Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

hmm

(IMO)


Jamie vs Jaspers = Anyone can take it.

Fury vs First Fallen or Phoenix = Fury takes it.

Eternity vs First Fallen or Phoenix = Eternity wins.



btw. Is this ALL of Eternity or just one of his Aspects?

Originally posted by Mr Master
(IMO)


Jamie vs Jaspers = Anyone can take it.

Fury vs First Fallen or Phoenix = Fury takes it.

Eternity vs First Fallen or Phoenix = Eternity wins.



btw. Is this ALL of Eternity or just one of his Aspects?

I always appreciate your input All of Eternity

Originally posted by guy222
hmm

Good thread I like the first team

Originally posted by Mr Master
(IMO)


Jamie vs Jaspers = Anyone can take it.
How do you figure this?
Jamie is tough, but I've seen his sister, and his brother drop him before.
Britain can kick the shit out of him (mind you, the instance I'm talking about in this sentence, had Britain getting one-shotted).

Originally posted by guy222
All of Eternity

That would be the Prime/616 Multiverse then.

(IMO)

Team Two wins the majority.

Jamie is still a problem though,

so Team Two takes 6-7/10.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
How do you figure this?
Jamie is tough, but I've seen his sister, and his brother drop him before.
Britain can kick the shit out of him (mind you, the instance I'm talking about in this sentence, had Britain getting one-shotted).

Jamie has become a God since then.

Jamie may be responsible for either Jaspers resurrection or Jaspers' merger to Fury.

Wanda's Chaos Wave did one of the two for sure.


I'll be posting these scans with Jamie battling an uber entity,

where they were tossing UniverseS at each other.


I've already posted Jamie Warping a Nexus of Realities,

namely the White Hot Room like child's play.




*Edit*

Here you go:


This is the WHR!

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3728/wyz2.th.jpg

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/7650/m2jo5.th.jpg


Jamie teleported Rachel and Betsy to the Room,

then after a short while he begins to Morph the White Hot Room

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/2512/j1ma3.th.jpg



He appears flying by an image of Captain Britain

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/3619/j2hw6.th.jpg



Jamie Braddock with total control of the WHR

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4193/j3cw1.th.jpg

Jamie Warps it into a Crystal like object.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Jamie has become a God since then.

Jamie may be responsible for either Jaspers resurrection or Jaspers' merger to Fury.

Wanda's Chaos Wave did one of the two for sure.


I'll be posting these scans with Jamie battling an uber entity,

where they were tossing UniverseS at each other.


I've already posted Jamie Warping a Nexus of Realities,

namely the White Hot Room like child's play.




*Edit*

Here you go:


This is the WHR!

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3728/wyz2.th.jpg

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/7650/m2jo5.th.jpg


Jamie teleported Rachel and Betsy to the Room,

then after a short while he begins to Morph the White Hot Room

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/2512/j1ma3.th.jpg



He appears flying by an image of Captain Britain

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/3619/j2hw6.th.jpg



Jamie Braddock with total control of the WHR

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4193/j3cw1.th.jpg

Jamie Warps it into a Crystal like object. I know he has done this, but if he got a power-up, then sure...
Mind you, when exactly did he get a power-up?

He has total control over the threads, I know, but even then, he still got beat by Britain...
I guess it all depends on his opponents (quite a weird thing actually).

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
How do you figure this?
Jamie is tough, but I've seen his sister, and his brother drop him before.
Britain can kick the shit out of him (mind you, the instance I'm talking about in this sentence, had Britain getting one-shotted).

Who wins

Originally posted by Mr Master
That would be the Prime/616 Multiverse then.

(IMO)

Team Two wins the majority.

Jamie is still a problem though,

so Team Two takes 6-7/10.

Thanks, Mr. M Is First Fallen more powerful than the Phoenix Force

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Good thread I like the first team

Welcome back How was your trip

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
I know he has done this, but if he got a power-up, then sure...
Mind you, when exactly did he get a power-up?

His power has been growing exponentially like Jaspers' would have.

Wait till you see the off the charts feats I'll be posting.


Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
He has total control over the threads, I know, but even then, he still got beat by Britain...
I guess it all depends on his opponents (quite a weird thing actually).

First of all Jamie has been toying with C. Britain since way back.

What issue are you referring to?

Cause I think I know what you're talking about but I don't think you have the story complete.


With out Excalibre Britain doesn't stand a chance against Jamie now and for some time.

Originally posted by guy222
Is First Fallen more powerful than the Phoenix Force

First Fallen is an obscure character

and doesn't really have reliable Feats to gauge him properly.

Originally posted by Mr Master
First Fallen is an obscure character

and doesn't really have reliable Feats to gauge him properly.

Mr. M, would u say Phoenix Force and First Fallen are equals

Originally posted by Mr Master
His power has been growing exponentially like Jaspers' would have.

Wait till you see the off the charts feats I'll be posting.




First of all Jamie has been toying with C. Britain since way back.

What issue are you referring to?

Cause I think I know what you're talking about but I don't think you have the story complete.


With out Excalibre Britain doesn't stand a chance against Jamie now and for some time. I'll wait, but until then...

