
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3903/xtremexmen22p20hgwellsgi7.th.jpg
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/5376/xtremexmen23p16hgwellsmz5.th.jpg
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/2743/xtremexmen22p07hgwellska0.th.jpg

Blocking TK with an Electrical Field

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1903/xmenunlimited0736ab0.th.jpg
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1171/xmenunlimited0737os1.th.jpg
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3118/xmenunlimited0738vi1.th.jpg

The woman she is fighting is Candra, a very power Telekenetic. On wiki it said she can use TK at a molecular level.

Ororo blocked her TK assault with an electrical field. She can do the same to Jean.

Storm's warrior, she hands Jean her ARSE

What can storm do to stop jean from thinking her head is no longer connected to her body? Because Jean can do that faster than Storm can do anything.

A) I see blasting not an TK attack on Storm's body

B) Storm explicitly says she IS NOT A GOD in those scans

Originally posted by Nataku8188
What can storm do to stop jean from thinking her head is no longer connected to her body? Because Jean can do that faster than Storm can do anything.

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/2743/xtremexmen22p07hgwellska0.th.jpg

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A) I see blasting not an TK attack on Storm's body

B) Storm explicitly says she IS NOT A GOD in those scans

It's TK

Uhm, she wouldn't be in storms mind at all, she'd be physically ripping her head from her body.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Uhm, she wouldn't be in storms mind at all, she'd be physically ripping her head from her body.

With TK that Storm can Block.

Fight continues

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t49/SymmetricChaos/xmenunlimited0737os1.jpg

and that says what??

Originally posted by 2damnloud
and that says what??

STORM IS NOT A GOD!

ACCORDING TO HER OWN ADMISSION!

I AM GOING TO POST THAT EVERY TIME YOU SAY SHE'S A GOD!

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
STORM IS NOT A GOD!

ACCORDING TO HER OWN ADMISSION!

I AM GOING TO POST THAT EVERY TIME YOU SAY SHE'S A GOD!

Never said she says she a GOD, I say she is.

In X-treme issue 5 she says she's not a Goddess YET, only in a name.

I recognize potential when I see it

Move on

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Never said she says she a GOD, I say she is.

In X-treme issue 5 she says she's not a Goddess YET, only in a name.

I recognize potential when I see it

Move on

She is simply a woman

How does storm stop Jean From tearing her head off? There is no possible way she can defend against that. A forcfield constructed flat and straight through her neck, bam, she's dead.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
She is simply a woman

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/1328/ext5pg12va2.th.jpg

Fast forward to here where she says she's not there YET. She's on her way though

It's fits what we've said, "she will transcend......."

She's a 3-D goddess(human, x-man, and infinitely powerful) all at the same time.

She's a cool ass character

Originally posted by Nataku8188
How does storm stop Jean From tearing her head off? There is no possible way she can defend against that. A forcfield constructed flat and straight through her neck, bam, she's dead.

Can I see a scan please???

Originally posted by Rutog98
I'm not dodging anything. That crowd had no defense against telepathic attacks. Storm has been trained how to deal with them, she has an indomitable will (arguably the strongest on the planet) and she has that electrical field in her brain that impedes TP intrusion.

Hah... "(arguably) the strongest will on the planet".

Magneto's will alone puts hers to shame.

And there's a BIG difference between resisting telepathic CONTROL and being attacked with a telepathic psi-blast.

If at any time, if any DECENT telepath wanted to do so, Storm would be dead/KOed/incapacitated.

Little known fact: Storm does not operate very well at all when all motor functions and thought processes are instantly eliminated.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Hah... "(arguably) the strongest will on the planet".

Magneto's will alone puts hers to shame.

And there's a BIG difference between resisting telepathic CONTROL and being attacked with a telepathic psi-blast.

If at any time, if any DECENT telepath wanted to do so, Storm would be dead/KOed/incapacitated.

Little known fact: Storm does not operate very well at all when all motor functions and thought processes are instantly eliminated.

Storm>>>>>Magneto in the wills department.

