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A battle to the death who wins?

Which SS is this? Which Firestorm is this?

Firestorm, he has survived worse then the power cosmic. If it's Elemental Firestorm, he swats SS like a gnat.

Originally posted by sexyking
A battle to the death who wins?

firestorm

I like FS in this fight. He seems to put his powers to better use in combat.

Firestorm for the win.

Surfer

Originally posted by Starhawk
Firestorm, he has survived worse then the power cosmic. If it's Elemental Firestorm, he swats SS like a gnat.

it's very cool to have a firestorm fan here.

Now then, I think the Surfer grabs the majority.....

Surfer of course.

Not of course. Firestorm has suffered through worse then the power cosmic. And do not quote SS beating agies and tenebrous because that was PIS on PMS.

And as I said if we're talking Elemental Firestorm, then he squashes SS like a bug.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Not of course. Firestorm has suffered through worse then the power cosmic. And do not quote SS beating agies and tenebrous because that was PIS on PMS.

And as I said if we're talking Elemental Firestorm, then he squashes SS like a bug.

when's the last time we even saw the professor dude

Originally posted by Redatom65
when's the last time we even saw the professor dude

Do you read Firestorm at all? Since it got cancelled for lack of readership I assume no?

Originally posted by Starhawk
Do you read Firestorm at all? Since it got cancelled for lack of readership I assume no?


I'm referring to the fact that Ronnie Raymond and the professor, and the professor is the elemental firestorm, while ronnie was the earth based one. No, I haven't gotten the chance to read Jason Rusch's series, why? Because I live 3 towns away from a comic shop

LOL @ Firestorm being overrated here. I guess everyone has their time to shine on KMC. At least it happened to a good character for once.

I happen to like Firestorm alot. The concept of a smart hero who uses physics has always impressed me. And yes, the proffessor is back. Though Darkseid just grabbed him from the matrix and dragged him to Apokolops.

Anyways, Firestorm loses. Against a lesser opponent, he'd do great. Unfortunately, the PC is a little too much for him. Not to mention Surfer is probably the best of Galactus's regular heralds when it comes to innovative uses of it.

Originally posted by Validus
LOL @ Firestorm being overrated here. I guess everyone has their time to shine on KMC. At least it happened to a good character for once.

Good character? haermm, Firestorm?

You always were good for a laugh ermm

Black Hole ftw

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Good character? haermm, Firestorm?

You always were good for a laugh ermm
I aim to please. ermmnone

Surfer ftw. badabing

Originally posted by Validus
I aim to please. ermmnone

I thought that was only after nine? disgust

All day, baby! ermmdance

Surfer for a majority.

Originally posted by Redatom65
I'm referring to the fact that Ronnie Raymond and the professor, and the professor is the elemental firestorm, while ronnie was the earth based one. No, I haven't gotten the chance to read Jason Rusch's series, why? Because I live 3 towns away from a comic shop

Don't worry not allot of people read it.

Still I admit SS might give normal Firestorm a battle, but Elemental Firestom would use SS for a toothpick.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Don't worry not allot of people read it.

Still I admit SS might give normal Firestorm a battle, but Elemental Firestom would use SS for a toothpick.

I fricken love Ronnie Raymond, i love the character's power set and they fuction. i don't love jason yet, Haven't read anything with him yet

His powers are different, he can fuse with anyone to create Firestorm but who he fuses with has an effect on his powerlevel. I still prefer Ronnie as well with The Prof as Elemental Firestorm.

Originally posted by Starhawk
His powers are different, he can fuse with anyone to create Firestorm but who he fuses with has an effect on his powerlevel. I still prefer Ronnie as well with The Prof as Elemental Firestorm.


if I recall correctly what made the professor an elemental in the first place is the fact that he knew how to manipulate everything to a much more superior degree. But when's the last time we saw the elemental firestorm character anyway? Problem with Firestorm is he's always been a B-/C+ character in DC's eyes, and he suffered for it. Like we didn't even know Ronnie died til Infinite Crisis, and it was soooo weak. shrug I don't think they'll make the same mistakes with Jason though...hopefully

The new Firestorm series was cancelled?

Originally posted by YFZ 350
The new Firestorm series was cancelled?

yeah, but I think he has a big role in Countdown...