Excalibur annual #2.
Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Excalibur Annual 2.
Fights his brother (Jamie) on the psychic plane.
http://images6.theimagehosting.com/albums/22776/Excalibur Annual 2-15.th.jpg

Gets hit and keeps fighting (before he had gotten KOed with one hit...).
http://images6.theimagehosting.com/albums/22776/Excalibur Annual 2-16.th.jpg

Beats on him some more.
http://images6.theimagehosting.com/albums/22776/Excalibur Annual 2-17.th.jpg

Back to the real world. Psylocke is trying to hold him, he breaks out.
http://images6.theimagehosting.com/albums/22776/Excalibur Annual 2-19.th.jpg

Continue...
Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Continued.

The first time they meet eyes in many years... Jamie gets KOed.
http://images6.theimagehosting.com/albums/22776/Excalibur Annual 2-20.th.jpg

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
I'll wait, but until then...

Excalibur annual #2.

That's from 1994 dude.


Jamie Warped the White Hot Room in 2005',

and was tossing Universes in 2001'


Like I said,

his Power has grown substantially since then.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's from 1994 dude.


Jamie Warped the White Hot Room in 2005',

and was tossing Universes in 2001'


Like I said,

his Power has grown substantially since then. Until I see a power-up on-panel...

Even then, I still want to see this throwing universes... or what book is it?

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Until I see a power-up on-panel...

Like Warping the White Hot Room?


The WHR is a Dimension outside of Space and Time connected to every Universe in the Multiverse.


Jamie restructured that like nothing.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Even then, I still want to see this throwing universes... or what book is it?

I'll present the juices first myself.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Like Warping the White Hot Room?


The WHR is a Dimension outside of Space and Time connected to every Universe in the Multiverse.


Jamie restructured that like nothing. Jamie has complete control over the quantum strings (some sort of strings anyway), which makes up everything.
I fail to see this as a power-up.



Originally posted by Mr Master
I'll present the juices first myself. OK.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Jamie has complete control over the quantum strings (some sort of strings anyway), which makes up everything.
I fail to see this as a power-up.



OK.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/guy222_photos/Uncanny_X-Men_02_474.jpg
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/guy222_photos/Uncanny_X-Men_03_474.jpg

Which uncanny x-men is that?

Originally posted by llagrok
Which uncanny x-men is that?

X Men #474

Originally posted by Mr Master
(IMO)


Jamie vs Jaspers = Anyone can take it.

Based on feats alone and the opinion of reputable sources Jaspers would take it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Fury vs First Fallen or Phoenix = Fury takes it.

Just because Fury defeated Jaspers and its your opinion that Jaspers can defeat the Force, doesnt mean that Fury could therefore defeat the Phoenix Force. Thats elementary level logic. Classic Emma Frost could take out Colossus, Colossus could take out a Sentinel, does that therefore mean that Classic Emma Frost could take out a Sentinel?

Jaspers under-estimated the Fury and was toying with him. Despite all his power he was limited by his human imagination and human experience. Instead of attacking Fury with his reality warping abilities thereby ensuring a victory, Jaspers merely used his abilities on himself to shapeshift into various animalistic forms and crudely fought the Fury hand to hand. Fury of course could withstand this sort of physical assault and it gave it a chance to formulate a strategy to take Jaspers out, which he did by teleporting Jaspers outside of reality where he was powerless.

Given that we know the scope of Jaspers abilities and we have witnessed this power, we know he never fought to his full potential against the Fury, therefore Fury defeating Jaspers, does NOT mean that Fury could therefore defeat any and everything YOU think Jaspers could defeat.

The Phoenix Force could easily disperse Fury at a sub atomic level or drain him of energy and the Fury could never kill the Phoenix Force. Its immortal, indestructible, mutable energy by canon. Shatter it, disperse it, absorb it for your own uses and re-channel it and it will still be alive and kicking.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/27310301396.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/27310301379.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/35917153046.jpg

Theres nothing Fury could do to it. Hes not fighting an avatar who he could temporarily dispose of by destroying the physicality, hes fighting the life force of reality.




Originally posted by Mr Master
Eternity vs First Fallen or Phoenix = Eternity wins.

616 Eternity is just a universe (or a pseudo multiverse in some publications). One of the Forces avatars amputated his divergent future (Here Comes Tomorrow) and held that future reality in her hand like it was nothing, fatally wounding him. If it wasnt for Jeans further aid in the Crystal, if she didnt grow a future to close that wound then he would have died.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/9/25811295795.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/9/25812370174.jpg

The Force isnt plagued by the same problems its avatar Jean is, i.e disorientation upon hatching from a Phoenix Egg, or disorientation from being temporaily disconnected from the Forces Consciousness because this IS the Force unrestricted by physicality. The Force could amputate any part of Eternitys timeline, his future as we saw or if it chose his past, both resulting in his non existence and the Force would do it in alot less time than a physical avatar. So posting scans of Jean getting her head together before actually amputating the future reality wont cut it here.

From appearances on panel Eternity would take down the First Fallen, who despite having an opposing goal to the Force, hasnt displayed anywhere near its power.



Originally posted by Mr Master
btw. Is this ALL of Eternity or just one of his Aspects?

He said Eternity. He never said Multi-Eternity (whom we have no showings for anyway) and neither did he say an alternate Eternity or anything at all to lead us to believe he was talking about anything other than the Eternity we all know i.e The black humanoid abstract of 616

Just to summarize, Fury didnt fight and defeat a Jaspers fighting at full potential, therefore even if its your opinion that Jaspers can take out any of the listed opponents, you cannot therefore claim Fury could defeat any and anyone you believe Jaspers can.

