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Who would win this?

Ab.

Originally posted by llagrok
Ab.

Good evening Merlyn ftw

AB

Ab

Originally posted by guy222
Good evening Merlyn ftw

Good morning, are you sure that Merlyn has what it takes?

I was just practicing my ABC but wasn't sure what comes after B

Merlyn- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merlyn_(Marvel_Comics)

Originally posted by llagrok
Good morning, are you sure that Merlyn has what it takes?

I was just practicing my ABC but wasn't sure what comes after B

Merylin is the Omniverse overseer, second to LT.

Originally posted by guy222


Grats on new sig, it looks great.

Originally posted by llagrok
Grats on new sig, it looks great.

Thank u Would u like a sig of your fav character

Originally posted by guy222
Thank u Would u like a sig of your fav character

I've been thinking a lot about it, but not sure which one I should get. Right now it's between Thor, Bullseye and Black Adam. They're all so cool

Originally posted by llagrok
I've been thinking a lot about it, but not sure which one I should get. Right now it's between Thor, Bullseye and Black Adam. They're all so cool

Cool. My friends do a great job

Originally posted by guy222
Cool. My friends do a great job

Who's your friend? And do you think he could do a bullseye sig?

Merlyn FTW.

Merlyn can erase any Concept from Reality.

Abraxas is a Concept.

Or Merlyn can take the sure route and Remake the Multiverse like Reed did.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Merlyn FTW.

Merlyn can erase any Concept from Reality.

Abraxas is a Concept.

Or Merlyn can take the sure route and Remake the Multiverse like Reed did.

You said "any" concept. I suppose you mean any being with lesser power. He couldn't erase the concept of the Living Tribunal, eh?

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
You said "any" concept. I suppose you mean any being with lesser power. He couldn't erase the concept of the Living Tribunal, eh? You regard LT as a concept?

he is an abstract almost all abstracts are a concept, he's judgement im guessing

IMO,

LT is above the concept........... of concepts...



(and LT isn't really an abstract either).

If Strange takes down Merlyn, then of course Abraxaas can do it.

he is an abstract he has m-bodys isnt that a sign of you being an m-body before this omniverse crap LT couldnt even kick korvac's butt

LT > Anyone

Abraxas can win but he needs to recharge his battery first.

http://www.spoiledmilk.org/livejournal/abraxas.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
Merlyn FTW.

Merlyn can erase any Concept from Reality.

Abraxas is a Concept.

Or Merlyn can take the sure route and Remake the Multiverse like Reed did.

When has Merlyn ever erased a concept from reality ecspecially the concept of destruction?

Anything to support that Merlyn can do that, remake a multiverse first destroy it (I am sure he can) and the remake it in every detail (doubt he can)

Originally posted by llagrok
LT > Anyone

Nearly

Originally posted by Mider999
he is an abstract he has m-bodys Is Galactus an abstract?

Because he uses m-bodies as well.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
You said "any" concept. I suppose you mean any being with lesser power. He couldn't erase the concept of the Living Tribunal, eh?

You probably don't know me.

But everyone knows that I know the LT is second only to TOAA.

When I say Merlyn can erase any Concept,

I mean anything upto Eternity, (the Multiverse)

Originally posted by Mr Master
You probably don't know me.

But everyone knows that I know the LT is second only to TOAA.

When I say Merlyn can erase any Concept,

I mean anything upto Eternity, (the Multiverse)

Stan lee > TOAA

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
If Strange takes down Merlyn, then of course Abraxaas can do it.

dontgetit

Originally posted by the Darkone
Merylin is the Omniverse overseer, second to LT.

Thats his role. In terms of power hes no biggie. When he had access to the multiversal dimensional interface he was a big player, thats no longer the case.

Abraxas for the win.

Originally posted by Mider999
before this omniverse crap LT couldnt even kick korvac's butt

Nah,

LT was only able to Rip Korvac's entire Universe off the Multiverse,

and then Seal it in an unpenetrable barrier,

trapping Korvac and everyone else in it.



LT Never attacked Korvac directly with his power.

LT made the Sun go Nova and used that as a weapon (PIS)

Then LT claimed he has delivered his ultimate punishment.

Then LT yanked the Universe and put it in a bubble with a gesture.


On top of all this nonsense,

Mistress Death actually stated she was Helping Korvac.



