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Battle rages on one of Jupiter's moons.

Bloodlut on.

No prep.

All fighters wrriten at their best.

Who takes it?

team 2

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Battle rages on one of Jupiter's moons.

Bloodlut on.

No prep.

All fighters wrriten at their best.

Who takes it?

Team two

Runner.

Team 1. Mostly cause of Orion. and cause Runner sucks.

Team 1

Runner is quite disappointing, seconed.

Team 2

Tvo/PC/Astro force ftw.

Orion can beat anyone here for a majority. and Runner can't do jack to anyone on team 1.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Orion can beat anyone here for a majority. and Runner can't do jack to anyone on team 1.

I take it you have no idea who Runner is.

On the contrary, I do know. He's one of the most overrated people on KMC. people call him the marvel version of Flash, which is an insult to the Flash.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
On the contrary, I do know. He's one of the most overrated people on KMC. people call him the marvel version of Flash, which is an insult to the Flash. On the other hand... he completely disgraced Surfer.
It was like a pitbull fighting a baby.

Originally posted by His Airness
I take it you have no idea who Runner is. Yeah that's the dude who beat Surfer about 20 years ago.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
On the contrary, I do know. He's one of the most overrated people on KMC. people call him the marvel version of Flash, which is an insult to the Flash.

As I thought, you have no idea.

Not only did Runner make Surfer look like a complete fool in the speed department, but he was going to kill him.

On average Runner is much faster than Flash. Flash barely ever breaks light speed(the current only twice), Light speed is like sleeping to Runner.

Wasn't that runner/Surfer fight with the space gem?

You did not just claim Runner is faster than the Flash.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wasn't that runner/Surfer fight with the space gem?
Umm... no.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
On the other hand... he completely disgraced Surfer.
It was like a pitbull fighting a baby.

When he had the space gem, then he lost that.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wasn't that runner/Surfer fight with the space gem?

You did not just claim Runner is faster than the Flash.

Yes it was Runner with the space gem, it was later shown that he was using it subconsciously.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Umm... no. But it was about 20 years ago. 313

Runner has Power Primordial, he's an elder of the universe.

And because of that, he should be able to beat anyone on team 1.

Originally posted by Ethereal
Runner has Power Primordial, he's an elder of the universe.

And because of that, he should be able to beat anyone on team 1.

Spiderman is a human, hes a hero of newyork city.

Because of that, he should be able to beat anyone on team 2.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Spiderman is a human, hes a hero of newyork city.

Because of that, he should be able to beat anyone on team 2.

thanks fagget

Originally posted by Ethereal
Runner has Power Primordial, he's an elder of the universe.

And because of that, he should be able to beat anyone on team 1. And Orion is a God, but I wouldn't say he solos the others just for that reason alone.


Plus,

If the Elders were that unbeatable, Thanos wouldn't have been able to get the Infinity Gems from them in the first place.

Originally posted by Galan007
And Orion is a God, but I wouldn't say he solos the others just for that reason alone.


Plus,

If the Elders were that unbeatable, Thanos wouldn't have been able to get the Gems from them in the first place.

I said he should, not that he does. Runner is alway written as on eof the more quirky elders - never serious.

Originally posted by Galan007
And Orion is a God, but I wouldn't say he solos the others just for that reason alone.


Plus,

If the Elders were that unbeatable, Thanos wouldn't have been able to get the Gems from them in the first place.

Thanos took the gem from Runner not because he was more powerful, but because he outsmarted him. Thanos was literally getting dominated at the beginning of that particular battle.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wasn't that runner/Surfer fight with the space gem?

You did not just claim Runner is faster than the Flash.

No.

Yes, on average he is much faster. If you don't believe so prove otherwise.

Originally posted by His Airness
No.

Yes, on average he is much faster. If you don't believe so prove otherwise.

On average the runner is faster then the Flash?

Their does not even exist enough showings of the runner for you to prove that claim.

Does on average to you consist on 3 speed showings, all in which were void due to it being the space gem.

Originally posted by Galan007
And Orion is a God, but I wouldn't say he solos the others just for that reason alone.


Plus,

If the Elders were that unbeatable, Thanos wouldn't have been able to get the Infinity Gems from them in the first place.

It's not cause he's a god. IT'S CAUSE HE'S A NEW GOD! evillaugh

Nah. It's cause he's the most powerful person in this fight. and the Elders aren't all that great.

Flash>>>Runner.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Yes it was Runner with the space gem, it was later shown that he was using it subconsciously. Did anyone read the comic itself?Originally posted by Galan007
But it was about 20 years ago. 313 Point?

Originally posted by His Airness
Thanos took the gem from Runner not because he was more powerful, but because he outsmarted him. Thanos was literally getting dominated at the beginning of that particular battle. Thanos was only getting "dominated" because he wasn't using the other Gems.

Superman > Majestic and Orion > Thor.

