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Avengers:

Captain America
Thor
Immortal Hercules
Sersi
Sentry
Iron Man
Ares
Warbird
Quasar
Forgotten One
Photon



vs.

Despero

Avengers.

Assuming they don't job like the JLA, and fight like retards, they can probably take him down.

Despero. He can pwn all of them with TP.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Assuming they don't job like the JLA, and fight like retards, they can probably take him down.

My thoughts exactly. Unless they enter moron mode they can beat him.

Supposed, Sentry has god-like TP powers along with the void. Thor is also supposedly immune to TP. Photon, is that Genis or Phyla? If it's Genis, they've got this.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
My thoughts exactly. Unless they enter moron mode they can beat him.

They most certainly will enter moron status. Half of the avengers listed are bruisers who will go str8 for brick mode and get pwned with sheer strength. Sersi will get her TP handed back to her in spades. TP is going to murder them. Not enough Psi resistance or magic to cast him out.

Thor can absorb tp energy and everyone on the list besides Cap and possibly 1-2 others has formidable psi-defenses. TP is a non-factor here.

Nvr, you're forgetting Thor, Sentry, and possibly Genis. Those 3 alone, have a good shot of kicking his ass if they work together.

Plus, didn't Despero get roasted by Superman's heat vision not too long ago?

Despero is over rated ... Superman has one-shotted him (and that's far from his lowest showing)

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5118/pic020cy8.th.jpg

Thor or Sentry could take him down.

The Avengers take this.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Despero is over rated ... Superman has one-shotted him (and that's far from his lowest showing)

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5118/pic020cy8.th.jpg

Thor or Sentry could take him down.

That's becuz non jobbing, Superman is transcendence his damned self. He could take the avengers team if he pushed himself. Him Pwning Despero doesn't sway me from thinking the avengers would fall to tp. At least all the weak minded ones would fall fast. That would leave the stronger ones to try and out muscle him. We know how that goes.

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
The Avengers take this.

wavey

Originally posted by Scoobless
Despero is over rated ... Superman has one-shotted him (and that's far from his lowest showing)

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5118/pic020cy8.th.jpg

Thor or Sentry could take him down.

I agree

Originally posted by the Darkone
Avengers:

Captain America
Thor
Immortal Hercules
Sersi
Sentry
Iron Man
Ares
Warbird
Quasar
Forgotten One
Photon



vs.

Despero

Despero pwns with Tp in one quick single blast
Captain America
Immortal Herc
Iron Man
Warbird
Quasar
Photon

Leaving the tuffer ones behind.
He then Thins the herd by one shotting
Forgotten one
Ares
Thor

Leaving Sentry to his lonesome. Senty would be able to pull maybe 3 wins against Deserpo only becuz DEsi would be a lil worn from oen shotting such powerful beings.

Thor fans claim Odison has never been oneshotted--I dunno if it's true or not, but probably true--Does Despero really have what it takes to oneshot Thor?

One-shotting Thor? TP'ing Quasar?

Neither one's happening. Despero's a beast, but he isn't taking down so many uber-cosmics.

Thor takes Despero solo.

Originally posted by Validus
Thor takes Despero solo.

I thought Despero was some uber team buster...

Originally posted by Validus
Thor takes Despero solo. Durok Dropper for the win

Not sure if I spelled Durok right

Originally posted by Newjak
Durok Dropper for the win

Not sure if I spelled Durok right
shocklaugh

Originally posted by Validus
shocklaugh

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

herbeyes

Originally posted by Skeets
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

herbeyes
Lovecraft

Originally posted by Validus
shocklaugh Did I mention I hate you by the way

Originally posted by Newjak
Did I mention I hate you by the way
Hate consumes worlds.

Originally posted by Validus
Lovecraft
Sexcraft?

Originally posted by Skeets
Sexcraft?

Don't bring my car into this.

Originally posted by Validus
Hate consumes worlds. And I will consume many

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Don't bring my car into this.


You do girls(guys vin) in your Hooptie?

LMAO at Despero owning a team of Avengers consisting of Thor and Sentry and Quasar.

Not happening.

He either goes down to a charged hammer throw(he's been hurt by much less, even in his better showings) or Sentry or Quasar blast him into submission.

And Ironman has Tp defenses built into his armor.


Despero's good, but i've never seen anything that would keep him from being a mere solo villain, and nothing that validates him being this above the top tier team thrasher.

LMAO at his tp.
All those exceptional wills on the Avengers team count for something.

lol @ Despero being top tier

I do think he's above the top tier, but i'd peg his power level as something like a Zod or a Loki.

His tp puts him above the top tier, not his physical stats.

I honestly see a charged hammer toss to the face, wrecking dude.

Originally posted by UniOmni

LMAO at his tp.
All those exceptional wills on the Avengers team count for something. Yeah, pretty much every character in comics is known for having amazing will.
I'm betting Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, etc, were all laughing about his TP too.

There is no need for the whole team, Thor, Sentry, and Quasar would be all that was needed to put Despero down and any one of them could possibly take him for the majority.

Despero = Overrated

Originally posted by UniOmni
LMAO at Despero owning a team of Avengers consisting of Thor and Sentry and Quasar.

Not happening.

He either goes down to a charged hammer throw(he's been hurt by much less, even in his better showings) or Sentry or Quasar blast him into submission.

And Ironman has Tp defenses built into his armor.


Despero's good, but i've never seen anything that would keep him from being a mere solo villain, and nothing that validates him being this above the top tier team thrasher.

LMAO at his tp.
All those exceptional wills on the Avengers team count for something.

There are two Eternals on the team with mental powers and Sersi mental powers are better than Gilgamesh, she did scan the whole planet. And her powers push to the limit is one of earth's most powerful heroes, she probably can encase despero in pure psi force shield.

J'onn is the classic fallguy.
Has the tools to win, but hardly delivers, especially in recent memory.
He doesn't register in a willpower contest, sorry.

When GL showed up, i honestly did expect the fight to end.
Lol at my naivete.
Where was that GL tp immunity huh?

Superman is transcendent at will.

To the avengers.

Quasar has been said to be immune to Tp, and Thor can actually absorb psyblasts.

Sentry is supposedly a decent tp himself.

I don't see him winning this at all.

Originally posted by UniOmni
J'onn is the classic fallguy.
Has the tools to win, but hardly delivers, especially in recent memory.
He doesn't register in a willpower contest, sorry.

When GL showed up, i honestly did expect the fight to end.
Lol at my naivete.
Where was that GL tp immunity huh?

Superman is transcendent at will.

To the avengers.

Quasar has been said to be immune to Tp, and Thor can actually absorb psyblasts.

Sentry is supposedly a decent tp himself.

I don't see him winning this at all. It's a fair assumption, he does fall when he attacks the JLA, the avengers shouldn't be too much different..

However, I can see him messing with Sentry's mind and watching the spool unravel.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That's becuz non jobbing, Superman is transcendence his damned self. He could take the avengers team if he pushed himself. Him Pwning Despero doesn't sway me from thinking the avengers would fall to tp. At least all the weak minded ones would fall fast. That would leave the stronger ones to try and out muscle him. We know how that goes.

Superman could never take on the Avengers and win never. And from the Scans Thor and Sentry could do this solo or one on one.

Originally posted by D-Block
Superman could never take on the Avengers and win never. And from the Scans Thor and Sentry could do this solo or one on one.

That was one showing of Despero. ANd it was in a Superman Batman book. Which is notorious for the worst writing and Superman Stokefest ever.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That was one showing of Despero. ANd it was in a Superman Batman book. Which is notorious for the worst writing and Superman Stokefest ever.

I didn't know that thanks. But I still think that the entire team could take Despero.

Originally posted by D-Block
I didn't know that thanks. But I still think that the entire team could take Despero.
Yeah me too. But not easily. I always argue for the under dog.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Despero is over rated ... Superman has one-shotted him (and that's far from his lowest showing)

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5118/pic020cy8.th.jpg

Thor or Sentry could take him down.
Wait isn't that from the same series where Batman beat Solomon Grundy in a h2h fight?
Stop using PIS as evidence!!!!!

Originally posted by Estacado
Wait isn't that from the same series where Batman beat Solomon Grundy in a h2h fight?
Stop using PIS as evidence!!!!!

Exactly what I said. Superman/Batman shoudl be discounted from all Debates becuz the book has been nothing but rediculousness from start to finish.

That is why I hate Superman fanboys their favorite thing is to use his PIS/bullshit feats like that.
Also Superman/Batman was the same series where Batman was slaying Doomsday clones with batarangs and an axe.

Originally posted by Estacado
That is why I hate Superman fanboys their favorite thing is to use his PIS/bullshit feats like that.

Superman/Batman along with World War Hulk will NEVER get any respect from me when it comes to those three characters.

Also Superman/Batman was the same series where Batman was slaying Doomsday clones with batarangs and an axe.