Psi blast doesn't work. Emma tried it in Schism.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/1328/ext5pg12va2.th.jpg

Fast forward to here where she says she's not there YET. She's on her way though

It's fits what we've said, "she will transcend......."

She's a 3-D goddess(human, x-man, and infinitely powerful) all at the same time.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t49/SymmetricChaos/xmenunlimited0737os1.jpg

Read where she says she's not a God and that she only pretended to be one.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
She's a cool ass character

No one ever denied that. Actually I think Storm has one of the coolest and most powerful abilities of any Xmen

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm>>>>>Magneto in the wills department.

Psi blast doesn't work. Emma tried it in Schism.



Oh, I know. I have the comic. Seemed quite effective to me.

http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xtremexmen22p17hgwellsat9.jpg

Would you care to tell me why Storm decided to plummet a few hundred feet to the ground by her own free will? When she's still recovering from previous injuries?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t49/SymmetricChaos/xmenunlimited0737os1.jpg

Read where she says she's not a God and that she only pretended to be one.



No one ever denied that. Actually I think Storm has one of the coolest and most powerful abilities of any Xmen

Yea, but Claremont she IS one. She said she's not one in Unlimited. In X-treme she say's she's not one YET.

It's progression. She's moving closer to God-hood.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Yea, but Claremont she IS one. She said she's not one in Unlimited. In X-treme she say's she's not one YET.

It's progression. She's moving closer to God-hood.

So she's not a god

And note the statement that she is "simply a woman"

God =/= "simply a woman"

Potential to be a god =/= "simply a woman"

I'm just going to cut and paste. I have dealt with Storm/TP already:

Here is a post I did months ago on this board. I don't have all of the scans to back it up, but I have some of them. It is dealing with Storm vs. telepaths:
Okay, I am going to give a run down of Storm's history here and how her growth as a character was reflected in her growth in willpower as well.

When Storm first came into being, she was a very powerful as a mutant, but was easily bested by telepathy. While she could resist to a limited extent, a psi like the White Queen or Mesmero could easily best her. Hence in the Dark Phoenix Saga, Emma bested Storm, Wolverine and Colossus. After capturing the X-Men, she subjected Storm to mental torture and ripped through her mind. Ororo still tried to resist, but she was not strong enough.

Stay with me.

Upon the death of Jean Grey, Cyclops was changed. He left the team thus a new leader was required. Storm was appointed the role. This brought about major changes in the Storm character. She had misgivings at first, but she grew into the role and became much more confident and self-assured. Her willpower grew apace. One of the things CC did to establish this was her confrontation with the White Queen in Uncanny 151 and 152. I did not want to go into this earlier in this debate since it would have taken a lot of time to do so and I was feeling kind of lazy. lol. Anyway, there is more to this that my opponent on the interpretation of Uncanny 152 is seeing. Emma Frost's comment ot Ororo about her not being able to resist her TP came from the history of the two women during the Dark Phoenix Saga. Emma had ripped through Ororo's mind and tortured her. Emma was confident that she could kill Ororo in that fight. Storm banished or "killed" that storm in Uncanny 152. She stated how the storm will only be a memory by morning. Emma then stated that Ororo will be a memory as well and proceeded to mind attack her. In other words, Emma was going for the kill. She was not saying, "You will only be a memory tomorrow because I am going to give you a new personality and make you my servant." That interpretation is laughable at best. Keep in mind that the White Queen not only has a deep hatred for Ororo (which Storm definately returns in full if not greater measure), but she was very angry about losing the power to command the forces of nature. She prefered it greatly over mere telepathy. This was the first issue where we saw Storm best a psi. I believe that CC purposely used the White Queen to establish this since Emma is a much stronger character than Mesmero and was the first psi to truly best Ororo in the past. (Mesmero enslaved the entire team including a Phoenix-possessed Jean who was obviously a much stronger psi. Though the details of how he accomplished this feat was never revealed, he had to do it by surprise.) Emma was the perfect choice to reflect the change since what happened in the DP Saga was still afresh in everyone's mind. It gets people to take notice.