"The Eons-Old Stalemate between Eternity and ME has ENDED.
http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/903/61183432fs2.th.jpg
By MY MACHINATIONS, the UNIVERSE shall be MINE"



"DEATH--Korvac's Unbidden ALLY....
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/79/d2ec2.th.jpg
"DEATH--Korvac's UNWANTED MASTER"



The Domain of DEATH

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/8167/korv4ls5.th.jpg

Plus LT almost never attacks directly he usually preferes to command something on the doomed world to just vaporize itself, LT showed to Dr Strange what he would do to earth if Strange didn't fix the problem, the way his judgement should be served was by expanding the polar icecaps when he could just have blowed it to subatomic particles

Originally posted by Mr Master
You probably don't know me.

But everyone knows that I know the LT is second only to TOAA.

When I say Merlyn can erase any Concept,

I mean anything upto Eternity, (the Multiverse)

Eternitys a multiverse now is he? Thats funny considering what you said here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/449137_9-phoenix-force-vs-mad-jim-jaspers-fury-vs-pretcon-beyonder


Originally posted by Mr Master
616 has NEVER been and will NEVER be a Multiverse.



Now i could swear 616 goes by the name of Eternity?

If you want to refer to the true multiverse you mean Multi-Eternity right?

Either way, Merlyn (as could anyone with Otherworld technology the powerless Opal Luna Saturnyne for example)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4911350496.jpg

could indeed destroy universes just like that. Given that thats via technology does that mean that Merlyns a big multiversal player now? In role maybe not in inherent power im afraid. He no longer has access to the dimensional interface, Excalibur saw to that. He even backed down from fighting them in retaliation claiming that power would be too scarce from that point onwards.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/5/12113371636.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/5/12113371795.jpg

In light of that would you really have us believe this guy could take out Abraxas? Not buying it

Unless Merlyn is in Otherworld and has access to his various technologies then Abraxas certainly wins.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats his role. In terms of power hes no biggie. When he had access to the multiversal dimensional interface he was a big player, thats no longer the case.

Abraxas for the win.

Actually you're talking about the illusion

Merlyn cause Excalibur and Roma herself to believe.

The supposed destruction of Excalibur Tower took place in MAY 1992

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/973/excalibur050p03lt5.th.jpg




Here's the Interface alignment still intact in September 2005:


"Otherworld: One of the Primary Intersections of Reality,

from Here,

you can Access ANY Point along the Sidereal String that Ties Creation Together"

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6963/ma2mp9.th.jpg

Who Created Otherworld?

Merlyn did.







Also,


How is Otherworld being sustained if it was Created by Matrix empowered Merlyn?

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/773/m2sy6.th.jpg
"I Mastered the Energy Matrix and established Otherworld"





How does the Celestial Nullifier still have the Life-Force of every Universe in the Omniverse,

when it was Created by Merlyn?

(1998)

"This Crystal embodies the LifeForce of your Home Dimension"
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1056/r8fu4.th.jpg
"By breaking it, that Entire Portion of the Omniverse CEASES TO EXIST"



(OR 2005)

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4218/sc9vq6.th.jpg





How is Roma's Starlight Citidel (that contains UniverseS) still standing?

Also Created by Merlyn.

The Starlight Citidel has been the Watch Tower for some time now:

(2005)
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/639/r1gb2.th.jpg
"At the CENTER POINT of CREATION is the Starlight Citadel"


(1998)
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/7106/r2ef3.th.jpg

"from this venue,

the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"

Originally posted by llagrok
Stan lee > TOAA

I know Andy Schmidt. He's greater than the TOAA

isn't the matrix mystical in nature and inheret from the phoenix force ??? ore something like that.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Nearly

Living Tribunal works for TOAA Welcome back

.

edit

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Eternitys a multiverse now is he? Thats funny considering what you said here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/449137_9-phoenix-force-vs-mad-jim-jaspers-fury-vs-pretcon-beyonder

And I still stand by what I said in that Thread and in this one.

Eternity 616 has NEVER and will NEVER be a Multiverse.


Nice try on trying to confuse the onlookers.


Here's the lesson for today:



Every Eternity is part of Multi-Eternity as though they were ONE .

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4241/42179075ui3.th.jpg
"I am the Spirit of the Universe that once existed here.

I am an Aspect (a Universe) of .... ALL Eternity" (the Multiverse)





Now this is that same Eternity telling us One Universe is just a PART of His TOTALITY:


Wait a minute!

As in this Single Eternity/Universe is the Multiverse?