Originally posted by Estacado
Also Superman/Batman was the same series where Batman was slaying Doomsday clones with batarangs and an axe.

Right. And Superman killed them all with his heat vision. The series has the best art and can be quite suspensefull but usually ****s up the endings.

Anyway still the record goes like this Despero-Superman 2-1.

Originally posted by Estacado
Anyway still the record goes like this Despero-Superman 2-1.

More than That I believe. Despero has trashed Superman in like every other appearance. EVEn in the Superman Batman Book, Despero was pwning him hand to hand. and all of a sudden he one shot's despero with heat vision? WTF. Superman's Heat vision must be Thanos lvl in energy out put to do that.

despero has taken on the JLA and owned them as well as another team that included lobo even lobo could not overcome him from what ive read, the guys a monster really, but the team you made got to many big hitters, like sentry, and quasar, thor if he's just brawling would go down he's dumb that way, if he actually tried he'd win.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
More than That I believe. Despero has trashed Superman in like every other appearance. EVEn in the Superman Batman Book, Despero was pwning him hand to hand. and all of a sudden he one shot's despero with heat vision? WTF. Superman's Heat vision must be Thanos lvl in energy out put to do that.

Despero seems to have quite the weakness for heat based attacks though.

Originally posted by Estacado
Wait isn't that from the same series where Batman beat Solomon Grundy in a h2h fight?
Stop using PIS as evidence!!!!!

There's only so many times a guy can be smacked about before you have to stop calling it PIS.

Impact:

1. http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brokenteethvk7.jpg

Heat:

1. http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fire1bb5.jpg
2. http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fire2pj6.jpg
3. http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fire3tq8.jpg

4. http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=heatvisionox6.jpg

Skin pierced:

1. http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=impaled1kv4.jpg
2. http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=impaled2ab7.jpg

3. http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sharkbitejv6.jpg

Gassed:

1. http://img488.imageshack.us/my.php?image=teargasvv2.jpg

Despero works best with sneak attacks ... as soon as everyone knows he's there he always gets pwned.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Despero seems to have quite the weakness for heat based attacks though.



There's only so many times a guy can be smacked about before you have to stop calling it PIS.

Impact:

1. http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brokenteethvk7.jpg

Heat:

1. http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fire1bb5.jpg
2. http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fire2pj6.jpg
3. http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fire3tq8.jpg

4. http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=heatvisionox6.jpg

Skin pierced:

1. http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=impaled1kv4.jpg
2. http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=impaled2ab7.jpg

3. http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sharkbitejv6.jpg

Gassed:

1. http://img488.imageshack.us/my.php?image=teargasvv2.jpg

Despero works best with sneak attacks ... as soon as everyone knows he's there he always gets pwned.

Actually, It seems he is always doing the pwning. Those scans you show only show your side of the argument. Becuz he always seems to get hurt a lil and then on to wrecking everyone. Nice try tho. Besides, we know DC heroes are uber. They are always gonna get some good licks in.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Despero seems to have quite the weakness for heat based attacks though.



There's only so many times a guy can be smacked about before you have to stop calling it PIS.

Impact:

1. http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brokenteethvk7.jpg

Heat:

1. http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fire1bb5.jpg
2. http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fire2pj6.jpg
3. http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fire3tq8.jpg

4. http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=heatvisionox6.jpg

Skin pierced:

1. http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=impaled1kv4.jpg
2. http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=impaled2ab7.jpg

3. http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sharkbitejv6.jpg

Gassed:

1. http://img488.imageshack.us/my.php?image=teargasvv2.jpg

Despero works best with sneak attacks ... as soon as everyone knows he's there he always gets pwned.
Oh really?
Show me scan where he get's beaten phisically.

Hulk has been cut by swords and impaled by poles still that doesn't mean jackshit.

Thor
Sentry
Quasar
Forgotten One
Photon
people are arguing that Despero can beat a team thats consist of these guys?

Originally posted by Priest
Thor
Sentry
Quasar
Forgotten One
Photon
people are arguing that Despero can beat a team thats consist of these guys?
Nope we are arguing against Superman's new bullshit feat.

Originally posted by Priest
Thor
Sentry
Quasar
Forgotten One
Photon
people are arguing that Despero can beat a team thats consist of these guys?

Could Thanos Do it with only his TP and strength? Probably. Despero Seems to be in that same range. Prolly a better Tper than Thanos. But we have already given the avengers the majority.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Could Thanos Do it with only his TP and strength? Probably. Despero Seems to be in that same range. Prolly a better Tper than Thanos. But we have already given the avengers the majority.
Thanos better than Despero and had better durability.
And i dont belive thanos would win just using his strength and mental powers.
Quasar is immune to TP, Thor, and Sentry has good resistace to TP, and Photon is a better Tper than Despero, he's a Omniversal TP.
Depsero gets creamed by these guys.

Originally posted by Estacado
Nope we are arguing against Superman's new bullshit feat.
heat vision right?
has superman used Heat vission on despero in a non batman/superman comic?

Originally posted by Priest
heat vision right?
has superman used Heat vission on despero in a non batman/superman comic?
Superman/Batman is garbage.it's pretty much where we argue against all bullshit feats by those two.

Originally posted by Priest
heat vision right?
has superman used Heat vission on despero in a non batman/superman comic?
Yeah he did.
Anyway it is from the same series where batman beat Solomon Grundy in a h2h fight and Bruce also slayed hundereds of the clones with an axe.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Superman/Batman is garbage.it's pretty much where we argue against all bullshit feats by those two. i was thinking the same thing, batman beating the general in the same comic is pretty stupid imo.

Originally posted by Priest
heat vision right?
has superman used Heat vission on despero in a non batman/superman comic?
Yes ... and it hurt him.

Originally posted by Priest
i was thinking the same thing, batman beating the general in the same comic is pretty stupid imo.

It's a bullshit comic ego stoke fest to batman and superman. They don't follow any rules. It along with Warhulk will get no respect from me if someone tries to use them in legitimate arguments.

Originally posted by Estacado
Yeah he did.
Anyway it is from the same series where batman beat Solomon Grundy in a h2h fight and Bruce also slayed hundereds of the clones with an axe.
Scoob did post a lot of examples of Despero being hut in various ways...the guys durablity is not as much wat people are making it out too..some people thinks hes as durable as Thanos...I still think the JLA could take down Despero for a healthy majority.

Originally posted by Priest
Scoob did post a lot of examples of Despero being hut in various ways...the guys durablity is not as much wat people are making it out too..some people thinks hes as durable as Thanos...I still think the JLA could take down Despero for a healthy majority.
Have you seen his fight with the 2 JLA teams and Lobo?

Originally posted by Estacado
Have you seen his fight with the 2 JLA teams and Lobo?
Exactly.

Originally posted by Estacado
Have you seen his fight with the 2 JLA teams and Lobo?

Half the JLA (which was a pretty weak team IMO) were fighting Despero and half were trying to keep Lobo away from him ... there was hardly a punch thrown between Lobo and Despero and neither was hurt by the other.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Half the JLA (which was a pretty weak team IMO) were fighting Despero and half were trying to keep Lobo away from him ... there was hardly a punch thrown between Lobo and Despero and neither was hurt by the other.

IT really doesn't matter. Deserpo's TP is on another lvl than what any of these marvel guys have faced. Thier vaunted psi resistance means nothing when they don't face people with Tp like his at all. Marvel's Psy's are pretty boo boo, unless it's like Cassandra Nova or someone like that. Moondragon with the mind gem was pathetic. Eternity can be blasted into a coma but these guys can't? Not buying it. ANd Despero Easily man handles Superman. And Supers is stronger than everyone on this list by far. And more durable except maybe the Eternal.

Originally posted by Estacado
Have you seen his fight with the 2 JLA teams and Lobo?
ill never read it, ill check the repect thread fo it.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Half the JLA (which was a pretty weak team IMO) were fighting Despero and half were trying to keep Lobo away from him ... there was hardly a punch thrown between Lobo and Despero and neither was hurt by the other.

You mean Guy Gardner was trying to keep Lobo away from Despero?
Despero was fighting Flash,Martian Manhunter,Fire,Power Girl,Metamorpho,Super Girl(before Lobo came he was fighting Gardner aswell.)

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IT really doesn't matter. Deserpo's TP is on another lvl than what any of these marvel guys have faced.
Genis is a Omniversal Telepath .
Thor absorbed TP Bolt from the freaking phionix

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Moondragon with the mind gem was pathetic.
Why cause she resisted a TP bolt form Surfer?..

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Eternity can be blasted into a coma but these guys can't?
Who says that has anything to to with TP? BTW mangus has FIVE cosmic cubes when he did that.. ONE Cube> Eternity imo

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Not buying it.ANd Despero Easily man handles Superman.
Yeah superman is EASILY stronger than Thor..u probally think Supes would wtf pwan Thor with is pinky i bet
thor has strength feats that at par with superman imo.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And Supers is stronger than everyone on this list by far. And more durable except maybe the Eternal.
Thor is as strong as superman..Durable maybe..
Over all power, Thor, Quasar, Photon dwafs superman.