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4168/stormvsemma46rs.th.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/3610/stormvsemma51ug.th.jpg

Then in Uncanny 159, you have the iron-willed Dracula. Not only does he have hypnotic powers, but he ambushed Storm and bit her. In biting a person, he gains a tremendous amount of control over them as they are affected by his vampirism. Add this to his hypnosis, and you really have quite an advasary. Well, eventhough Ororo was bitten, she still got up the willpower to best Dracula twice. He considered this impossible for anyone and was unable to regain control. Regrettably, I do not have scans for this...

There is another story circa Uncanny 211 where Storm is powerless. Malice attempts to gain control over Storm, but she proves to be too strong for her.
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/5452/malicea2tf.th.jpg

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6464/maliceb4sv.th.jpg


Storm's willpower was on a constant growth curve. by 1986, her willpower was stated to be the strongest of the X-Men. MAgneto was present in the story as he was on her team and on the page right before this. At the bottom of the page where this is stated, all of the X-Men's faces were shown. Magneto's was one of them. Keep in mind in Uncanny 150, Magneto's will was stated to be second to none.

In X-Men: Heroes for Hope, she once more proved her mettle as she was the only X-Man who bested The Entity. The Entity defeated Rachel with the Phoenix Force and Magneto. This is a tremendous show of will on Storm's part.

In New Mutants issue 34, Shadow King possessed Karma. This means that he not only had his abilities, but Karma's as well added to it. Even despite this, while Storm was powerless, the two fought. Though Shadow King plus Karma won, he stated that it was a near victory as she nearly bested him.

There was another issue where Psylocke, boosted by Cerebro, was unable to locate Storm or even establish TP contact with her. She shielded her mind from Betsy.

By the time we get into the mid 200s, Storm's will had grown so strong that it was impossible to control. Hence, nanny had to regress her to a child which resulted in her getting partial amnesia and weakened her powers. This made her more prone to control. However, even in this state, Storm proved to be enormously strong willed. Circa Uncanny 264-267, Shadow King assaulted her mind. Child-Storm proved to be strong enough to fight it off and struck him with a bolt of lightning.

(As a side note, Magneto and Shadow King fought off panel. Magneto won the fight, but it was a very costly victory for him.)

By the time we reach Uncanny 277, Storm and the X-Men were assaulted by the Warskrull who had the combined power of Xavier, Psylocke and Oracle. Warskrull was not interested in mind-controlling Storm in this issue. He wanted to kill her. He mind blasted the team in order to immobolize them. The others fell instantly, but Storm was too strong. He was barely able to hold her and stated that given time, she would break his hold. Therefore, he wanted Lilandra to chop off her head while he was still able to subdue Ororo. Obviously, he was not trying to read her thoughts here or make a slave out of her. So once more, the Jean fans argument that willpower can only fight mind reading and mental control is blown out of the water. He stated that he had never encountered so indomitable a will in a foe save for maybe Xavier. (In other words, it isquestionable if even Xavier's will is as strong as Storm's.)

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/6580/telepathicresist4jz.th.jpg


During this time, Storm was going through her "Punk" stages. She was also finding true love for the first time in her life with Forge. Her outfits and looks were changing as frequently as the weather which reflected her changes of character.

After this, we have 7 years where Lobdell/Kelly/Seagle wrote and had every telepath from a lowly telepaths on up easily attack Storm's mind. The stripped her of her indomitable will.

However, after their run, Alan Davis came back and reestablished her indomitable will in the issue where the team tried to convince Galactus not to devour a planet populated by the Skrull.

CC then came back soon afterwards and eventually added to Storm the added protection against telepaths her electricity. We see in Schism where Bogan, a telepath strong enough to block Xavier while Xavier is boosted by Cerebra and sink his hooks into a telepath as powerful as Emma without her notice even takes possession of Rachel. Not only does he have his own immense powers, but Rachel's as well added to it. Storm and the X-Men battle Bogan-Rachel and his cronies. Storm positions herself to be the target of the telepath. When Bogan-Rachel attacks her mind, STorm smiles and states, "Do you know what happens to a telepath who enters my mind uninvited?" The electricity in her then fries Bogan-Rachel and takes him/her out of the fight.

