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And the characters drafted for the second round are...

Forge

Venom

The Spot

Originally posted by darthgoober
Forge

shock

Now that was a brilliant move.

Sabertooth

Spot? Oh boy........nosweat

whoever drafted spot -- well done.

These are some awsome choices. I can't wait to see how this tourney works out.

You guys don't know who drafted who until the tourney starts or something? Cool idea if so.

Yeah, I haven't been paying attention. wooerm

Originally posted by Validus
You guys don't know who drafted who until the tourney starts or something? Cool idea if so.

Yeah, I haven't been paying attention. wooerm

Loser

Moonstone (classic)

Originally posted by darthgoober
Sabertooth

Originally posted by Devil Lance

I'm guessing Stacks.

Holyshit! The drafts!

Originally posted by King Kandy
I'm guessing Stacks.

I'm Guessing Trickster

Originally posted by Devil Lance
An adamantium skeleton w/claws, super fast, a healing factor > wolverine's.... he brings a lot to the table, if you cover the other bases. This is an amalgam fight. It's a smart choice, if your other two mesh well.

Meggan.

Creed is what, a class 20 nowadays? hmm

Obsidian

Obsidian may be over the cap. Can we get a 2nd opinion?

Kick Meggan out. She fixed Wanda's chaos wave. Over the caps for sure.

To what extent in power is Meggan's elemental and mystical powers? She has done some impressive things.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Creed is what, a class 20 nowadays? hmm Something like that.

Wiki says she fought Galactus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meggan

She did Meggan is over. I thought of her, but realized that no she's to powerful

And Obsidian I think is over. When he started fighting his dad was he powered up? Because it was a decent fight, he had basically kicked the crap out of everyone.

I'd prefer some on panel scans...but yeah, she seems already over the caps anyway :/

Its in her respect thread. She grew to his size

lol, who drafted her?

SHE STOPPED THE FREAKING CHAOS WAVE! jawdrop That feat alone puts her over the cap.

Edit: I would have said Joey Stacks, but I don't think he'd know her.

Originally posted by Ethereal
lol, who drafted her?

If that was you Entity, nice try, but when someone has insane feats to their name and gets a top spot in Mr. M's cosmic thread over several abstracts, they tend to get kicked.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
If that was you Entity, nice try, but when someone has insane feats to their name and gets a top spot in Mr. M's cosmic thread over several abstracts, they tend to get kicked. sly

Originally posted by Entity
sly

Originally posted by Ethereal
To what extent in power is Meggan's elemental and mystical powers? She has done some impressive things.

all of which she has done while considerably amped

shes been Betaen by Captain Britain before

http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=Excalibur 18p19.jpg
http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=Excalibur 18p20.jpg
http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=Excalibur 18p21.jpg

shes been one shotted by Captain Brittain

http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=Excalibur_030-12.jpg&album=22695

and the whole stopping the chaos wave thing is pis since Meggan can't even use he rpowes correctly when shes not on earth and she has never been shown to be tha powerfull at all.

heck she could only turn into a silver surfer like being when she had amped her herself up a ton by aborbing a ton of magic in a magical dimension

she even says so herself
http://img344.imageshack.us/my.php?image=powercosmicae5.jpg
in a magical dimension where she absorbs tons and tons of magical enrgies her peak power level is still only herald level.
non amped bas level megagan= high- middle mid tier

she can be betaen by the likes of Ironman and cpatain brittain

Originally posted by Devil Lance
all of which she has done while considerably amped

shes been Betaen by Captain Britain before

http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=Excalibur 18p19.jpg
http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=Excalibur 18p20.jpg
http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=Excalibur 18p21.jpg

shes been one shotted by Captain Brittain

http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=Excalibur_030-12.jpg&album=22695

and the whole stopping the chaos wave thing is pis since Meggan can't even use he rpowes correctly when shes not on earth and she has never been shown to be tha powerfull at all.

heck she could only turn into a silver surfer like being when she had amped her herself up a ton by aborbing a ton of magic in a magical dimension

she even says so herself
http://img344.imageshack.us/my.php?image=powercosmicae5.jpg
in a magical dimension where she absorbs tons and tons of magical enrgies her peak power level is still only herald level.
non amped bas level megagan= high- middle mid tier

she can be betaen by the likes of Ironman and cpatain brittain

SEE!!!