The Force is the life force of reality, just being sentient within reality drains reality's collective life energy reserve. Its avatars have manipulated Eternity in the palm of their hands at an atomic level, first after the telekinetic amputation, (after which Jean held the future state of Eternity, a divergent possible future reality 15104 in her hand where it was later disposed of) and secondly when Jean materialised the rest of the timeline in her palm telekinetically to heal the wound she had inflicted on it by altering the past (i.e Cyclops reaction to Emma) thereby growing a new future to replace the one she had just cut away.

The Force would be easily capable of that and so much more. Eternity would get dealt with.

Jaspers couldnt destroy the Force. The Force could teleport him out reality into the void, or it could telekinetically rip reality away from around him(certainly feasible if one of its avatars can wield telekinetic control of a reality down to its atoms) either option resulting in a powerless Jaspers.

Or the Force could be cheap and take Jaspers out of the equation before he could blink an eye. Jaspers needs to apply his power to himself to make his physicality anything more than human, he needs to either do that directly or he needs to create a reality warp an area of reality where he determines the laws. Either way with his very human reactons the Force could snipe him before he even registers whats hhappening to him.

Team one for the win. Phoenix is greater than either Eternity or Jaspers(dont go off on a tangent about his supposed omniversal potential which is irrelevant when it was never ever realised on panel) and with Jamie Braddock and the First Fallen for backup its a dead cert.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Based on feats alone and the opinion of reputable sources Jaspers would take it.

"Based on feats alone?"

Jamie takes it.


Jaspers Remade the 616 Universe and became One with it. (His Top Feat)


I got LOTS more (Respect thread coming soon)

But here's a taste of the God Jamie Braddock:


Here 616 Jamie has created an entire Universe from scratch,

he even made a counter-part of Himself in this Alternate Universe he Created,

Kitty Pride notices and explains:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7540/91717725sy0.th.jpg




Here Jamie is absorbing Rogue's, Phoenix 2's and Meggan's powers all at once,

again 616 Jamie who's IN the 616 Reality is manipulating everything,

in this separate Whole Universe He Created:

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/383/j1ht7.th.jpg




Here Jamie Erases all the STARS in this Universe with a thought,

in order to take away Havok's power's at the time which relied on Stellar Energy:

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/9025/j2cp4.th.jpg




Here back on 616 Kitty realizes how to defeat Jamie,

she talks to him like she's his mother and makes him go to bed.

immediately the Alternate Universe fades away including the Alternate Jamie:

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/9669/j3gx4.th.jpg
(Excalibur escape)





"reputable sources?"

That's funny,

in the Jaspers vs Phoenix thread Merlyn's statement was dismissed by you,

now since I said Jamie vs Jaspers anyone takes it, you Must disagree of course, and so you bring up Merlyn as a reputable source because he said Jaspers was an Omniversal threat.

Selective aren't we old friend.



Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Just because Fury defeated Jaspers and its your opinion that Jaspers can defeat the Force, doesnt mean that Fury could therefore defeat the Phoenix Force.

True,

but it is what I think anyway.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats Elementary Level logic.

Classic Emma Frost could take out Colossus, Colossus could take out a Sentinel, does that therefore mean that Classic Emma Frost could take out a Sentinel?

That's pre-school level logic.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jaspers under-estimated the Fury and was toying with him. Despite all his power he was limited by his human imagination and human experience.

Untrue.

Jaspers was trying his best to kill Fury, but Fury simply would Not die.


"limited by his human imagination and human experience?"

WTF?

He Remade the entire freaking 616 Universe.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Instead of attacking Fury with his reality warping abilities thereby ensuring a victory, Jaspers merely used his abilities on himself to shapeshift into various animalistic forms and crudely fought the Fury hand to hand. Fury of course could withstand this sort of physical assault and it gave it a chance to formulate a strategy to take Jaspers out, which he did by teleporting Jaspers outside of reality where he was powerless.

Sorry dude, you got your story mixed up big time.

The Fury was IMMUNE to Jaspers' Warp:

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/3931/f1ts5.th.jpg
(excerpt from the Official Handbook 2006) Fury bio


http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8502/f2qd0.th.jpg
(excerpt from the Official Handbook 2006) Jaspers bio




On Panel verification:

"A MONTH AGO, the transformation would have KILLED IT"
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5967/j1np5.th.jpg

BUT, after "absorbing a Computer the size of a Cave, it LEARNS, ADAPTS"



http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/9495/j3uz5.th.jpg
"The Asylum-GOD tries to Kill the THING that CANNOT DIE"



Jaspers was Warping the Fury as much as he could,

and Fury would just Shape shift out of his Warps,

just like the Official Marvel Bio states.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Given that we know the scope of Jaspers abilities and we have witnessed this power, we know he never fought to his full potential against the Fury, therefore Fury defeating Jaspers, does NOT mean that Fury could therefore defeat any and everything YOU think Jaspers could defeat.

Actually according to On Panel events and Fury's Official Bio,

The Fury was immune to Jaspers' Warp.


If you can't accept that,

write Marvel a letter.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Phoenix Force could easily disperse Fury at a sub atomic level or drain him of energy and the Fury could never kill the Phoenix Force. Its immortal, indestructible, mutable energy by canon. Shatter it, disperse it, absorb it for your own uses and re-channel it and it will still be alive and kicking.