Here are the Storm vs. Bogan/Rachel scans:
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/3608/stormvsbogan7kj.th.jpg

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/2223/stormvsbogan20lj.th.jpg

In the same story, here is Storm and Prof. X chatting. He comments on how her lightning hurts him when he just tries to talk to her via TP:
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4593/psiscramble5yk.th.jpg


Now that I have posted this, I would recommend that the guy who tried to post all of those scans not take the time to post the issue numbers for his rebuttle. I have firmly established with this post that Jean Grey cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, defeat Storm via her TP. She is no Bogan and certainly no Bogan-Rachel. She is no Shadow King or Xavier or Warskrull. Trying to post issues where Storm is hurt by a Morlock telepath is just plain silly as it is obviously a writing the character down. If we were discussing a strength character, if I brought up a number of issues where he/she can lift 18-wheel trucks, don't try and refute the evidence by bringing up issues where the character can't even lift a car. It would not have any credence.

Originally posted by Metalmanx


Oh, I know. I have the comic. Seemed quite effective to me.

http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xtremexmen22p17hgwellsat9.jpg

Would you care to tell me why Storm decided to plummet a few hundred feet to the ground by her own free will? When she's still recovering from previous injuries?



She was off guard it STUNNED her. It did not incapacitate her let alone KILL her.

More than that is needed.

Emma then tried this behavior modification crap. Storm answered with:
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3903/xtremexmen22p20hgwellsgi7.th.jpg
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/8863/xtremexmen22p21hgwellsje4.th.jpg
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7653/xtremexmen22p22hgwellscw2.th.jpg

Imagine Storm hurling a Steal speare at Jean at speed exceeding the speed of Sound

This is ridiculous. We're back where we were witht the previous Jean Grey/Storm thread. It's an impasse with a couple holdouts, Storm fanboys that don't want to admit the truth. Of course Storm is written down, but no other character is ever written down.

Give me a freaking break. Nothing is getting through Jean's TK shield. Scans have been posted that showed Storm unable to get through Candra's shield. What the heck is she going to do to Jean when she can't get thorugh her shield? What's to prevent Jean from flying miles away and severing Storm's brain stem?

I'll tell you what--fans that refuse to see the truth.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
She was off guard it STUNNED her. It did not incapacitate her let alone KILL her.

More than that is needed.

Emma then tried this behavior modification crap. Storm answered with:
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3903/xtremexmen22p20hgwellsgi7.th.jpg
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/8863/xtremexmen22p21hgwellsje4.th.jpg
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7653/xtremexmen22p22hgwellscw2.th.jpg

Imagine Storm hurling a Steal speare at Jean at speed exceeding the speed of Sound



Don't worry, you don't need to tell me what happens. I just told you--I OWN that comic.

Now, if you had read my previous post, I even made a note of saying that Storm is highly resistant to telepathic CONTROL. However, she is just as susceptible to psychic attacks such as psi-bolts/blasts, etc. as everyone else is.

Caught off guard or not, it doesn't change the fact that Storm went down. And she went down hard. Regardless of what she does to Emma afterwards, Storm still went down from one psi-blast.

But I'm merely debating because I enjoy it. I know that you're not actually serious about nearly 100% of what you say. But it's cool.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Don't worry, you don't need to tell me what happens. I just told you--I OWN that comic.

Now, if you had read my previous post, I even made a note of saying that Storm is highly resistant to telepathic CONTROL. However, she is just as susceptible to psychic attacks such as psi-bolts/blasts, etc. as everyone else is.

Caught off guard or not, it doesn't change the fact that Storm went down. And she went down hard. Regardless of what she does to Emma afterwards, Storm still went down from one psi-blast.

But I'm merely debating because I enjoy it. I know that you're not actually serious about nearly 100% of what you say. But it's cool.

My point was a Psi blast will not be the deciding factor in this fight.

Good show Rutog98

Show them

It's the lightining in her brain

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
This is ridiculous. We're back where we were witht the previous Jean Grey/Storm thread. It's an impasse with a couple holdouts, Storm fanboys that don't want to admit the truth. Of course Storm is written down, but no other character is ever written down.

