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There have been a huge discussion about this, and now I want to see what the members think.

No. They were incapable of defeating each other, temporarily merged by the Spectre and the Living Tribunal, unaware of the outcomes of things....

none of these are the traits of supreme beings.

Dude, you already made a thread for discussing the Brothers.

Why would you make another thread for the same topic?

This is not for the discussion, this is for the outcome of the discussion.

But if it just turns into another discussion regarding the Brothers, (which is innevitable when people are debating a subject), then it's really no different then your first Brothers related thread.

Originally posted by Galan007
But if it just turns into another discussion regarding the Brothers, (which is innevitable when people are debating a subject), then it's really no different then your first Brothers related thread.
But it's better that we had a discussion before making it a poll, there are people voting before reading, at least they got a clue now.
I don't want random results.

I think they were

I dont think its the same as an item making you supreme(and mistaking the power as supreme),this is two beings,that were all that was, for the purpose of the story yes they were supreme

I dont care if its not canon,its a story that was brought up in a thread that has merit,people are going to use them in debates if they state Pre Retcon brothers,i dont think the thread will be closed

Btw-i think a poll after a discussion is a good idea

Question: So where the Brothers really supreme?

Answer: I hate Amalgam comics

Originally posted by Endless Mike
No. They were incapable of defeating each other, temporarily merged by the Spectre and the Living Tribunal, unaware of the outcomes of things....

none of these are the traits of supreme beings.
Well, about that temporerly merging I cannot say much, why--Because I'm not sure.
I'm not if it was a part of their plan, or whatever.
A reasonable explanation is that the Brothers had given their respective cosmic guardians too much authority.
The Living Tribunal and Spectre's power was their gift, a part of them.

So they could only merge the Brothers, because they had given them that right, trust if you will.
But later on in the series, the Living Tribunal and Spectre where nothing to them.

And I'll even use the same source of information that Mr Master has as basis for the Heart of Infinite theory.



http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

And of course it's aproved by Marvel as you can see at the end of the page.

The fact remains that they were not able to do everything effortlessly, which is what being supreme would entail.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
The fact remains that they were not able to do everything effortlessly, which is what being supreme would entail.
I see no effort, struggle, resistance or anything else of its liking here.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8751/55699011cw7.th.jpg

And I don't see the Brothers breaking free. I just see, "The Brothers do not like it" and on the next page they're free.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1207/14pt2.th.jpg

But I see this, two beings stated to encompass everything.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/203/92226795wu5.th.jpghttp://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1510/76732865td4.th.jpg

I see "Power unleashed that none has ever witnessed before ... And the Spectre and the Living Tribunal are awed."

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5792/15sz2.th.jpghttp://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3371/16tb9.th.jpg

I see two beings trying to prevent something that they cannot, I see no affection, all I see is. "Yup. the Spectre and the Living Tribunal trying to hold back the Brothers back. For all difference they're making."

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5323/18ej4.th.jpg

And yes, I could even state as the site aproved by Marvel states.
The Living Tribunal and the Spectre were beneath their notecing.

Stop, you're turning into the same as the other thread, but with a poll at the top so can you can see that Thanos and Starlock are the only two who believe such.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
And I'll even use the same source of information that Mr Master has as basis for the Heart of Infinite theory.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

And of course it's aproved by Marvel as you can see at the end of the page.

I'm not partaking in this debate,

but since my name was used I felt I should add this:

(SAME Site you used)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm


"It is revealed that the Brothers did not merge. Instead,

in a last ditch effort to prevent having a universe torn apart,

the Living Tribunal and Spectre had created an Amalgam universe

as a result of THEIR HOLDING the UniverseS Together with THEIR immense Power.

The Brothers were upset over that"

And they were unable to defeat each other, unable to instantly foresee the results of the fights they set up, etc.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm not partaking in this debate,

but since my name was used I felt I should add this:

(SAME Site you used)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm


"It is revealed that the Brothers did not merge. Instead,

in a last ditch effort to prevent having a universe torn apart,

the Living Tribunal and Spectre had created an Amalgam universe

as a result of THEIR HOLDING the UniverseS Together with THEIR immense Power.

The Brothers were upset over that"
Yes but as you know, the powers where given to them, since the Brothers encomassed everything, the Living Tribunal and Spectre would be a part of them.
And it was just like: "The Brothers did not like it" next page* they're free.