Originally posted by Priest
Genis is a Omniversal Telepath .
Thor absorbed TP Bolt from the freaking phionix


Why cause she resisted a TP bolt form Surfer?..


Who says that has anything to to with TP? BTW mangus has FIVE cosmic cubes when he did that.. ONE Cube> Eternity imo


Yeah superman is EASILY stronger than Thor..u probally think Supes would wtf pwan Thor with is pinky i bet
thor has strength feats that at par with superman imo.


Thor is as strong as superman..Durable maybe..
Over all power, Thor, Quasar, Photon dwafs superman.

All of your statements are pretty much bah to me. Moondragon sucked and everyone knows it. And Superman has far and away more strength feats and durability feats than Thor. It's rediculous to even THINK that Thor is anywhere near as strong as Superman. Rubbish. Despero would flat out pwn Thor in Hand to hand seeing as how he does so to Thor's Superiors. And none of those people you named are flat out more powerful than Superman my EYE.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IT really doesn't matter. Deserpo's TP is on another lvl than what any of these marvel guys have faced. Thier vaunted psi resistance means nothing when they don't face people with Tp like his at all. Marvel's Psy's are pretty boo boo, unless it's like Cassandra Nova or someone like that. Moondragon with the mind gem was pathetic. Eternity can be blasted into a coma but these guys can't? Not buying it. ANd Despero Easily man handles Superman. And Supers is stronger than everyone on this list by far. And more durable except maybe the Eternal.

Wow at this post.

Despero's tp is beyond anything these Marvel guys have ever faced?
You don't even try to hide it anymore huh?

Marvel's psychics aren't boo boo at all, when it's an established fact that TP is what Marvel does best.

Quasar has extremely high resistance to tp, as of the end of his run.
Thor can absorb the psyblasts Despero is so prone to throwing around.
Sentry is supposed to be an accomplished tp himself.

And Superman is stronger than everyone on the Avengers roster by far?
It's debateable that he's stronger at all, much less by far.
Thor and Herc have their feats, even if they're not as well known.

And more durable than everyone except the Eternal?
Who, Superman or Despy?
Cuz Despero was hurt by sharks in Crisis of Conscience. Hurt by Powergirl in V&V, not to mention bled by Hawkman.
And one shotted by Superman in a canon comic, even if you don't like the book.

Even in his better showings, he's still not durable enough to win anywhere close to a majority here.

He'd be great as a Thor foe solely, but as a team thrasher, his durability doesn't quite match.

And to the people who tout Genis, i think the threadstarter is referring to Monica, as in Captain Marvel the woman.

If he did mean Genis, this would be a slaughter.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Wow at this post.

Despero's tp is beyond anything these Marvel guys have ever faced?
You don't even try to hide it anymore huh?

Marvel's psychics aren't boo boo at all, when it's an established fact that TP is what Marvel does best.

Quasar has extremely high resistance to tp, as of the end of his run.
Thor can absorb the psyblasts Despero is so prone to throwing around.
Sentry is supposed to be an accomplished tp himself.

And Superman is stronger than everyone on the Avengers roster by far?
It's debateable that he's stronger at all, much less by far.
Thor and Herc have their feats, even if they're not as well known.

And more durable than everyone except the Eternal?
Who, Superman or Despy?
Cuz Despero was hurt by sharks in Crisis of Conscience. Hurt by Powergirl in V&V, not to mention bled by Hawkman.
And one shotted by Superman in a canon comic, even if you don't like the book.

Even in his better showings, he's still not durable enough to win anywhere close to a majority here.

He'd be great as a Thor foe solely, but as a team thrasher, his durability doesn't quite match.

And to the people who tout Genis, i think the threadstarter is referring to Monica, as in Captain Marvel the woman.

If he did mean Genis, this would be a slaughter.

I said Superman was more durable. But Despero wouldn't be a great Thor Villian. Thor would get his head handed to him. He's isn't nearly as durably or strong or fast as superman. ANd we see how despero does Sueprman hand to hand. And Boo on you for trying to use a comic where Batman beat Solomongrundy hand to hand. I cannot wait till warhulk comes out so I can use that to pretty much lower the bar on everyone he beats. The same way u try and use a bullshit comic on Despero.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
All of your statements are pretty much bah to me. ur ignorance amazes me.

Originally posted by Priest
ur ignorance amazes me.

From where I am standing, Im surprised you can be amazed by anything other than your own astounding ignorance. From What I"VE read, My statements are justified. Now let's wait for war Hulk to kick everyone's asses so they can all be moved down a tier or two.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I said Superman was more durable. But Despero wouldn't be a great Thor Villian. Thor would get his head handed to him. He's isn't nearly as durably or strong or fast as superman.
Are u forgetting that stenght and speed is not wat wins all balltles? U remember that hammer thing that thor carries around? it does some cool tricks
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ANd we see how despero does Sueprman hand to hand.
Superman has no choice but go hand to hand because he not as versitile as Thor/Genis/Quasar.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I said Superman was more durable. But Despero wouldn't be a great Thor Villian. Thor would get his head handed to him. He's isn't nearly as durably or strong or fast as superman. ANd we see how despero does Sueprman hand to hand. And Boo on you for trying to use a comic where Batman beat Solomongrundy hand to hand. I cannot wait till warhulk comes out so I can use that to pretty much lower the bar on everyone he beats. The same way u try and use a bullshit comic on Despero.

Despero wouldn't be a great Thor villain?
Why? Because he's stronger than Thor?

Mangog, Kurse, Perrikus and the list continues.

And Superman has never used his speed against Despero, so i don't see how that's a factor at all.

And no, Thor isn't as Durable or naturally fast as Superman.

But the strength comparisons aren't set in stone. Superman doesn't dwarf Thor in strength.
And Supermans durablity is offset by Thors damage soak.

Despero isn't anything Thor couldn't handle solo.

Tpblasts? Nullified since we know the hammer can absorb them.
Strength? Nothing he hasn't faced before, and prevailed against.

A charged hammer toss from Thor would likely wreck Despero, since he can't take attacks from midtiers and wildlife in stride.

And dimwit, WWH isn't a low showing for anybody who he beats, since he got a powerup before it officially started, and his power level is dynamic in nature to begin with.

Hulk beating Blackbolt, Dr.Strange and anybody else isn't a low showing for them, since he's angry as hell and it's historical fact, that the angrier hulk is, the more powerful he is.

It's not like Despero, who has a high but static power level to begin with.
And Grundy varies appearance to appearance.

He's not always at his JSA thrashing levels, and you'd realize this if you took those rose hued glasses off when you read comics.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Despero wouldn't be a great Thor villain?
Why? Because he's stronger than Thor?

Mangog, Kurse, Perrikus and the list continues.

And Superman has never used his speed against Despero, so i don't see how that's a factor at all.

And no, Thor isn't as Durable or naturally fast as Superman.

But the strength comparisons aren't set in stone. Superman doesn't dwarf Thor in strength.
And Supermans durablity is offset by Thors damage soak.

Despero isn't anything Thor couldn't handle solo.

Tpblasts? Nullified since we know the hammer can absorb them.
Strength? Nothing he hasn't faced before, and prevailed against.

A charged hammer toss from Thor would likely wreck Despero, since he can't take attacks from midtiers and wildlife in stride.

And dimwit, WWH isn't a low showing for anybody who he beats, since he got a powerup before it officially started, and his power level is dynamic in nature to begin with.

Hulk beating Blackbolt, Dr.Strange and anybody else isn't a low showing for them, since he's angry as hell and it's historical fact, that the angrier hulk is, the more powerful he is.

It's not like Despero, who has a high but static power level to begin with.
And Grundy varies appearance to appearance.

He's not always at his JSA thrashing levels, and you'd realize this if you took those rose hued glasses off when you read comics.

Dont' tell me about glasses sir. Take your Blue Hued Glasses off. THor would get trashed By Despero any day of the week. ANd Thor's dmg soak means the big Donut compared to Superman's Insane lvl of Invulnerability. And It just seems rather Odd to me that Hulk can be said to have a power up when he beats everyone, but when superman does it, you all would rather lower everyone else in DC than raise Superman up to a higher standard. Double standard bullshit at it's best. Get lost.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Dont' tell me about glasses sir. Take your Blue Hued Glasses off. THor would get trashed By Despero any day of the week. ANd Thor's dmg soak means the big Donut compared to Superman's Insane lvl of Invulnerability. And It just seems rather Odd to me that Hulk can be said to have a power up when he beats everyone, but when superman does it, you all would rather lower everyone else in DC than raise Superman up to a higher standard. Double standard bullshit at it's best. Get lost.

