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Can any sub-skyfather being defeat Superman at the core of the Sun?

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Originally posted by masterbruce
Can any sub-skyfather being defeat Superman at the core of the Sun?



This is like that street leveler vs Hulk thread IMO.

Can't SS stand in the sun with him and absorb it's power?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Can't SS stand in the sun with him and absorb it's power?

SS will melt into a puddle of liquid inside the sun.

Originally posted by masterbruce
SS will melt into a puddle of liquid inside the sun.

I really doubt that.

Originally posted by masterbruce
SS will melt into a puddle of liquid inside the sun.

Really? Cuz you know....Ive seen him fly through one like it wasnt there ermmnone

Originally posted by masterbruce
SS will melt into a puddle of liquid inside the sun.

No way. In Infinity Crusade, he willingly flew into a star to absorb it's energy.

So would Superman's Heat vision have any effect on SS?

Originally posted by masterbruce
Can any sub-skyfather being defeat Superman at the core of the Sun?

Black Panther will put an "unbreakable' armlock on him...

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Black Panther will put an "unbreakable' armlock on him...

BP would melt inside the sun

Originally posted by masterbruce
SS will melt into a puddle of liquid inside the sun.

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_134p05.jpg

Nah.

Originally posted by masterbruce
BP would melt inside the sun

Black Panther would put an armlock on the sun too...


dur

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Black Panther would put an armlock on the sun too...

Isn't that how he trains?

I wonder....

Obviously, Superman getting the Sundip would amp him up to CONSIDERABLE levels.

However, if the Surfer IMMEDIATELY absorbed the entire sun, he would also be amped to considerable levels...

.

Originally posted by Soljer


However, if the Surfer IMMEDIATELY absorbed the entire sun, he would also be amped to considerable levels...

.

Surfer CANNOT absorb the entire sun...he's nowhere near THAT POWERFUL.

Originally posted by masterbruce
So would Superman's Heat vision have any effect on SS?

Originally posted by masterbruce
Surfer CANNOT absorb the entire sun...he's nowhere near THAT POWERFUL.
Actually he already has before.

Originally posted by Soljer
I wonder....

Obviously, Superman getting the Sundip would amp him up to CONSIDERABLE levels.

However, if the Surfer IMMEDIATELY absorbed the entire sun, he would also be amped to considerable levels...

.

Would he even get the chance?

Surfer is stupid powerful but he is also a moron with his powers, even more than Supes.

Originally posted by masterbruce
SS will melt into a puddle of liquid inside the sun. Originally posted by masterbruce
Surfer CANNOT absorb the entire sun...he's nowhere near THAT POWERFUL.
nutnutmuch?

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Black Panther will put an "unbreakable' armlock on him...

Man, Wakanda's whole economy must be based in selling videos that teach that damn arm lock. Panther and Storm are the perfect couple. (They will have a son named Ian and their names together will spell PIS)

Originally posted by Bentley
Man, Wakanda's whole economy must be based in selling videos that teach that damn arm lock. Panther and Storm are the perfect couple. (They will have a son named Ian and their names together will spell PIS)

Originally posted by masterbruce
Surfer CANNOT absorb the entire sun...he's nowhere near THAT POWERFUL.

As noted, he's done it before.

Why won't people just look inside the Silver Surfer respect thread?

Originally posted by Faceman
Why won't people just look inside the Silver Surfer respect thread?

Good Afternoon SS is powerful, but his showing versus BP wasn't too good.

Originally posted by Faceman
Why won't people just look inside the Silver Surfer respect thread?
Reading is a difficult thing.....

Warhulk would trash him

Originally posted by guy222
Good Afternoon SS is powerful, but his showing versus BP wasn't too good. Its called a low showing, for purposes of debate we don't use them..

Especially one as low at that one. Its worth traveling to the past to murder the writer's parents or something.

Originally posted by Bentley
Especially one as low at that one. Its worth traveling to the past to murder the writer's parents or something.

angrymob BURN REGGIE HUDLIN!

Surfer would basically murder Superman within the Sun.
Surfer absorbed the blummin OAN battery thingummy!
(saw the scan, never read the crossover, but how far off can I possibly be eh?)

Hulk might just punch out the Sun (it's not impossible, just blummin' irritating).

Strange could do some magic trick or other, I'm sure .

anyone who can destabilise Superman's solar-energy collecting cells could effectively poison him, as per the S1M thingummy.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
angrymob BURN REGGIE HUDLIN!

Originally posted by Faceman
Its called a low showing, for purposes of debate we don't use them..

In what issue did Surfer absorb a Sun?


That does sound a bit beyond his capacity, unless there was plot device,

but I'll believe it if I see it.


Issue #s please.