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wiki says she fought Galactus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meggan


no she didn't
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=galactussizepu2.jpg

the only wya she was able to do this was by amping herself up to the point where her power source was almost depleted

Originally posted by Devil Lance

no she didn't
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=galactussizepu2.jpg

the only wya she was able to do this was by amping herself up to the point where her power source was almost depleted

She was destroying the planet accidentally.

How can that not put her over IM?

Well I guess we know who picked Meggan now.

Originally posted by batdude123
Well I guess we know who picked Meggan now.

Yes. Its not like she has a respect thread to find scans in or anything.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
She was destroying the planet accidentally.

How can that not put her over IM?



this is meggan aat extremly amped up levels she had almost depleted her entire powersource.

and the only ba dthings she was doing to the earth was making it rain really earth.

like I said base level Meggan = Ironman level

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yes. Its not like she has a respect thread to find scans in or anything.

And it's not like DL is the only one trying to justify her entrance into this tourney.

Meggan also avoided the control of Jamie Braddock.
There's another feat not mentioned, but I can't remember it... that would have her in a herald level tourney, or so...

Plus she can amp herself by using the planets life force.

Originally posted by batdude123
Well I guess we know who picked Meggan now.

wow was that really necessary

Originally posted by batdude123
And it's not like I am the only one trying to justify her entrance into this tourney.

Freudian slip?

Originally posted by Devil Lance
wow was that really necessary

Does it really matter? People are gonna know soon enough anyways with her being under so much fire.

I should put some of her feats in the respect thread... after she's cleared for access...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Freudian slip?

Why would you change my post when I'm not even in this tourney to begin with?

Obsidian?! The guy that wrecked the JSA single-handedly until Alan went ape-sh*t with a planet-sized blast?

Yeah, my vote is "nay" on him unless I'm convinced otherwise.

Originally posted by batdude123
Why would you change my post when I'm not even in this tourney to begin with?

Cause I'm an @ss?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Obsidian?! The guy that wrecked the JSA single-handedly until Alan went ape-sh*t with a planet-sized blast?

Yeah, my vote is "nay" on him unless I'm convinced otherwise. Stacks...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Cause I'm an @ss?

Perhaps... perhaps. hmm

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Meggan also avoided the control of Jamie Braddock.
There's another feat not mentioned, but I can't remember it... that would have her in a herald level tourney, or so...

Plus she can amp herself by using the planets life force.

you mean this ?
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detachedfromstringswg0.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detachedfromstrings2sk9.jpg
shes said it herself even when she was in a magical dimesion where shoe couldabsorb as much enrgy as she wanted

that her peak power level that she can get to by amping herself is herald level

Ms Marvel can amp herself to herald level does that mean she should be banned aswell

DG never set a ban on poweramping if I do recall

Originally posted by Devil Lance

Ms Marvel can amp herself to herald level does that mean she should be banned aswell

DG never set a ban on poweramping if I do recall

BlackAlice rough equivalent power of a normal human. She can amp herself to Spectre level by using her additional powers.

I'm pretty sure she was banned

Originally posted by Devil Lance
you mean this ?
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detachedfromstringswg0.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detachedfromstrings2sk9.jpg
shes said it herself even when she was in a magical dimesion where shoe couldabsorb as much enrgy as she wanted

that her peak power level that she can get to by amping herself is herald level

Ms Marvel can amp herself to herald level does that mean she should be banned aswell

DG never set a ban on poweramping if I do recall No she didn't...
Also... a smart person would draft Jamie after seeing this, since Meggan's allowed...

I don't care anymore if she's allowed, but you seem to be trying an awfully lot to get her in... for someone else I presume...

Ms. Marvel is fine unless it's Binary, which it isn't. So that's a rather weak objection imo. With a "No Binary" clause (which should be obvious anyway) she's perfectly acceptable.

And my objection to Obsidian stands until otherwise convinced.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
BlackAlice rough equivalent power of a normal human. She can amp herself to Spectre level by using her additional powers.

I'm pretty sure she was banned



Black Alice steal people powers

stealing peoples power does not equal= amp your own

Originally posted by Devil Lance


Black Alice steal people powers

stealing peoples power does not equal= amp your own

Fine.