Originally posted by Redatom65
if I recall correctly what made the professor an elemental in the first place is the fact that he knew how to manipulate everything to a much more superior degree. But when's the last time we saw the elemental firestorm character anyway? Problem with Firestorm is he's always been a B-/C+ character in DC's eyes, and he suffered for it. Like we didn't even know Ronnie died til Infinite Crisis, and it was soooo weak. shrug I don't think they'll make the same mistakes with Jason though...hopefully

Basically the Firestorm matrix works like the Phoenix Force. It's the force of creation in the DCU, there have been many hosts and the matrix exits in the multiverse. Martin Stein was able to become Elemental Firestorm because much like Jean Grey is the perfect host for the Phoenix Force, Stein is the most compatible host for the Matrix.

Stein is the only person who can access the Firestorm Matrix while outside the Matrix itself.

During Infinite Crisis he turned back into his human form to become Jason's tutor so he could properly use the power of Firestorm.

I will do a respect thread soon.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I happen to like Firestorm alot. The concept of a smart hero who uses physics has always impressed me. And yes, the proffessor is back. Though Darkseid just grabbed him from the matrix and dragged him to Apokolops.

Anyways, Firestorm loses. Against a lesser opponent, he'd do great. Unfortunately, the PC is a little too much for him. Not to mention Surfer is probably the best of Galactus's regular heralds when it comes to innovative uses of it.

Power cosmic > FS matrix?

No, just no...

Power Cosmic on average >> Firestorms Nuclear Powers.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Basically the Firestorm matrix works like the Phoenix Force. It's the force of creation in the DCU, there have been many hosts and the matrix exits in the multiverse. Martin Stein was able to become Elemental Firestorm because much like Jean Grey is the perfect host for the Phoenix Force, Stein is the most compatible host for the Matrix.

Stein is the only person who can access the Firestorm Matrix while outside the Matrix itself.

During Infinite Crisis he turned back into his human form to become Jason's tutor so he could properly use the power of Firestorm.

I will do a respect thread soon.

buddy, you gotta join my team

Originally posted by Redatom65
buddy, you gotta join my team

Sure, tell me more about it.

Originally posted by Starhawk
but Elemental Firestom would use SS for a toothpick. Elemental Firestorm's greatest feats...

Defeating the Air and Water Elementals
Defeating Brimstone on the Sun


But in the end, he couldn't even resist the force of a Black Hole.





Regular Firestorm on the other hand has shown the ability to manipulate Darkseid's own Omega Force.



Firestorm ftw.

Originally posted by grey fox
Black Hole ftw

Originally posted by Priest
I never really understood that...


Elemental Firestorm gets pwned by a black hole, yet the current Firestorm can summon boom tubes and the like, at will?


wtf?

Originally posted by Galan007
I never really understood that...


Elemental Firestorm gets pwned by a black hole, yet the current Firestorm can summon boom tubes and the like, at will?


wtf?
Thats odd, I always thought that Elemental>Currenet version of FS..im i correct?

Originally posted by Priest
Thats odd, I always thought that Elemental>Currenet version of FS..im i correct? Well, he's supposed to be.

Kind of like Superman Prime is supposed to be the most powerful Superman.


But on panel feats would suggest otherwise lol.





Personally,

I have seen greater feats from normal Firestorm, then I have from Elemental Firestorm.

Surfer wins easily.

Originally posted by Photon009
Surfer wins easily. Easily, ey?


How so?

Originally posted by Galan007
Easily, ey?


How so?

He's flatout on a level above Firestorm, simply more powerful. Firestom i would place around the level of Air-Walker or Nova.

Originally posted by Photon009
He's flatout on a level above Firestorm, simply more powerful. Firestom i would place around the level of Air-Walker or Nova. You didn't answer the question though...

If Surfer would beat FS that easily, surely you can tell me how he would do that?

Originally posted by Photon009
He's flatout on a level above Firestorm, simply more powerful. Firestom i would place around the level of Air-Walker or Nova.
Firestorm on the level of Nova??????
crylaughcrylaughcrylaughcrylaugh

Originally posted by Galan007
You didn't answer the question though...

If Surfer would beat FS that easily, surely you can tell me how he would do that?

When someone's flatout more powerful than someone else, usually how does the more powerful person win? By straight-up beating the hell out of the weaker guy.

Originally posted by Photon009
When someone's flatout more powerful than someone else, usually how does the more powerful person win? By straight-up beating the hell out of the weaker guy. Again, how?


Because I certainly don't see SS taking this in a curbstomp.

Originally posted by Galan007
Again, how?


Because I certainly don't see SS taking this in a curbstomp.

I dont know what you want me to say dude. Surfer just beats his ass. Blasts him out, punches him out, basically however Surfer feels like beating Firestorm, he will.

Originally posted by Photon009
Surfer just beats his ass. Blasts him out, punches him out, basically however Surfer feels like beating Firestorm, he will. lol.