"Of the nigh-Infinite number of Aspects that comprise MY Totality,

I am the only Aspect to succumb to Death"
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/1092/d4hg3.th.jpg
"Eternity spoke of Infinite Universes beyond this"


Yes Dr Strange, as in OTHER Aspects.



Whatever ONE Reality/Eternity as in the 616 Universe experiences,

it's OBVIOUS, the TOTALITY of Eternity can FEEL/KNOW

those experiences too.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Now i could swear 616 goes by the name of Eternity?

If you want to refer to the true multiverse you mean Multi-Eternity right?

Incorrect,

Eternity in his Totality is the Multiverse.

Eternity in Fragments or Aspects of Himself, are Single Universe.

Like Eternity 616.


The term Multi-Eternity was only used ONCE in Marvel comicdom.

Forget about the Multi-Eternity, it's just an expression of Eternity in his Totality.

As I PROVED!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In light of that would you really have us believe this guy could take out Abraxas? Not buying it

I could care less what YOU buy GS, don't include yourself with the rest.

Know that now and always.

Originally posted by Utrigita
When has Merlyn ever erased a concept from reality ecspecially the concept of destruction?

Anything to support that Merlyn can do that, remake a multiverse first destroy it (I am sure he can) and the remake it in every detail (doubt he can)

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually you're talking about the illusion

Merlyn cause Excalibur and Roma herself to believe.

The supposed destruction of Excalibur Tower took place in MAY 1992

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/973/excalibur050p03lt5.th.jpg




That must be a repost of something you used on a previous poster, because i fail to see how that deals with anything ive presented. Nothing ive said is connected with this image of Necrom bluffing about what hes going to do if Rachel doesnt give him her portion of the Force.. Whats funny is none of your narration corresponds to whats actually going on in the scan as well.




Originally posted by Mr Master


How is Otherworld being sustained if it was Created by Matrix empowered Merlyn?

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/773/m2sy6.th.jpg
"I Mastered the Energy Matrix and established Otherworld"


Who told you that Otherworld needs a constant supply of energy from Merlyn to exist? Once again supposition.



Originally posted by Mr Master
How does the Celestial Nullifier still have the Life-Force of every Universe in the Omniverse,

when it was Created by Merlyn?

(1998)

"This Crystal embodies the LifeForce of your Home Dimension"
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1056/r8fu4.th.jpg
"By breaking it, that Entire Portion of the Omniverse CEASES TO EXIST"



(OR 2005)

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4218/sc9vq6.th.jpg


What do you mean? It was built by Merlyn to be connected with the life forces of each reality. Who told you in the first place that Merlyn needs to constantly feed it with power to enable it to function? Thats supposition on your part im afraid and your point is therefore irrelevant.



Originally posted by Mr Master
How is Roma's Starlight Citidel (that contains UniverseS) still standing?

Also Created by Merlyn.

The Starlight Citidel has been the Watch Tower for some time now:

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/639/r1gb2.th.jpg
"At the CENTER POINT of CREATION is the Starlight Citadel"


http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/7106/r2ef3.th.jpg

"from this venue,

the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"



The Matrix energy was used to create Otherworld and the Starlight citadel as stated. Merlyn no longer has the matrix energy so hyping up how great Otherworld is doesnt help you out in the slightest when it wasnt brought about by Merlyns inherent power, it isnt a place made possible by a standard Merlyn which unfortunately for your case is what we're dealing with here.

edit

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
That must be a repost of something you used on a previous poster, because i fail to see how that deals with anything ive presented. Nothing ive said is connected with this image of Necrom bluffing about what hes going to do if Rachel doesnt give him her portion of the Force.. Whats funny is none of your narration corresponds to whats actually going on in the scan as well.

Be thorough, this will prevent circles.


AGAIN:


Actually you're talking about the illusion

Merlyn cause Excalibur and Roma herself to believe.

The supposed destruction of Excalibur Tower took place in MAY 1992

(THE DATE)

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/973/excalibur050p03lt5.th.jpg




Here's the Interface alignment still intact in September 2005:


"Otherworld: One of the Primary Intersections of Reality,

from Here,

you can Access ANY Point along the Sidereal String that Ties Creation Together"

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6963/ma2mp9.th.jpg

Who Created Otherworld?

Merlyn did.



Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Who told you that Otherworld needs a constant supply of energy from Merlyn to exist? Once again supposition.

Interesting,

according to you without the Phoenix Force sustaining Reality, Reality would fall.

But Otherworld is special and Sustains itself, ey?

