Why does God create people to send them to hell?

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lord xyz
If God created me, and is all knowing, IE knew what I would believe, why did he create me in the first place? Does he love seeing people go to hell? That's not very loving is it? Or is there something else to it like the devil making us sinners. After all, he made Adam sin, and we are descendants of Adam. But lets not over think this too soon.

Simply, why did God create sinners?

Nellinator
You have parents right? They had sex and you were born with their genetics right?

Bardock42
Originally posted by Nellinator
You have parents right? They had sex and you were born with their genetics right?

Go on.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Nellinator
You have parents right? They had sex and you were born with their genetics right? So much for god making us in the womb.

Quiero Mota
Originally posted by lord xyz
Simply, why did God create sinners?

Just live your life how you want, and you'll find that out when you die.

Boris
No God.

No Hell.

Ta-Da!

Nellinator
Lil, please ban this guy for trolling.

Burnt Pancakes
Seriously. Boris is such a little troll. He says the same damned thing in every thread.

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by Burnt Pancakes
Seriously. Boris is such a little troll. He says the same damned thing in every thread.

So does JesusIsAlive, but he has not been banned yet.

Boris
Originally posted by Burnt Pancakes
Seriously. Boris is such a little troll. He says the same damned thing in every thread.

I agree with you completely.

Burnt Pancakes
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
So does JesusIsAlive, but he has not been banned yet.

At least he puts the effort into his BS so that it is more then a sentence long.

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Punkyhermy
Originally posted by lord xyz


Simply, why did God create sinners?

every religion will give you its own answer.

ADarksideJedi
He does not send anyone to hell.It is the person's choice to go to heaven or hell.If the person is without sin or live there life following God you are most likly going to heaven.
If they are sinful or do stuff that are inmoral then they would go to hell.It is your soul that goes to those places not the body.JM

Boris
So, what is this so called immoral stuff that one can do to get a one way ticket straight to Hell?

Hell sounds more fun than Heaven.

ADarksideJedi
Actly hell is pretty bad.Imortal stuff.Do you read the bible?In it said alot of stuff that is imoral.Having sex outside of marriage is an imoral sin and so watching porn and so on.I could go on.But I can't think of all of it at this moment.
Search your soul it will tell you if something you are doing is right or wrong.The little voice in your head says so.jm

inimalist
the little voice in my head loves porn

ADarksideJedi
Well that is nice I guess.Got to get to bed.night.jm

Boris
So watching porn = going to hell? AHAHAHAHA!!

Couple of million lost there.

office jesus
Originally posted by Boris
So watching porn = going to hell? AHAHAHAHA!!

Couple of million lost there.

Couple of million? Don't you mean three quarters of the planet? laughing out loud laughing out loud

ADarksideJedi
Does people have to watch porn?No it is self control.Most know it is a sin But does it anyway.We do have free will to do what we want.We just need to know how to control our urges.jm

Bardock42
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Does people have to watch porn?No it is self control.Most know it is a sin But does it anyway.We do have free will to do what we want.We just need to know how to control our urges.jm

But why is it bad to watch porn?

Goddess Kali
Originally posted by Bardock42
But why is it bad to watch porn?


I'm going to Hell then roll eyes (sarcastic)



(As if i weren't already on a path there ne way)

ADarksideJedi
Read the bible and findout for yourself.jm

inimalist
wait a second...

The bible has passages about watching pornography?

I understand the prevalence of eroticism in early human civilization, but I think that may be a little presumptuous of you. Does the bible mention pornography by name? or is it just the anti-sex wing of the church you are imitating?

Goddess Kali
The 11th Commandment:



"Thou shalt not watch pornography"





Do your research dummy !

inimalist
Damn, foiled by the bible yet again!!

CURSE YOU JESUS, I'LL GET YOU IF ITS THE LAST THING I DO!

Boris
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
The 11th Commandment:



"Thou shalt not watch pornography"





Do your research dummy !

Hahaha! That will be in the updated version, 2007.

ADarksideJedi
Originally posted by inimalist
wait a second...

The bible has passages about watching pornography?