So at which the same point as they realized it was not their way they de-fused, de-merged or whatever you call it.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
And they were unable to defeat each other, unable to instantly foresee the results of the fights they set up, etc.

And this scan is for you.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9433/45206809eu8.th.jpg

Originally posted by Juntai
Stop, you're turning into the same as the other thread, but with a poll at the top so can you can see that Thanos and Starlock are the only two who believe such.
All the spiters of the Brothers have been here already, but not even a procent of the members which vissit the comicbook section.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I see no effort, struggle, resistance or anything else of its liking here.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8751/55699011cw7.th.jpg

And I don't see the Brothers breaking free. I just see, "The Brothers do not like it" and on the next page they're free.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1207/14pt2.th.jpg

Here are the Scans that go In-between those Two Scans of yours,

uhm you know where the "Struggle" takes place:

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7877/dcvsmarvel2au6.th.jpg


http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9769/g9cr5.th.jpg


http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/1585/86596412tv2.th.jpg


There is obviously, NO struggle in any of these scans. shifty

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
But I see this, two beings stated to encompass everything.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/203/92226795wu5.th.jpghttp://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1510/76732865td4.th.jpg

And I see this,

the Being that truly encompasses Everything!

According to Marvel Canonicity.




"This Being was the only Living Thing that Existed within Any and ALL Realities"
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1466/in1hy6.th.jpg
"ALL That Was and ALL that Was Was it"


Then Thanos says, "I wouldn't blame you for calling it "GOD" ...

What other name would fit?"

(which makes sense)





"ALL That Was Was already Part of Itself ... there was NO Other in it's Life"
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7470/in2uq6.th.jpg
"It chose to put an End to itself ...

from it's Ashes rose ALL That is currently Reality ... in ALL it's many forms"






Diana of the Dark Shoppe (in another Universe) basically tells the same tale:

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/2944/in3gn0.th.jpg

ALL Official and Canon.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Here are the Scans that go In-between those Two Scans of yours,

uhm you know where the "Struggle" takes place:

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7877/dcvsmarvel2au6.th.jpg


http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9769/g9cr5.th.jpg


http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/1585/86596412tv2.th.jpg


There is obviously, NO struggle in any of these scans. shifty
So from seeing the Living Tribunal and Spectre struggeling you asmue the Brothers did?
And in the last scan there you can even see that Access are giving the Living Tribunal and the Spectre more powers.
In other words he empowers them with all the energies in the universe.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Yes but as you know, the powers where given to them, since the Brothers encomassed everything, the Living Tribunal and Spectre would be a part of them.
And it was just like: "The Brothers did not like it" next page* they're free.

So at which the same point as they realized it was not their way they de-fused, de-merged or whatever you call it.

T, you can't debate something you don't read.


The Brothers did NOT release themselves.

The Brothers did NOT "de-fuse" or "de-emerge" or anything of the like.


Spectre, the Living Tribunal and Acces together released the Brothers safely.




This is right before the LT & Spectre release the Brothers:




"We're using it to Restore the Universes"

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/1585/86596412tv2.th.jpg

After the separation exactly One split down the middle of Two Realities.

http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/1273/91283493rx4.th.jpg




Immediately afterwards:


"The Universe that was an Amalgam of Two Others blows apart"
http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/1773/85611252wt1.th.jpg
"We're back to the Universes co-existing"





Had Access not helped, the Brothers would have been Obliterated:

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/731/b1ll3.th.jpg

"When it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated,

then the BUM helped me Jump someplace IN-BETWEEN"

"Someplace where NO Aspect of the Brothers existed"


...............................................................................................................................................

Access said, when it looked like the Universes (Brothers) were going to be destroyed,

the BUM helped him jump somewhere in-between.


NOW, when did it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated?

At the same time that the, "BUM" help him jump In-between?

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/8396/50880268al7.th.jpg

And there is the "BUM", helping Access Jump someplace IN-BETWEEN,

when the Universes were about to be Obliterated.


When did this happen?

When the Brothers were MERGED by LT & Spectre, it's all clear On Panel.

Originally posted by Mr Master
And I see this,

the Being that truly encompasses Everything!

According to Marvel Canonicity.




"This Being was the only Living Thing that Existed within Any and ALL Realities"
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1466/in1hy6.th.jpg
"ALL That Was and ALL that Was Was it"


Then Thanos says, "I wouldn't blame you for calling it "GOD" ...

What other name would fit?"