When Surfer tried to absorb the essence of a Single Planet, he failed and nearly died:

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4168/s1ju9.th.jpg

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/9279/s2ad6.th.jpg

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/6100/s3rx4.th.jpg

Originally posted by Bentley
Especially one as low at that one. Its worth traveling to the past to murder the writer's parents or something.
come on, isn't the brick worse than Black Panther?

Cosmic being < brick versus Cosmic being < X-men type hero?

Originally posted by Faceman
Its called a low showing, for purposes of debate we don't use them..

same thing goes for Storm

Originally posted by 2damnloud
same thing goes for Storm
nah, Storm isn't that low a showing for Surfer.
he was holding back 'cos she's hot .

I guess Silver Surfer and Sentry are the only charcaters I can think of.

Originally posted by Mr Master
In what issue did Surfer absorb a Sun?


That does sound a bit beyond his capacity, unless there was plot device,

but I'll believe it if I see it.


Issue #s please.




When Surfer tried to absorb the essence of a Single Planet, he failed and nearly died:

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4168/s1ju9.th.jpg

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/9279/s2ad6.th.jpg

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/6100/s3rx4.th.jpg
It was Ego.

Ego>>>>Sun.

Composite Superman steps in and kicks Kents punk ass clean out of the sun.

Originally posted by Estacado


Ego>>>>Sun.

Based on what?

Originally posted by masterbruce
Based on what?
based on EGO gives galactus a hard time in fights.

Originally posted by grey fox
Composite Superman steps in and kicks Kents punk ass clean out of the sun.
Umm, cosign.

surfer and galactus can

Galactus might be. But when Supes was only sundipped he easily moved a planet in Our Worlds at war...

Originally posted by Estacado
It was Ego.

Ego>>>>Sun.

Silver Surfer alone stalemated Ego on his own Planet.

SS at the end owned Ego by forcing his propulsion unit to drive them into a Sun,

that was still growing. (not fully developed)

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6145/s1un9.th.jpg

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/959/s2lk9.th.jpg

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Sun>>>Ego

Originally posted by Priest
based on EGO gives galactus a hard time in fights.

I have to disagree,

he's only given hungry Galactus a hard time, never a Normal Galactus.

Normal (Fed) Galactus owned Ego effortlessly.

Originally posted by Mr Master


Sun>>>Ego

agreed

Originally posted by Estacado
It was Ego.

Ego>>>>Sun.

Well lets look at Ego's feats.

Hogged by Thor.

Hogged by Beta Ray Bill.

Hogged by Surfer etc.

Originally posted by Priest
based on EGO gives galactus a hard time in fights.

Ego didn't do much but fend off a hungry Galactus. All he did is stand by as Thor nearly killed Galactus, and then he himself was defeated.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I have to disagree,

he's only given hungry Galactus a hard time, never a Normal Galactus.

Normal (Fed) Galactus owned Ego effortlessly.

Adam Warlock could do it

is the challangue to simply get superman out of the sun...?

then i would realy suggest that the current nova could easily charge ino superman and knock him out.

the sentrey is allways going to the sun and dumping his rubbish trash in there i am sure he could give supers a run for his money stalemate at the very least.

Originally posted by Bentley
Surfer is stupid powerful but he is also a moron with his powers, even more than Supes.

Barring PIS, Superman is the guy that uses his powers to their best. You should check out his respect thread to see all the insane stuff he pulls off with smart uses of his powers.

How will Sentry be able to standup to a constantly getting amped Supes?

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
How will Sentry be able to standup to a constantly getting amped Supes?

Very good question.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Can any sub-skyfather being defeat Superman at the core of the Sun?


yes, the Silver Surfer.

Nope...in the heart of the sun...Any damage he takes would be instantly healed. He'd be getting stronger, faster, more impervious with each moment.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Surfer CANNOT absorb the entire sun...he's nowhere near THAT POWERFUL.
I mean the man only surfed the crunch....

Nah, Superman can only absorb the sun up to a point, before his cells start to burst, and eventually kill him.

Not really. He's been shown to stay in there for thousands of years in DC 1million.

Originally posted by Madvillain
Nah, Superman can only absorb the sun up to a point, before his cells start to burst, and eventually kill him.

That's only All Star...and even that is questionable since there is a Superman Prime in his continuity....

Originally posted by Madvillain
Nah, Superman can only absorb the sun up to a point, before his cells start to burst, and eventually kill him.

Wrong.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
That's only All Star...and even that is questionable since there is a Superman Prime in his continuity....

No that's supposely what happened to Supes and that's why he became All-Star so it's like a future stuff in a different way.

Galactus

All-star Superman is not the same as mainstream Superman. Different universes.