Originally posted by Estacado
Firestorm on the level of Nova??????
crylaughcrylaughcrylaughcrylaugh

Originally posted by Estacado


Nah i'd personally place him a little above Nova, around original Air-Walker's level. But still, not nearly as powerful as the top heralds like Firelord, Morg, and most importantly for this debate, Surfer.

Firestorm just beat Orion and a powered up Kalibak.

Originally posted by Estacado
Firestorm just beat Orion.

Okay, thats pretty much his best win ever. Or one of them. Surfer's beat Aegis and Tenebrous, and Uni-Lord, and Ravenous, and Firelord, and Quasar, and Terrax, and Morg, and a shitload of others. Firestorm is outmatched here. And Orion is overrated.

Originally posted by Estacado
Firestorm just beat Orion and a powered up Kalibak. Eh, he slowed down Orion, though I'll admit he had the upper hand it seemed.

Originally posted by Photon009
Surfer's beat Aegis and Tenebrouslol.

Originally posted by Photon009
And Orion is overrated. Same as above.

Originally posted by Estacado
Firestorm just beat Orion and a powered up Kalibak. Kalibak pwned Orion, Firestorm pwned Kalibak.

Originally posted by Photon009
Okay, thats pretty much his best win ever. Or one of them. Surfer's beat Aegis and Tenebrous, and Uni-Lord, and Ravenous, and Firelord, and Quasar, and Terrax, and Morg, and a shitload of others. Firestorm is outmatched here. And Orion is overrated.

Quasar let him win-IMO quasar beats surfer for the majority
Tenebreus and aegis -cmon that was not a true win

i think surfer for the majority-but it will be a hard fight IMO

Originally posted by Galan007
Kalibak pwned Orion, Firestorm pwned Kalibak. Was the kalibak thing recent because mostly every time me meets orion hes beaten into the floor.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Was the kalibak thing recent because mostly every time me meets orion hes beaten into the floor.

In the latest issue of Firestorm, Kalibak's power had been greatly amped, and he beat Orion pretty damn easy.


Then Firestorm beat Kalibak without too much effort.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Was the kalibak thing recent because mostly every time me meets orion hes beaten into the floor. Darkseid has granted Kalibak more power. Darkseid himself however was even more impressive, when he arrived on the scene.

Originally posted by Juntai
Darkseid has granted Kalibak more power. Darkseid himself however was even more impressive, when he arrived on the scene.

Darkseid's an overrated punk. Darkseid himself loses to Surfer.

Originally posted by Photon009
Darkseid's an overrated punk. Darkseid himself loses to Surfer.

Originally posted by Photon009
Darkseid's an overrated punk. Darkseid himself loses to Surfer.

Originally posted by Photon009
Darkseid's an overrated punk. Darkseid himself loses to Surfer.
Phail.

Originally posted by Photon009
Darkseid's an overrated punk. Darkseid himself loses to Surfer.

Darkseid is vastly overrated on these boards but he takes the Surfer. Firestorm on the other hand loses to Surfer. SS can do anything Firestorm can do but better.

Originally posted by Photon009
Darkseid's an overrated punk. Darkseid himself loses to Surfer.

Cosigned mofo!

Id agree that Darkseid is VASTLY overrated on these forums, but SS will not take one win against him (much like every time he faces thanos) SS takes the majority over firestorm though IMO

well darkseid seemed affraid of the surfer when he came to apokalips for his master, so he decided to sick his creations on silver surfer instead of fighting him on his own. Then when he had the chance he snuck surfer from behind with the oe.

I also think that darkseid is overrated on these forums. Recent darkseid get pound on a regular basis by superman. Classic darkseid was no joke but recent darkseid aint nothing but a punching bag. Classic and recent darkseid are 2 different people but that is the darkseid that you would have to use is the updated one and silver surfer will whip his a**.

Originally posted by carver9
well darkseid seemed affraid of the surfer when he came to apokalips for his master, so he decided to sick his creations on silver surfer instead of fighting him on his own. Then when he had the chance he snuck surfer from behind with the oe.

I also think that darkseid is overrated on these forums. Recent darkseid get pound on a regular basis by superman. Classic darkseid was no joke but recent darkseid aint nothing but a punching bag. Classic and recent darkseid are 2 different people but that is the darkseid that you would have to use is the updated one and silver surfer will whip his a**.
Let me guess Wolverine isn't overrated.....

Originally posted by tdawg14
Darkseid is vastly overrated on these boards but he takes the Surfer. Firestorm on the other hand loses to Surfer. SS can do anything Firestorm can do but better. I'll go a step further and say Firestorm is being overrated in this thread. Orion's overrated. Surfer and Darkseid are overrated! Heck, you and I are overrated!