Hulk is a better example. His base is below Abom (who is allowed) however due to his amping powers GD says he's banned.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
No she didn't...
Also... a smart person would draft Jamie after seeing this, since Meggan's allowed...

I don't care anymore if she's allowed, but you seem to be trying an awfully lot to get her in... for someone else I presume...


yes she did.....

the only reason shes was able to hurt jamie is because she is immune to his reality warping abilities

and last time i checked Jamie doesn't have any durability powers
so she should be able to hurt him

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Fine.

Hulk is a better example. His base is below Abom (who is allowed) however due to his amping powers GD says he's banned.


Ironman should beat Hulk

Namor should beat Hulk

Donna Troy should beat Hulk

Starfire should beat hulk

I'd be fine with having hulk in this tourney most mid tiers should beat him

bad example

Originally posted by Devil Lance
yes she did.....

the only reason shes was able to hurt jamie is because she is immune to his reality warping abilities

and last time i checked Jamie doesn't have any durability powers
so she should be able to hurt him I'm not even going to look over the comic, just going to look at what you posted here...
Wait... I don't even know what I'm saying "no she didn't" about...

Jamie is very durible (he once sat and took punishment from Britain for like two pages straight, and then one-shotted him), and has a healing factor that puts Deadpool, Wolverine, and Saberclaw to shame.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
Ironman should beat Hulk

Namor should beat Hulk

Donna Troy should beat Hulk

Starfire should beat hulk

I'd be fine with having hulk in this tourney most mid tiers should beat him

bad example

You're out of your mind. That or you've been dramatically effected by the negative response to Xmeat and his ilk.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You're out of your mind. That or you've been dramatically effected by the negative response to Xmeat and his ilk. No, it's just that you're a Hulk fanboy...

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
No, it's just that you're a Hulk fanboy...


lol

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Ms. Marvel is fine unless it's Binary, which it isn't. So that's a rather weak objection imo. With a "No Binary" clause (which should be obvious anyway) she's perfectly acceptable.

And my objection to Obsidian stands until otherwise convinced.

so MS. marvel is fine as long as she doesn't augment herself

but Meggan isn't even if i don't use he rpowers to augment her.

doubble standard

Originally posted by Devil Lance
so MS. marvel is fine as long as she doesn't augment herself

but Meggan isn't even if i don't use he rpowers to augment her.

doubble standard

Actually, I never mentioned Meggan at all. You're rolling your eyes at the wrong person....I only comment on those I know well enough to feel good about forming an opinion.

Against Meggan and Obsidian.Obsidian,dear god.....

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You're out of your mind. That or you've been dramatically effected by the negative response to Xmeat and his ilk.
Iron man in a less advanced version of his armor beats Hulk
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/361854_3-respect-iron-man

Namor beats hulk
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/7674/avengers003173hf.jpg

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Actually, I never mentioned Meggan at all. You're rolling your eyes at the wrong person....I only comment on those I know well enough to feel good about forming an opinion.

I
but your saying Ms Marvel is fine as long as she doesn't amp her self to the point at which she becomes Binary

why can't the samme restriction apply with Meggan

(1)Forge
(2)Venom
(3)The Spot
(4)Sabertooth
(5)Moonstone (classic)
(6)Meggan (....no )
(7)Obsidian (double no)

Whenever IM beats Hulk he always compleely drains his suit,hell the first time he had to cheapshot a blind Hulk with everything he had,Namr beats Hulk in water or near a beach mostlt,and unless a fight was located there,He'd lose.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Against Meggan and Obsidian.Obsidian,dear god.....

Hey Martian, how bad is Obsidian? Does he have a respect thread?

"Ironman should beat Hulk." He's done it twice, but both times were with serious prep or very high PIS.

"Namor should beat Hulk." Beat Hulk once, but that was in the water. And it was closer to a stalemate.

"Donna Troy should beat Hulk." **** no.

"Starfire should beat hulk." No way in hell.


there is no way in hell Meggan is staying in this tournament.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
I
but your saying Ms Marvel is fine as long as she doesn't amp her self to the point at which she becomes Binary

why can't the samme restriction apply with Meggan

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Hey Martian, how bad is Obsidian? Does he have a respect thread?