Give me a freaking break. Nothing is getting through Jean's TK shield. Scans have been posted that showed Storm unable to get through Candra's shield. What the heck is she going to do to Jean when she can't get thorugh her shield? What's to prevent Jean from flying miles away and severing Storm's brain stem?

I'll tell you what--fans that refuse to see the truth.

She did get thru Cnadra's TK shield, thats why 1,2 comboed her

telepathy aside, telekinetic shields and blasts are telekinetic constructs, they are totally different then using telekinesis to manipulate the bodily functions of a target, when used to manipulate objects telekinesis exists as a quasi-tangible psonic force, when used for blasts and shields it is given definite solidity. No amount of lightning can stop a force that can be used to manipulate matter unseen. If Jean wants Storm to have a heart attack or stroke she will, telekinesis=action follows thought.

Originally posted by LordKaos
telepathy aside, telekinetic shields and blasts are telekinetic constructs, they are totally different then using telekinesis to manipulate the bodily functions of a target, when used to manipulate objects telekinesis exists as a quasi-tangible psonic force, when used for blasts and shields it is given definite solidity. No amount of lightning can stop a force that can be used to manipulate matter unseen. If Jean wants Storm to have a heart attack or stroke she will, telekinesis=action follows thought.

Been over this already.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
^

I was PRAYING someone would bring that up

It's TK. It's how the artist chose to express somethin formess-- through a pink energy.

If you notice in the last Scan, Jean stopped the knife with the same pink energy which is essentially TK as it is expressed in this comic.

Candra uses TK here

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2002/xmenunlimited0705cu0.th.jpg

Jean uses TK here, the caption even SAYS what it is.

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7189/xmenunlimited0714vf6.th.jpg

Jean uses it again here to Stop Storm

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/6888/xmenunlimited0722bs2.th.jpg

Here AGAIN

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4046/xmenunlimited0723lq9.th.jpg

we've been over your same scans before too so I figured what the hell.

Originally posted by LordKaos
we've been over your same scans before too so I figured what the hell.

Yet no counter argument has been produced, therefore Storm can block TK with Electricity.

By the way, Candra is probably shutting off that guys powers with molecular-level TK. I read she could do that on WIKI

"Candra's mutant ability is telekinesis, the ability to move objects with the mind.

Candra can use this ability at a molecular level and often uses it to activate latent mutant genes in an individual, granting them active mutant powers. She has also implied that, once given, she can also take these abilities away, presumably by returning the appropriate genes to their latent states. She also uses this ability to heal herself and, apparently, to stave off the aging process."

Because we all know how viable a source of information WIKI is.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Until someone can come up with a viable scientific explaination for TK



Do you have a viable scientific explaination for weather manipulation?

That was jean without Phoenix it was telepath only Jean she was using Phoenix imagery because she was using the code name.

Originally posted by LordKaos
That was jean without Phoenix it was telepath only Jean she was using Phoenix imagery because she was using the code name.

".......and why electricity doesn't block it....."

context please

Your a fan of Wiki look up tk there is viable scientific study of it. Its a matter of being a skeptic or not. And there is definitely scientific study of tk and psionics in the marvel universe , tk can block lightning and any other form of matter and energy the way they understand it there.

Why is this thread even here?

TK scientific explanation is based on Psions, subatomic particles which interact with the environment including the 4 types of fundemental force. Psions like domains in magnetism are unlimited in potential numbers and threrefore effect.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
".......and why electricity doesn't block it....."

context please

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Jean without Phoenix.

Until someone can come up with a viable scientific explaination for TK, and why electricity doesn't block it, Storm can block it.

Translation: I've got no real defense so I'm going to pull one out of my ass!

jean easily

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Translation: I've got no real defense so I'm going to pull one out of my ass!

Wow. That made me look at your sig like . . . instantly.

Originally posted by zozo_yoyo_xoxo
Why is this thread even here?

TK scientific explanation is based on Psions, subatomic particles which interact with the environment including the 4 types of fundemental force. Psions like domains in magnetism are unlimited in potential numbers and threrefore effect.