...But I agree. The Power Cosmic does seem to be able to do anything Firestorm can do, but on a higher level. Surfer himself seems to have better speed, strength, perception, and durability on average. That alone is a huge advantage.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
I'll go a step further and say Firestorm is being overrated in this thread. Orion's overrated. Surfer and Darkseid are overrated! Heck, you and I are overrated!

...But I agree. The Power Cosmic does seem to be able to do anything Firestorm can do, but on a higher level. Surfer himself seems to have better speed, strength, perception, and durability on average. That alone is a huge advantage.

Can Surfer resist being merged with Firestorm? How has Surfer done against beings who can go intangible?

Surfer can become intagnible as well.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Can Surfer resist being merged with Firestorm? How has Surfer done against beings who can go intangible? Interesting, he could possibly merge Surfer into the Firestorm matrix, doing so would give Firestorm Surfers lifeforce as a powersource, and he could drain it out.

Originally posted by Estacado
Surfer can become intagnible as well. True, and he seemed able to battle the Vision just fine, all the while immersed in magma.

Can Firestorm resist being merged with Surfer's board?

Couldn't Surfer imprison him into his board somehow?

The other way, of being merged into the Matrix, is more likely than that however, considering Surfer did it once since his creation, and Firestorm does his every issue.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
I'll go a step further and say Firestorm is being overrated in this thread. How so?

Nothing but on panel feats have been brought up here.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
The Power Cosmic does seem to be able to do anything Firestorm can do, but on a higher level. I don't buy that.

Originally posted by Estacado
Couldn't Surfer imprison him into his board somehow? Even if he could, what the heck is going to keep FS there?

Originally posted by tdawg14
Darkseid is vastly overrated on these boards but he takes the Surfer. Firestorm on the other hand loses to Surfer. SS can do anything Firestorm can do but better. very well said. darksied would take 7 out of ten against the surfer. the silver surfer would beat firestorm 7 out of ten times.

Originally posted by quanchi112
very well said. darksied would take 7 out of ten against the surfer. the silver surfer would beat firestorm 7 out of ten times.

DS would beat Surfer 700/10.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
DS would beat Surfer 700/10. again anyone who says 1000/10 or some crap like that its a red flag to ima fanboy. he cant beat superman 100 percent of time so there is no way he is beating silver surfer 100 percent of the time. NO WAY

Originally posted by quanchi112
the silver surfer would beat firestorm 7 out of ten times. Meh,

IF Surfer takes this, it would be more like 6/10.



I still don't see how exactly Surfer would take this though.

Originally posted by Galan007
Meh,

IF Surfer takes this, it would be more like 6/10.



I still don't see how exactly Surfer would take this though. so in ur eyes my numbers were one off. u act like i was 3 off or something totally different. im confused to by ur post. u say surfer would win 60 percent of the time but u dont know how. what do u guess? if u guesses why wouldnt u put it 50/50. u are confusing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
so in ur eyes my numbers were one off. u act like i was 3 off or something totally different. im confused to by ur post. u say surfer would win 60 percent of the time but u dont know how. what do u guess? if u guesses why wouldnt u put it 50/50. u are confusing. If you notice, I said "IF Surfer takes this"...... Keyword: "IF".


I personally am not convinced that he would take this, .


But IF SS did take this, it would certainly be by a very narrow margin.




Understand?

Originally posted by Galan007
If you notice, I said "IF Surfer takes this"...... Keyword: "IF".


I personally am not convinced that he would take this, .


But IF SS did take this, it would certainly be by a very narrow margin.




Understand? well ye si understand but using the word if i would keep it like 51 percent meaning that u havent come to a solid conclusion so u gave him the slightest of majorities. but i guess ur happy with 60 majority. ok

Originally posted by quanchi112
well ye si understand but using the word if i would keep it like 51 percent meaning that u havent come to a solid conclusion so u gave him the slightest of majorities. but i guess ur happy with 60 majority. ok wtf...


Again,

I already gave FS the majority... so yeah, I'm pretty decided. doped

ok so u agree with me, good. we may disagree on numbers but u agree surfer takes it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
ok so u agree with me, good. we may disagree on numbers but u agree surfer takes it. Originally posted by Galan007
wtf...


Again,

I already gave FS the majority... so yeah, I'm pretty decided. doped

Originally posted by Galan007

Originally posted by Galan007



Haha.. this is a funny argument

Surfer.

More power, more versatile.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Surfer.

more versatile. Now that I doubt.

I don't.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I don't. Explain to me how SS is more versatile the a being who can manipulate the atomic structure of almost anything?