"Ironman should beat Hulk." He's done it twice, but both times were with serious prep or very high PIS.

"Namor should beat Hulk." Beat Hulk once, but that was in the water. And it was closer to a stalemate.

"Donna Troy should beat Hulk." **** no.

"Starfire should beat hulk." No way in hell.


there is no way in hell Meggan is staying in this tournament.


Obsidian was punking the entire JSA until Alan Scott went apeshit

Meggan and he are way over the Caps,think 10x worse then Nughtshade.(still think she could have stayed)

Originally posted by Devil Lance
I
but your saying Ms Marvel is fine as long as she doesn't amp her self to the point at which she becomes Binary

why can't the samme restriction apply with Meggan

Beats me. I know next-to-nothing about Meggan. Again, I'm just saying what I feel about Carol. You'd be better off posing that question to others.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Hey Martian, how bad is Obsidian? Does he have a respect thread?

"Ironman should beat Hulk." He's done it twice, but both times were with serious prep or very high PIS.

"Namor should beat Hulk." Beat Hulk once, but that was in the water. And it was closer to a stalemate.

"Donna Troy should beat Hulk." **** no.

"Starfire should beat hulk." No way in hell.


there is no way in hell Meggan is staying in this tournament.

Trickster shut up up you don't have aclue what your talking about

Donna Troy can beat halk she way faster than him and stronger than him at base levels

Same with starfire she can nova blast him before he even has the chance to even think of hurting her

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Beats me. I know next-to-nothing about Meggan. Again, I'm just saying what I feel about Carol. You'd be better off posing that question to others.

thats what I'm trying to do

Baselevel-megan = Ironman level

Lance,don't get bitchy.

It has been decided she is over the Caps,and that isn' going to change,double standards do occur,but some for good reason.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Lance,don't get bitchy.

It has been decided she is over the Caps,and that isn' going to change,double standards do occur,but some for good reason.
I'm not being bitchy

shes only above the caps if she augments herself

Base level Meggan is within the caps no ?

If I don't use her powers to augment my character to the point where it is over the caps she should be fine

How about you shut up? You picked someone who is far over the caps, you got caught, now take your medicine and repick.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
I'm not being bitchy

shes only above the caps if she augments herself

Base level Meggan is within the caps no ?

If I don't use her powers to augment my character to the point where it is over the caps she should be fine


"Trickster shut up up you don't have aclue what your talking about "

If we allowed in Meggan it would be a double standard.Why?because Nightshade was banned because neutering characters was viewed infavouribly,and as you've said so much in this thread,double standards are bad

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
"Namor should beat Hulk." Beat Hulk once, but that was in the water. And it was closer to a stalemate.
Beat Hulk twice... fair and decisive.

He also was beating him out of the water in Marvel: The End, until Thanos stepped in, and stopped them both.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
How about you shut up? You picked someone who is far over the caps, you got caught, now take your medicine and repick.

she snot over the freakin caps base level Meggan is within the caps

I won't use her powers to augment my character shes fine

Originally posted by Devil Lance
she snot over the freakin caps base level Meggan is within the caps

I won't use her powers to augment my character shes fine But almost all of her offensive powers, are her augumenting...

Meggan and shapeshift and take the powers of almost anyone she wants.

Meggan can duke it out with Galactus. No.

Meggan gets a compared to Jaspers. No
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainbritain198586cbvbc4.jpg

Jaspers? As in, MJJ?! **** this, ban the ***** already.

Can I draft The Fury?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Meggan and shapeshift and take the powers of almost anyone she wants.

Meggan can duke it out with Galactus. No.

Meggan gets a compared to Jaspers. No
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainbritain198586cbvbc4.jpg She never duked it out with Galactus... she was shot down by her teammates as soon as she started to amp herself.

There are other things that she has done that put her above the limits, but she never fought Galactus.

Also, in that scan, she wasn't compared to Jaspers either...

Originally posted by Ethereal
Can I draft The Fury?

hysterical If those two aren't banned by some miracle, then that might be a good idea.

I never said she did. I said she can....if she ever decided to deplete the planet of its resources

She would probably lose, but whatever.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I never said she did. I said she can....if she ever decided to deplete the planet of its resources

She would probably lose, but whatever. A planet full of resources, would still get her one-shotted...