Oh wait, Phoenix sustains Otherworld right? shifty


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What do you mean? It was built by Merlyn to be connected with the life forces of each reality. Who told you in the first place that Merlyn needs to constantly feed it with power to enable it to function? Thats supposition on your part im afraid and your point is therefore irrelevant.

Again, it may be irrelevant to you, and that's meaningless to me.

Because Everything about anything I state and Post must be opposed by you,

this is no surprise.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Matrix energy was used to create Otherworld and the Starlight citadel as stated. Merlyn no longer has the matrix energy so hyping up how great Otherworld is doesnt help you out in the slightest when it wasnt brought about by Merlyns inherent power, it isnt a place made possible by a standard Merlyn which unfortunately for your case is what we're dealing with here.

I'm not going to debate this needlessly.

The Energy Matrix is STILL On and Kicking.


The Starlight Citidel has been the Watch Tower for some time now:

(2005)
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/639/r1gb2.th.jpg
"At the CENTER POINT of CREATION is the Starlight Citadel"


(1998)
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/7106/r2ef3.th.jpg

"from this venue,

the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"





Excalibur NEVER truly destroyed the Matrix,

Merlyn allowed them and Roma to believe that.

Originally posted by Mr Master
And I still stand by what I said in that Thread and in this one.

Eternity 616 has NEVER and will NEVER be a Multiverse.


Nice try on trying to confuse the onlookers.


Here's the lesson for today:



Every Eternity is part of Multi-Eternity as though they were ONE .

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4241/42179075ui3.th.jpg
"I am the Spirit of the Universe that once existed here.

I am an Aspect (a Universe) of .... ALL Eternity" (the Multiverse)





Now this is that same Eternity telling us One Universe is just a PART of His TOTALITY:


Wait a minute!

As in this Single Eternity/Universe is the Multiverse?





"Of the nigh-Infinite number of Aspects that comprise MY Totality,

I am the only Aspect to succumb to Death"
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/1092/d4hg3.th.jpg
"Eternity spoke of Infinite Universes beyond this"


Yes Dr Strange, as in OTHER Aspects.



Whatever ONE Reality/Eternity as in the 616 Universe experiences,

it's OBVIOUS, the TOTALITY of Eternity can FEEL/KNOW

those experiences too.




Incorrect,

Eternity in his Totality is the Multiverse.

Eternity in Fragments or Aspects of Himself, are Single Universe.

Like Eternity 616.


The term Multi-Eternity was only used ONCE in Marvel comicdom.

Forget about the Multi-Eternity, it's just an expression of Eternity in his Totality.

As I PROVED!



I could care less what YOU buy GS, don't include yourself with the rest.

Know that now and always.

Originally posted by Mr Master
And I still stand by what I said in that Thread and in this one.

Eternity 616 has NEVER and will NEVER be a Multiverse.


Nice try on trying to confuse the onlookers.


Here's the lesson for today:



Every Eternity is part of Multi-Eternity as though they were ONE .

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4241/42179075ui3.th.jpg
"I am the Spirit of the Universe that once existed here.

I am an Aspect (a Universe) of .... ALL Eternity" (the Multiverse)





Now this is that same Eternity telling us One Universe is just a PART of His TOTALITY:


Wait a minute!

As in this Single Eternity/Universe is the Multiverse?

You have argued that 616 Eternity was a pseudo multiverse when it has suited you. You are now trying to make out that references to an Eternity automatically refer to the entire multiverse. This is once again just so that in versus matches featuring Eternity you can refer to a multiverse as opposed to the universe Eternity officially is.

Some publications especially Dr Strange ones in the 80's occassionally used the reference Eternity, to refer the entire multiverse

Some publications have painted 616 Eternity as a pseudo multiverse in his own right because of the many dimensions (pocket or otherwise) he encompasses

Most publications throughout continuity along with the official bio use the reference Eternity to refer to the universal aspect.

There are no showings for a Multi-Eternity on panel, there are no bios.

Everytime Eternity is mentioned in a thread you cannot assume that you can start taking things multiversal. You cannot assume that a universal aspect can suddenly draw on all the power of the multiverse.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You have argued that 616 Eternity was a pseudo multiverse when it has suited you.

PROVE it you freakin LIAR.


I CHALLENGE YOU GS,

to PROVE I ever said 616 Eternity is a Multiverse!!!!


You wanna talk shit

well then put your money where your mouth is.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You are now trying to make out that references to an Eternity automatically refer to the entire multiverse. This is once again just so that in versus matches featuring Eternity you can refer to a multiverse as opposed to the universe Eternity officially is.