Yeah, I thought so..but I remember someone claiming it was present DC continuity, when they were defending Superman.


Anyway, Surfer accelerates the growth of the Sun till it becomes a Red Giant, then just kills him off afterwards.

Originally posted by King KAM
I mean the man only surfed the crunch....
he was dying as a result of that feat.
though it's awesome how much punishment he could take from T&A before pulling off such a feat... phenomenal durability that.


still Surfer would be easily capable of dismantling Superman within the sun. worst comes to it, he could implode the sun, stick a blackhole in there and suck Superman out of it. he could collapse the sun around them both and all the while be draining Superman's energies and firing them back at him, destabilising his body.

he could do what he did to Firelord, overcharge him rapidly by playing dumb and weak and waiting for Superman to amp up, at which point he releases a condensed burst of yellow sun energy.

he could convert the sun's energies on the fly and simply poison Superman. he could amp himself up indefinitely and trade blows for a while (before he just simply put an end to proceedings) ...

Originally posted by janus77
he was dying as a result of that feat.
though it's awesome how much punishment he could take from T&A before pulling off such a feat... phenomenal durability that.


still Surfer would be easily capable of dismantling Superman within the sun. worst comes to it, he could implode the sun, stick a blackhole in there and suck Superman out of it. he could collapse the sun around them both and all the while be draining Superman's energies and firing them back at him, destabilising his body.

he could do what he did to Firelord, overcharge him rapidly by playing dumb and weak and waiting for Superman to amp up, at which point he releases a condensed burst of yellow sun energy.

he could convert the sun's energies on the fly and simply poison Superman. he could amp himself up indefinitely and trade blows for a while (before he just simply put an end to proceedings) ...

Ok fine. Who besides the Surfer?

Originally posted by Rewmac
No that's supposely what happened to Supes and that's why he became All-Star so it's like a future stuff in a different way.

????

Originally posted by Soljer
I wonder....

Obviously, Superman getting the Sundip would amp him up to CONSIDERABLE levels.

However, if the Surfer IMMEDIATELY absorbed the entire sun, he would also be amped to considerable levels...

.

Yeah SS would be a walking sun, Supes pretty much absorbs SS's energy.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Yeah SS would be a walking sun, Supes pretty much absorbs SS's energy.

nah, it's the other way round.

All it takes is a super-armlock and the fight's over.

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I wonder if a smart, determined GL could do it?

Originally posted by Board Walker
Yeah SS would be a walking sun, Supes pretty much absorbs SS's energy.

The Surfer can kind of control energy. .

He needn't emit it lest he cares to, and I'd like to think Norrin's smart enough to to go firing yellow sun radiation all over the place. He could always convert it to cosmic energy, red sun radiation or something else, however...

Originally posted by illadelph12
I wonder if a smart, determined GL could do it?
Me too.

Hal Jordan also, and Quasar with armor.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I wonder if a smart, determined GL could do it?

The GL will have to think smart and fast enough to pull anything off before he is obliterated by Supes.

fire lord
surfer dude
galactus

cosmic spidey
nova

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
The GL will have to think smart and fast enough to pull anything off before he is obliterated by Supes.

Cosigned.

Superman can punch through willpower as is. The Green Lantern would have to be at his utmost potential.

Cosmic Spidey, Firelord & Nova won't cut it. They lose to regular Supes. SunDipped Supes fighting in the sun's core will destroy them.


Originally posted by masterbruce:Who can beat Superman inside the Sun's Core?!

Can any sub-skyfather being defeat Superman at the core of the Sun?

Galactus is above sky-father, so he doesn't count.

cosmic spidey would rape regular supes, and nova should to...in fact most heralds should be able to beat him by exploiting any of his weaknesses and draining the solar energy from him.

Originally posted by Madvillain
cosmic spidey would rape regular supes, and nova should to...in fact most heralds should be able to beat him by exploiting any of his weaknesses and draining the solar energy from him.

Because that's definitely worked the last three hundred times it was tried. .

Originally posted by Soljer
Because that's definitely worked the last three hundred times it was tried. .

heralds would do it though..thats for sure.

Originally posted by Madvillain
heralds would do it though..thats for sure.

Because their powers are somehow different when compared to the last three hundred people's?

Oh, my bad, I forgot, they can utilize the Power Marvel!

Originally posted by Soljer

Oh, my bad, I forgot, they can utilize the Power Marvel!

thats right.