(which makes sense)





"ALL That Was Was already Part of Itself ... there was NO Other in it's Life"
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7470/in2uq6.th.jpg
"It chose to put an End to itself ...

from it's Ashes rose ALL That is currently Reality ... in ALL it's many forms"






Diana of the Dark Shoppe (in another Universe) basically tells the same tale:

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/2944/in3gn0.th.jpg

ALL Official and Canon.
Again, none of those beings are omnisceint, it's Thanos and Diana talking.
In the scan I posted it was the wrtiers themselves, theyw ere giving the backround story.

Besides the essence of the Infinity being, God or whatever you call him, the gems, when brought together they unlock his potential, his power in the form of Nemessis.
Nemessis = Infinity Being --In terms of power.

And Nemsessis is not as powerful as the Living Tribunal.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
And in the last scan there you can even see that Access are giving the Living Tribunal and the Spectre more powers.
In other words he empowers them with all the energies in the universe.

No he doesn't.

Access had a fraction of the Brothers power, nothing more.

Access used this Fraction to Help LT and Spectre release the Brothers safely.


Otherwise the Brothers would been Obliterated.

Originally posted by Galan007
But if it just turns into another discussion regarding the Brothers, (which is innevitable when people are debating a subject), then it's really no different then your first Brothers related thread. I pretty much called this one.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Again, none of those beings are omnisceint, it's Thanos and Diana talking.
In the scan I posted it was the wrtiers themselves, theyw ere giving the backround story.

Besides the essence of the Infinity being, God or whatever you call him, the gems, when brought together they unlock his potential, his power in the form of Nemessis.
Nemessis = Infinity Being --In terms of power.

And Nemsessis is not as powerful as the Living Tribunal.

As you wish T.

Originally posted by Mr Master
T, you can't debate something you don't read.


The Brothers did NOT release themselves.

The Brothers did NOT "de-fuse" or "de-emerge" or anything of the like.


Spectre, the Living Tribunal and Acces together released the Brothers safely.

This is right before the LT & Spectre release the Brothers:

"We're using it to Restore the Universes"

After the separation exactly One split down the middle of Two Realities.

Immediately afterwards:


"We're back to the Universes co-existing"





Had Access not helped, the Brothers would have been Obliterated:

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/731/b1ll3.th.jpg

"When it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated,

then the BUM helped me Jump someplace IN-BETWEEN"

"Someplace where NO Aspect of the Brothers existed"


...............................................................................................................................................

Access said, when it looked like the Universes (Brothers) were going to be destroyed,

the BUM helped him jump somewhere in-between.


NOW, when did it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated?

At the same time that the, "BUM" help him jump In-between?


And there is the "BUM", helping Access Jump someplace IN-BETWEEN,

when the Universes were about to be Obliterated.


When did this happen?

When the Brothers were MERGED by LT & Spectre, it's all clear On Panel.
Wait so now you're saying that it was all the Living Tribunal and the Spectre's idea.
So basicly the Brothers werent struggeling, only the Spectre and the Living Tribunal, they struggeled so they could restore the universes.

And if Access didn't help them the universes (not the Brothers themselves) would be destroyed.

How?

Because the Brothers already ended and recreated creation while they battled.

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7017/48526453yh0.jpg

And here they do it on panel, they destroy the universes, the same universes which Access said would be obliterated.

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7364/20ql4.th.jpg

The Brothers survived that, but the universes didn't.

You just destroyed your theory.

You said the Brothers where struggeling to break free.
But they desired to be whole and unique.

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9126/54023581zr2.th.jpg

---

So by merging or be merged they became complete.
Now The Living Tribunal and the Spectre wanted to restore the universes. Thus it was not the Brothers idea to break free. It was the Spectre's and the Living Tribunal's idea.

And it would not be the Brothers that would be obliterated but the universes, which obliteration the Brothers caused and surived.

That also explains why the Spectre and Living Tribunal couldent affect the Brothers in their battle.
Because they were nothing compared to them.

And this scan is for you.

*snip*

That just proves my point. If they were truly supreme (as in omnipotent), they not only could have resolved all of these problems in literally no time at all, but the problems would never have even happened in the first place if they didn't want them to.

Originally posted by Mr Master
No he doesn't.

Access had a fraction of the Brothers power, nothing more.

Access used this Fraction to Help LT and Spectre release the Brothers safely.


Otherwise the Brothers would been Obliterated.
Read the scan again, and this time wear your glasses.

