What constitutes athiesm for God?

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ragesRemorse
If athiesm is the absence of believing in deities, and God is the one and only God, is he then an athiest?

lord xyz
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
If athiesm is the absence of believing in deities, and God is the one and only God, is he then an athiest? No, he believes in himself, doesn't he?

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by lord xyz
No, he believes in himself, doesn't he?

Unless he's a nihilist.

ragesRemorse
Originally posted by lord xyz
No, he believes in himself, doesn't he?

would that count? I know the Bible says that christ believes in humanity, which in return would mean GOD believes in humanity. And if god is in us all, i guess he would believe in himself without believing in himself. However, does a god believing in himself count as believing in a God? Whats makes a GOD?

Jim Reaper
Originally posted by lord xyz
No, he believes in himself, doesn't he?

He looks in the mirror every morning and says ",i'm good enough, i'm smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me."

H. S. 6
No, he looks in the mirror and says, "Fair enough. You exist." stick out tongue

lord xyz
He looks in the mirror and says "How can I not exist? Stupid atheists."

Mindship
God believes in us. That makes him a humanist. smokin'

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
If athiesm is the absence of believing in deities, and God is the one and only God, is he then an athiest?


No, god believes in other gods. Remember the ten commandments?

I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery, you shall have no other gods before me.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, god believes in other gods. Remember the ten commandments?

I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery, you shall have no other gods before me.

Technically that does not exclude the existance of other gods. It merely says that God is above them.

Nellinator
Yep, the Bible admits the existance of others gods, but calls them false. Some gods it says do not exist, others are identified as demons.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
you shall have no other gods before me. He didn't say anything about after. 313

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Technically that does not exclude the existence of other gods. It merely says that God is above them.

But if I was the only person in existence, and I said you shall not have any other person as your friend except for me. Would you think I was a little off? There is no other person, so how could you have any other person as a friend? Even god knew that there was other gods. wink

lord xyz
meh.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But if I was the only person in existence, and I said you shall not have any other person as your friend except for me. Would you think I was a little off? There is no other person, so how could you have any other person as a friend? Even god knew that there was other gods. wink

confused Isn't just about exactly what I said just using more alanogies?

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
confused Isn't just about exactly what I said just using more alanogies?

You wrote something? confused laughing

Symmetric Chaos
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Boris
Even God knows he doesn't exist.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Boris
Even God knows he doesn't exist.

eek! Now that is just twisted. evil face

Mindship
Originally posted by Boris
Even God knows he doesn't exist.
The Ultimate Omnipotence Paradox. shifty

lord xyz
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ADarksideJedi
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
If athiesm is the absence of believing in deities, and God is the one and only God, is he then an athiest?

No why would you even ask that question?jm smile

lord xyz
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
No why would you even ask that question?jm smile I think he was trying to ask a different question.

ADarksideJedi
Which is?jm

lord xyz
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Which is?jm Does God believe in someone who created him I assume.

DigiMark007
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Thus endeth the discussion.

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Thundar
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
If athiesm is the absence of believing in deities, and God is the one and only God, is he then an athiest?

Nope, because he believes in himself. Or as he puts it --

Isaiah 45:5,23

I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God.

I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Besides, if he stated there is no God, he'd be lying...which is something that God doesn't do..wink

inimalist
Originally posted by Thundar

Besides, if he stated there is no God, he'd be lying...which is something that God doesn't do..wink

other than that time when he told that guy to kill his child in an act of faith

then at the last minute was like "gotcha!"

lord xyz
Originally posted by DigiMark007
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Thus endeth the discussion.

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Nellinator
Originally posted by inimalist
other than that time when he told that guy to kill his child in an act of faith

then at the last minute was like "gotcha!" Twas not a lie.

debbiejo
And god told you this??

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by inimalist
other than that time when he told that guy to kill his child in an act of faith

then at the last minute was like "gotcha!"

Serious question.

Have you ever read Fall of Hyperion? It has an interesting take on the whole Abraham thing.

inimalist
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Serious question.