Quasar
http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/0/03/Quasar_001.jpg

Phoenix
http://www.conceptart.org/gallery/files/2/7/2/1/5/Dark-Phoenix.jpg

Phoenix II
http://www.motoko.it/images/morpheus/rachel_by_davis.jpg

Mr. M
http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/8/8f/Misterm_01.JPG

Dawrin (I think after an extended battle)
http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/a/a4/Darwin_armandomunoz_01.JPG

Thanos
http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/c/cf/Thanos_002.gif

Originally posted by Starhawk
Elemental Firestorm
Phoenix
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Galactus
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Phoenix is on my list too, any one of these guys would swat supes.

all those guys are above herald level.

This must be a special "downgrading" sun.

Some of the characters here that supposedly have a chance are laughable.

silver surfer definately wins though.

Originally posted by Madvillain
all those guys are above herald level.

Yeah, if you make it herald level then your giving supes an unfair advantage.

oh yeah, Genis would also win.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Can any sub-skyfather being defeat Superman at the core of the Sun?

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/2000/1807/49875-superman_400.jpg

SNITSKY

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
This must be a special "downgrading" sun.

Some of the characters here that supposedly have a chance are laughable.

Elemental Firestorm
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I hope your not referring to my list.

Originally posted by Madvillain
silver surfer definately wins though.

Definitely?

That's a BIG maybe...

Originally posted by Starhawk
Elemental Firestorm
Phoenix
Avatar Starhawk
Galactus
Ion
Tyrant

I hope your not referring to my list.

Your list missed the point of this topic.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Can any sub-skyfather being defeat Superman at the core of the Sun?

At upper levels those guys are all far above sub-skyfather.

How would they fight in the middle of the sun? Supes could probably see the Surfer through all that solar haze...but can Surfer see Supes' coming?

The Phoenix pic is...hotter than the sun itself...

Hot Phoenix for the win.

droolio

i think if written correctly Homer Simpson stands a good chance.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
How would they fight in the middle of the sun? Supes could probably see the Surfer through all that solar haze...but can Surfer see Supes' coming?

Yes.

Darwin vs Superman would be great, merely because he'd simply keep evolving into a more powerful being as the fight lasted.

By the end of the fight, he'd be an above the top tier for sure.

And i didn't see much from Elemental Firestorm that tells me he's beyond subskyfather level.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
This must be a special "downgrading" sun.

Some of the characters here that supposedly have a chance are laughable.

most of the heroes I picked all have done simular feats allready .(I know my spelling is bad)

Quasar has went into the sun to fix it (it was damaged when the Kree Nega bomb went off )

Phoenix 1&2 ... well we all know about them , next .

Mr. M can basicly do whatever the hell he wants (he's like Beyonder light)

after surviving on the sun and adapting to it, and after fighting Superman in it, I belive he could elvolve into somthing too much for Supes to handle.

Thanos well ... he's Thanos ! He wold dogwalk Superman in a thousand diffrent ways.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
How would they fight in the middle of the sun? Supes could probably see the Surfer through all that solar haze...but can Surfer see Supes' coming?

you really don't know much about the Surfer do you ?

Originally posted by complexbrother
you really don't know much about the Surfer do you ?


Honestly, no...that's why I asked

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Honestly, no...that's why I asked



Props to you for being honest and not getting all pissy like most posters do when challenged. Very mature.

Originally posted by complexbrother
most of the heroes I picked all have done simular feats allready .(I know my spelling is bad)

Quasar has went into the sun to fix it (it was damaged when the Kree Nega bomb went off )

Quasar get's stomped.

Originally posted by complexbrother
Phoenix 1&2 ... well we all know about them , next .

We know Phoenix can get KO'd. The human shell is the problem there.

Originally posted by complexbrother
Mr. M can basicly do whatever the hell he wants (he's like Beyonder light)

after surviving on the sun and adapting to it, and after fighting Superman in it, I belive he could elvolve into somthing too much for Supes to handle.

This is better. A quick KO changes things though.

Originally posted by complexbrother
Thanos well ... he's Thanos ! He wold dogwalk Superman in a thousand diffrent ways.

Terrible reasoning.

"He's Superman...he wins!" I'll just burn all my comics and say this from now on.

Originally posted by Soljer


Props to you for being honest and not getting all pissy like most posters do when challenged. Very mature.

thanks soljer....well, there is no point in getting pissy anyway...it's not what these forums are about. I admit that I don't know as much about a lot of these characters as many posters do...I don't go out buying comic books of every character...just the one's I really care about...and Surfer was never a comic I read..lol

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Your list missed the point of this topic.



At upper levels those guys are all far above sub-skyfather.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Yeah, if you make it herald level then your giving supes an unfair advantage.

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Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
1.Quasar get's stomped.



2.We know Phoenix can get KO'd. The human shell is the problem there.



3.This is better. A quick KO changes things though.



4.Terrible reasoning.

"He's Superman...he wins!" I'll just burn all my comics and say this from now on.