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Jaspers? As in, MJJ?! **** this, ban the ***** already.

gfine I give up you guys are ****in jackasses but whatever

I think we've established that Obsidian and Meggan are over Caps,and frankly with the overwhelming majority on the ban side the opinion of their owners doesn't come into effect.


It's only Goobers opinion that matters in the long run anyway.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
I'm not being bitchy Originally posted by Devil Lance





Originally posted by Devil Lance
gfine I give up you guys are ****in jackasses but whatever


I tried not to....but i couldn't resist...

Originally posted by Martian_mind
I tried not to....but i couldn't resist...

really mature how old are you

he's like 13 (at....he acts like he's 13 )

Anyways now that we know you picked meggan, you can just post whoever your next pick is on the board

same age as Smurf

Now,if i was immature i'd point out the irony in a blindingly obvious way.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
really mature how old are you You just had an online temper tantrum, involving a lot of swearing and patronizing, over not being allowed a single pick in an internet forum's comics tournament... you shouldn't be lecturing on maturity...

Have to rub it in...
She absorbed the powers from Brian that with it, he punched back Necrom with Anti-Phoenix force (with it, the guy was ripping through planets, and destroying a bunch of them to stop Phoenix), then she does this...
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6273/excalibur050p33fq7.th.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1489/excalibur050p34rv2.th.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1452/excalibur050p35ax4.th.jpg
Come on now... that was only the third comic I looked through...

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Now,if i was immature i'd point out the irony in a blindingly obvious way.

you don't even know the meaning of irony do you kid

theres a difference between being pissed off (which I was) and being an immature little brat (which you were) kay

Smurf-Zing ermm

Originally posted by Redatom65
Smurf-Zing ermm I try. wooerm

Originally posted by Devil Lance
you don't even know the meaning of irony do you kid

theres a difference between being pissed off (which I was) and being an immature little brat (which you were) kay

No,Throwing a tantrum then accusing someone of being immature is ironic AND hypocritical.

The irony is even greater because you called me immature,then didn't posses the maturity to ignore my comment,way to pwn yourself.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
I try. ermmwoo

not really a good effort I must say

Originally posted by Devil Lance
not really a good effort I must say petpet

easy Lance, take it easy

Ok first of all, EVERYBODY calm down. Just because I'm away for a few hours doesn't mean that you all have to start bickering because you don't know whether or not I'll ban a certain character. If you have an objection to someone that's been picked, state your case as to why and I'll do my best to address it when I check in. If it's your character that has been objected to, just PM your response to the objections and I'll make my decision after I look over both sides and talk to some of the judges. There's no reason for everyone to ruin this tourney like the last by arguing unnecessarily.

That being said, both characters have been changed by the people who drafted them. The new picks are...

cosmic king
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_King

and Umbra

I know nothing about either of these characters so I don't know for sure if they're ok. If they're not, just remember what I said in the first paragraph.

Again, can I get ben 10000 in this mother****er?

Originally posted by long pig
Again, can I get ben 10000 in this mother****er?

Does that mean you're in? 2nd, who is Ben 10000?

Hey, Goober, did you get a reply on that question I asked?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Does that mean you're in? 2nd, who is Ben 10000?

Hey, Goober, did you get a reply on that question I asked?
Sure, I'm in, I believe.
Ben 10, the cartoon and comic book(started off as a 10 page comic). Alien watch lets him turn into aliens.

Falls well within the limits, so I don't see any reason why not. If I get him, then I'll come up with a second guy.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
and last time i checked Jamie doesn't have any durability powers
so she should be able to hurt him

Who needs durability when you pull quantum strings.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/451/uncannyxmen14472nq9.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/728/uncannyxmen15472np1.jpg

does cosmic king have 10 appearances? and . . . what are the transmutation limits of his powers?

Originally posted by Devil Lance
this is meggan aat extremly amped up levels she had almost depleted her entire powersource.

and the only ba dthings she was doing to the earth was making it rain really earth.

like I said base level Meggan = Ironman level

Originally posted by Devil Lance
DG never set a ban on poweramping if I do recall

The power limit for any single character is Extremis Iro Man ... if a single character can go beyond that under their own power then they are over the cap limit.