Source

Electricity doesn't block this because.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Source

Electricity doesn't block this because.

Look up the term psion and theoretical subatomic particle, it's common knowledge. Most reputable scientists think it's stupid but some don't.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Jean without Phoenix.

Until someone can come up with a viable scientific explaination for TK, and why electricity doesn't block it, Storm can block it.

http://www.llbbl.com/data/RPG-motivational/images/denial.jpg

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
http://www.llbbl.com/data/RPG-motivational/images/denial.jpg

lol

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
http://www.llbbl.com/data/RPG-motivational/images/denial.jpg

You just got owned by hotlinking :-\

Originally posted by zozo_yoyo_xoxo
Look up the term psion and theoretical subatomic particle, it's common knowledge. Most reputable scientists think it's stupid but some don't.

Ok, using THEORETICAL science to explain the paranormal??

In that issue, Storm used and electrical field to block it. No amount of straw-grasping will change that.

And to think people jumped on me for saying Storm's powers work on a quantum level.

Jesus flaming Christ. It's these pictures that you are heralding, right?
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1903/xmenunlimited0736ab0.jpg
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3118/xmenunlimited0738vi1.jpg
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1171/xmenunlimited0737os1.jpg

You DO realize that she is blocking Chandra's telekinetic BLAST with the field? Like, ENERGY? Chandra wasn't trying to rip her brains off, she was blasting an energy blast at her. That proves NOTHING. It's not different of Invisible Woman blocking a blast from a TK, but that doesn't mean that she can stop them from applying telekinesis to her body.

Next time, show Storm stopping EFFECTS of APPLYING telekinesis instead of existing energy which EVERY SINGLE FORCE FIELD WIELDER CAN DO.

I swear, every time I think that you have achieved the pinnacle of retardness you top it with the next post.

you can only use theoretical science to explain the paranormal, theoretical science is used to explain all things that are unfounded like lightning blocking tk as a quasi-tangible psionic force

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Jesus flaming Christ. It's these pictures that you are heralding, right?
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1903/xmenunlimited0736ab0.jpg
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3118/xmenunlimited0738vi1.jpg
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1171/xmenunlimited0737os1.jpg

You DO realize that she is blocking Chandra's telekinetic BLAST with the field? Like, ENERGY? Chandra wasn't trying to rip her brains off, she was blasting an energy blast at her. That proves NOTHING. It's not different of Invisible Woman blocking a blast from a TK, but that doesn't mean that she can stop them from applying telekinesis to her body.

Next time, show Storm stopping EFFECTS of APPLYING telekinesis instead of existing energy which EVERY SINGLE FORCE FIELD WIELDER CAN DO.

I swear, every time I think that you have achieved the pinnacle of retardness you top it with the next post.

and @ this bitchfest

A.G.A.I.N

Originally posted by 2damnloud
^

I was PRAYING someone would bring that up

It's TK. It's how the artist chose to express somethin formless-- through a pink energy.

If you notice in the last Scan, Jean stopped the knife with the same pink energy which is essentially TK as it is expressed in this comic.

Candra uses TK here

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2002/xmenunlimited0705cu0.th.jpg

Jean uses TK here, the caption even SAYS what it is.

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7189/xmenunlimited0714vf6.th.jpg

Jean uses it again here to Stop Storm

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/6888/xmenunlimited0722bs2.th.jpg

Here AGAIN

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4046/xmenunlimited0723lq9.th.jpg

Is a psy blast/bolt homing? Because if it is something you can dodge, Storm can just fly around dodging Jean's blasts and will just fly and follow her and it'll be a cool dogfight.

Originally posted by psy_blade
Is a psy blast/bolt homing? Because if it is something you can dodge, Storm can just fly around dodging Jean's blasts and will just fly and follow her and it'll be a cool dogfight.

You can dodge psi-blasts. In the final issue of the Firestar limited series, Firestar dodged the White Queen's mind blasts.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler

You DO realize that she is blocking Chandra's telekinetic BLAST with the field? Like, ENERGY? Chandra wasn't trying to rip her brains off, she was blasting an energy blast at her. That proves NOTHING. It's not different of Invisible Woman blocking a blast from a TK, but that doesn't mean that she can stop them from applying telekinesis to her body.