Some publications especially Dr Strange ones in the 80's occassionally used the reference Eternity, to refer the entire multiverse

Some publications have painted 616 Eternity as a pseudo multiverse in his own right because of the many dimensions (pocket or otherwise) he encompasses

Most publications throughout continuity along with the official bio use the reference Eternity to refer to the universal aspect.

There are no showings for a Multi-Eternity on panel, there are no bios.

Gibberish.


The Totality or ALL of Eternity is the Multiverse, period.

The Aspects of of Eternity are Universes, period.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Everytime Eternity is mentioned in a thread you cannot assume that you can start taking things multiversal. You cannot assume that a universal aspect can suddenly draw on all the power of the multiverse.

No one said that dukie,

are you even reading my Posts, are you so caught up in trying to prove me wrong,

you're not allowed to?

Does it anywhere says that the matrix is needed for the otherworld to exist ???

Originally posted by Mr Master
Continue to Repeat yourself,

you're not getting anywhere.

Stop posting Events that took place in 1992,





As long as the material from that time hasnt been shown to be wrong or that the specific things we're debating from that time have changed in status then it is still very much relevant.


Please show me a scan stating that Merlyn still wields the matrix power to this day or are you going to PRESUME that he still does just because the things he created with that power still exist?

Merlyn stated he could no longer gain power from the matrix, that statement has never been retracted or shown not to be the case on panel. SUPPOSITION does not make for a good argument.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Does it anywhere says that the matrix is needed for the otherworld to exist ???

It doesn't matter whether Otherworld exists or not.

The fact that the Interface alignment is still intact

Proves the Energy Matrix was never truly broken.


Merlyn's Official Marvel Bio states,

Merlyn "Intended" for Excalibur to destroy the Tower.

Why would he throw a fit afterwards if he INTENDED for that to happen?


To make Excalibur and Roma believe in what they had done.

Later on we learn the Starlight Citidel has become the Watch Tower.,

from which ALL Realities in the Omniverse are connected,

just like the Excalibur Watch Tower.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As long as the material from that time hasnt been shown to be wrong or that the specific things we're debating from that time have changed in status then it is still very much relevant.

Please show me a scan stating that Merlyn still wields the matrix power to this day or are you going to PRESUME that he still does just because the things he created with that power still exist?

Merlyn stated he could no longer gain power from the matrix, that statement has never been retracted or shown not to be the case on panel. SUPPOSITION does not make for a good argument.

"SUPPOSITION does not make for a good argument"


Neither does talking out of your ass,

but who's counting.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It doesn't matter whether Otherworld exists or not.

The fact that the Interface alignment is still intact

Proves the Energy Matrix was never truly broken.


Merlyn's Official Marvel Bio states,

Merlyn "Intended" for Excalibur to destroy the Tower.

Why would he throw a fit afterwards if he INTENDED for that to happen?


To make Excalibur and Roma believe in what they had done.

Later on we learn the Starlight Citidel has become the Watch Tower.,

from which ALL Realities in the Omniverse are connected,

just like the Excalibur Watch Tower.

Can you provid a scan CLEARLY illustrating that the citadel and so on needs the power of the matrix to function???

(It says here that the matrix is destroyed and nothing about Merlyn intending excalibur to destroy anything http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/merlinyn.htm)at the middel of the page I think ore is it under comments)

Originally posted by Mr Master
It doesn't matter whether Otherworld exists or not.

The fact that the Interface alignment is still intact

Proves the Energy Matrix was never truly broken.


Merlyn's Official Marvel Bio states,

Merlyn "Intended" for Excalibur to destroy the Tower.

Why would he throw a fit afterwards if he INTENDED for that to happen?


To make Excalibur and Roma believe in what they had done.

Later on we learn the Starlight Citidel has become the Watch Tower.,

from which ALL Realities in the Omniverse are connected,

just like the Excalibur Watch Tower.

No lying please.

The official bio states "PERHAPS as he intended" with regards to Excalibur destroying the tower. That isnt confirmation that Merlyn intended to destroy the tower. Thats speculation from a handbook writer, not a dictation of canon.

As far as we saw on panel, the matrix was rendered unusable, Merlyn claimed he wasnt able to use it anymore and he hasnt been shown to since. Unless you can come up with on panel evidence besides this supposition, evidence which actually states and demonstrates the contrary quite conclusively, then as ever you have nothing im afraid to inform you.