I understand the prevalence of eroticism in early human civilization, but I think that may be a little presumptuous of you. Does the bible mention pornography by name? or is it just the anti-sex wing of the church you are imitating?

You know that it does not say it by name.But it does have a page where it does say it is a sin. If you know your bible Goddess you would know that it says nothing in the ten commands about porn but I guess yu should do more on your reseach before answearing anything.jm roll eyes (sarcastic)

Goddess Kali
Originally posted by Boris
Hahaha! That will be in the updated version, 2007.


You didn't recieve the New Edition of the Bible ?


It's been printed everywhere !


12th Commandment:


"Thou shalt not be Gay or Lesbian"



13th Commandment:



"Thou shalt not be Buddhist"



14th Commandment:



"Thou shalt vote Republican"



15th Commandment"



"Thou shalt not have Abortions, Vote for Gay Marriage, use birth control, or have any fun at all"

inimalist
I had no idea

I just know that the concept of pornography as a thing is attached to the industry, and aside from erotic literature (which would have a lot of trouble being successful in a time when most people were illiterate) or drawings, there was probably no formalized "pornography" so to speak of.

What does it say about porn? Honestly, I don't know the bible. At the very least it should paint a better picture of how the common man got off 2 thousand years ago.

ADarksideJedi
It is ok if you don 't know the bible or never read it.But watching porn is infact a mortal sin.That is all I am saying.Got to go.jm

inimalist
ok, my question is why?

what is the biblical reference, or is it just a modern sort of adopted belief?

Marko
Originally posted by lord xyz
If God created me, and is all knowing, IE knew what I would believe, why did he create me in the first place? Does he love seeing people go to hell? That's not very loving is it? Or is there something else to it like the devil making us sinners. After all, he made Adam sin, and we are descendants of Adam. But lets not over think this too soon.

Simply, why did God create sinners?

I don't believe God knows what paths we will choose, or else he wouldn't have given us free will. Our lives are always subject to change by the actions which we choose (right or wrong). God doesn't create us to go to hell. He creates us with the hope that we will choose his path to eternal life, however we can deter from this path at anytime without Gods control.

inimalist
Originally posted by Marko
I don't believe God knows what paths we will choose, or else he wouldn't have given us free will. Our lives are always subject to change by the actions which we choose (right or wrong). God doesn't create us to go to hell. He creates us with the hope that we will choose his path to eternal life, however we can deter from this path at anytime without Gods control.

however, if god is all knowing then how can he not know the paths we will choose?

Marko
Originally posted by inimalist
however, if god is all knowing then how can he not know the paths we will choose?

I don't think he does. I think he creates us with initiative, logic, reason free will, hope, dismay, anger etc and I think he knows all the possible routes that we could take in our lives, but the route that we choose depends on our own decisions. I think he hopes us to make the best of what he has given us.

inimalist
Originally posted by Marko
I don't think he does. I think he creates us with initiative, logic, reason free will, hope, dismay, anger etc and I think he knows all the possible routes that we could take in our lives, but the route that we choose depends on our own decisions. I think he hopes us to make the best of what he has given us.

fair enough

that just seems to fly in the face of the 3 O god that is always mentioned when non-religious folk talk about religion

its good you have a much more rational view of the issue

Marko
Originally posted by inimalist
fair enough

that just seems to fly in the face of the 3 O god that is always mentioned when non-religious folk talk about religion

its good you have a much more rational view of the issue Yea lol. I want to believe that what we read in the bible is not the drect word of God, and is more "word of mouth" as it were. I mean seeing as I am bisexual and have no control over the feelings I have for people I believe God created me this way. But I don't want to believe that he wants be to deny myself the homosexual feelings just so I can have an eternal life in heaven and not go to hell.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Burnt Pancakes
At least he puts the effort into his BS so that it is more then a sentence long.

no expression That's spam.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
He does not send anyone to hell.It is the person's choice to go to heaven or hell.If the person is without sin or live there life following God you are most likly going to heaven.
If they are sinful or do stuff that are inmoral then they would go to hell.It is your soul that goes to those places not the body.JM But God is all knowing, so he knows whether we will go to hell.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Does people have to watch porn?No it is self control.Most know it is a sin But does it anyway.We do have free will to do what we want.We just need to know how to control our urges.jm You mean do what the church says.