When you add the three characters together there is no limit to their power level.

and is obsidian not similar to cloak? not sure, really, just asking.

I think Obsidian is >>> Cloak

Originally posted by leonidas
does cosmic king have 10 appearances? and . . . what are the transmutation limits of his powers?

appearances

Superman Vol. 1 #147 (August 1961)
Superman/Batman #14
Superman Batman #15
Superman Batman #16
Superman Batman #17
Superman Batman #18
Legion of Super-Heroes Vol. 3 #1 (August 1984):

Legion of Super-Heroes Vol. 3 #2 (September 1984):"

Legion of Super-Heroes Vol. 3 #3 (October 1984):

Legion of Super-Heroes Vol. 3 #4 (November 1984):

Legion of Super-Heroes Vol. 3 #5 (December 1984):

Legion of Super-Heroes Vol. 3 #8 (March 1985):

Crisis on Infinite Earths #9 (December 1985):

Crisis on Infinite Earths #10/2 (January 1986):

I'd say thats enough
hes fine with me

Originally posted by long pig
Sure, I'm in, I believe.
Ben 10, the cartoon and comic book(started off as a 10 page comic). Alien watch lets him turn into aliens.

Falls well within the limits, so I don't see any reason why not. If I get him, then I'll come up with a second guy.

Ben 10 even in the show would probably be able to take down IronMan (sans CIS)

Ben 10,000 had full control of the watch IIRC. He would wreck IM.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
appearances

Superman Vol. 1 #147 (August 1961)
Superman/Batman #14
Superman Batman #15
Superman Batman #16
Superman Batman #17
Superman Batman #18
Legion of Super-Heroes Vol. 3 #1 (August 1984):

Legion of Super-Heroes Vol. 3 #2 (September 1984):"

Legion of Super-Heroes Vol. 3 #3 (October 1984):

Legion of Super-Heroes Vol. 3 #4 (November 1984):

Legion of Super-Heroes Vol. 3 #5 (December 1984):

Legion of Super-Heroes Vol. 3 #8 (March 1985):

Crisis on Infinite Earths #9 (December 1985):

Crisis on Infinite Earths #10/2 (January 1986):

I'd say thats enough
hes fine with me



and what about his transmutation limitations?

Originally posted by leonidas


and what about his transmutation limitations?

I think this is

the only limitation
No Offensive organic matter manipulation

Originally posted by Devil Lance
I think this is

the only limitation
No Offensive organic matter manipulation

So ... can he turn himself into organic adamantium?

Ok here's the 2nd draft at this point. Several of these characters are questionable in my mind, so if anyone has a problem with any of them just speak up as to why...

1.Indigo(changed from Forge)
2.Venom
3.The Spot
4.Sabertooth
5."Classic" Moonstone(please note that it's Moonstone from the Thunderbolts, not the original)
6.cosmic king
7.Colossus
8.Selene
9.Zxaxz

I'm awaiting more info on Ben before I clear him, so if any of you know about him you should speak up as to whether or not he should be allowed.

Holy crap, SELENE? O_o?

Her Shadow form makes her impervious to ALL physical attacks. She's Immortal. Plus has a whole lot of other abilities.(TK, Teleportation, TP, Super Speed, Pyrokinesis, Control over inanimate objects, MAGIC.(She's also considered a threat to Kulan Gorath and managed to trick him.) Oh and she has a death touch.

Wow, Indigo, as in one of the Brainiacs?
Maybe I'm wrong I thought Braniac > Ironman. It can be dealt with so I won't push but ehh, just makes me think about it.

Who the hell is Zxaxz? ... you mean Zzzax the Hulk's enemy?

Ben 10 doesn't have enough appearances and Selene does seem to be >> IM.

Don't know who Indigo is though so I can't comment on him/her.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Who the hell is Zxaxz? ... you mean Zzzax the Hulk's enemy?

Ben 10 doesn't have enough appearances and Selene does seem to be >> IM.

Don't know who Indigo is though so I can't comment on him/her.

Indigo =

She curbstomped the outsiders
whose lineup at the time consited

of
Jade
Starfire
Shift
Grace
Thunder
Arsenal
Nightwing

Her and Superboy went nuts on the Titans and Outsiders if its the one I'm thinking of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_%28comics%29

She never really appeared to be > than Ironman but I would think she'd have more than enough potential being a Brainiac and all.