Taking full-on energy blasts from Thanos and absorbing them into Mjolnir, with no damage done, is >> Superman's durability. Not only is his damage soak important, it's one of the biggest things Thor has going for him.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Taking full-on energy blasts from Thanos and absorbing them into Mjolnir, with no damage done, is >> Superman's durability. Not only is his damage soak important, it's one of the biggest things Thor has going for him.
Um, that would be Mjolnir's ability. NOT his own. The hammer isn't dmg soaking a punch. P.S. if we gonna count his hammer's DMg soak, then we sure as hell can count Diana's Bracelets in battles. She trumps them all.

No dumbspit.

Superman doesn't have a dynamic power level.

All OWAW was about, was showing how Superman performs above the rest of the heroes when he stops holding back.

Superman not holding back>>JLA, JSA, Outsiders and everybody else apparently.

Not holding back/dropping some mental blockage isn't anywhere near the same as someone who actually gets more powerful the angrier they get.

Add in the fact that his wife who may have been pregnant just died due to the bumblefukk that was the Illuminati, and i'd wager he's pretty mad, so that means he's steadily growing more powerful.

And the fact that he got a powerup before the crossover starts, really should tell you something.

You really are the biggest waste of forum bandwidth i've come across, mainly because your flat out dislike of Marvel clouds your judgement immensely.

And why would Thor get thrashed by Despero anyday of the week? He hasn't faced down people as physically dominant as the guy?

Blowhard, Thors rogue gallery personifies brute power over characterization!
Despero isn't above anyone else who's manhandled Thor, and he still pulls out the win.

Your bias is making you transparent.

Originally posted by UniOmni
No dumbspit.

Superman doesn't have a dynamic power level.

All OWAW was about, was showing how Superman performs above the rest of the heroes when he stops holding back.

Superman not holding back>>JLA, JSA, Outsiders and everybody else apparently.

Not holding back/dropping some mental blockage isn't anywhere near the same as someone who actually gets more powerful the angrier they get.

Add in the fact that his wife who may have been pregnant just died due to the bumblefukk that was the Illuminati, and i'd wager he's pretty mad, so that means he's steadily growing more powerful.

And the fact that he got a powerup before the crossover starts, really should tell you something.

You really are the biggest waste of forum bandwidth i've come across, mainly because your flat out dislike of Marvel clouds your judgement immensely.

And why would Thor get thrashed by Despero anyday of the week? He hasn't faced down people as physically dominant as the guy?

Blowhard, Thors rogue gallery personifies brute power over characterization!
Despero isn't above anyone else who's manhandled Thor, and he still pulls out the win.

Your bias is making you transparent.

LOL you think any of this means anything coming from you? You are one of the main marvel biased tards on here. YOur entire statement means nothing becuz you are NOT a balanced Poster. Please get a life and some skills before you decide who is a waste of bandwidth. My bias? You are an idiot who knows no bounds. Despero Constantly Team bashes the JLA. Now when Thor can team bash the JLA get back to me. THis is what I'm basing what I'm saying on. Not some made up bias that you wish to hand me. Now get lost and go wank or something. I can't believe anyone would have the nerve to say someoen that Trashes the JLA would be a good Thor Villian? ANd you don't call that Bias? WTF.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um, that would be Mjolnir's ability. NOT his own. The hammer isn't dmg soaking a punch. P.S. if we gonna count his hammer's DMg soak, then we sure as hell can count Diana's Bracelets in battles. She trumps them all.

Does Batman come without a utility belt? Or WW without her bracelets? No. It's standard equipment. I'm not stupid. I realize it's Mjolnir, not Thor's body. But Mjolnir is part of his character.

I would always consider WW's bracelets in battles with her. Why are we not extending the same courtesy to Thor? Besides, bracelets that block stuff <<<< Mjolnir....which has a ridiculous number of powerful and versatile powers.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's rediculous to even THINK that Thor is anywhere near as strong as Superman.

If you were trying to sound like a major fanboy .. you succeeded.

Also, nvr, you're being insanely condescending toward both of us at the moment. Grow up and learn to debate discussion points using evidence from both sides, not attack people personally and get upset with those who don't agree with you. You have 6 official warning and a temp ban...the fact that you want to contribute and not just insult is the only thing that's kept you here when others would have been perm-banned.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Does Batman come without a utility belt? Or WW without her bracelets? No. It's standard equipment. I'm not stupid. I realize it's Mjolnir, not Thor's body. But Mjolnir is part of his character.

I would always consider WW's bracelets in battles with her. Why are we not extending the same courtesy to Thor? Besides, bracelets that block stuff <<<< Mjolnir....which has a ridiculous number of powerful and versatile powers.

How many powers really doesn't mean much. The Impossible man has Trillions of powers by way of the fact that he can be whom ever he wants and gets thier powers. It's the out put that counts. You could throw everything that hammer had at Diana's bracelets. And it wouldn't even scratch them. I was saying that counting Thor's dmg soak via the hammer isn't really fair when talking about FIST. which the hammer does not soak.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Also, nvr, you're being insanely condescending toward both of us at the moment. Grow up and learn to debate discussion points using evidence from both sides, not attack people personally.

I wasn't condescending towards you. If that is they way your taking it. I was just explaining my point of view. Thor's dmg soak has nothing to do with his own personal durability. Which is what is at stake when fighting someone who uses fist. And UniOmni never deserves my respect. He constantly attacks me first. Should I just stay sweet and let him talk trash just becuz i have an opinion? I hadn't attacked him. He attacted first. Just becuz I am adamant about my stance doesn't mean I attacted him.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I wasn't condescending towards you. If that is they way your taking it. I was just explaining my point of view. Thor's dmg soak has nothing to do with his own personal durability. Which is what is at stake when fighting someone who uses fist. And UniOmni never deserves my respect. He constantly attacks me first. Should I just stay sweet and let him talk trash just becuz i have an opinion? I hadn't attacked him. He attacted first. Just becuz I am adamant about my stance doesn't mean I attacted him.

Treating my opinion flippantly, and stating things that it's obvious I know = condescending.

But mainly I was talking about your comments toward Uni. We know you think Despero wrecks Thor. But if you can't debate civilly, just leave the thread, because you're not getting anywhere.

It works both ways....you're doing and saying this to earn their disrespect, even if you're not the only one at fault. The myriad members who have no problem on the forums is evidence of that.

Originally posted by Scoobless
If you were trying to sound like a major fanboy .. you succeeded.



Too bad I absolutely hate Superman. But the evidence is there and it's pretty evident.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Treating my opinion flippantly, and stating things that it's obvious I know = condescending.

But mainly I was talking about your comments toward Uni. We know you think Despero wrecks Thor. But if you can't debate civilly, just leave the thread, because you're not getting anywhere.

HMM. Except Uni was just as uncivil towards me. And yet you single me out? Talk about not being biased. And trying to use evidence of who has more problems is a cop out. What does that mean? many of the same people who used to have problems with me, do not have them now. After careful consideration of what I was actually saying.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
It works both ways....you're doing and saying this to earn their disrespect, even if you're not the only one at fault. The myriad members who have no problem on the forums is evidence of that.

How many times have we had this exact same discussion? It starts with you, or it will never improve.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
LOL you think any of this means anything coming from you? You are one of the main marvel biased tards on here. YOur entire statement means nothing becuz you are NOT a balanced Poster. Please get a life and some skills before you decide who is a waste of bandwidth. My bias? You are an idiot who knows no bounds. Despero Constantly Team bashes the JLA. Now when Thor can team bash the JLA get back to me. THis is what I'm basing what I'm saying on. Not some made up bias that you wish to hand me. Now get lost and go wank or something. I can't believe anyone would have the nerve to say someoen that Trashes the JLA would be a good Thor Villian? ANd you don't call that Bias? WTF.

He faces down JLA teams, gets oneshotted by Superman, gets hurt by PG and Hawkman, and the list continues.

The last time he fought the JLA, he resorted to mind control to get the job done.
That won't work on Thor, due to the ability to absorb tpblasts.

He's likely stronger than Thor, true.

But so is Mangog, as well as Kurse. Perrikus as well. And he beats them too.

When his main advantage is nullified, and he's reduced to major brickstatus, why shouldn't a guy whose rogue gallery is filled with bricks that're above the top tier be able to squeeze out the win?

And the fact that you call me a marvel tard is truely laughable. Truely.

I've said many times that i read much more DC than Marvel.

The only thing i constantly check for from Marvel, is Spiderman, Daredevil, Runaways, Incredible Hulk at times(tho he's boring) and i'll be checking Omega Flight in the future.

Aside from that, all DC.
Superman, JSA, JLA, Green Lantern, New Gods(whenever something comes up) Batman and family, Whatever has Shazam related characters, BOP, Blue Beetle, Supergirl, Outsiders, Teen Titans and miniseries.

I read more of DC than anything else. Just because i don't pray at the altar of the villains doesn't mean i'm a biased Marvelite.

Go away bruh.

You can't carry an argument, so you resort to fanboy taunts.

Originally posted by UniOmni
He faces down JLA teams, gets oneshotted by Superman, gets hurt by PG and Hawkman, and the list continues.

