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Cassandra Nova

vs.

Martian Manhunter


who wins this??

Originally posted by Madvillain
Cassandra Nova

vs.

Martian Manhunter


who wins this??

cn

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Cassandra Nova tore through the Shi'ar imperial guards without breaking a sweat.

CN.

MM went through the JLA. MM.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
MM went through the JLA. MM.

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Originally posted by llagrok
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Originally posted by llagrok
Cassandra Nova tore through the Shi'ar imperial guards without breaking a sweat.

CN.
Vulcan has killed about 80 percent of them of the Shi'ar imperial guard.

Originally posted by Estacado
Vulcan has killed about 80 percent of them of the Shi'ar imperial guard.

He wasn't able to beat Gladiator. CN made him wet himself.

that she did.

what can she possibly do to him. He's high enough telepathy wise that she wouldn't even have an effect on him.

well she could match Xavier on cerebra, at close range.

So...MM has easily scanned the world before while being infected by Fernus who was trying to hinder him.

Originally posted by Madvillain
well she could match Xavier on cerebra, at close range.

Not just match him, but actually take over his mind. Well she was going to, but he pulled out a gun. You also need to keep her insane healing abilities in mind, healing a broken neck in mere seconds.

So...MM reconstituted himself from a hand...

Originally posted by Superherovandal
So...MM has easily scanned the world before while being infected by Fernus who was trying to hinder him.

She killed 16 million mutants and most of the Shi'ar empire.

Yeah...16 million with sentinels. MM nearly caused the world to go into nuclear holocaust when he was Fernus. He was easily manipulating thousands of people to kill JLA relatives. MM held b the Hindu god of creation in slumber against the will of every Hindu on Earth, penetrated the Spectre's consciousness, the overmind of Angels in heaven,etc.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Yeah...16 million with sentinels. MM nearly caused the world to go into nuclear holocaust when he was Fernus. He was easily manipulating thousands of people to kill JLA relatives. MM held b the Hindu god of creation in slumber against the will of every Hindu on Earth, penetrated the Spectre's consciousness, the overmind of Angels in heaven,etc.

Shi'ar mind shields stopped Jean, yet CN didn't have any problems getting past them. CN is far above Xavier's level and I assume she's stronger than Jonn as well.

Could she pull him into the astral plane and just finish him off there, or possess his body like she did to Charles?

Originally posted by llagrok
Shi'ar mind shields stopped Jean, yet CN didn't have any problems getting past them. CN is far above Xavier's level and I assume she's stronger than Jonn as well.

That's a pretty hefty assumption...

Originally posted by Soljer
That's a pretty hefty assumption...

J'onn's not THAT much stronger than Xavier.

did you just see the feats i just listed. He does that all without any help from a machine. He quite a bit stronger than Xavier.

CN annihilates him telepathically, she is stronger then Xavier has ever been.

CN won't do anything to MM.

Originally posted by llagrok
J'onn's not THAT much stronger than Xavier.

Yeah....

He kinda is.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
CN won't do anything to MM.

Shred his mind?

Originally posted by Soljer
Yeah....

He kinda is.

No, no he's not.

Nope...MM is far too powerful for crap like that.

Originally posted by llagrok
No, no he's not.
Yeah he is.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Yeah he is.

Try to guess what I'm going to say now.

oh no he didnt?

He's shown to do stuff Xavier does with Cerebra on a regular basis.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Nope...MM is far too powerful for crap like that.

No he isn't he entered Black Adams mind and it was too much for him. Shadow King has feats similar to MM's TP ones and Nova is more powerful then the Shadow King.

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. It's been done, the general consensus is that Jonn is like Xavier on crack with the mind gem. .

That was plot induced stupity. He's penetrated Spectre's mind no problem. Who do you think has a more powerful mind? BA or Spectre?

Originally posted by Superherovandal
That was plot induced stupity. He's penetrated Spectre's mind no problem. Who do you think has a more powerful mind? BA or Spectre?

It wasn't the power of BA's mind that messed him up it was the rage, MM has a problem handling intense emotions. CN's mind would be too much for him to take.

Originally posted by Starhawk
It wasn't the power of BA's mind that messed him up it was the rage, MM has a problem handling intense emotions. CN's mind would be too much for him to take.

even a demented Zatanna's mind was too much for him to take.

and that's also bull. He can handle the resistance of every hindu's reverence on the planet for their god's but he can't handle BA.

He could handle the Overmind of Heaven. However from time to time he jobs like many heroes.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
and that's also bull. He can handle the resistance of every hindu's reverence on the planet for their god's but he can't handle BA.

yeah thats right.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
and that's also bull. He can handle the resistance of every hindu's reverence on the planet for their god's but he can't handle BA.

There's a difference between getting past resistance and handling the mind of someone who enjoys watching people rape their loved ones.