Theres nothing Fury could do to it. Hes not fighting an avatar who he could temporarily dispose of by destroying the physicality, hes fighting the life force of reality.

Speculation.

Don't dismiss my opinion if you're gonna come back with another.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
616 Eternity is just a universe (or a pseudo multiverse in some publications).

616 Eternity has NEVER and will NEVER be a Multiverse.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
One of the Forces avatars amputated his divergent future (Here Comes Tomorrow) and held that future reality in her hand like it was nothing, fatally wounding him. If it wasnt for Jeans further aid in the Crystal, if she didnt grow a future to close that wound then he would have died.

Amputated the Future of an Alternate Reality, NOT of 616 Eternity:


By the time Jean Amputates the Future Deep in the Arc in issue #154,

the Story has been taking place in Reality 15104 since issue #150.

the Future of,

Earth-15104

"In ONE Future, Phoenix severed the Alternate Future of Reality - 15104
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5749/n2uo1.th.jpg
(excerpt from the OHOTMU 2006 - Mkraan Crystal bio)

"In ONE Future" (there are many Possible Futures)



Phoenix amputated the Alternate Future OF Reality 15104 ...

NOT of Reality 616 which then became 15104.


You don't like it,

write Marvel a letter.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Force isnt plagued by the same problems its avatar Jean is, i.e disorientation upon hatching from a Phoenix Egg, or disorientation from being temporaily disconnected from the Forces Consciousness because this IS the Force unrestricted by physicality. The Force could amputate any part of Eternitys timeline, his future as we saw or if it chose his past, both resulting in his non existence and the Force would do it in alot less time than a physical avatar. So posting scans of Jean getting her head together before actually amputating the future reality wont cut it here.

You keep bringing up the Phoenix Force being Avatar-less.




Bio and On Panel accounts depicting the Phoenix Force (Avatar-less)

getting OWNED




1.

Bio

"The FORCE was Transported to the Ultraverse by a Sentient Alien Starship"
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/6177/p1uc0.th.jpg



On Panel verification


While the PHOENIX FORCE is in it's NATURAL STATE

The SHIP, rips a HOLE in Space & Time in front of the PHOENIX FORCE in it's own Universe
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6522/p1rc5.th.jpg

"Out of one marvelous Universe and into another"

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6805/p2ek6.th.jpg




continues in the next post ...

2.

Bio


"it intended to use the FORCE'S Energy to power the recombination ... IMPALED on a Lance of Energy ... WOUNDED the Force sought out a host to Protect it as it HEALED"
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/8973/p2us8.th.jpg



On Panel verification


"Impaled, Spitted, the PHOENIX writhes as it's LIFE is SUCKED OUT"
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/57/p3xa6.th.jpg
"It has never known PAIN of this magnitude, it SCREAMS"



"It's willfully TORTURING the PHOENIX" ..... am I imagining things, or is it's FIRE GOING OUT,

the COLORS are FADING, like it's DYING"
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/2048/p4ah2.th.jpg
"TRULY, the PHOENIX is BATTLING for IT'S LIFE against the sear of Light that is STRIPPING it's POWER AWAY"


http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/2513/p5mr2.th.jpg
"WOUNDED the PHOENIX FALLS, to SURVIVE, to MEND, to HEAL, it MUST find a Host"




continues in the next post ....

3.

Bio

"the FORCE attacked the ship, threatening the stability of the planet ... the Heroes were ABLE to DRIVE the FORCE into another Portal ... and it Emerged Four Billion Years in the Past"
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/8164/p3jr9.th.jpg



On Panel verification

A Few members of the X-Men and Ultra Force (SIX in ALL) are sent to battle the ACTUAL PHOENIX FORCE

(WITHOUT an AVATAR)
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/3901/6rh9.th.jpg



"The assembled Heroes are TIRED & BATTERED, the PHOENIX is REBORN and FRESH"
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/9686/f12xp8.th.jpg
AND they're STILL holding their own



The Six heroes BEAT (PHYSICALLY) the PHOENIX FORCE into and through the Portal
http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/2667/f14nz2.th.jpg



The PHOENIX FORCE ends up DISPLACED by FOUR Billion Years
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/5469/f15eg2.th.jpg

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He said Eternity. He never said Multi-Eternity (whom we have no showings for anyway) and neither did he say an alternate Eternity or anything at all to lead us to believe he was talking about anything other than the Eternity we all know i.e The black humanoid abstract of 616

Multi-Eternity is the Totality of Eternity.

They are one in the same.

Everything Eternity 616 experiences is as though Multi-Eternity experienced it.

Everything ANY Universe/Eternity experiences is as though Multi did as well.

Eternity is ONE Sentience spread through out the Multiverse as Universal Aspects.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Just to summarize, Fury didnt fight and defeat a Jaspers fighting at full potential, therefore even if its your opinion that Jaspers can take out any of the listed opponents, you cannot therefore claim Fury could defeat any and anyone you believe Jaspers can.

Sorry friend,

you were proven wrong on this one.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Force is the life force of reality,

"The Force is the life force of reality?"



The Life-Force of Reality is the Universe itself (Eternity & Infinity)

"This Crystal embodies the LifeForce of your Home Dimension"
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1056/r8fu4.th.jpg
"By breaking it, that Entire Portion of the Omniverse Ceases to Exist"



Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its avatars have manipulated Eternity in the palm of their hands at an atomic level,

I never seen Jean nor any other Avatar hold Eternity at any time.