Better luck next time.

Thats enough for tonight, look forward to seeing some evidence tomorrow.

Nite nite!!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No lying please.

Only one LIAR around here,

should I Post the goods?


I'll let you slide.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The official bio states "PERHAPS as he intended" with regards to Excalibur destroying the tower. That isnt confirmation that Merlyn intended to destroy the tower. Thats speculation from a handbook writer, not a dictation of canon.

That's not speculation.

The Interface Alignment is still fully functional,

so it's quite obvious the Tower was NOT destroyed.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As far as we saw on panel, the matrix was rendered unusable, Merlyn claimed he wasnt able to use it anymore and he hasnt been shown to since. Unless you can come up with on panel evidence besides this supposition, evidence which actually states and demonstrates the contrary quite conclusively, then as ever you have nothing im afraid to inform you.

Better luck next time



AGAIN:


Continue to Repeat yourself,

you're not getting anywhere.

Stop posting Events that took place in 1992,




Again: (1998 and 2005)


The Starlight Citidel has been the Watch Tower for some time now:


http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/639/r1gb2.th.jpg
"At the CENTER POINT of CREATION is the Starlight Citadel"



http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/7106/r2ef3.th.jpg

"from this venue,

the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"




Excalibur NEVER truly destroyed the Matrix,

Merlyn allowed them and Roma to believe that.



swank


How the heck is the Tower still in effect,

if it was supposedly "destroyed?" hum

In Brian's and Meggan's wedding, (0ver 70 issues AFTER Excalibur #50)

Merlyn makes an appearance in disguised:

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8308/m1qr0.th.jpg
"You, Father, are like a Force of Nature"





The ONLY Event that Merlyn did not manipulate, was Excalibur's break up,

everything up to that point, has been Merlyn's doing.

And Roma thought even that was Manipulated, as their entire History has been:

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/8052/m2ol6.th.jpg

"Though the Swrod we two so Craftly Forged (Excalibur Group)

hath been Sheathed for now,

it may yet be drawn anew when the Time is right ... Someday"

Originally posted by Utrigita
Can you provid a scan CLEARLY illustrating that the citadel and so on needs the power of the matrix to function???

If the Otherworld's Citidel is still connected to every Universe in the Omniverse,

the Matrix was never broken.


I already posted the same scans about 5 times,

The "Citidel is the Centerpoint of ALL Creation"

From the Citidel Roma "can observe every Plane in the Omniverse"

The Starlight Citidel is what the Excalibur Tower used to be.

Originally posted by Utrigita
(It says here that the matrix is destroyed and nothing about Merlyn intending excalibur to destroy anything http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/merlinyn.htm)at the middel of the page I think ore is it under comments)

Proves nothing.

(excerpt from the Official Handbook bio - Merlyn)
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/9797/ma3av9.th.jpg

"Perhaps as Merlyn Intended"


"Perhaps"

Because it was never established On Panel how the Interface Alignment remained,

after the Tower was destroyed.


Obviously because Merlyn Manipulated the whole thing, he always has.

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/8052/m2ol6.th.jpg

This is literally almost 7 Years (late 1998) after Excalubur #50

(when the Tower was destroyed in 1992)

bump...i'm just enjoying the argument...lol

Still no evidence i see?

Just as expected.


Otherworld was built with the matrix power at a point where realities intersected, a point where all realities crossover. Think of it as being a crossroads of reality. How does highlighting this point over and over again tell me or anybody that the energy matrix established by Phoenix is still stabilised and accessible by Merlyn?

Where does it state anywhere on panel that the matrix has to be stabilised and accessible by Merlyn for Otherworld to exist?

Merlyn needed it stabilised and accessible so he could draw power from it to build Otherworld, but once that was done where exactly does it state a constant supply of matrix energy needed to be fed to Otherworld by Merlyn for it to exist?

Merlyn as i've shown says he could access the power no longer. He hasnt shown to be able to on panel ever since, therefore your argument that he still can based solely on the fact that things he created with the power are still around, is just assumption and really isnt good enough.

Show me scans stating that the Citadel or the C Nullifier require a constant feed of Matrix energy from Merlyn

Show me scans of Merlyn conclusively tapping into the matrix power and wielding it AFTER Excalibur #50

Otherwise youre presuming to be the top authority on Marvel comics cosmic law who dictates canon therefore you know for a fact that these Merlyn creations couldnt possibly be around if Merlyn couldnt wield the matrix energy and therefore Merlyn still wields it?