Originally posted by Soljer
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no the fact is DC has many times made MM into a jobber. But he's shown to handle the best out there. If he can touch the mind of everyone on the planet (theres gotta be millions of people with thought just as bad if not worse than BA) he should have no problem with BA. however MM is know notoriously for getting the short end of the stick especially during crossovers.

Originally posted by llagrok
There's a difference between getting past resistance and handling the mind of someone who enjoys watching people rape their loved ones.
He easily enough pierced Joker's mind. and BA is sadistic but certainly he is not that evil. You obviously have no knowledge of him.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
He easily enough pierced Joker's mind. and BA is sadistic but certainly he is not that evil. You obviously have no knowledge of him.

He only entered the small part of Jokers mind that was normal, he didn't have to face the Joker's insanity full on.

No he went into Joker's mind. and at what point did he say he was only facing a small part of Joker's mind. and all things considered i'd rather face BA's mind than enter Joker's mind anyday. Joker is 100X more evil.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
No he went into Joker's mind. and at what point did he say he was only facing a small part of Joker's mind. and all things considered i'd rather face BA's mind than enter Joker's mind anyday. Joker is 100X more evil.

Because the Justice League was with him and they only saw the normal side of Joker's mind.

First he faced the insanity then the normal part. Thats how it went.

No the other part was hell. This is the issue with HJ Spectre correct?

No that was part of Joker's mind. That was showing that in the insanity and demons of Joker's mind there was a ray of purity.

I have the issue right in front of me, do you have a scanner?

No...but i remember the issue well. Why the heck would he go to hell when they were in the astral plane?

It was part of the whole Day of Judgement wrap up.

i know but that was Joker's mind. Batman asks MM why he exposed them to Joker's mind. Spectre wonders why they're taken to THIS hell. He has no idea where they are. Not the hell. This shows its not Hell.

It is a level of hell and the reason he's not familiar with it was because he was new to being the spectre.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
He easily enough pierced Joker's mind. and BA is sadistic but certainly he is not that evil. You obviously have no knowledge of him.

Black Adam doesn't exactly fall under the sadistic category. He's just very extreme, but completely different from Cassandra Nova. She wanted to make every mutant kill each-other in the most horrible way possible, the things in her mind isn't comparable to the things one would see inside the Joker's or Black Adam's head.

Besides that, I think that J'onn might be too strong for CN to handle. Since neither will be able to defeat the other by using telepathy, I assume J'onn's wide array of powers and abilities will be too much.

Though, Gladiator wasn't even able to scratch CN and the telepathic resistance he sported then was amazing.

Yeah but he's no MM. I never said MM would dominate CN telepathically. I said that he'd be far too strong for her to do anything to him and then he'd just kill her.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Yeah but he's no MM. I never said MM would dominate CN telepathically. I said that he'd be far too strong for her to do anything to him and then he'd just kill her.

You're completely overestimating his telepathy. CN was far stronger than Xavier when he was using cerebra.

Originally posted by llagrok
You're completely overestimating his telepathy. CN was far stronger than Xavier when he was using cerebra.

As is the Manhunter.

So...I think your overestimating her telepathy if you think she'll beat MM with it.

Shadow King has feats similar to MM's TP ones and Nova is more powerful then the Shadow King.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
So...I think your overestimating her telepathy if you think she'll beat MM with it.

I think you need to read my posts.

I wasn't saying that at all, I was saying that there is no way that J'onn is 100 times more powerful than Xavier.

I never said a specific number. I just said he is. Xavier would need Cerebra to even accomplish some of the feats MM has.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
I never said a specific number. I just said he is. Xavier would need Cerebra to even accomplish some of the feats MM has.

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Originally posted by Superherovandal
I never said a specific number. I just said he is. Xavier would need Cerebra to even hope to accomplish some of the feats MM has.

You've found the quote button, congratulations.

We haven't seen Xavier fully exhausting himself while using Cerebra, we don't know what he is capable of doing with that machine. We just know that he could kill every single person in the world, easily.

I'm sorry my computer messed okay i just said that.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Shadow King has feats similar to MM's TP ones and Nova is more powerful then the Shadow King.

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When has she shown to be better than the Shadow King in the first place? That proves nothing.

Originally posted by Starhawk
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Guys? I think that proves it.

It should.

Also, If Xavier can do whatever he wants to anyone when using Cerebra, how can J'onn be more powerful than that? Why wouldn't J'onn use his telepathy more? If he's so very capable, then why didn't he save all those millions during 52 with some fancy telepathic shizzle?

Originally posted by Superherovandal
When has she shown to be better than the Shadow King in the first place? That proves nothing.

Okay let me explain,

C Nova is stronger then Xavier
Xavier is stronger then Shadow King
Shadow King is equal to MM.

For the sake of the story...Using that logic why didn't Xavier save a whole bunch of people during his lifetime.