Next time, show Storm stopping EFFECTS of APPLYING telekinesis instead of existing energy which EVERY SINGLE FORCE FIELD WIELDER CAN DO.

I swear, every time I think that you have achieved the pinnacle of retardness you top it with the next post.

Here is your problem: Jean's TK has to be able to reach Storm's body to do harm to it directly. That electrical field can block psionic energy. Heck, Storm's electricity can even stop TP.

Except Storm herself has said that TK interferes her powers. So we have a character herself describing her limits and fanboys stating otherwise...

Originally posted by 2damnloud
and @ this bitchfest

A.G.A.I.N

Please. You are actually trying to use ARTISTIC FREEDOM as proof?

hysterical

Jean doesn't fire ENERGY to objects to move them. Just because the artist draws the telekinetic effect like that (other artists draw telekinetic effect differently in case you don't know it), it doesn't mean that it is the exact same thing as blasting a tangible blast of energy at someone. Jean isn't using tangible energy to move stuff.

I am not surprised at all that you can't understand it though.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
Except Storm herself has said that TK interferes her powers. So we have a character herself describing her limits and fanboys stating otherwise...

You must be a Jean stan huh??

Originally posted by 2damnloud
You must be a Jean stan huh??

What the hell did you just say?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What the hell did you just say?
I dunno...must be Kiswahili.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Please. You are actually trying to use ARTISTIC FREEDOM as proof?

hysterical

Jean doesn't fire ENERGY to objects to move them. Just because the artist draws the telekinetic effect like that (other artists draw telekinetic effect differently in case you don't know it), it doesn't mean that it is the exact same thing as blasting a tangible blast of energy at someone. Jean isn't using tangible energy to move stuff.

I am not surprised at all that you can't understand it though.

So an artist drawing a "TK effect" a certain way in this instance doesn't mean it's TK??? So you admit that they are expressing a TK effect through the art, yet it's not TK??

Oooookkkkk















Desperation

Originally posted by 2damnloud
So an artist drawing a "TK effect" a certain way in this instance doesn't mean it's TK??? So you admit that they are expressing a TK effect, yet it's not TK??

Oooookkkkk















Desperation

Read my post again. But hey, I try to put it as simply as I can.

Telekinetic energy blast isn't the same thing as moving objects telekinetically.

I THINK that can be understood with people that have IQ under 70, but with you, you can never be entirely sure.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
I dunno...must be Kiswahili.

Stan- an obsessed fan of someone or something ala Eminem's song "Stan".

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
Except Storm herself has said that TK interferes her powers. So we have a character herself describing her limits and fanboys stating otherwise...

That was PIS. She has used her powers through both Jean's and Invisible Woman's force-field. Just to point something out here, Jean can't use her powers through IW's force-field, but Ororo can.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
So an artist drawing a "TK effect" a certain way in this instance doesn't mean it's TK??? So you admit that they are expressing a TK effect through the art, yet it's not TK??

Oooookkkkk















Desperation

That's not what Crawler suggested at all, which proves his point that you cannot grasp the concept.

there are instances when Jean has used telekinesis with only a pink aura emanating from her head and what she is manipulating simply being illuminated by the same aura without an energy trail. The fact that they show a trail of energy in regards to tk or tp is for show as these energies are invisible, that's why many but not all instances of tk blasts are projected through the hands to show the distinction. The only person I have ever seen block a direct tk blast from Jean was Xman when he was protecting maddie from her this is a case of an equal or greater psionic force countering another.

Originally posted by Rutog98
That was PIS. She has used her powers through both Jean's and Invisible Woman's force-field. Just to point something out here, Jean can't use her powers through IW's force-field, but Ororo can.
It's only PIS when you don't like it, of course. When has her power gotten past Jean's TK? or Sue's field?I could just as easily say that issue of FF was PIS, considering that Jean had essentially woken up from a several year coma, and since it was shown later that Sue couldn't get past her TK.