The baby Reality where only X-Men exist named 15104 seemed to manifest ONLY in Jeans hands.


"It's avatarS?"

I think Not.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
first after the telekinetic amputation, (after which Jean held the future state of Eternity, a divergent possible future reality 15104 in her hand where it was later disposed of)

She held the Future state of Reality 15104:


"In ONE Future, Phoenix severed the Alternate Future of Reality - 15104
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5749/n2uo1.th.jpg
(excerpt from the OHOTMU 2006 - Mkraan Crystal bio)


There's no getting around this.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
and secondly when Jean materialised the rest of the timeline in her palm telekinetically to heal the wound she had inflicted on it by altering the past (i.e Cyclops reaction to Emma) thereby growing a new future to replace the one she had just cut away.

The Alternate Future of Reality 15104 was Repaired nothing more.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Force would be easily capable of that and so much more. Eternity would get dealt with.

The Force could never defeat ALL of Eternity.

I agree the Force can destroy a Divergent Universe/Eternity,

but NOT Eternity 616 or his Totality.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jaspers couldnt destroy the Force.

I believe he can.

The Force can die,

proven in Excalibur #25 when Galactus nearly ERASED it from existence.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Force could teleport him out reality into the void,

How would the Force know to do that?


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
or it could telekinetically rip reality away from around him(certainly feasible if one of its avatars can wield telekinetic control of a reality down to its atoms) either option resulting in a powerless Jaspers.

When has Jean or let alone Any Avatar turned Reality into a Void?

And you keep bringing up Fury's tactics as if the Force is as savvy.

One of the Fury's primary powers is to ADAPT, that's why he figured out how to defeat Jaspers.


Stop making it seemed as if the Force has ever been seen in battle replicating Fury's abilities.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Or the Force could be cheap and take Jaspers out of the equation before he could blink an eye. Jaspers needs to apply his power to himself to make his physicality anything more than human, he needs to either do that directly or he needs to create a reality warp an area of reality where he determines the laws. Either way with his very human reactons the Force could snipe him before he even registers whats hhappening to him.

This is untrue..


Jaspers went toe to toe with the Fury aside from Warping it,

the Fury's speed is remarkably fast duke, FAR faster than Human.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Team one for the win.

Team Two for the Win.

Only Jamie helps give the team a few wins.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix is greater than either Eternity or Jaspers




Originally posted by GalacticStorm
(dont go off on a tangent about his supposed omniversal potential which is irrelevant when it was never ever realised on panel)

Actually his potential was realized in an Alternate Future Cobweb peered into.

http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/2961/m10cr3.th.jpg

"But if this Game is Lost,

I see a Universe eaten alive by Chaos,

and ANOTHER Universe, and ANOTHER,

like Dominos, Tumbling ...

I see the Future"

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4643/m11lz1.th.jpg

"And it is Cancelled"


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
and with Jamie Braddock and the First Fallen for backup its a dead cert.

Jamie Braddock is the key to getting some wins.

I agree.

But Team Two Wins.

8 This reposting of this Phoenix in Ultraverse nonsense does nothing as I have already highlighted how the Firebird is just an avatar for the ambient life force of reality and not the totality of the Phoenix Force. I have also highlighted how this avatar was severely depowered by not being in the reality where it draws its power from. This thread is about the full Phoenix Force, your Ultraverse scans are not representative of that and are therefore useless.

10 The Force cannot die. Its canon and stated both on panel and in the latest bio. We debated about that Excalibur issue and after many, many months you have yet to get back to me on the issue. If I recall you were contradicted in many a bio even the ones you presented to use against me.

The rest of your posts on the previous page have been addressed.


But I particularly enjoyed how you attempted to twist what Jamie did.


ol' GS ...





Here 616 Jamie has created an entire Universe from scratch,

he even made a counter-part of Himself in this Alternate Universe he Created,

Kitty Pride notices and explains:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7540/91717725sy0.th.jpg




Here Jamie is absorbing Rogue's, Phoenix 2's and Meggan's powers all at once,

again 616 Jamie who's IN the 616 Reality is manipulating everything,

in this separate Whole Universe He Created:

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/383/j1ht7.th.jpg




Here Jamie turns all the STARS in this Universe into Snow Flakes,

in order to take away Havok's power's at the time which relied on Stellar Energy:

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/9025/j2cp4.th.jpg




Here back on 616 Kitty realizes how to defeat Jamie,

she talks to him like she's his mother and makes him go to bed.

immediately the Alternate Universe fades away including the Alternate Jamie:

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/9669/j3gx4.th.jpg
(Excalibur escape)





You don't like it,

write Marvel a letter.

"He is lonely, but he is also GOD
http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/8739/j10ig8.th.jpg



"He MAKES Friends easily"
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7577/j11qk3.th.jpg




Mad Jim Jaspers Recreates the 616 Universe

http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/7223/m18gy5.th.jpg





"I made everything actually,

I made the sky,

I made the Tiger the Lamb"

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/1554/jsd5.th.jpg

"I made the Stars"






"BOTH Jaspers could effortlessly Warp Reality on a Dimension-Wide Scale"

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/8128/j2ql0.th.jpg
(exceprt form the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006)




You don't like it,

tell it to Marvel.