The most funny thing about that is that I thought up 11 12 and 15 aswell, and I made them 11 12 15! laughing out loud

Boris
So Hell has porn and Heaven doesn't..... hmmm... tough choice... haha.

Heaven has 40 virgins.... Hell has 70 strippers.... huzzah!

Burnt Pancakes
Originally posted by lord xyz
That's spam.


That's spam.

office jesus
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
"Thou shalt vote Republican"


Hahahaha.

lord xyz
The strange is, the only people who vote republican are religious, poor suckers in the central and southern states. It's them being poor and stupid that makes the Republicans win, and what makes America rich.

Nellinator
Originally posted by lord xyz
The strange is, the only people who vote republican are religious, poor suckers in the central and southern states. It's them being poor and stupid that makes the Republicans win, and what makes America rich. That is definitely not true. The wealthy actually support the Republicans because of the tax breaks and whatnot that the Republicans advocate.

chithappens
God is omniscient and can not be punished. God wants entertainment.

That was my logic @ 14.

inimalist
Originally posted by Marko
Yea lol. I want to believe that what we read in the bible is not the drect word of God, and is more "word of mouth" as it were. I mean seeing as I am bisexual and have no control over the feelings I have for people I believe God created me this way. But I don't want to believe that he wants be to deny myself the homosexual feelings just so I can have an eternal life in heaven and not go to hell.

thats badass

do you think there are a lot of self identifying homosexual or bisexual religious people around? What is your take on the anti-gay Christian propaganda?

Bardock42
I would like to hear, JIA's, Nellinator's and Machello's view on the porngraphy issue.

leonheartmm
Originally posted by Marko
I don't believe God knows what paths we will choose, or else he wouldn't have given us free will. Our lives are always subject to change by the actions which we choose (right or wrong). God doesn't create us to go to hell. He creates us with the hope that we will choose his path to eternal life, however we can deter from this path at anytime without Gods control.

if he does not know what path we choose form then he is not omniscient, as omniscience means knowing ALL, and thats a defining trait of god in almost all major relegiond{islam., christianity, judaism} also the basis of being god, ALL POWERFUL, or omnipotence requires that you have the power to see all and not let anything go without u knowing which means that if he doesnt know then he is not ALL POWERFUL. those are the basic arguments specially for a christian god. the main fact is the omnipotene/omniscience can not exist side to side with free will, so if u believe in an all powerful god u certainly have to believe in there being no free will.

Nellinator
Originally posted by Bardock42
I would like to hear, JIA's, Nellinator's and Machello's view on the porngraphy issue. What about it?

Bardock42
Originally posted by Nellinator
What about it? A sin? And why? And how?

Nellinator
A sin?
Yes, it is lust.

Why?
Because people fall into temptation because we are naturally sinful.

How?
The internet, movies, magazines, etc.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Nellinator
A sin?
Yes, it is lust.

Why?
Because people fall into temptation because we are naturally sinful.

How?
The internet, movies, magazines, etc.

I am not sure about the deadly sins. How did that come about? Are they stated in the bible?

lord xyz
Originally posted by Nellinator
That is definitely not true. The wealthy actually support the Republicans because of the tax breaks and whatnot that the Republicans advocate. A bit of both. Then again, the states that show up Republican are usually Louisiana, Georgia, Utah, Colorado etc. but the ones who show up Democratic are Massachusetts, Maine, California etc.

Marko
Originally posted by leonheartmm
if he does not know what path we choose form then he is not omniscient, as omniscience means knowing ALL, and thats a defining trait of god in almost all major relegiond{islam., christianity, judaism} also the basis of being god, ALL POWERFUL, or omnipotence requires that you have the power to see all and not let anything go without u knowing which means that if he doesnt know then he is not ALL POWERFUL. those are the basic arguments specially for a christian god. the main fact is the omnipotene/omniscience can not exist side to side with free will, so if u believe in an all powerful god u certainly have to believe in there being no free will. I hear that, But it all depends on your interpretation of the word, and hot literal you take the teachings. Originally posted by inimalist
thats badass

do you think there are a lot of self identifying homosexual or bisexual religious people around? What is your take on the anti-gay Christian propaganda?
I dunno, I like to think there are a few. I also hope that I can stay religious.