The last time he fought the JLA, he resorted to mind control to get the job done.
That won't work on Thor, due to the ability to absorb tpblasts.

He's likely stronger than Thor, true.

But so is Mangog, as well as Kurse. Perrikus as well. And he beats them too.

When his main advantage is nullified, and he's reduced to major brickstatus, why shouldn't a guy whose rogue gallery is filled with bricks that're above the top tier be able to squeeze out the win?

And the fact that you call me a marvel tard is truely laughable. Truely.

I've said many times that i read much more DC than Marvel.

The only thing i constantly check for from Marvel, is Spiderman, Daredevil, Runaways, Incredible Hulk at times(tho he's boring) and i'll be checking Omega Flight in the future.

Aside from that, all DC.
Superman, JSA, JLA, Green Lantern, New Gods(whenever something comes up) Batman and family, Whatever has Shazam related characters, BOP, Blue Beetle, Supergirl, Outsiders, Teen Titans and miniseries.

I read more of DC than anything else. Just because i don't pray at the altar of the villains doesn't mean i'm a biased Marvelite.

Go away bruh.

You can't carry an argument, so you resort to fanboy taunts.

ANd you resort to insults when the evidence is handily against you. Thor doesnt Always absorb psy blast. That is the first point. He get's hit too many times by energy attacks and Psy control. Everything Thor can do, so can the JLA times Ten. So making the statement that He'd be a good thor villian is just OFF. If it as easy to over come his Psy powers as you make it, then the JLA would have done so years ago. Despero is a team wrecker and not a good THor Villian. Period. THat would be like me saying Count Nefaria would make a good Wonder Woman villian. WTF. A team wrecker against one Hero?

Ahh, but going by KMC rules, Thor would absorb tpblasts, especially since he's done so before.

And Despero normally sneak attacks the league.

The last time he faced them straight up, he didn't fire one tpblast to my recollection.

And the JLA can't do everything that Thor can do times ten.

In his hammer he's got more power usage than the big seven combined.

The only one who comes close is GL, and he doesn't have an answer to the godblast.

And i'm not saying Thor can solo the JLA, but i'm saying he's got enough power showings to say he's likely more versatile than the big seven.

And WW vs Count Nef is a bad analogy.

We haven't seen him brought low by what she brings to the table.

We've seen Despero hurt by sharks, Hawkman, Aquaman and oneshotted by the firepower of one extremely powerful character.

He's strong, true. But i wouldn't say he's stronger than Kurse or Mangog.

His tp is his main forte, and Thor has a good record against high powered telepaths without resorting to absorbing tpblasts at will.

He loses his main power, he falls right into the alley of the thundergod.

Thor takes down Despero 5.5 times outta ten on his own, imo.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
How many times have we had this exact same discussion? It starts with you, or it will never improve.

Did you just tell yourself off?

Originally posted by UniOmni
Ahh, but going by KMC rules, Thor would absorb tpblasts, especially since he's done so before.

And Despero normally sneak attacks the league.

The last time he faced them straight up, he didn't fire one tpblast to my recollection.

And the JLA can't do everything that Thor can do times ten.

In his hammer he's got more power usage than the big seven combined.

The only one who comes close is GL, and he doesn't have an answer to the godblast.

And i'm not saying Thor can solo the JLA, but i'm saying he's got enough power showings to say he's likely more versatile than the big seven.

And WW vs Count Nef is a bad analogy.

We haven't seen him brought low by what she brings to the table.

We've seen Despero hurt by sharks, Hawkman, Aquaman and oneshotted by the firepower of one extremely powerful character.

He's strong, true. But i wouldn't say he's stronger than Kurse or Mangog.

His tp is his main forte, and Thor has a good record against high powered telepaths without resorting to absorbing tpblasts at will.

He loses his main power, he falls right into the alley of the thundergod.

Thor takes down Despero 5.5 times outta ten on his own, imo.

I don't know about thor being more versatile than the big 7. GL is more versatile. And GL doesn't need the God blast. He only needs MM to unlock his will and he can do pretty much the same thing. SOme of ur points have merit. But as long as Despero wrecks the JLA as much as he does, I'm going with him for a heft majority against Thor. I'll give Despero as many wins against Thor as Superman. So like 2/10in Thor/Superman's favor.We have our stances. No need in circle arguing.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Ahh, but going by KMC rules, Thor would absorb tpblasts, especially since he's done so before.

And Despero normally sneak attacks the league.

The last time he faced them straight up, he didn't fire one tpblast to my recollection.

And the JLA can't do everything that Thor can do times ten.

In his hammer he's got more power usage than the big seven combined.

The only one who comes close is GL, and he doesn't have an answer to the godblast.

And i'm not saying Thor can solo the JLA, but i'm saying he's got enough power showings to say he's likely more versatile than the big seven.

And WW vs Count Nef is a bad analogy.

We haven't seen him brought low by what she brings to the table.

We've seen Despero hurt by sharks, Hawkman, Aquaman and oneshotted by the firepower of one extremely powerful character.

He's strong, true. But i wouldn't say he's stronger than Kurse or Mangog.

His tp is his main forte, and Thor has a good record against high powered telepaths without resorting to absorbing tpblasts at will.

He loses his main power, he falls right into the alley of the thundergod.

Thor takes down Despero 5.5 times outta ten on his own, imo.

"And the JLA can't do everything that Thor can do times ten. "

Ok, to my mind, that is outright bias.

"In his hammer he's got more power usage than the big seven combined."

More than Kyle, MM, Wondy, Supes, Flash, etc? HELL NO.

"The only one who comes close is GL, and he doesn't have an answer to the godblast." Kyle has feats WAYYYYYYYY over most of Thor's. Don't get into a pissing contest with Thor vs. Kyle or Hal, they've got power feats comparable to most of Thor's, and a few over.


"And i'm not saying Thor can solo the JLA, but i'm saying he's got enough power showings to say he's likely more versatile than the big seven."

Again I call bias. You think Thor can do half the shit Flash does? Or the jack of all trades powers that Martian has? Or Kyle? Or even the insane feats of Superman?

en masse, despero loses. he'd need prep to take down that squad. thor most certainly IS vulnerable to tp though.

Originally posted by leonidas
en masse, despero loses. he'd need prep to take down that squad. thor most certainly IS vulnerable to tp though.

This has been pissing me off immensely for some time. Is he vulnerable to TP or not? Everyone talks like no telepath can affect him, but I think most of them are just being too direct and giving him time to use the hammer to stop it. Like how Phoenix fired a shot at him directly with a TP blast, and the hammer sent it right back .

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
This has been pissing me off immensely for some time. Is he vulnerable to TP or not? Everyone talks like no telepath can affect him, but I think most of them are just being too direct and giving him time to use the hammer to stop it. Like how Phoenix fired a shot at him directly with a TP blast, and the hammer sent it right back .

TP can affect Thor but he is incredibly resistant to it. Under constant attack he has overcome almost every telepath he's been attacked by.

Basically he can raise his own mental defenses through force of will (or by getting angry) ... it's never described like that in the books but the result is the same.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
This has been pissing me off immensely for some time. Is he vulnerable to TP or not? Everyone talks like no telepath can affect him, but I think most of them are just being too direct and giving him time to use the hammer to stop it. Like how Phoenix fired a shot at him directly with a TP blast, and the hammer sent it right back .

oh, he most definitely IS susceptible. moondragon almost had him kill the avengers and convinced thor he was in love with her. and that was BEFORE she has the gem.

there have been other times as well where his head has been screwed around with. (morgan le faye was another off top of my head iirc . . .)

Originally posted by Scoobless
TP can affect Thor but he is incredibly resistant to it. Under constant attack he has overcome almost every telepath he's been attacked by.

Basically he can raise his own mental defenses through force of will (or by getting angry) ... it's never described like that in the books but the result is the same.

maybe. his defenses have been pretty sketchy at times, but they DO seem to suffer from pis. hard to tell. a high level tp is certainly capable of taking thor out, imo.

The only time I've ever seen his mental defenses broken is when he was catatonic (during the WM arc when he had the power gem). And even that was with difficulty, and Moondragon was in possession of the Mind Gem at the time.

So uber-resistant but not completely invulnerable sounds about right. And the potential of absorbing it and turning it back on its user is always a possibility too.

It might hinder him some, but it's definitely not an easy win for Despero that way.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
"And the JLA can't do everything that Thor can do times ten. "

Ok, to my mind, that is outright bias.

"In his hammer he's got more power usage than the big seven combined."

More than Kyle, MM, Wondy, Supes, Flash, etc? HELL NO.

"The only one who comes close is GL, and he doesn't have an answer to the godblast." Kyle has feats WAYYYYYYYY over most of Thor's. Don't get into a pissing contest with Thor vs. Kyle or Hal, they've got power feats comparable to most of Thor's, and a few over.