Your Excalibur related repost was unnecessary as it was handled on the previous page. It has yet to be countered please do so as opposed to just relaying your opinion once again:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/449146_2-phoenix-force-first-fallen-james-braddock-vs-mad-jj-fury-eternity

Jim Japsers Remade the 616 Universe, end of story.

http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/7223/m18gy5.th.jpg



"I made everything actually, I made the sky, I made the Tiger the Lamb"
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/1554/jsd5.th.jpg
"I made the Stars"



Here's the Proof


In Captain Britain's series that came AFTER Jaspers was killed by the Fury,

it's clarified for those that tried to demean Jaspers' Feat.




"Although Captain UK and I defeated the Fury & contained the Jaspers' Warp,

the Continuum was sufficiently damaged"
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9643/linda3zb4.th.jpg





Another instance,

BIO:


"Roma informed Linda her anomalous presence on 616,

was preventing the Damaged Reality (Universe) from fully Healing"
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7398/lindach8.th.jpg
(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006 Captain UK Bio)





On Panel verification


"Your presence is an anomaly,

that has prevented this Continuum (616 Universe) from Healing"
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/920/linda4px8.th.jpg




How the heck is Warping one country fkn up a Universe? dontgetit






I did find more evidence to further prove, Jaspers was the 616 Universe.


http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/madjimj2.htm

GO down to 'The Mighty World of Marvel #9'

(on the right hand side of the poker dot Jaspers with a Cane)


"Captain Britain entered Jaspers' Office to find Jaspers,

a Giant at ONE with the Universe"

http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/7223/m18gy5.th.jpg





This, coupled with the rest of my evidence,

seals the coffin.





Remember, this site is officially approved by Marvel.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7764/allnewohotmuaz0102jp2.th.jpg
On the first page of every OHOTMU 2006

Didn't Dark Phoenix make Mastermind one with the universe, hell my yoga instructer says he's one with the universe, but he's still broke.

Originally posted by LordKaos
Didn't Dark Phoenix make Mastermind one with the universe, hell my yoga instructer says he's one with the universe, but he's still broke.

Negative.


Phoenix spread Masterminds Consciousness across the Universe.


Jaspers became the actual Universe.



"I made everything actually, I made the sky, I made the Tiger the Lamb"
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/1554/jsd5.th.jpg

"I made the Stars"


swank

Originally posted by Mr Master
Negative.


Phoenix spread Masterminds Consciousness across the Universe.


Jaspers became the actual Universe.



"I made everything actually, I made the sky, I made the Tiger the Lamb"
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/1554/jsd5.th.jpg

"I made the Stars"


swank

Mr. M, on team 2, who's the most powerful

The point is she expanded his mind to a point of cosmic awareness to show him what it was like being a god he couldn't handle it. I bring up the yoga instructor because the meditations and the use of OM are to make one experience the divine, making them "one with the universe" it's easy to feel a sense of omnipotence and delusions of grandeur when you are made aware of all the myriad truths and contradictions that make up reality.
Also if he became one with the universe and by extension was able to control it why is he boasting about making things that already exist? Sounds to me like he created a pocket of reality in which to shape matter and energy as he saw fit. In order for him to have made all those things in the real universe he would have had to wipe the universe out and then recreated it for that to make any sense to me.

Originally posted by guy222
Mr. M, on team 2, who's the most powerful

Well the Nullifiers erase Time & Space (Eternity/Infinity)

Jaspers is immune to Nullifiers, like Fury.

Jaspers Warped the 616 Universe and there seemed to be no sign of him stopping there.

In fact, without a doubt the Multiverse and then the Omniverse would have been Waped,

if not for the Fury.




So IMO,


Jaspers>Eternity>Fury in power.

Fury>Jaspers>Eternity in battle.

Originally posted by LordKaos
The point is she expanded his mind to a point of cosmic awareness to show him what it was like being a god he couldn't handle it. I bring up the yoga instructor because the meditations and the use of OM are to make one experience the divine, making them "one with the universe" it's easy to feel a sense of omnipotence and delusions of grandeur when you are made aware of all the myriad truths and contradictions that make up reality.

This is inconsequential.

Having Cosmic Awareness and being the Universe are to separate issues.

616 Jaspers became 616 Eternity basically.


Originally posted by LordKaos
Also if he became one with the universe and by extension was able to control it why is he boasting about making things that already exist?

He's boasting about what he re-created through his Warp.


Originally posted by LordKaos
Sounds to me like he created a pocket of reality in which to shape matter and energy as he saw fit. In order for him to have made all those things in the real universe he would have had to wipe the universe out and then recreated it for that to make any sense to me.

I disagree.

I already posted several sources from diffent issues,

including Two different Bios,

clearly stating the ENITRE 616 Universe was messed with.


Originally posted by LordKaos
In order for him to have made all those things in the real universe he would have had to wipe the universe out and then recreated it for that to make any sense to me.

Actually by him restructuring the Universe he's Creating Reality anew.

So "I Created the Stars" applies.

In most cases when people say they are one with the universe it takes cosmic awareness for them to draw that conclusion.
So where was eternity when all this happened, and now that Jaspers is not the universe anymore, who is? since he must have destroyed the first Eternity to usurp his position. Or did he just say "here you go eternity, I'm finished being you, you can come back now"?
And doesn't eternity usually go and tattle to LT when someone plays with his toys, why didn't he show up, oh wait he was warped too right?