Ehh never mind as long as no one else cares then she's fine with me too.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
Indigo =

She curbstomped the outsiders
whose lineup at the time consited

of
Jade
Starfire
Shift
Grace
Thunder
Arsenal
Nightwing

See that what I was getting at!

Question-

Say Colossus was picked for body... is it assumed he gets his armored form? Or would it just be Piotr in regular human form, seeing as changing would technically be a power...?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok first of all, EVERYBODY calm down. Just because I'm away for a few hours doesn't mean that you all have to start bickering because you don't know whether or not I'll ban a certain character. If you have an objection to someone that's been picked, state your case as to why and I'll do my best to address it when I check in. If it's your character that has been objected to, just PM your response to the objections and I'll make my decision after I look over both sides and talk to some of the judges. There's no reason for everyone to ruin this tourney like the last by arguing unnecessarily.

That being said, both characters have been changed by the people who drafted them. The new picks are...

cosmic king
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_King

and Umbra

I know nothing about either of these characters so I don't know for sure if they're ok. If they're not, just remember what I said in the first paragraph.
Umbra from the LoSH? haermm

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Question-

Say Colossus was picked for body... is it assumed he gets his armored form? Or would it just be Piotr in regular human form, seeing as changing would technically be a power...?

This was actually dealt with earlier. Goober said he will be ruled as starting in his armored form, since that is basically when his powers are considered passive/on.


Throw Selene out. She's not only the only External left, SHE KILLED OFF MOST OF THE OTHERS! She's too damn powerful.

If Indigo is indeed a teambuster, then she needs to be kicked.

Zzzax is far over the killability limit.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Zzzax is far over the killability limit.

Yeah, the guy is living electricity.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm awaiting more info on Ben before I clear him, so if any of you know about him you should speak up as to whether or not he should be allowed.

In the show Ben's forms are capable of:

Superhuman strength, durability and agility
Immense superhuman speed (sublight but over sound)
Superhuman senses (DareDevil like) and agility
Intangibility and invisiblity that can be negated only by light
Breathing underwater
Immense intelligence
Fire progection and flight
Technopathy, energy progection, modification of existing technology to a far more advanced form that need not always be related to the tech' orginial prurpose
Near invulnerability, the ability to create sharp edged weapons, superhuman strength, immunity to laser like weapons
Flight, multidirectional vision, goo spiting
Near invulnerability while in motion, moderate superspeed

Those are just his common forms and cartoons usually downplay a character's abilities.
His main limitation is just CIS and the fact that he can't switch at will and must recharge the watch after each use (although his older self has overcome these problems)

Personally I think he would lose a forum fight against Tony due to his lack of intelligence but without that limitation he could probably get the job done.



Anyway thats just my 2 cents. The comic character might be completly different.

Ben 10/10,000 =

1.Indigo(changed from Forge): dl's description of that battle with the outsiders is not all that accurate -- sorry dl. connor was present as were luthor, the REAL brainiac, his ship and about a dozen superman robots. she had a good shoing in the last couple issues, but everyone has good showings. she also DIED there, so of course it will be a good showing. throughout the series she was definitely never above ironman. ban indigo?

2.Venom:

3.The Spot: (well done!)

4.Sabertooth:

5."Classic" Moonstone(please note that it's Moonstone from the Thunderbolts, not the original):

6.cosmic king: still unclear about his limits. maybe goob could expound a bit based on info from whoever took him to keep things anonymous?

7.Colossus:

8.Selene: hmm, her mind/power category is VERY blurry. no one really knows what her mutant powers are, so whoever is using her could just make it up. that is a bit of an issue, imo. she also has life drain and uses magic in kulan gath's territory. that is pretty uber. she's the first character that has been drafted that i'd say may deserve looking at again. she's not SO far over caps that i'd be despondent were she allowed, but . . . life drain + uber-magic may need some reconsidering.

9.Zxaxz: i've always placed zzzax in the sandman/hydroman category of killability. if his BODY is being used, it may need to be looked at. if it's his 'power', then --

my thoughts for what they are worth.

and i know nothing about this 'ben' guy. does he have 10 comic book appearances?

whatever everyone says, i'd agree to.