Have you ever read Fall of Hyperion? It has an interesting take on the whole Abraham thing.

no, i am sadly unread on many religious things

I'll take a look for it

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by DigiMark007
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Thus endeth the discussion.

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It's time to leave the forum when I start seeing reruns. eek!

marcu
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, god believes in other gods. Remember the ten commandments?

I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery, you shall have no other gods before me.

Shaky, do you take the word "gods" in this scentence as in physical gods or tanglible things...such as drugs, material goods, money...and so on?

I think he is not only referring to other "gods" as in physical as well as anything and everything that you focus on and love more than Him. Anything you depend on more than Him....what sayeth you about that?

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by marcu
Shaky, do you take the word "gods" in this scentence as in physical gods or tanglible things...such as drugs, material goods, money...and so on?

I think he is not only referring to other "gods" as in physical as well as anything and everything that you focus on and love more than Him. Anything you depend on more than Him....what sayeth you about that?

However, all gods, including the god of the bible, are products of the imagination. So, when the imaginary god of Moses said do not have other gods before me, this imaginary god was referring to other imaginary gods.

marcu
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, all gods, including the god of the bible, are products of the imagination. So, when the imaginary god of Moses said do not have other gods before me, this imaginary god was referring to other imaginary gods.

Somewhere deeeeep within you I know you don't believe there is no God. Dive deep and I'm sure it's there.

How did we get here Shaky? The complex physical being of a human being...how did that come about? Sex makes babies but who designed us that way? To make a home in the belly for a growing baby that can come out and survive outside the womb?

Go waaaaay back and think hard about the creation of such a complex being. It amazes me everytime I think about it. No big bang can do that. Nope. Only the Creator. smile

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by marcu
Somewhere deeeeep within you I know you don't believe there is no God. Dive deep and I'm sure it's there.

How did we get here Shaky? The complex physical being of a human being...how did that come about? Sex makes babies but who designed us that way? To make a home in the belly for a growing baby that can come out and survive outside the womb?

Go waaaaay back and think hard about the creation of such a complex being. It amazes me everytime I think about it. No big bang can do that. Nope. Only the Creator. smile

I do believe in God, but the god of the bible is just fiction.

How did we get here? My mother gave birth to me. How did we get here? We have always been here. The universe is alive, and life always appears anywhere the it can.

I don't believe in a creation because I believe that the universe has always been and always will be. The big bang was just a part of a much bigger cycle, like a light flashing in the darkness. The energy of life cannot be destroyed or created; only the body is destroyed.

marcu
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I do believe in God, but the god of the bible is just fiction.

How did we get here? My mother gave birth to me. How did we get here? We have always been here. The universe is alive, and life always appears anywhere the it can.

I don't believe in a creation because I believe that the universe has always been and always will be. The big bang was just a part of a much bigger cycle, like a light flashing in the darkness. The energy of life cannot be destroyed or created; only the body is destroyed.


You believe in what God? If you believe in God...where do you think he is?

marcu
I am honestly contemplating a thread just to hash it all out with ya there Shaky! LOL. I am trying oh so hard to figure you out...but there is so many threads that contain bits and pieces here and there. Wonder if the mods would mind a "Let me talk God with Shaky" thread? shifty

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by marcu
You believe in what God? If you believe in God...where do you think he is?

God is not a "he". God is the Mystic Law, and the Mystic Law cannot be understood by humans. God is inside of everything; see FlatLand.

http://www.alcyone.com/max/lit/flatland/

We do not perceive the real world.

marcu
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
God is not a "he". God is the Mystic Law, and the Mystic Law cannot be understood by humans. God is inside of everything; see FlatLand.

http://www.alcyone.com/max/lit/flatland/

We do not perceive the real world.

Before I read that whole thing...It does say "tale" in the opening scentence. Why?

I can read Harry Potter if I wanna read some guys mystical story. *smirks*

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by marcu
Before I read that whole thing...It does say "tale" in the opening scentence. Why?

I can read Harry Potter if I wanna read some guys mystical story. *smirks*

laughing It is not a holy book. laughing It gives a point of view that can be used to understand my thoughts about where God is.

marcu
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
laughing It is not a holy book. laughing It gives a point of view that can be used to understand my thoughts about where God is.