However, the Runner likely tips thing in team 2's favor. The Elders were no joke.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Point? Point is....

What major speed feats did Surfer have at that time?

Originally posted by Soljer
Superman > Majestic and Orion > Thor.

However, the Runner likely tips thing in team 2's favor. The Elders were no joke.

Orion>Superman=Majestic(not getting into that one..........)>Thor.

Runner isn't stopping Orion. and frankly, minus the space gem, he's not that impressive.

Originally posted by Galan007
Point is....

What major speed feats did Surfer have at that time? Traveling the universe? Other than that, I'm too lazy to look.
Also, he got overpowered, and taken out.

Are you going to also ask what major power/duribility feats he had?

Because, it's the same Surfer as it was just prior to his recent power-up.

Originally posted by Board Walker
On average the runner is faster then the Flash?

Their does not even exist enough showings of the runner for you to prove that claim.

Does on average to you consist on 3 speed showings, all in which were void due to it being the space gem.

Yes.

With two showings an average can be determined. Not that it matter seeing as how Runner possess more showings than two.

I guess you should have paid more attention in school. According to Scholars, yes an average can be determined by 3 showings.

The only time Runner had the space gem is when he fought Thanos.

Originally posted by His Airness
Yes.

With two showings an average can be determined. Not that it matter seeing as how Runner possess more showings than two.

I guess you should have paid more attention in school. According to Scholars, yes an average can be determined by 3 showings.

The only time Runner had the space gem is when he fought Thanos.

You should pay more attention to the comics you read, it was shown that the runner had the space gem when fighting SS, and that he was usuing it Sub consciously.

Originally posted by Board Walker
You should pay more attention to the comics you read, it was shown that the runner had the space gem when fighting SS, and that he was usuing it Sub consciously.

Nope, that was his fight with Thanos.

Originally posted by Board Walker
You should pay more attention to the comics you read, it was shown that the runner had the space gem when fighting SS, and that he was usuing it Sub consciously. I just read the comic, and the other comic following, and I saw no mention of this...

Go read Thanos Quest, and you'll find what you're referring to.

Originally posted by His Airness
Nope, that was his fight with Thanos.

He had it when fighting SS.

Originally posted by Board Walker
He had it when fighting SS.

You really have no idea of what your talking about.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/runnersurfer1.jpg

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Traveling the universe? Other than that, I'm too lazy to look. All I'm getting at is simply that SS wasn't really known for speed feats at the time.

So while Runner blitzing him is pretty cool, I don't think of it as a top-tier speed feat nowadays (20 years later).

Nor do I think that one particular feat would tip the scale in team 2's favor what so ever.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Because, it's the same Surfer as it was just prior to his recent power-up. If he never accomplished said feat(s) prior to Runner beating him, I'm not going to assume he could have.

Originally posted by Board Walker
it was shown that the runner had the space gem when fighting SS, and that he was usuing it Sub consciously.

That was during "Thanos Quest", (Thanos vs. Runner)




{EDIT}

Here's teh scan:
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnerthanos8.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007


That was during "Thanos Quest", (Thanos vs. Runner)

Originally posted by Galan007


That was during "Thanos Quest", (Thanos vs. Runner)




{EDIT}

Heres teh scan:
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnerthanos8.jpg

Don't bother, he doesn't read comics.

Originally posted by Galan007


That was during "Thanos Quest", (Thanos vs. Runner)




{EDIT}

Heres teh scan:
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnerthanos8.jpg

How did being over one million years old effect Runner? I thought Elders were already millions of years old and didn't age.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
How did being over one million years old effect Runner? I thought Elders were already millions of years old and didn't age.

Yeah it was PIS, but hey it's comics.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
How did being over one million years old effect Runner? I thought Elders were already millions of years old and didn't age. I know.

The Elders have been around since the big bang, yet Thanos turned Runner into an old man?


I think (and hope), that the writers intended us to think that Thanos aged Runners body the equivalent of 1 million years to him, which would mean billions upon billions upon billions of years would have really passed.... See what I mean?


But it was probably just a case of the writers not thinking about what they were doing, before they did it.

Originally posted by Galan007
I know.

The Elders have been around since the big bang, yet Thanos turned Runner into an old man?


I think (and hope), that the writers intended us to think that Thanos aged Runners body the equivalent of 1 million years, which would mean billions upon billions of years would have passed.... See what I mean?


But it was probably just a case of the writers not thinking about what they were doing, before they did it.

Originally posted by Galan007
All I'm getting at is simply that SS wasn't really known for speed feats at the time.

So while Runner blitzing him is pretty cool, I don't think of it as a top-tier speed feat nowadays (20 years later).

Nor do I think that one particular feat would tip the scale in team 2's favor what so ever. So, according to you, Surfer wasn't know for his power either... since Runner completely overpowered him...