"And i'm not saying Thor can solo the JLA, but i'm saying he's got enough power showings to say he's likely more versatile than the big seven."

Again I call bias. You think Thor can do half the shit Flash does? Or the jack of all trades powers that Martian has? Or Kyle? Or even the insane feats of Superman?

Not the brightest bulb, ehh?

Just because Flash can and has done some really uber things with the speedforce, doesn't make him more versatile than Thor.

Surfer can't do everything Superman can, but he's easily more versatile.

Since when did versatility mean you had to be able to do what everyone else could, and more?

Read down the listing of powers Thor has shown with the mallet.

I never said he'd beat the JLA solo, but his power list> Their versatility.
Barring GL, and even then it's close.

Mind you, many of them are low powered one shots, but ehh. If it can be called a power, he's done it.

Its not bias to read GL, Superman, stay away but even then skim Wondy, and own the MM solo series and still say Thor's versatility list> Theirs.

Flash i won't speak on.

despero has overcome some strong telepaths before but I dont see him taking this. Although hes takin down people who are resistant to TP before id say there are to many on this team and he would be overwhelmed. Good luckin takin over Thor and Sentry. Sersi could at least put up a fight and i dont even remember who else was on that list.

Quasar is fully resistant to telepathic takeover (of a non-magical nature)

Originally posted by UniOmni
Not the brightest bulb, ehh?

Just because Flash can and has done some really uber things with the speedforce, doesn't make him more versatile than Thor.

Surfer can't do everything Superman can, but he's easily more versatile.

Since when did versatility mean you had to be able to do what everyone else could, and more?

Read down the listing of powers Thor has shown with the mallet.

I never said he'd beat the JLA solo, but his power list> Their versatility.
Barring GL, and even then it's close.

Mind you, many of them are low powered one shots, but ehh. If it can be called a power, he's done it.

Its not bias to read GL, Superman, stay away but even then skim Wondy, and own the MM solo series and still say Thor's versatility list> Theirs.

Flash i won't speak on.

WW alone vs. Thor is a 5/10 split

Originally posted by Kurash
WW alone vs. Thor is a 5/10 split

No it isn't.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Supposed, Sentry has god-like TP powers along with the void.

Can Sentry access the voids powers consciously? Any evidence?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Thor is also supposedly immune to TP.

Moondragon influenced Thors actions and brought out his feelings of superiority and for a short time turned him against the Avengers so no he is not immune. Thor is very resistant to TP though. Thor has resisted the Mind-Thrust Of the Colonizer, the Mind Blast of the Super-Beast- THOR-#135, and resisted a Mind-Storm Blast that the Beast, Iron Man, and most especially Moondragon could not-Avengers-#138.

I would like to point out that some DC villains have shitty durability, Despero is one of those. By shitty I don't mean they fall to the likes of Batman or sharks, but that they durability don't match their power levels. Example: Darkseid has a high skyfather quasi-abstract level but he gets hurt by above top tiers on a regular basis; his powers are way over them, no question about it, but he cannot ditch as much damage as he should. Despero is an above top tier whose durability is around top tier.

Thor has better energy resistance with Mjolnir than Supes, Clark has more physical resistance than him.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
"And the JLA can't do everything that Thor can do times ten. "

Ok, to my mind, that is outright bias.

"In his hammer he's got more power usage than the big seven combined."

More than Kyle, MM, Wondy, Supes, Flash, etc? HELL NO.

"The only one who comes close is GL, and he doesn't have an answer to the godblast." Kyle has feats WAYYYYYYYY over most of Thor's. Don't get into a pissing contest with Thor vs. Kyle or Hal, they've got power feats comparable to most of Thor's, and a few over.


"And i'm not saying Thor can solo the JLA, but i'm saying he's got enough power showings to say he's likely more versatile than the big seven."

Again I call bias. You think Thor can do half the shit Flash does? Or the jack of all trades powers that Martian has? Or Kyle? Or even the insane feats of Superman?

How is a bias admitting one character may be more versatile than a team, which may very well be the case with the exception of a Gl? Versatility doesn't equate to power.

MM, WW, Supes, and Flash? Yes he's displayed a longer list of powers than the characters mentioned. I won't speak on Kyle. However as I previously stated, versatility doesn't equate to power. Thor couldn't defeat these four on his own.

You obviously are incognizant of the definition of Versatility. The definition of versatility isn't "I can do what everyone else can do", it's having or capable of many uses.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
This has been pissing me off immensely for some time. Is he vulnerable to TP or not? Everyone talks like no telepath can affect him, but I think most of them are just being too direct and giving him time to use the hammer to stop it. Like how Phoenix fired a shot at him directly with a TP blast, and the hammer sent it right back .

Why, because he's more powerful than Apocalypse?

While vulnerable he is still extremely resistant to it. As others have pointed out, he has overcome nearly every Telepath he's been attacked by. Add that to his ability to absorb telepathic bolts and you have an extremely potent defense.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IT really doesn't matter. Deserpo's TP is on another lvl than what any of these marvel guys have faced. Thier vaunted psi resistance means nothing when they don't face people with Tp like his at all. Marvels Psy's are pretty boo boo, unless it's like Cassandra Nova or someone like that. Moondragon with the mind gem was pathetic. Eternity can be blasted into a coma but these guys can't? Not buying it. ANd Despero Easily man handles Superman. And Supers is stronger than everyone on this list by far. And more durable except maybe the Eternal.

Despero's TP is on another lv that what any of these Marvel guys have faced? You obviously turned a blind eye to the last um.... 45+ years of Marvel comics.

Yet another biased statement. It's an established fact that TP is one of Marvels major strengths.

It's debatable rather or not Superman is stronger at all, let alone by far.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I said Superman was more durable. But Despero wouldn't be a great Thor Villian. Thor would get his head handed to him. He's isn't nearly as durably or strong or fast as superman. ANd we see how despero does Sueprman hand to hand. And Boo on you for trying to use a comic where Batman beat Solomongrundy hand to hand. I cannot wait till warhulk comes out so I can use that to pretty much lower the bar on everyone he beats. The same way u try and use a bullshit comic on Despero.

Why not? Despero isn't anything more than Thor's faced off and prevailed against before. Extremely strong, with some powerful tp? Doesn't sound any more powerful Than Mangog, Kurse, Perrikus, of for that matter Cain Marko.

While he may not be as fast or durable he is easily as strong, and his damage soak makes up for what he lacks in durability. Even so, Thor still remains extremely durable.

As said, Despero isn't anything Thor hasn't faced solo before.

It's likely Despero would fall to an anti matter blast, or a magically enhanced hammer bash to the face. His durability isn't what you believe it to be. As others have pointed out, he has been hurt by far less capable beings than Thor.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Dont' tell me about glasses sir. Take your Blue Hued Glasses off. THor would get trashed By Despero any day of the week. ANd Thor's dmg soak means the big Donut compared to Superman's Insane lvl of Invulnerability. And It just seems rather Odd to me that Hulk can be said to have a power up when he beats everyone, but when superman does it, you all would rather lower everyone else in DC than raise Superman up to a higher standard. Double standard bullshit at it's best. Get lost.

As others have pointed out, taking full on energy blasts from extremely powerful beings and absorbing them into Mjolnir, with no damage done, is a greater asset than Superman's durability. Not only is his damage soak important, it's one of the biggest things Thor has going for him.

You also have ignored the fact that Thor has faced similar but more powerful beings to Despero in Mangog, and Kurse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um, that would be Mjolnir's ability. NOT his own. The hammer isn't dmg soaking a punch. P.S. if we gonna count his hammer's DMg soak, then we sure as hell can count Diana's Bracelets in battles. She trumps them all.

Mjolnir is as much a part of Thor as the PC is to Surfer, or the GL ring is to Kyle. While it isn't exactly his power, it is a part of him that completes the character.

An extremely powerful hammer with a ridiculous number of powers and abilities easily trumps a pair of bracelets that block things.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
How many powers really doesn't mean much. The Impossible man has Trillions of powers by way of the fact that he can be whom ever he wants and gets thier powers. It's the out put that counts. You could throw everything that hammer had at Diana's bracelets. And it wouldn't even scratch them. I was saying that counting Thor's dmg soak via the hammer isn't really fair when talking about FIST. which the hammer does not soak.

Being versatile doesn't mean much? Versatility is one of the most important factors in deciding these battles. To ignore the versatility of a character would be simply contemptible.

Horrible analogy.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ANd you resort to insults when the evidence is handily against you. Thor doesnt Always absorb psy blast. That is the first point. He get's hit too many times by energy attacks and Psy control. Everything Thor can do, so can the JLA times Ten. So making the statement that He'd be a good thor villian is just OFF. If it as easy to over come his Psy powers as you make it, then the JLA would have done so years ago. Despero is a team wrecker and not a good THor Villian. Period. THat would be like me saying Count Nefaria would make a good Wonder Woman villian. WTF. A team wrecker against one Hero?