I noticed you are avoiding my post on the last page about my thread idea. You scared? stick out tongue

Now, this "god" you are talking about..is he/she/it in control of the world in which you live? Does this "god" give you your life path and let you know in any way what is right and wrong? Or is it just a "thing" that has always been and it has no guidance for your life at all?

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by marcu
I noticed you are avoiding my post on the last page about my thread idea. You scared? stick out tongue

Now, this "god" you are talking about..is he/she/it in control of the world in which you live? Does this "god" give you your life path and let you know in any way what is right and wrong? Or is it just a "thing" that has always been and it has no guidance for your life at all?

The answer to your question is: *drum roll* both yes and no...

I am not separate from God. The reason I am, is because of God, but I am not special.

I didn't read your thread idea, I'm at work and I'm not reading everything. Sorry!

marcu
Will you die and meet this god? Soul?

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by marcu
Will you die and meet this god? Soul?

You are still thinking that I am separate from God. I don't have to die to meet God; I am part of God. When I die; this body dies, but I am more then just this body. I am connected and part of God, and I cannot be destroyed. I will return.

marcu
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are still thinking that I am separate from God. I don't have to die to meet God; I am part of God. When I die; this body dies, but I am more then just this body. I am connected and part of God, and I cannot be destroyed. I will return.

Come back as yourself? Or somebody or something different?

Does the faith you live by have consequesnces for the way in which you live life? THe things you do? Or is it free reign to do anything and everything without reward opr punishment in the end?

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by marcu
Come back as yourself? Or somebody or something different?

Does the faith you live by have consequesnces for the way in which you live life? THe things you do? Or is it free reign to do anything and everything without reward opr punishment in the end?

I would come back as someone different.

Consequences? I am responsible for all things in my life. The law of cause and effect is a hard law with no forgiveness. However, I can change my Karma, because not all Karma is emailable. If I do something wrong, I have to face the consequences of that action. If I wish to have a good life, I will think right. If I want to have a bad life, I will think wrong.

marcu
So there is no prayer...cause you'd be essentially praying to yourself then, no?

What kind of consequences? Give me an example of something wrong you could do and what kind of consequence it would bring forth.

Shakyamunison

marcu
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You could call this God, but you would fall short.



mad In YOUR opinion. stick out tongue

So consequences is nothing more then than the path in which your life takes after you do good or bad?

That hardly seems too tough to deal with on a daily basis...if you can just "get away" with things and the end of your life has no consequence.

Easy way out it seems, eh? roll eyes (sarcastic)

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by marcu
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You could call this God, but you would fall short.



mad In YOUR opinion. stick out tongue

So consequences is nothing more then than the path in which your life takes after you do good or bad?

That hardly seems too tough to deal with on a daily basis...if you can just "get away" with things and the end of your life has no consequence.

Easy way out it seems, eh? roll eyes (sarcastic)

Only if you are evil and fill with dilution. However, if you are a truly good person, and you do something wrong, you will suffer for it.

ragesRemorse
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But if I was the only person in existence, and I said you shall not have any other person as your friend except for me. Would you think I was a little off? There is no other person, so how could you have any other person as a friend? Even god knew that there was other gods. wink

but if you are God and you created humanity, and supposedly know everything that happened and is going to happen, you would then know how people think. Knowing this is knowing that people would find other Gods to believe in, or sell. considering they, we as humanity believed in many Gods years before the Bible was written. People believed the sun was a God during the time of christ, it does not mean the sun is a God, by God saying that you shall not put any Gods before him, to me, says that he is the one and only God and not the crap that you have been worshiping all these years.

However, i know for a fact that there are references in the Bible where God refers to humanity being made in the image of us, or something along the lines which insinuates that there were more Gods or more like him. It was One of the shinning things that i questioned when reading the Bible. However, the good book has been re-written and translated many times over, so whos to say what was lost or added

ThePittman
Originally posted by Boris
Even God knows he doesn't exist. laughing

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