Survival of the fittest is fair game to the LT, Jaspers is as fit as you can get.

I assume that all the warping Jaspers did was somehow undone after his dead, otherwise the MU would be really funky in the aftermath.

Originally posted by Bentley
Survival of the fittest is fair game to the LT, Jaspers is as fit as you can get.



I assume that all the warping Jaspers did was somehow undone after his dead, otherwise the MU would be really funky in the aftermath.

I get that about LT, but eternity on the other has been known to call on him when something as big as being replaced threatens his position whether it warrants LTs attention or not, like with the IG.

If he is as powerful as he and everybody else says then his death shouldn't have changed anything, it should be one of those it can't be undone unless something with equal or greater power reverses it deals, like matter manipulations by Sersi, they stick no matter what unless another matter manipulator changes it.

Originally posted by Bentley
Survival of the fittest is fair game to the LT, Jaspers is as fit as you can get.

I assume that all the warping Jaspers did was somehow undone after his dead, otherwise the MU would be really funky in the aftermath.

Originally posted by LordKaos
In most cases when people say they are one with the universe it takes cosmic awareness for them to draw that conclusion.

This is one of those cases when it means he WAS the Universe.

Originally posted by LordKaos
So where was eternity when all this happened,

Warped.


Originally posted by LordKaos
and now that Jaspers is not the universe anymore, who is?

Eternity.


Originally posted by LordKaos
since he must have destroyed the first Eternity to usurp his position.

No you do not need to destroy Eternity in order to usurp his Position.

Just look at Thanos with the IG.


Originally posted by LordKaos
Or did he just say "here you go eternity, I'm finished being you, you can come back now"?

The Universe always heals itself, once the problem is gone.



"Incredible, REALITY literally REGENERATING ITSELF, Pure Creation"
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1351/g2jg6.th.jpg
"the Journey through the Scar is at an end, let's see what lies Beyond Eternity"



http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8757/m8rd4.th.jpg
"the Cosmos is Healing itself before our very eyes"






Heck even in this incident (concerning Jaspers 616) it's clearly mentioned:

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/920/linda4px8.th.jpg

"Your presence is an anomaly,

that has prevented this Continuum (616 Universe) from Healing"

Originally posted by LordKaos
And doesn't eternity usually go and tattle to LT when someone plays with his toys, why didn't he show up,

Like Bentley said,

survival of the fittest.


Originally posted by LordKaos
oh wait he was warped too right?

lmfao

Cut the sarcasm and debate.

Originally posted by LordKaos
I get that about LT, but eternity on the other has been known to call on him when something as big as being replaced threatens his position whether it warrants LTs attention or not, like with the IG.

Merlyn was handling it,

he's the Omniversal Guardian.


Originally posted by LordKaos
If he is as powerful as he and everybody else says then his death shouldn't have changed anything, it should be one of those it can't be undone unless something with equal or greater power reverses it deals,

Jaspers never killed Eternity,

Jaspers simply Recreated the Universe and replaced the Sentience for a while.

Originally posted by Mr Master





Jim Japsers Remade the 616 Universe, end of story.

http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/7223/m18gy5.th.jpg



"I made everything actually, I made the sky, I made the Tiger the Lamb"
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/1554/jsd5.th.jpg
"I made the Stars"



Here's the Proof


In Captain Britain's series that came AFTER Jaspers was killed by the Fury,

it's clarified for those that tried to demean Jaspers' Feat.




"Although Captain UK and I defeated the Fury & contained the Jaspers' Warp,

the Continuum was sufficiently damaged"
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9643/linda3zb4.th.jpg





Another instance,

BIO:


"Roma informed Linda her anomalous presence on 616,

was preventing the Damaged Reality (Universe) from fully Healing"
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7398/lindach8.th.jpg
(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006 Captain UK Bio)





On Panel verification


"Your presence is an anomaly,

that has prevented this Continuum (616 Universe) from Healing"
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/920/linda4px8.th.jpg




How the heck is Warping one country fkn up a Universe? dontgetit

as always masters to the point with the scans and game over

Whatever, I stand by the fact that in order to know you are the universe you need awareness, or else you could become one with a pocket universe or an empty space for that matter and never know the difference.

firefirefireph

Originally posted by Mr Master





Jim Japsers Remade the 616 Universe, end of story.

http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/7223/m18gy5.th.jpg



"I made everything actually, I made the sky, I made the Tiger the Lamb"
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/1554/jsd5.th.jpg
"I made the Stars"

Nope. Jaspers as stated in the handbook and on the marvunapp site warped the UK and presumably the world.

Jaspers saying he made everything is an ambiguous line and he could very well have meant within his reality warp. Either way Jaspers is only ever shown on panel warping the UK so his comments are unverified on panel anyway. On top of that I am supported officially. Officially your opinion is DISPUTED.

Originally posted by guy222
GS, does First Fallen equal Phoenix Force

In role theyre polar opposites, but it has never shown a power level matching the Force's.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In role theyre polar opposites, but it has never shown a power level matching the Force's.