Is that really your argument?

So is this just a match of who can get in the last word, or what?

For the onlookers, because it's hopeless for the agenda minded.




Again: (1998 and 2005)


The Starlight Citidel has been the Watch Tower for some time now:


http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/639/r1gb2.th.jpg
"At the CENTER POINT of CREATION is the Starlight Citadel"



http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/7106/r2ef3.th.jpg

"from this venue,

the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"




Excalibur NEVER truly destroyed the Matrix,

Merlyn allowed them and Roma to believe that.



swank


How the heck is the Tower still in effect,

if it was supposedly "destroyed?" hum

Originally posted by Mr Master
For the onlookers, because it's hopeless for the agenda minded.




Again: (1998 and 2005)


The Starlight Citidel has been the Watch Tower for some time now:


http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/639/r1gb2.th.jpg
"At the CENTER POINT of CREATION is the Starlight Citadel"



http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/7106/r2ef3.th.jpg

"from this venue,

the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"




Excalibur NEVER truly destroyed the Matrix,

Merlyn allowed them and Roma to believe that.



swank


How the heck is the Tower still in effect,

if it was supposedly "destroyed?" hum

Please dont try and delude onlookers by trying to make out that the Starlight Citadel, that is Romas watchtower is one and the same as Excaliburs lighthouse that Meggan destroyed.

Come up with the goods as aforementioned or drop it

firefirefireph

Originally posted by Mr Master
firefirefireph

Smilies.

Theyre all you have left

I like to see that.

No replacement for a concrete argument backed by some scans unfortunately. 24 hours later im still waiting on you. Hurry up Emmie the suspense is toooo much!!!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Smilies.

Theyre all you have left

I like to see that.

No replacement for a concrete argument backed by some scans unfortunately. 24 hours later im still waiting on you. Hurry up Emmie the suspense is toooo much!!!

stfu2

Yes GS we know,

no one can do anything except for Phoenix.

You will always demean every other character in order to promote your Phoenix agenda.

You must be under the impression I'm the only one that notices this.

And im supposed to care about what you and your deluded harem think of me?

Why on earth would i do that when i can show you up like this?:

Originally posted by Mr Master
For the onlookers, because it's hopeless for the agenda minded.




Again: (1998 and 2005)


The Starlight Citidel has been the Watch Tower for some time now:


http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/639/r1gb2.th.jpg
"At the CENTER POINT of CREATION is the Starlight Citadel"



http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/7106/r2ef3.th.jpg

"from this venue,

the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"




Excalibur NEVER truly destroyed the Matrix,

Merlyn allowed them and Roma to believe that.



swank


How the heck is the Tower still in effect,

if it was supposedly "destroyed?" hum



Mr Master just tried to say the Starlight Citadel is the same thing as Excaliburs tower. He did so in an effort to win the argument, and he said this so he could say look here it shows the tower being destroyed but look a few years later the Starlight Citadel is still standing, so that means Merlyn was lying he still wields the matrix and im right. WRONG!!

They are NOT the same thing.

For one the towers are on Earth 616 and alternate Earths, within the multiverse. The Citadel is in Otherworld at its intersection.

The towers were sent and established across the multiverse by the Phoenix thereby stabilising the matrix obviously BEFORE Merlyn could then use that stabilized power to establish Otherworld and the Citadel:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/11/30621401412.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/11/30621401429.jpg

To top this off as i've shown previously the towers across the alternate Earths of the multiverse were destroyed by Excalibur and as you showed the Starlight Citadel, Romas omniversal watchtower still remains in OTHERWORLD to this day

And yet you would turn around and have us believe that they're the same thing?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And im supposed to care about what you and your deluded harem think of me?

Why on earth would i do that when i can show you up like this?:

Mr Master just tried to say the Starlight Citadel is the same thing as Excaliburs tower. He did so in an effort to win the argument, and he said this so he could say look here it shows the tower being destroyed but look a few years later the Starlight Citadel is still standing, so that means Merlyn was lying he still wields the matrix and im right. WRONG!!

They are NOT the same thing.

For one the towers are on Earth 616 and alternate Earths, within the multiverse. The Citadel is in Otherworld at its intersection.

The towers were sent and established across the multiverse by the Phoenix thereby stabilising the matrix obviously BEFORE Merlyn could then use that stabilized power to establish Otherworld and the Citadel:

To top this off as i've shown previously the towers across the alternate Earths of the multiverse were destroyed by Excalibur and as you showed the Starlight Citadel, Romas omniversal watchtower still remains in OTHERWORLD to this day

And yet you would turn around and have us believe that they're the same thing?

firefirefireph


This isn't going anywhere.