1 Quasar has fought a won aginst some of hte most powerful in the Marvel U. with the intellegent use of his shields, energy manip powers (just like Green Lantern's) and power absorbing.. err power, he could put a flexible shield around Supes (so he couldn't punch his way out) and keep him from absorbing power anew,and take the yellow radation from him

2. Phoenix has multiple showings that she/they can take someoine of Supes calibur out .

3. After the intinal blow Darwin elvolves into somthing much more. (he's like Doomsday on horse steriods, or Goku from DBZ, the more he fights the stronger he becomes)

4. Ok let's say .. thanos could decapitate Supes, or he could turn Supes into jello, or could dismantle Supes powers (by changing Clarks DNA into a baseline human's) and let hif fry to a crisp, or he could teleport Supes into a giant red sun, or he could mysticaly go back in time to blow up Supes planet of birth b4 his grandparents were even born, or he could change hte sun's energy to make it posinous to the Kryptionan, ... I could go on .

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Honestly, no...that's why I asked

ok here goes ...

Powers
The Silver Surfer wields "the power cosmic", absorbing and manipulating the universe's ambient cosmic energies. He can augment his strength to incalculable levels, and is almost totally indestructible. He can navigate space, hyperspace and dimensional barriers, and can fly at near-limitless speeds on his board, entering hyperspace when he exceeds light speed. He has even proven capable of time travel on occasion. The Surfer does not require food, drink, air or sleep, sustained entirely by converting matter into energy. He is immune to temperature extremes and radiation, and can survive in vacuum environments such as outer space and hyperspace. He can analyze and manipulate matter and energy, and restructure or animate matter at will, even transmuting elements. He can heal living beings (though he cannot raise the dead), and has proven capable of revitalizing or evolving organic life on a planet wide scale. He can alter the size of himself or of other matter, cast illusions, fire energy blasts, form and manipulate energy constructs, manipulate gravity, absorb and discharge most forms of energy, and phase through solid matter. His senses enable him to detect objects and energies light years away, and to perceive matter and energy in subatomic detail; he can even see through time, and with concentration can achieve limited perception of past and future events in his general vicinity. The Surfer has demonstrated limited telepathic ability on occasion, and has proven able to influence human emotion and sensation.
Abilities
Unrevealed
Weapons

Paraphernalia
The Surfer's board is composed of the same impervious, cosmic-powered silvery material as its master's skin, and is mentally linked to the Surfer; it moves in response to his thoughts, even when he is not in physical contact with it. The board is almost totally indestructible, but on those rare occasions where it has been damaged or destroyed, the Surfer has been able to repair or even re-create it. The Surfer can attack opponents remotely by directing the board against them, and the board is capable of absorbing and imprisoning other beings, at least temporarily.

Originally posted by complexbrother
1 Quasar has fought a won aginst some of hte most powerful in the Marvel U. with the intellegent use of his shields, energy manip powers (just like Green Lantern's) and power absorbing.. err power, he could put a flexible shield around Supes (so he couldn't punch his way out) and keep him from absorbing power anew,and take the yellow radation from him

Sundipped Supes was going through Brainiac/Imperiex powered based tendrils and shields with no problem. Nobody else in the universe was able to dent these outside of Entropy Aegis Steel.

Quasar isn't on the same playing field.

Originally posted by complexbrother
2. Phoenix has multiple showings that she/they can take someoine of Supes calibur out .

And standard Supes has showing showing he can take someone of Phoenix's power out.

She has trouble with xmen for god's sake.

At full potential, yea, she can take out Clark though.

Originally posted by complexbrother
3. After the intinal blow Darwin elvolves into somthing much more. (he's like Doomsday on horse steriods, or Goku from DBZ, the more he fights the stronger he becomes)

A ko is a ko. Supes will be rapidly evolving in the sun as well.

Originally posted by complexbrother
4. Ok let's say .. thanos could decapitate Supes, or he could turn Supes into jello, or could dismantle Supes powers (by changing Clarks DNA into a baseline human's) and let hif fry to a crisp, or he could teleport Supes into a giant red sun, or he could mysticaly go back in time to blow up Supes planet of birth b4 his grandparents were even born, or he could change hte sun's energy to make it posinous to the Kryptionan, ... I could go on .

Thanos hasn't even been shown to be in regular Superman's strength level and durability. Sun amped Supes wasn't shown to have any weaknesses. He took Entropy blasts like it was nothing.

Thanos is still Darkseid lite. He loses this in a stomp.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Darwin vs Superman would be great, merely because he'd simply keep evolving into a more powerful being as the fight lasted.

By the end of the fight, he'd be an above the top tier for sure.

And i didn't see much from Elemental Firestorm that tells me he's beyond subskyfather level.