Bygones...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Read my post again. But hey, I try to put it as simply as I can.

Telekinetic energy blast isn't the same thing as moving objects telekinetically.

I THINK that can be understood with people that have IQ under 70, but with you, you can never be entirely sure.

a Blast is cuncussive force.

So, Candra's threat to shut off the guy's power was a blast?

Jean stopping Storm from flying away was a blast?(She was stopping a person from moving)

Jean stopping the knife was a blast?(Stopping an object)

Jean holding the guy up on the wall was a blast?(Holding a person)

Jean hovering aloft was also a blast?(causing herself to float)

Every display of TK in that issue was a blast??

So, again, is it not plausible that the artist is expressing TK, something formless and intangible in pink enery "blast"???

Is that not what I said???











Desperate.

Originally posted by Rutog98
You can dodge psi-blasts. In the final issue of the Firestar limited series, Firestar dodged the White Queen's mind blasts.

You mean this?

http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=firestar4candistruptpsihq4.jpg

Originally posted by 2damnloud
a Blast is cuncussive force.

So, Candra's threat to shut off the guy's power was a "Blast"?

Jean stopping Storm from flying away was a "Blast"?(She was stopping a person from moving)

Jean stopping the knife was a Blast?(Stopping an object)

Jean holding the guy up on the wall was a blast.(Holding a person)

Jean hovering aloft was also a "blast"(causing herself to float)

Every display of TK in that issue was a "blast"??

So, again, is it not plausible that the artist is expressing TK , something formless and intangible in pink enery "blast"???

Is that not what I said???











Desperate.

Ugh.

Just because the artist expresses applying telekinesis with the same style as telekinetic blasts, it doesn't mean that the two of them are the same thing.

Nowhere in the Candra/Storm fight was Candra trying to rip Storm's head from her shoulders or trying to apply her with any other way then direct assault.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Ugh.

Just because the artist expresses applying telekinesis with the same style as telekinetic blasts, it doesn't mean that the two of them are the same thing.

Nowhere in the Candra/Storm fight was Candra trying to rip Storm's head from her shoulders or trying to apply her with any other way then direct assault.

And you know this because

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
You mean this?

http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=firestar4candistruptpsihq4.jpg

I hope that's not what he meant cause she got hit by that psi-bolt. Telepathic mind blasts can only be directed at minds so dodging them is out of the question, looks like Firestar was able to resist it due to the White Queens training. Training with their worlds most powerful telepaths and creatively using their other powers to augment this training is the reason why Storm and just about any one of the X-men can resist certain tp assaults

Originally posted by 2damnloud
And you know this because

Because the electrical field you are heralding so much doesn't even disperse the shield around Candra, showing that it's not enough to even affect all tangible telekinetic matter, apparently.
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1171/xmenunlimited0737os1.jpg

Forget that last post. Storm got through the field, I read the issue myself.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Forget that last post. Storm got through the field, I read the issue myself.
Then why couldn't she get through to Exodus? It doen't make sense. She should not have been able to do that for the very reasons that you stated.

Those constant scans are just to deter you from the fact that electricity cannot negate telekinesis, it's just a ploy to get off topic, when it comes down to force-fields and energy blasts it all boils down to who has exhausted their resources, I have yet to see Jean succumb to this when using her tk shield. In X-men #64 the only thing that protects the X-men and Shang-Chi from a full on wild lightning assault by Storm is Jean and her tk shield, the bolts were dangerously close to getting in, but the point is they didn't.

Originally posted by LordKaos
Those constant scans are just to deter you from the fact that electricity cannot negate telekinesis, it's just a ploy to get off topic, when it comes down to force-fields and energy blasts it all boils down to who has exhausted their resources, I have yet to see Jean succumb to this when using her tk shield. In X-men #64 the only thing that protects the X-men and Shang-Chi from a full on wild lightning assault by Storm is Jean and her tk shield, the bolts were dangerously close to getting in, but the point is they didn't.

Do you have a scan of that? Sounds like a big fight.

Originally posted by psy_blade
Do you have a scan of that? Sounds like a big fight.

Your signature angers me immensely.

Thank you.