"I stashed it in you two ... Hid it ... When it looked like the universes would be obliterated then the bum helped me jump someplace inbetween"

There was never stated that the Brothers would be obliterated.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
That just proves my point. If they were truly supreme (as in omnipotent), they not only could have resolved all of these problems in literally no time at all, but the problems would never have even happened in the first place if they didn't want them to.
Then compare it to a circuit with two switches, where the circuit is omnipotence, and the switches are the Brothers. Neither could've happend unless both aproved of it.

Their mind however works like the companies, the easiest way would be if Marvel and DC merged.
But they keep on fighting.

Besides you do not know how a omnipotent being would act, and you never will. They're ethernal, time is beneath them.
They're not in a hurry of a quick solution, like people.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Wait so now you're saying that it was all the Living Tribunal and the Spectre's idea.
So basicly the Brothers werent struggeling, only the Spectre and the Living Tribunal, they struggeled so they could restore the universes.
And if Access didn't help them the universes (not the Brothers themselves) would be destroyed.
How?
Because the Brothers already ended and recreated creation while they battled.
And here they do it on panel, they destroy the universes, the same universes which Access said would be obliterated.

The Brothers survived that, but the universes didn't.

You just destroyed your theory.
You said the Brothers where struggeling to break free.
But they desired to be whole and unique.

So by merging or be merged they became complete.
Now The Living Tribunal and the Spectre wanted to restore the universes. Thus it was not the Brothers idea to break free. It was the Spectre's and the Living Tribunal's idea.

And it would not be the Brothers that would be obliterated but the universes, which obliteration the Brothers caused and surived.
That also explains why the Spectre and Living Tribunal couldent affect the Brothers in their battle.
Because they were nothing compared to them.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Read the scan again, and this time wear your glasses.

"I stashed it in you two ... Hid it ... When it looked like the universes would be obliterated then the bum helped me jump someplace inbetween"

There was never stated that the Brothers would be obliterated.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
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An explanation would be even better ...

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
An explanation would be even better ...

I explained for pages and pages in the other thread you made,

and now this is taking the same rode.

firefirefireph


I love ya T, but I can't do it again.

Yall can continue if yall like though.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I explained for pages and pages in the other thread you made,

and now this is taking the same rode.

firefirefireph


I love ya T, but I can't do it again.

Yall can continue if yall like though.
No the "explanation" makes no sense, it feels like I'm forcing you into a corner and you're trying to crawl out of a window.

Again, just print the quote where it's said that the Brothers (not the universes) would be destroyed/obliterated

use imageshack, use a full image (not a tumbnail) - the scan of one quote will be small anyways, no?
And post it.

It was never stated that the Brothers was near obliteration or any of that sort.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
No the "explanation" makes no sense, it feels like I'm forcing you into a corner and you're trying to crawl out of a window.




Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Again, just print the quote where it's said that the Brothers (not the universes) would be destroyed/obliterated
use imageshack, use a full image (not a tumbnail) - the scan of one quote will be small anyways, no?
And post it.
It was never stated that the Brothers was near obliteration or any of that sort.

As you wish.

Very well then.

20 minutes, for me it takes 5 minutes to scan and put a image up on imageshack, now the searching would probably take about ten to thirty, but then again, why would you search for the quote if you already knew where it was.
Now you better hurry up, I've gotta go to school soon, well, in like 2 hours.

Oh, and Mike, I was thinking about your perspective at omnipotence.
You say that, if you can do anything limited by the company's universe, then you're omnipotent correct?
Now if they removed The-One-Above-All from the series, then the Living Tribunal would be able to do anything without any restriction from anyone.
Since the only thing the Living Tribunal cannot do is go against The-One-Above-All's will, power and authority.
But then again the comperhension of the term omnipotence is above us, and will forever be. Since in the 3rd dimension which ew live in there are paradoxes for such. - We can't imagion a being creating a rock so heavy he cannot lift it but yet he can.
- Now your brain is supose to recite this, making a reasonable explanation so that you can understand it, but that explanation is not the answer.
You cannot understand it, I cannot and no one else on this planet or dimension will ever.

The Brothers started to fight when they realized that they were me, but us. This means that the Brothers (one alone) was omnipresent, like Thanos said when he got the Heart, he was every feather on a dove he was a boy on the planet of the skrull, he was a rock in the desert ect.

But when their universes connected they were "us", Kyle Rayner was no longer just a part of one of the Brothers, but now both of them.