Welcome back

Originally posted by guy222
Welcome back

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/guy222_photos/UncannyX-Men462page20.jpg
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/guy222_photos/UncannyX-Men462page21.jpg
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/guy222_photos/UncannyX-Men462page22.jpg

Originally posted by guy222
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/guy222_photos/UncannyX-Men462page20.jpg
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/guy222_photos/UncannyX-Men462page21.jpg
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/guy222_photos/UncannyX-Men462page22.jpg

Watcher speaks
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/4/11905003853.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/4/11905003870.jpg

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Watcher speaks
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/4/11905003853.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/4/11905003870.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/4/11920541453.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/4/11920541534.jpg

Originally posted by guy222
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/4/11920541453.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/4/11920541534.jpg

Jaime
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/5/12100410259.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/5/12100410290.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/5/12100410267.jpg

Originally posted by guy222
Jaime
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/5/12100410259.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/5/12100410290.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/5/12100410267.jpg

Jaime
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/5/12100410361.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/5/12100410354.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/5/12100410496.jpg

I go seep now

Originally posted by guy222
Jaime
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/5/12100410361.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/5/12100410354.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/5/12100410496.jpg

I go seep now

Wake up


Use Imageshack What issues are they from? U should do a respect thread about Jaime

http://i114.imagethrust.com/t/866128/ultimatexmen093002003.jpg http://i101.imagethrust.com/t/866129/ultimatexmen093004.jpg http://i107.imagethrust.com/t/866130/ultimatexmen093005.jpg http://i110.imagethrust.com/t/866131/ultimatexmen093006.jpg http://i101.imagethrust.com/t/866132/ultimatexmen093007.jpg http://i107.imagethrust.com/t/866133/ultimatexmen093008.jpg

http://i107.imagethrust.com/t/866134/ultimatexmen093009.jpg http://i115.imagethrust.com/t/866135/ultimatexmen093010011.jpg http://i117.imagethrust.com/t/866136/ultimatexmen093012.jpg http://i119.imagethrust.com/t/866137/ultimatexmen093013.jpg http://i107.imagethrust.com/t/866138/ultimatexmen093014.jpg

Guy to young Bruce

Imagethrust>Imageshack>Imagevenue

Good scans

Mad JJ and fury. Team 1 is ****ed

Jaime Braddock maybe more powerful than MJJ

Originally posted by Mr Master
and was tossing Universes in 2001'
I would still like to see this...

Love to see Eternity and the PF battle

I'm going to go with team 2.

I have a question regarding the whole MJJ vs. Braddokc thing. In a direct battle between the 2 they will be battling within the Jaspers warp since Jaspers warps reality automatically no? That being said, could MJJ simply undo anything Braddock warps? Say Braddock warps Jaspers body via the quantum filament, couldn't MJJ just warp himself back immediately?

Jaime pulls on the Quantam strings

It be an interesting battle

More should be known about Jaime, if he returns

Love the new sig Guy! I need an update, i've had this one for ages

Team 1 for the win. Phoenix atomizes reality with the blink of an eye, dealing with Eternity and leaving MJJ with no reality to manipulate.

Thats how Jasper was defeated first time around.

Fury queried what would happen if Jaspers had no reality to manipulate:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/4/11412072837.jpg

He was teleported to the void between realities where he was powerless and his brain was fried.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/4/11412072821.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/4/11412072915.jpg

Jamie and the First Fallen are there as backup.

Team 1 FTW

Thank u buddy. Always good to see ya

Love the black and white scans

http://a.imageshack.us/img828/8899/xmenphoenixforcehandbooz.th.jpghttp://a.imageshack.us/img828/2430/xmenphoenixforcehandbooyi.th.jpghttp://a.imageshack.us/img828/2782/xmenphoenixforcehandboob.th.jpg

http://a.imageshack.us/img828/9042/xmenphoenixforcehandboo.th.jpg

Originally posted by guy222
http://a.imageshack.us/img828/8899/xmenphoenixforcehandbooz.th.jpghttp://a.imageshack.us/img828/2430/xmenphoenixforcehandbooyi.th.jpghttp://a.imageshack.us/img828/2782/xmenphoenixforcehandboob.th.jpg

http://a.imageshack.us/img828/9042/xmenphoenixforcehandboo.th.jpg

The handbook confirms that the Phoenix is a multiversal force, the nexus of all psionic energy in the multiverse. All universal manifestations such as the one we're used to seeing in 616 are therefore part of the whole force contained within the White Hot Room.

good morning

keep dropping knowledge on the force

always a pleasure seeing u

Team 2 for the win ... only Jamie gives team 2 trouble.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

The handbook confirms that the Phoenix is a multiversal force
False.

No where in that bio or any bio or any on panel appearance has the Force ever been stated to be "multiversal" coupled with the fact that force has never displayed any multiversal power of any kind.

And please don't bring up the stipulated tower feat,
cause as you well know but will never admit that was only possible via the Interface Alignment which allows simultaneous access to the realities of the multiverse.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm

the nexus of all psionic energy in the multiverse.
... Would love to see where the hell you got that from.

But anyway, the Force derives from the psyche of living beings,
it is those living beings that actually sustain the Force's existence,
NOT the other way around.

Anyone is free to read the freakin bio for themselves.
(the Phoenix Force bio of the 2005 Handbooks is even clearer concerning this fact.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm

All universal manifestations such as the one we're used to seeing in 616 are therefore part of the whole force contained within the White Hot Room.
And yet the bio above you're trying to twist to fit your unsupported view
clearly states that the Force is a manifestation of universal life force.

Nice try. Ol' GS, jeesh .. I mean ... still?