Hypocrite. Thus far insults are basically all you've contributed to this thread.

Your basically showing us that you have no idea what your talking about.

While vulnerable Thor is still extremely resistant to tp. As others have pointed out, he has overcome nearly every Telepath he's been attacked by.

The JLA can't do everything Thor can, let alone times ten.

Originally posted by His Airness
Despero's TP is on another lv that what any of these Marvel guys have faced? You obviously turned a blind eye to the last um.... 45+ years of Marvel comics.

Yet another biased statement. It's an established fact that TP is one of Marvels major strengths.

It's debatable rather or not Superman is stronger at all, let alone by far.



Why not? Despero isn't anything more than Thor's faced off and prevailed against before. Extremely strong, with some powerful tp? Doesn't sound any more powerful Than Mangog, Kurse, Perrikus, of for that matter Cain Marko.

While he may not be as fast or durable he is easily as strong, and his damage soak makes up for what he lacks in durability. Even so, Thor still remains extremely durable.

As said, Despero isn't anything Thor hasn't faced solo before.

It's likely Despero would fall to an anti matter blast, or a magically enhanced hammer bash to the face. His durability isn't what you believe it to be. As others have pointed out, he has been hurt by far less capable beings than Thor.



As others have pointed out, taking full on energy blasts from extremely powerful beings and absorbing them into Mjolnir, with no damage done, is a greater asset than Superman's durability. Not only is his damage soak important, it's one of the biggest things Thor has going for him.

You also have ignored the fact that Thor has faced similar but more powerful beings to Despero in Mangog, and Kurse.



Mjolnir is as much a part of Thor as the PC is to Surfer, or the GL ring is to Kyle. While it isn't exactly his power, it is a part of him that completes the character.

An extremely powerful hammer with a ridiculous number of powers and abilities easily trumps a pair of bracelets that block things.



Being versatile doesn't mean much? Versatility is one of the most important factors in deciding these battles. To ignore the versatility of a character would be simply contemptible.

Horrible analogy.



Hypocrite. Thus far insults are basically all you've contributed to this thread.

Your basically showing us that you have no idea what your talking about.

While vulnerable Thor is still extremely resistant to tp. As others have pointed out, he has overcome nearly every Telepath he's been attacked by.

The JLA can't do everything Thor can, let alone times ten.

I didnt' care for a thing you said. You said that the JLA can't do everything Thor can do. WRONG. GL can do everything Thor can do. THOR can't do everything the JLA can. Unless he can move as fast as the flash, hand out Imps, phase like manhunter, turn invisible, Make even God's bend to his will, drill to the center of planets only using his hands and more. You calling me a hippcrit means what? Nothing. Thor's DMG said means not a damned thing becuz he's fighting someone with TP and fist. One doesn't have to use TP as blast that can be blocked. How about just taking over someone's mind? Thor's been taken over enough for us to know he's not resistant. Your entire argument is without merit and mired in your own attempt to get in some shots at me. try harder. Thor can never beat Despero where the JLA fail. And he certainly isn't more versatile than THe JLA. Rediculous.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Despero. He can pwn all of them with TP.

This was my first thought. Has it been adressed?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
This was my first thought. Has it been adressed?

Many times. The guys seem to think that the team just resist Despero's lvl of tp with ease. I bet if this where THanos's TP they wouldn't say that. and Despero is easily as powerful as Thanos is with TP if not more so.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
This was my first thought. Has it been adressed? It has been addressed. Many of the major Avengers in this fight either have TP resistance or invulnerability. Given time, Despero might be able to get through the defenses, but I'm doubtful that he could pwn them on TP alone.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Many times. The guys seem to think that the team just resist Despero's lvl of tp with ease. I bet if this where THanos's TP they wouldn't say that. and Despero is easily as powerful as Thanos is with TP if not more so. Oh give it up already.

Also, Despero was one-shotted by Superman lately...

Originally posted by Acrosurge
It has been addressed. Many of the major Avengers in this fight either have TP resistance or invulnerability. Given time, Despero might be able to get through the defenses, but I'm doubtful that he could pwn them on TP alone.

I just looked at the line up (didn't even know some of those people had been Avengers).

He'll go down eventually.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Many times. The guys seem to think that the team just resist Despero's lvl of tp with ease. I bet if this where THanos's TP they wouldn't say that. and Despero is easily as powerful as Thanos is with TP if not more so.

Thanos never showed TP on Despero level.

Originally posted by dvampire
Thanos never showed TP on Despero level. Mindwiping the Fallen One and more importantly, Kosmos (aka the Beyonder) seems like some pretty good TP to me.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Oh give it up already.

Also, Despero was one-shotted by Superman lately...

Get a life. Despero was handing Supers his ass hand to hand. And then supers one shots him with heat vision? Oh yeah, that was superman batman. the most PIS filled book on the shelves. Along with Worl War Hulk

Originally posted by dvampire
Thanos never showed TP on Despero level. Shutting off Beyonder's brain? Fighting Galactus inside Galactus's mind...

Anyway, since this is just going to involve a bunch of stupid arguments, with no knowledge of events or anything...

Thanos doesn't really use TP that much, so we wouldn't have a gauge, to put it out accordingly.
Blah, blah, blah, Thanos is irrelevent...
But not to nvr, since he needs something to b*tch about.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Shutting off Beyonder's brain? Fighting Galactus inside Galactus's mind...

Anyway, since this is just going to involve a bunch of stupid arguments, with no knowledge of events or anything...

Thanos doesn't really use TP that much, so we wouldn't have a gauge, to put it out accordingly.
Blah, blah, blah, Thanos is irrelevent...
But not to nvr, since he needs something to b*tch about.

You need to get a life. Or you'll end up looking a fool. many have said I " bitched" and ended up looking rather stupid when everything I said ended up being quite true. Now get a life you lame duck hulk fan. Your character can't even fly.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Get a life. Despero was handing Supers his ass hand to hand. And then supers one shots him with heat vision? Oh yeah, that was superman batman. the most PIS filled book on the shelves. Along with Worl War Hulk You go first.
All you do is compare any character to Thanos.
Redicules really.

Ya, I was joking. Complete turn-a-round in Superman's powers though...

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
You go first.
All you do is compare any character to Thanos.
Redicules really.

Ya, I was joking. Complete turn-a-round in Superman's powers though...

I only bring Thanos up becuz of the Worship He gets.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You need to get a life. Or you'll end up looking a fool. many have said I " bitched" and ended up looking rather stupid when everything I said ended up being quite true. Now get a life you lame duck hulk fan. Your character can't even fly. Oh shut up.
"I have been right"

Too bad you can't articulate this into a debate.

You could be right about anything ever, but it means nothing, since you can't put it into words, or make anyone believe you.

No one has looked like a fool, and specially since I have never been made a fool by you, so, really, don't see the relevency.

Also, your b*tching has nothing to do with you being right, and no matter how right you can be, there is no excuse for involving Thanos into every thread, for no apparent reason.

Hulk fan? Don't know where that came from...

Actually...
http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/6665/avengerscelestialquest0vo1.th.jpg

*After he activated the power cosmic (that he also doesn't have) that drives him mad whenever he uses it*
Also, who cares if he can fly or not?

But meh, this conversation is pointless, so, Despero probably loses (might have to check out the lineup though).
Continue the debate, but continue it with yourself.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Oh shut up.
"I have been right"

Too bad you can't articulate this into a debate.

You could be right about anything ever, but it means nothing, since you can't put it into words, or make anyone believe you.

No one has looked like a fool, and specially since I have never been made a fool by you, so, really, don't see the relevency.

Also, your b*tching has nothing to do with you being right, and no matter how right you can be, there is no excuse for involving Thanos into every thread, for no apparent reason.

Hulk fan? Don't know where that came from...

Actually...
http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/6665/avengerscelestialquest0vo1.th.jpg

*After he activated the power cosmic (that he also doesn't have) that drives him mad whenever he uses it*
Also, who cares if he can fly or not?

But meh, this conversation is pointless, so, Despero probably loses (might have to check out the lineup though).
Continue the debate, but continue it with yourself.
ANd it seems as if you came into this thread with no intent of talking about the thread, but rather to try and wage assualt against me. You lame. You don't see me going into threads looking for your lame ass do you? I brought THanos up as a point of reference you tard. Now go get laid. Or get a life. Get bent. Get rich. Get something. But get of my Nuts Honey.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ANd it seems as if you came into this thread with no intent of talking about the thread, but rather to try and wage assualt against me. You lame. You don't see me going into threads looking for your lame ass do you? I brought THanos up as a point of reference you tard. Now go get laid. Or get a life. Get bent. Get rich. Get something. But get of my Nuts Honey.

Do you mean get off your nuts? The way you put it sounds like an offer.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ANd it seems as if you came into this thread with no intent of talking about the thread, but rather to try and wage assualt against me. You lame. You don't see me going into threads looking for your lame ass do you? I brought THanos up as a point of reference you tard. Now go get laid. Or get a life. Get bent. Get rich. Get something. But get of my Nuts Honey. So, since Despero just recently (last showing) got one-shotted by Superman, with his HV...