Since when is Shadow King equal to MM. and since when has Xavier shown any sign that he's stronger than MM. That's your opinion pure and simple. Don't use that crap logic.

gotta jet.see y'all later.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Since when is Shadow King equal to MM. and since when has Xavier shown any sign that he's stronger than MM. That's your opinion pure and simple. Don't use that crap logic.

It's not crap just because you say it is. Shadow King once controlled 99% of the minds on Earth at once. That is a feat on par with anything MM has done telepathicaly. Xavier is a stronger TP then Shadow King and C Nova is stronger then Xavier. Thats not hard to follow.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
I never said a specific number. I just said he is. Xavier would need Cerebra to even accomplish some of the feats MM has.

The only reason why Xavier can't scan the entire earth at once, is because Magneto basically handicapped him years ago.

He messed with the poles, and it's like a limiter on his range, due to the way Xaviers telepathy works.

Hence him needing Cerebro to simulate the earths untouched shape.

It's like saying that J'onn is faster than Xavier because he can reach the finishline faster, but not mentioning that Xavier has a ten pound brace on each ankle.

Before he was handicapped, he was scanning beyond Earth, and talking to Lilandra iirc.

J'onn isn't>Xavier by any means.

Originally posted by UniOmni
The only reason why Xavier can't scan the entire earth at once, is because Magneto basically handicapped him years ago.

He messed with the poles, and it's like a limiter on his range, due to the way Xaviers telepathy works.

Hence him needing Cerebro to simulate the earths untouched shape.

It's like saying that J'onn is faster than Xavier because he can reach the finishline faster, but not mentioning that Xavier has a ten pound brace on each ankle.

Before he was handicapped, he was scanning beyond Earth, and talking to Lilandra iirc.

J'onn isn't>Xavier by any means.

Have you ever wondered how many Xmen writers actually take that into consideration?

I haven't wondered.

But it hasn't been rectified in a canon comic yet, so i'll continue to believe it stands.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I haven't wondered.

But it hasn't been rectified in a canon comic yet, so i'll continue to believe it stands.

I realize that but still . . . ermm

Originally posted by UniOmni
The only reason why Xavier can't scan the entire earth at once, is because Magneto basically handicapped him years ago.

He messed with the poles, and it's like a limiter on his range, due to the way Xaviers telepathy works.

Hence him needing Cerebro to simulate the earths untouched shape.

It's like saying that J'onn is faster than Xavier because he can reach the finishline faster, but not mentioning that Xavier has a ten pound brace on each ankle.

Before he was handicapped, he was scanning beyond Earth, and talking to Lilandra iirc.

J'onn isn't>Xavier by any means.

Wow, I honestly didn't know that. This has to be the first time in quite a while someone has told me anything about Xavier that I didn't know.

Anyways, CN has to be around 11 times stronger than Xavier, since she was stronger than him when he was using Cerebra.

Originally posted by UniOmni
The only reason why Xavier can't scan the entire earth at once, is because Magneto basically handicapped him years ago.

He messed with the poles, and it's like a limiter on his range, due to the way Xaviers telepathy works.

Hence him needing Cerebro to simulate the earths untouched shape.

It's like saying that J'onn is faster than Xavier because he can reach the finishline faster, but not mentioning that Xavier has a ten pound brace on each ankle.

Before he was handicapped, he was scanning beyond Earth, and talking to Lilandra iirc.

J'onn isn't>Xavier by any means.

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yeah and im pretty sure he was contacting lilandra from space in the phoenix arc.

Won't matter.

People are convince J'onn is superior to Xavier, even tho there's a reason he can't long range scan like he used to.

The scan'll be forgotten, and it'll be J'onn>>Xavier all over again.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Won't matter.

People are convince J'onn is superior to Xavier, even tho there's a reason he can't long range scan like he used to.

The scan'll be forgotten, and it'll be J'onn>>Xavier all over again.

However, even if J'onn was stronger than Xavier, he wouldn't be stronger than CN. Cassandra Nova was just insane.

John Jonzz loses

Cassandra

Two high end telepaths taking each other on. I favor the Alien for its assortment of extra abilities, to back up telepathy.

Originally posted by id369
Two high end telepaths taking each other on. I favor the Alien for its assortment of extra abilities, to back up telepathy.

you made the most sense whole thread.... clapping clapping clapping clapping

Cassandra also has a ton of extra abilities. Not as many, but not that far.

The OP never said this was a Telepathic fight to begin with..

So considering who the better telepath is is up for question,then This fight goes to Jonn.Considering they can use everything they have.

if CN is a stronger telepath then Xavier then why is it stated so many times that Xavier is the strongest telepath on earth?

Whats stopping MM from speedblitzing ugly butt?

Originally posted by Superherovandal
He can handle the resistance of every hindu's reverence blah blah blah

You read way too much into that one throwaway panel.

Cassandra for the win.