Well he'd certainly have insane durability but has he ever adapted offensively?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Sundipped Supes was going through Brainiac/Imperiex powered based tendrils and shields with no problem. Nobody else in the universe was able to dent these outside of Entropy Aegis Steel.

Quasar isn't on the same playing field.



And standard Supes has showing showing he can take someone of Phoenix's power out.

She has trouble with xmen for god's sake.

At full potential, yea, she can take out Clark though.



A ko is a ko. Supes will be rapidly evolving in the sun as well.



Thanos hasn't even been shown to be in regular Superman's strength level and durability. Sun amped Supes wasn't shown to have any weaknesses. He took Entropy blasts like it was nothing.

Thanos is still Darkseid lite. He loses this in a stomp.

the trouble is I belive you are thinking of Supes high showings and my hero's low ones, Supes was beaten be a insane guy with a k'nite gun, a japaneese man with gravity and density manipulating powers, he has been one punched by Batman (with help..duh), Shazam, Mongol, Doomsday, Bizarro.

some of my hero's high feats were . Thanos won the ifinity gauntlet, (read how)

Thanos is never Darkseid light he has done what Darkseide only deams of doing.

Originally posted by complexbrother
the trouble is I belive you are thinking of Supes high showings and my hero's low ones, Supes was beaten be a insane guy with a k'nite gun, a japaneese man with gravity and density manipulating powers, he has been one punched by Batman (with help..duh), Shazam, Mongol, Doomsday, Bizarro.

some of my hero's high feats were . Thanos won the ifinity gauntlet, (read how)

Thanos is never Darkseid light he has done what Darkseide only deams of doing.

Thanos has lost to a chick in a squirrel outfit, was beaten by a tarzan ripoff, was killed recently by a guy who even the writer stated may not be able to beat wolverine, and the IG is an external power source that isn't in this unless specifically stated so.

Thanos has done nothing under his own power than competes with Darkseid.

And we aren't debating standard Superman...we're debating a ridiculously amped version of Superman.

Entropy blasts>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any unproven manipulation that Thanos may have had in the past.

The Kazaar loss was retconned iirc, and Drax was said to be the Silver Bullet to Thanos's werewolf.
He was created for the sole purpose of killing Thanos.

Is there any shame in Superman getting beaten by Kryptonite Man?



SquirrelGirl was canon, but Avy, you're reaching here.

Originally posted by UniOmni
The Kazaar loss was retconned iirc, and Drax was said to be the Silver Bullet to Thanos's werewolf.
He was created for the sole purpose of killing Thanos.

Is there any shame in Superman getting beaten by Kryptonite Man?



SquirrelGirl was canon, but Avy, you're reaching here.

So you agree that Thanos wins fights simply because he's Thanos?

It's one thing to debate Thanos vs standard Superman...but against the ridiculously amped version that is Sun amped Supes?

And by the way...Superman has done a lot better against his weaknesses for years than Thanos did against his.

The Thanos things was retconned into a clone... isn't a clone a copy of the original??

I'm not saying Thanos wins here.

I was just disputing the Kazaar incident, and laughing at you for trying to pass the SquirrelGirl incident as anything but comedy for comedies sake.

And Thanos has always beaten Drax down. This one showing was the outlier, and not the norm.

But the fact that the comic specifically reiterated that Drax is the silver Bullet to Thanos, doesn't make it as bad.

And if you wanna go down this road about cloning, doesn't that mean a Bataxe>> DD, since he was made by repeat cloning, and in S/B Batman and Amazons were taking out numerous clones(which are supposed to grow stronger from the base material)??

A Thanos clone isn't Thanos.

Originally posted by Soljer
The Surfer can kind of control energy. .

He needn't emit it lest he cares to, and I'd like to think Norrin's smart enough to to go firing yellow sun radiation all over the place. He could always convert it to cosmic energy, red sun radiation or something else, however...

Superman has shown that he is able to control energy, matter, and reality, you can't genuinely say he hasn't done these things on panel on a magnitude that overshadows anything SS has done in similar regard.

Superman also showed on panel that he is able to absorb more then just yellow solar radiation, he has absorbed other energy and then converted it to fuel himself.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Superman has shown that he is able to control energy, matter, and reality.

Unless you want play semantic games I'd really like to see some evidence of this.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Unless you want play semantic games I'd really like to see some evidence of this.

Superman warped reality when using T-vo against Dom.

Superman warped and manipulated matter on a grand scale when he completely changed the Super Sun eater.

Superman absorbed a myriad of energies and even absorbed faster then he was being drained by the (ah I dont remember the name of this enemy); he stated he was able to reabsorb energy from all around him from everything, faster then he could be drained.

^Think akin to the Sentry Vs Photon fight.