I think Quaser could take him down pretty fast.

Originally posted by zozo_yoyo_xoxo
Do you mean get off your nuts? The way you put it sounds like an offer.

Not from Him. I wouldn't Dare. He couldn't Hold my Nuts if his hand were David Beckham or Will Smith's hand.

Why did you capitalize nuts and him and dare and hold?

Originally posted by leonidas
en masse, despero loses. he'd need prep to take down that squad. thor most certainly IS vulnerable to tp though.

I can agree with that

Avengers 7/10 (6/10)

Quasar is the only one for sure is protected,the issue with him getting beat by TP and then making the quantum bands create a jamming signal to protect him is alluding me but i remember it,

Sersi is the next one,,she can help those under despero's control

thor/ironman have shown some defense against it,but at despero's level i cant say for sure

The others are screwed,i am not going with the sentry might have and what not,unless quasar can give them protection(not sure if he has done so,i remember the overmind could not effect quasar,did he protect some of the squadron surpreme from him?)

I see despero getting 3-4 wins by creating havok amongst the heroes,it will not be easy for the Avengers or Despero, and i think it is a good thread

Nvrbeenwthagirl-Can Despero teleport out of the Quantum zone without the flame of ?(cant remember the name of the flame) if yes i might have to think this over again

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
So, since Despero just recently (last showing) got one-shotted by Superman, with his HV...

I think Quaser could take him down pretty fast.

Since We have pretty much agreed that Superman Batman doesn't follow the rules and is pretty much a stroke fest filled with PIS. we don't use those examples. This is the same book that had batman fighting Doomsday clones with a batarang and an ax and had Batman Beat Grundy in Hand to Hand, Had WW deflect the OB, and Superman Recover from Getting his ass handed to him by ds in what? Like one second?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Why did you capitalize nuts and him and dare and hold? I guess they're names now...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Why did you capitalize nuts and him and dare and hold?

It's my Trade mark to type any way I feel LIKE it.

Originally posted by starlock
I can agree with that

Avengers 7/10 (6/10)

Quasar is the only one for sure is protected,the issue with him getting beat by TP and then making the quantum bands create a jamming signal to protect him is alluding me but i remember it,

Sersi is the next one,,she can help those under despero's control

thor/ironman have shown some defense against it,but at despero's level i cant say for sure

The others are screwed,i am not going with the sentry might have and what not,unless quasar can give them protection(not sure if he has done so,i remember the overmind could not effect quasar,did he protect some of the squadron surpreme from him?)

I see despero getting 3-4 wins by creating havok amongst the heroes,it will not be easy for the Avengers or Despero, and i think it is a good thread

Nvrbeenwthagirl-Can Despero teleport out of the Quantum zone without the flame of ?(cant remember the name of the flame) if yes i might have to think this over again

Despero has Serious Teleportation Abilities. The Flame of Pytar is what your looking for. Despero has never been shown to be able to be held in any zone becuz of his Teleportation powers. And His TK is also a force as well. It seems to hit as hard as his TP does. He used it on EASG.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Since We have pretty much agreed that Superman Batman doesn't follow the rules and is pretty much a stroke fest filled with PIS. we don't use those examples. This is the same book that had batman fighting Doomsday clones with a batarang and an ax and had Batman Beat Grundy in Hand to Hand, Had WW deflect the OB, and Superman Recover from Getting his ass handed to him by ds in what? Like one second? It was a bat-axe, not just an axe.
Oh boy, he beat the shit out of Grundy (that's what the b*tch gets for attacking the "Bat-Man" from behind)! Given another chance, he'd do the same.

But, I thought there was some sort of explanation for her doing this...
Now, it's used to show the books are full of pis?

He's going to have to do it again, because I have a feeling DS is going to be eating shit through a straw after Superman is done with him.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
It was a bat-axe, not just an axe.
Oh boy, he beat the shit out of Grundy (that's what the b*tch gets for attacking the "Bat-Man" from behind)! Given another chance, he'd do the same.

But, I thought there was some sort of explanation for her doing this...
Now, it's used to show the books are full of pis?

He's going to have to do it again, because I have a feeling DS is going to be eating shit through a straw after Superman is done with him.

Probably not. Since DS is going to kill Superman's Best freind and pretty much **** with all of DC. Superman wont' be doing much of anything. P.S. You trying to start another argument wont' work. Lamo.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Probably not. Since DS is going to kill Superman's Best freind and pretty much **** with all of DC. Superman wont' be doing much of anything. P.S. You trying to start another argument wont' work. Lamo. Which in turn will piss off Superman... bad things happen to DS when Superman's mad...

Was that a question? I don't know if I should answer it, since I don't know what it's supposed to be.

Despero goes down. HARD. Thor? Sentry? Sersi? Quasar? Ouch.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Despero goes down. HARD. Thor? Sentry? Sersi? Quasar? Ouch.

Let's not forget that Despero has TK, TP, Hypnosis, and He can teleport not only himself, but others with his powers as well. He can bfr the tuffest of the opponents, Mind control the ones who have less resistance, and pummel the very strongest on his own. I'd say Deserpo gets 5-6/10 Using his brain. besides, Most of these guys aren't as fast in battle as say Superman and Captain marvel or flash, and Despero uses his powers well against them.

All those powers you mentioned? The people I mentioned have those, to greater degree and more powers to boot.

Seriously. Despero barely knocks out the weaker members of the JLA in multiple issues, he ISN'T taking down that team.

Avengers ftw

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I didnt' care for a thing you said. You said that the JLA can't do everything Thor can do. WRONG. GL can do everything Thor can do. THOR can't do everything the JLA can. Unless he can move as fast as the flash, hand out Imps, phase like manhunter, turn invisible, Make even God's bend to his will, drill to the center of planets only using his hands and more. You calling me a hippcrit means what? Nothing. Thor's DMG said means not a damned thing becuz he's fighting someone with TP and fist. One doesn't have to use TP as blast that can be blocked. How about just taking over someone's mind? Thor's been taken over enough for us to know he's not resistant. Your entire argument is without merit and mired in your own attempt to get in some shots at me. try harder. Thor can never beat Despero where the JLA fail. And he certainly isn't more versatile than THe JLA. Rediculous.

So thats your argument? I don't care for a thing you said? Ah whats it matter, it seems as if I'm talking to a wall.

Thats because they can't. There is no evidence supporting your claims, and I doubt a GL could channel the godly energies he does not possess in the form of a powerful blast.

Never said he could. If you took the time to actually read through my argument you would realize that I specifically stated Thor couldn't duplicate all the powers of the big 7.

Again you make it evident that you have no idea what your talking about. Thor has phased and turned in visible. Making gods bend to your will and drilling to cores of planets using strength aren't powers. However their feats I believe he could duplicate.

It's hypocrite.

We've already pointed out Thor's resistance to TP, and his extreme durability. Physical strength isn't something Thor's new to.

You have no idea how many times Thor's mind resistance has been breached. In fact i doubt you've ever read a comic where a character even made an attempt to attack Thor via TP.

The rest of your post is irrelevant as you make no attempt to refute my arguments with evidence but simply provide us with your biased opinion. Also, it's spelled ridiculous.

Originally posted by His Airness
So thats your argument? I don't care for a thing you said? Ah whats it matter, it seems as if I'm talking to a wall.

Thats because they can't. There is no evidence supporting your claims, and I doubt a GL could channel the godly energies he does not possess in the form of a powerful blast.

Never said he could. If you took the time to actually read through my argument you would realize that I specifically stated Thor couldn't duplicate all the powers of the big 7.

Again you make it evident that you have no idea what your talking about. Thor has phased and turned in visible. Making gods bend to your will and drilling to cores of planets using strength aren't powers. However their feats I believe he could duplicate.

It's hypocrite.

We've already pointed out Thor's resistance to TP, and his extreme durability. Physical strength isn't something Thor's new to.

You have no idea how many times Thor's mind resistance has been breached. In fact i doubt you've ever read a comic where a character even made an attempt to attack Thor via TP.

The rest of your post is irrelevant as you make no attempt to refute my arguments with evidence but simply provide us with your biased opinion. Also, it's spelled ridiculous.

Of course you know I dont' care how I spell. Thor can't channel cosmic energy. So you mentioning him channeling Godly energies means not a damned thing. Wonder WOman can channel Godly Energy. THor cannot Duplicate the feats of the JLA. Let's see, Kyle rebuilt Heaven's ladder, SUpers, Wonder, and MM, pulled the earth against the sun's gravity, MM has uber TP, Thor has none, MM can shape change, Thor cannot, Superman moves and reacts at light speeds, Thor does not, Flash can do Imps and steal kinetic energy, Thor has never done that. Thor cannot reproduce every feat The JLA can but they sure as hell can do everything he can. and more.