I made my point, I don't care what you force yourself to believe.

I'm done.

In Brian's and Meggan's wedding, (0ver 70 issues AFTER Excalibur #50)

Merlyn makes an appearance in disguised:

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8308/m1qr0.th.jpg
"You, Father, are like a Force of Nature"





The ONLY Event that Merlyn did not manipulate, was Excalibur's break up,

everything up to that point, has been Merlyn's doing.

And Roma thought even that was Manipulated, as their entire History has been:

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/8052/m2ol6.th.jpg

"Though the Swrod we two so Craftly Forged (Excalibur Group)

hath been Sheathed for now,

it may yet be drawn anew when the Time is right ... Someday"

(excerpt from the Official Handbook bio - Merlyn)
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/9797/ma3av9.th.jpg

The destruction of the Tower,

"Perhaps as Merlyn Intended"




"Perhaps"

Because it was never established On Panel how the Interface Alignment remained,

after the Tower was destroyed.


Obviously because Merlyn Manipulated the whole thing, he always has.

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/8052/m2ol6.th.jpg

This is literally almost 7 Years (late 1998) after Excalubur #50

(when the Tower was destroyed in 1992)






This is 2005



"From here, you can Access any point in Creation"

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/4431/ovq3.th.jpg


Sounds like the same thing the old Excalibur Tower was capable of. hm


How can that be the Tower was destroyed, wasn't it?

Handled previously, you've brought nothing new to the table.

I've just shot down your last ditch equalise the Citadel to the Lighthouse idea to flames.

You have yet to show us a scan showing that Merlyns creations require a constant supply of matrix energy from him to exist.

As such you cannot say that Merlyn must still wield the matrix power based solely on the fact that his creations are still around.

Please show us an on panel reference stating that that actually is the case. Help us to separate reality from deluded fantasy.

Enough for now.

Admirable attempt.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Handled previously, you've brought nothing new to the table.

I've just shot down your last ditch equalise the Citadel to the Lighthouse idea to flames.

You have yet to show us a scan showing that Merlyns creations require a constant supply of matrix energy from him to exist.

As such you cannot say that Merlyn must still wield the matrix power based solely on the fact that his creations are still around.

greennuts


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Please show us an on panel reference stating that that actually is the case. Help us to separate reality from deluded fantasy.

As deluded as the thought that Phoenix is the life force of Reality?

Not quite.

Points still stand im afraid. Diversion will get you nowhere.

Needs to questions answeared by the way.

1. When has Merlyn ever erased a concept from anything
2. Is the matrix mystical in nature

Originally posted by Mr Master




Excalibur NEVER truly destroyed the Matrix,

Merlyn allowed them and Roma to believe that.



swank


How the heck is the Tower still in effect,

if it was supposedly "destroyed?" hum

The matrix fading on panel before our eyes and Otherworld remaining intact as that happens. As i said, theres no evidence that Otherworld requires a constant source of Matrix energy from Merlyn to exist. In fact it doesnt need the matrix to be in existence at all.

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/6/16913412981.jpg

"The Matrix is no more"

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/6/16913412915.jpg

Cool

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The matrix fading on panel before our eyes and Otherworld remaining intact as that happens. As i said, theres no evidence that Otherworld requires a constant source of Matrix energy from Merlyn to exist. In fact it doesnt need the matrix to be in existence at all.

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/6/16913412981.jpg

"The Matrix is no more"

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/6/16913412915.jpg

Cool

Good scans



Merlyn FTW

You know just for fun and just because I want to. Why does everyone all say Merlin is so powerful when he was killed by a group of Fing Fang Foom's Dragon Kind

Originally posted by golem370
Merlyn- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merlyn_(Marvel_Comics)

Bro your link doesnt work, it leads to the Arthurian Merlin and not the one from marvel comics...for some reason.

Originally posted by Mr Master
(excerpt from the Official Handbook bio - Merlyn)
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/9797/ma3av9.th.jpg

The destruction of the Tower,

"Perhaps as Merlyn Intended"

a minor point as i don't know jack about merlyn, but as regards this point in particular -- it sounds like the way it was phrased was referring not to the question of whether the tower was destroyed or not, but rather it was referring to the question of whether or not merlyn had INTENTIONALLY destroyed said tower.