This is why i laugh at you

Originally posted by UniOmni
This is why i laugh at you

As if the laughing of a biased fanboy matters?

lol

Could anyone who can destroy/absorb/manipulate the sun win?

Originally posted by Mr Master
In what issue did Surfer absorb a Sun?


That does sound a bit beyond his capacity, unless there was plot device,

but I'll believe it if I see it.


Issue #s please.




When Surfer tried to absorb the essence of a Single Planet, he failed and nearly died:

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4168/s1ju9.th.jpg

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/9279/s2ad6.th.jpg

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/6100/s3rx4.th.jpg Absorbing a sentient and highly powerful cosmic entity that resists and fights back is different than absorbing a neutral energy source that doesn't fight back. Surfer has absorbed suns before, heralds like Nova have instantly and easily completely snuffed out suns as well. It's in the respect thread and unfortunately, there are no issue numbers. This isn't wikipedia.
Originally posted by Soljer
The Surfer can kind of control energy. .

He needn't emit it lest he cares to, and I'd like to think Norrin's smart enough to to go firing yellow sun radiation all over the place. He could always convert it to cosmic energy, red sun radiation or something else, however... Other than equally absorbing the yellow sun along with Superman or just sucking it out, he could: 1) Change the yellow-sun radiation into a different form of radiation; 2) create a field that prevents Superman from further absorbing radiation; and 3) just destroy the sun. All things perfectly within his capacity to do.

Someone mentioned Quasar. He's an iffy. One time, he fought Surfer head-on, but he was doing it by secretly leeching Surfer's own power without him knowing it. Maybe he could do the same to Superman. Then again, Quasar still lost the fight.

Ion
Firestorm
Captain Atom (he has control over radiation, right?)
particularly smart GL-type character

I can see a GL using a forcefield to refract the yellow sunlight, mess with its wavelength and make it red sun radiation. Any energy manipulator who could survive in the sun's core could possibly win.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Absorbing a sentient and highly powerful cosmic entity that resists and fights back is different than absorbing a neutral energy source that doesn't fight back. Surfer has absorbed suns before, heralds like Nova have instantly and easily completely snuffed out suns as well. It's in the respect thread and unfortunately, there are no issue numbers. This isn't wikipedia.
Other than equally absorbing the yellow sun along with Superman or just sucking it out, he could: 1) Change the yellow-sun radiation into a different form of radiation; 2) create a field that prevents Superman from further absorbing radiation; and 3) just destroy the sun. All things perfectly within his capacity to do.

Someone mentioned Quasar. He's an iffy. One time, he fought Surfer head-on, but he was doing it by secretly leeching Surfer's own power without him knowing it. Maybe he could do the same to Superman. Then again, Quasar still lost the fight.

Ion
Firestorm
Captain Atom (he has control over radiation, right?)
particularly smart GL-type character

I can see a GL using a forcefield to refract the yellow sunlight, mess with its wavelength and make it red sun radiation. Any energy manipulator who could survive in the sun's core could possibly win.

Draining superman isnt going to work, when he can absorb energy from all around him faster then he can be drained.

Its similar to when Photon tried to drain Sentry, and could not, sentry drained solar energy from every molecule of existence; which was infinite.

Originally posted by His Airness
Could anyone who can destroy/absorb/manipulate the sun win?

Originally posted by Board Walker
Draining superman isnt going to work, when he can absorb energy from all around him faster then he can be drained.

Its similar to when Photon tried to drain Sentry, and could not, sentry drained solar energy from every molecule of existence; which was infinite. Who says Surfer couldn't drain it faster than Superman could absorb it? Your baseless assumptions? K. If you think Photon is Surfer's equal in energy manipulation, you need to read some more comics.

Even given your baseless assumption, I still wouldn't agree with you since Surfer also has the ability to create a field which blocks the absorption of radiation. That's how he stopped the Hulk on one occasion.

Originally posted by His Airness
Could anyone who can destroy/absorb/manipulate the sun win?

Probably not. Superman still has his own reserves of energy.

With the sun gone he'll still be in an amped state for a while at least.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Probably not. Superman still has his own reserves of energy.

With the sun gone he'll still be in an amped state for a while at least.

Couldn't someone with the ability to absorb and redirect energy have Superman return to normal lv's?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Who says Surfer couldn't drain it faster than Superman could absorb it? Your baseless assumptions? K. If you think Photon is Surfer's equal in energy manipulation, you need to read some more comics.

Even given your baseless assumption, I still wouldn't agree with you since Surfer also has the ability to create a field which blocks the absorption of radiation. That's how he stopped the Hulk on one occasion.

Baseless assumptions? The feats I mentioned for superman happened on panel.