What made me decide surfer for the majority(very close though)

Cosmic awareness-IMO it decides the battle when its this close,but i wont argue someone saying firestorm-but barely(or tuff battle)

Firestorm is no joke especialy on the boards, where they fight to their best ability

mehh, Firestorm well written could go either way..

Originally posted by Roldz
mehh, Firestorm well written could go either way.. I'm glad someone else agrees.


Whoever takes this, would take it only by a very narrow margin imo.



Most of the people who have diligently argued for SS, haven't given any particular reason why he wins... It more or less comes down to them liking SS more I'd wager.

Originally posted by Galan007
Explain to me how SS is more versatile the a being who can manipulate the atomic structure of almost anything? A person who can manipulate the atomic structure of anything

The question is who would take a majority

Hal or Firestorm.

Whoever it is that is your answer expect replace SS with Hal

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm glad someone else agrees.


Whoever takes this, would take it only by a very narrow margin imo.



Most of the people who have diligently argued for SS, haven't given any particular reason why he wins... It more or less comes down to them liking SS more I'd wager. Isn't the same thing true of the folks arguing for Firestorm? What can he do to stop the Surfer who is using his abilities to their fullest extent, including his speed, cosmic perception, strength, and Power Cosmic?

Out of curiousity, how many people has Firestorm merged with that have had the capability to resist him?

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Isn't the same thing true of the folks arguing for Firestorm? What can he do to stop the Surfer who is using his abilities to their fullest extent? This is why I say it's very close either way...

FS could redirect or simply avoid any blast SS throws at him, through both intangibility and atomic manipulation.


FS can create monster like constructs to aide in this battle, and well as boom tube-esk portals...


It's very close imo.

This 2 is complete similar, from the use of there power to actual comic feats cept for FS constant manipulation of matter..

The only weakness i see of Firestorm that SS could manipulate is the bond between host and matrix, somethin SS has done so before assimilated his own to that of another and acquired all of its powers, then again its a double edge sword..

Originally posted by Roldz
then again its a double edge sword.. Precisely.

Originally posted by Galan007
Precisely.

Originally posted by Roldz
mehh, Firestorm well written could go either way..



But i beleived Norrin is far more willed than Jason, a fight between this 2 inside the matrix i give my money on Norrin..

Originally posted by Roldz
I agree.

Originally posted by Newjak
A person who can manipulate the atomic structure of anything

The question is who would take a majority

Hal or Firestorm.

Whoever it is that is your answer expect replace SS with Hal

The current Firestorm seems to be superior to the previous. And the previous was no joke at all. The current fire storm pwned kalibak who had just gotten a serious power increase who was able to punk Orion. NOw some may say that Orion actually had a decrease. But this isn't the case. Orion was able to humiliate Stompa. And Stompa has always been a near match for Barda. Orion would give Surfer a hard time. So It is easy to assume that since Kalibak pwned Orion, and then Firestorm turned around and put the smack down on Kalibak, this fight could go either way. I give the surfer 6/10 based upon surfers experience, and skill. Tho Fire storm seems to be able to do green lantern type things as well as his matter manipulation.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The current Firestorm seems to be superior to the previous. And the previous was no joke at all. The current fire storm pwned kalibak who had just gotten a serious power increase who was able to punk Orion. NOw some may say that Orion actually had a decrease. But this isn't the case. Orion was able to humiliate Stompa. And Stompa has always been a near match for Barda. Orion would give Surfer a hard time. So It is easy to assume that since Kalibak pwned Orion, and then Firestorm turned around and put the smack down on Kalibak, this fight could go either way. Actually,

Just before Orion got pwned by Kalibak, FS was already giving him a bit of a beating...


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Tho Fire storm seems to be able to do green lantern type things as well as his matter manipulation.

He was making pretty complicated constructs in the last issue, as well as creating boom tube type portals...



I'm still unsure here. ermm

This would DEFINENTLY be an interesting fight to see. I dunno who wins.

Originally posted by Galan007
Actually,

Just before Orion got pwned by Kalibak, FS was already giving him a bit of a beating...
Yeah, but Orion was breaking away or coming back from everything he was doing. Good feats Firestorm for sure, but don't get it twisted, because Orion was far from done.

Originally posted by Juntai
Yeah, but Orion was breaking away or coming back from everything he was doing. Good feats Firestorm for sure, but don't get it twisted, because Orion was far from done. Yeah,

I didn't say Orion was done or anything, just that Firestorm was smacking him around pretty good.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah,

I didn't say Orion was done or anything, just that Firestorm was smacking him around pretty good.