Oh and I think each to there own. If God has created us all equal then why should we judge others?

ADarksideJedi
Originally posted by Nellinator
A sin?
Yes, it is lust.

Why?
Because people fall into temptation because we are naturally sinful.

How?
The internet, movies, magazines, etc.

Good points!JM smile

chithappens
Originally posted by lord xyz
The strange is, the only people who vote republican are religious, poor suckers in the central and southern states. It's them being poor and stupid that makes the Republicans win, and what makes America rich.

HAHAHAHAHA, those are not even the ones people streotype.

ADarksideJedi
Night.jm

JesusIsAlive
Originally posted by Bardock42
I would like to hear, JIA's, Nellinator's and Machello's view on the porngraphy issue.

The Bible teaches that pornography is sinful because it encourages sexual lust outside of marriage.

ADarksideJedi
That too.Where do you find that in the bible that says that?I should know but can't think of it right now!jm

Council#13
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
That too.Where do you find that in the bible that says that?I should know but can't think of it right now!jm

It's one of the Ten Commandments. Thou shall not commit adultery.

Alliance
laughing Guess JM needs to revist her "Bible"

Goddess Kali
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The Bible teaches that pornography is sinful because it encourages sexual lust outside of marriage.



But I love Pornography and I love Sex outside of Marriage even more ! dd



Hmm...let me see....which would I rather digest ?


1) A nice Bible reading


2) Hot porn





You do the math.... erm

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
But I love Pornography and I love Sex outside of Marriage even more ! dd



Hmm...let me see....which would I rather digest ?


1) A nice Bible reading


2) Hot porn





You do the math.... erm

What if you were married to a porn star, would that brake the rule? laughing out loud

Goddess Kali
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What if you were married to a porn star, would that brake the rule? laughing out loud


I don't wanna get married erm

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
I don't wanna get married erm

The question of a general question. wink

Nellinator
Originally posted by Bardock42
I am not sure about the deadly sins. How did that come about? Are they stated in the bible?
They are all stated somewhere in the Bible, never, the exact list, usually there are more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadly_sins
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Virtues

Apparently it comes from an epic poem written by Aurelius Clemens Prudentius (c. 410).

BobbyD
Originally posted by lord xyz
If God created me, and is all knowing, IE knew what I would believe, why did he create me in the first place? Does he love seeing people go to hell? That's not very loving is it? Or is there something else to it like the devil making us sinners. After all, he made Adam sin, and we are descendants of Adam. But lets not over think this too soon.

Simply, why did God create sinners?
My personal belief is that he did not make any of us sinners, but instead gave us free will to determine our outcomes. wink

ADarksideJedi
That is what I just said!jm

Alliance
And its logically impossible!!!!1

JesusIsAlive
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/destined.php

Alliance
Congratulations, you fail again.

On a personal note, I like how even the website creator puts the word apologetics in the URL. To bad at least he knows he's being an idiot.

Oh, and that trashy website proves nothing except you're not the only idiot...whcih we already knew.

BackFire
Free will blah blah blah.

debbiejo
Well free Will is truly a gift. It's what makes us little creators of own lives. Too bad some religions put a price tag on it using it for hells sake (literally). Free Will has it's own affects of cause and effect. It's just a tool for learning and growing.

the Darkone
God created man to serve him and to have fellow ship with, and we have a choice not too, but it comes at price. Hell was created for Satan and the fallen angels, God doesn't send man to hell we send ourselves there, he is trying to prevent us from going there. If you keep on the way you are living watching porn,strippers, drug dealing anything sinful that's where you will end up by your own choosing.