Your the one assuming SS can drain superman faster, when superman has shown he can counter it easily.

Your saying SS is going to prevent Superman from absorbing energy by placing a field around him?

What is that field made of? Cosmic energy, which is exactly what superman has shown to absorb.

Anyway I doubt that would work, as I have said before, superman has shown to be able to absorb a myriad of things from just the energy from the space around him.

Originally posted by His Airness
Couldn't someone with the ability to absorb and redirect energy have Superman return to normal lv's?

People have tried but Superman just "punches through his weakness".

It should work for a win but the person would need it on a high level and they would have to be able to react very rapidly to drain him.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Absorbing a sentient and highly powerful cosmic entity that resists and fights back is different than absorbing a neutral energy source that doesn't fight back.

Tell it to Quasar,

who succeeded where Silver Surfer failed:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4960/q1nj4.th.jpg

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3245/q2kl0.th.jpg


And yea,

the "sentient and highly powerful cosmic entity"


was STILL "resisting and fighting back"


Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Surfer has absorbed suns before, heralds like Nova have instantly and easily completely snuffed out suns as well. It's in the respect thread and unfortunately, there are no issue numbers.

In what issues?

Respect threads can be misleading, if a plot device was involved in a Feat,

one would never know unless they read the whole story.


Or even worse, a complete misinterpretation of the event.

eg. (Dr Strange stalemating the IG)

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
This isn't wikipedia.

dontgetit

Is Atum sub - skyfather?

Dark Pheonix can kill superman inside the sun's core, she will eat him and the star

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Dark Pheonix can kill superman inside the sun's core, she will eat him and the star

Dark phoenix is stronger then Imperiex?

Have you seen a sun dipped superman who was only in the sun for seconds?

Originally posted by UniOmni
I'm not saying Thanos wins here.

I was just disputing the Kazaar incident, and laughing at you for trying to pass the SquirrelGirl incident as anything but comedy for comedies sake.

And Thanos has always beaten Drax down. This one showing was the outlier, and not the norm.

But the fact that the comic specifically reiterated that Drax is the silver Bullet to Thanos, doesn't make it as bad.

And if you wanna go down this road about cloning, doesn't that mean a Bataxe>> DD, since he was made by repeat cloning, and in S/B Batman and Amazons were taking out numerous clones(which are supposed to grow stronger from the base material)??

A Thanos clone isn't Thanos.

Ummm...no.

If you want to go the S/B route...those were animates...not clones and even then they were stated to be imperfect.

Thanos clone, was a CLONE...and barring retcon, was originally Thanos. The DD "clones" weren't even close to the real thing...no retcon needed.

Once again my friend...you are showing your willingness to accept anything Marvel automatically, and nitpicking at anything DC.

And the squirrel girl things was funny... it was apparently Marvels way to tell you not to take the titan so seriously. He's overrated beyond believe as are many characters.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Dark phoenix is stronger then Imperiex?

Have you seen a sun dipped superman who was only in the sun for seconds?



Have you ever heard of Dark Pheonix ?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Have you ever heard of Dark Pheonix ?

I have, and what makes you believe she was greater then Imperiex?

Who a sun dipped superman defeated?

someones gotta take the sun out of the picture then drain superman of his powers i dont see anyone sub skyfather taking him out unless that happens..........but then again.........does magic figure into this equation?

imperiex was the end of all things wasnt he but phoenix is the beginning or something?

Originally posted by janus77
he was dying as a result of that feat.
though it's awesome how much punishment he could take from T&A before pulling off such a feat... phenomenal durability that.


still Surfer would be easily capable of dismantling Superman within the sun. worst comes to it, he could implode the sun, stick a blackhole in there and suck Superman out of it. he could collapse the sun around them both and all the while be draining Superman's energies and firing them back at him, destabilising his body.

he could do what he did to Firelord, overcharge him rapidly by playing dumb and weak and waiting for Superman to amp up, at which point he releases a condensed burst of yellow sun energy.

he could convert the sun's energies on the fly and simply poison Superman. he could amp himself up indefinitely and trade blows for a while (before he just simply put an end to proceedings) ...

Over charge superman with yellow sun energy, what superman?

Dr Fate
The Doctor
Zatanna
Imperiex
Jakeem Thunder
Mr Mxy
Martian Manhunter
Superboy Prime
Android Hourman
Firestrom
The Hat . ]

Originally posted by don't shiv
Dr Fate
The Doctor
Zatanna
Imperiex
Jakeem Thunder
Mr Mxy
Martian Manhunter
Superboy Prime
Android Hourman
Firestrom
The Hat . ]

Myx is above Skyfather
Jakeem would be dead before he had a chance to use Thunder's power

yeah jakeem is kinda stoopid like that.