Originally posted by leonidas
1.Indigo(changed from Forge): dl's description of that battle with the outsiders is not all that accurate -- sorry dl. connor was present as were luthor, the REAL brainiac, his ship and about a dozen superman robots. she had a good shoing in the last couple issues, but everyone has good showings. she also DIED there, so of course it will be a good showing. throughout the series she was definitely never above ironman. ban indigo?




I'm taling about Outsdiers #24

you know when she stoopped Jade's power from working

and beat Grace, Thunder, and Starfire down like they were nothing

true she did stop jade's powers, but she had MONTHS to study jade's abilities.


garce and thunder isn't that big a deal. she never beat down starfire, THAT battle was interrupted. but starfire DID blast her arm off. had she aimed elsewhere -- which she did NOT because she was only WARNING her -- who knows, she may have killed her.

like starfire, ALL of them were sort of holding back at the start because they still weren't sure what was happening.

i have the books. it's a good showing (very good series, actually). but nothing that would definitively place her above ironman, imo.

this is the problem with calling for bans -- MOST characters have high showings that may appear to place someone over caps. but that doesn't mean they really ARE over them. i trust goob and the people he's working with. and don't forget people -- if some feat comes out in a battle, that character can be BANNED ON THE SPOT -- DURING the match. so IF someone sneaks someone into the tournament and shows a scan that clearly depicts said character as being ABOVE the caps, well . . . that person will be pretty much s. o. l.

(which is why i don't feel too worried about letting in almost anyone. if they try and any stuff . . .

death

Originally posted by leonidas
true she did stop jade's powers, but she had MONTHS to study jade's abilities.


garce and thunder isn't that big a deal. she never beat down starfire, THAT battle was interrupted. but starfire DID blast her arm off. had she aimed elsewhere -- which she did NOT because she was only WARNING her -- who knows, she may have killed her.

like starfire, ALL of them were sort of holding back at the start because they still weren't sure what was happening.

i have the books. it's a good showing (very good series, actually). but nothing that would definitively place her above ironman, imo.

this is the problem with calling for bans -- MOST characters have high showings that may appear to place someone over caps. but that doesn't mean they really ARE over them. i trust goob and the people he's working with. and don't forget people -- if some feat comes out in a battle, that character can be BANNED ON THE SPOT -- DURING the match. so IF someone sneaks someone into the tournament and shows a scan that clearly depicts said character as being ABOVE the caps, well . . . that person will be pretty much s. o. l.

(which is why i don't feel too worried about letting in almost anyone. if they try and any stuff . . .

death
meh whatever

I say ex nay on Indigo

But....let Darth handle it

I think it's Zxaxz from Spellbound, not Zzzax from Hulk.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I think it's Zxaxz from Spellbound, not Zzzax from Hulk.

You sure? never heard of him/her ... got a bio?

He's from this comic:

http://www.geocities.com/jhaeman/Comics/spellbo.html

Got anything resembling an actual bio though? and that site says there were only 6 issues ... you need at least 10 for this.

I've seen a few bios on him. Some have him as just a telekinetic (or something similar). Others have him as a ruler of his own dimension....which seems like it may make him above the caps.

We'd really need to know more about him before any sort of ruling could be made.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Got anything resembling an actual bio though? and that site says there were only 6 issues ... you need at least 10 for this.
Read the bottom part.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I've seen a few bios on him. Some have him as just a telekinetic (or something similar). Others have him as a ruler of his own dimension....which seems like it may make him above the caps.

We'd really need to know more about him before any sort of ruling could be made.
He's over Iron-Man normaly, but within the constraints on matter manipulations, I think Iron-Man could defeat him.

Isn't that technically neutering?

yep.

Just making sure. I think that means your choice is out Kandy.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Isn't that technically neutering?
It's not nuetering. Nuetering is when someone is capped below his normal powerlevel, in order to make him weak enough.

I.E. "Magneto can be in it, but He's not allowed to do anything that could beat Iron-Man".

In this case, it's just Power rules that limit him.

I.E. "Faster then light characters can only move at lightspeed."

Another example is "No bloodrips". It makes Magneto less useful, but if you have him it doesn't count a nuetering.