Hell is not a fun place, you are isolated and alone you are in torment for all eternity, rejecting Jesus Christ and his love will come back on you. Then you will be thrown into the lake of fire with Satan, the beast, false prophet,fallen angles and every person that has done evil and didn't repent of there sins, you will stay there for all eternity. and there is no peace.

lord xyz
Originally posted by BobbyD
My personal belief is that he did not make any of us sinners, but instead gave us free will to determine our outcomes. wink But the Bible states we are born sinners.

Alliance
tabula rasa

...not exactly relevant, but a more accurate view.

ADarksideJedi
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What if you were married to a porn star, would that brake the rule? laughing out loud

You can't help who you love if it is a porn star that is not going to send you to hell.But we can control our needs for stuff like porn and other stuff.jm smile

Boris
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
You can't help who you love if it is a porn star that is not going to send you to hell.But we can control our needs for stuff like porn and other stuff.jm smile

Why would anyone want to control that need. The need to have sex is one of the most powerful instincts we have, we're animals and need to reproduce.

Alliance
You're only animals if you act like one.

ADarksideJedi
Originally posted by debbiejo
Well free Will is truly a gift. It's what makes us little creators of own lives. Too bad some religions put a price tag on it using it for hells sake (literally). Free Will has it's own affects of cause and effect. It's just a tool for learning and growing.

It is for learning and growing and learning from our mistake.jm smile

Alliance
You don't make mistakes, your God makes them.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Alliance
You're only animals if you act like one.

There is a difference between being the human animal and living in the world of Animality, or as you call it, acting like an animal.

Alliance
Hence my distinction between identical terms used to describe physical, emotional behaviors and biological categorization.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Alliance
Hence my distinction between identical terms used to describe physical, emotional behaviors and biological categorization.

Hey! you actuarially understood what I was saying. eek! I've been talking to JIA far too long. laughing

Goddess Kali
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is a difference between being the human animal and living in the world of Animality, or as you call it, acting like an animal.


Interestingly enough, not all animals live in the world of Anamality.


They are all forced to, in terms of survival and self preservation, but they need not to. Many animals risk thier own lives for thier peers or children.

Domestic animals (primarily dogs) also risk thier own lives to protect thier owners, household, and beloved ones.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Interestingly enough, not all animals live in the world of Anamality.


They are all forced to, in terms of survival and self preservation, but they need not to. Many animals risk thier own lives for thier peers or children.

Domestic animals (primarily dogs) also risk thier own lives to protect thier owners, household, and beloved ones.

Yes, you are correct. I was trying to keep it simple. You know who I was talking too. laughing

Goddess Kali
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes, you are correct. I was trying to keep it simple. You know who I was talking too. laughing


Yes i know who, but im franky quite tired of talking simple to simple minded people

FeceMan
God wants YOU to go to hell.

lord xyz
Originally posted by FeceMan
God EVERYONE wants YOU to go to hell. Thought I'd make a little correction there. smile

debbiejo
Originally posted by FeceMan
God wants YOU to go to hell. No it doesn't. God likes me... happy

king leonidas
simply put, God created sinners because he can. without sinners life would be boring and uneventful. plus, everybody sins so there is no such thing as a sinless person.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by king leonidas
simply put, God created sinners because he can. without sinners life would be boring and uneventful. plus, everybody sins so there is no such thing as a sinless person.

So, why not just kill everyone?

Schecter
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
14th Commandment:



"Thou shalt vote Republican"



15th Commandment"



"Thou shalt not have Abortions, Vote for Gay Marriage, use birth control, or have any fun at all"

redundancy

lord xyz
Originally posted by king leonidas
simply put, God created sinners because he can. without sinners life would be boring and uneventful. plus, everybody sins so there is no such thing as a sinless person. Your God is flawed.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by lord xyz
Your God is flawed.

Or imaginary.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Or imaginary. Well, flawed suggests imaginary.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by king leonidas
simply put, God created sinners because he can. without sinners life would be boring and uneventful. plus, everybody sins so there is no such thing as a sinless person.

God would be sent to hell under his own laws.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
God would be sent to hell under his own laws.

He is above his own law. confused However, he doesn't seem to be above having a sex. laughing out loud

Goddess Kali
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
He is above his own law. confused However, he doesn't seem to be above having a sex. laughing out loud


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