Also, this was after he was said to traverse many galaxies, after he flown throw suns, red suns, etc.
The same Surfer, who says one sentence right besides a planet, and in a continuation sentence, he is right in front of a red sun.
Oh, and here's one thing.
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/5217/silversurfervol200119nl8.th.jpg


Originally posted by Galan007
If he never accomplished said feat(s) prior to Runner beating him, I'm not going to assume he could have. I'd look for more feats, but all I've read was three comics (since this time), and found one example where he is faster than light.
Plus, you have to realize he was exiled on Earth for like 4 comics before that comic.
Also, before that comic, Hulk couldn't even see him, and Thor couldn't even hit him, while he was flying.

Originally posted by Galan007
I know.

The Elders have been around since the big bang, yet Thanos turned Runner into an old man?


I think (and hope), that the writers intended us to think that Thanos aged Runners body the equivalent of 1 million years to him, which would mean billions upon billions upon billions of years would have really passed.... See what I mean?


But it was probably just a case of the writers not thinking about what they were doing, before they did it.

Makes sense actually. Runner never really had to experience aging but Thanos forced him to actually age.

srug But yeah it's comics.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
So, according to you, Surfer wasn't know for his power either... since Runner completely overpowered him... Now did I say that?


I only remarked on speed feats.
Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
I'd look for more feats, but all I've read was three comics (since this time), and found one example where he is faster than light.
Plus, you have to realize he was exiled on Earth for like 4 comics before that comic. But how much faster than light was he going in that scan?

We just don't know...



And also, that scan was of him moving forward in a straight line.

Runner beat him moving around/zigzagging, not by getting from point A to point B faster.



So while it was a good feat for Runner, at the time Surfer didn't have the established speed feats that he has now, so Runner's ownage really isn't as impressive as some people make it out to be IMO.


However, if Runner did that sort of thing to Surfer nowadays, it would be an excellent speed feat.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Makes sense actually. Runner never really had to experience aging but Thanos forced him to actually age.

srug But yeah it's comics.

Your explanation is better, but still doesn't make sense. Why the hell would Thanos operate in Earth-years? He's been to thousands of planets, each with a different year cycle. Why would he decide to use Earth as any special measuring stick?

I hate it when ALIENS refer to years or lightyears, as those are man-made terms and are TOTALLY relative to the planet.

Originally posted by Soljer
Your explanation is better, but still doesn't make sense. Why the hell would Thanos operate in Earth-years? He's been to thousands of planets, each with a different year cycle. Why would he decide to use Earth as any special measuring stick?

I hate it when ALIENS refer to years or lightyears, as those are man-made terms and are TOTALLY relative to the planet.

Being a universal translator is part of the comic's. Such translators include a unit converter.

Originally posted by Galan007
Now did I say that?


I only remarked on speed feats.
But how much faster than light was he going in that scan?

We just don't know... Umm... it's established that Runner is more powerful, based on that scene.
So, since Runner isn't as fast as we all thought( ), is he still as powerful?

Also, I don't know, nor do I care. He was faster than light, and he is the same Surfer that we have seen since right before his recent power-up.



Originally posted by Galan007
And also, that scan was of him moving forward in a straight line.

Runner beat him moving around/zigzagging, not by getting from point A to point B faster.



So while it was a good feat for Runner, at the time Surfer didn't have the established speed feats that he has now, so Runner's ownage really isn't as impressive as some people make it out to be IMO.


However, if Runner did that sort of thing to Surfer nowadays, it would be an excellent speed feat. HE ALWAYS MOVES IN A STRAIGHT LINE!
Look at almost any of his speed feats, and he's moving in a straight line, or zigzagging.

Runner beat him by being a faster, stronger, more powerful fighter.
This was three comics after Surfer had overpowered Mephisto in his own realm.
So, even if we ignore his speed, he still overpowered Surfer.

It wouldn't be a different feat... at all. It would be the exact same.
The only difference now, is Surfer's recent power-up.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Being a universal translator is part of the comic's. Such translators include a unit converter.

Meh, I hate it when, in ANY medium, someone not from Earth refers to years or lightyears in an Earth-way.

Gah!

Anyways - whenever something's translated, it's put into chevrons.

Orion isn't > Thor.

Superman IS >Majestic.

Orion wouldn't beat the Runner, barring an extremely high end showing.

I give it to Team two, since the hammer can likely absorb any energy the guys on team one can put out, and return it tenfold sometimes.

That's the trump card.

Originally posted by Soljer
Meh, I hate it when, in ANY medium, someone not from Earth refers to years or lightyears in an Earth-way.

Gah!

Anyways - whenever something's translated, it's put into chevrons.

So Thanos just happens to speak English too no matter who he's talking to?

The universal translator is hidden. The explicit transaltor can be seen (due to the chevrons).

OK I'll admit "explicit translator" is a phrase I made up for translation that the writer want to make note of.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So Thanos just happens to speak English too no matter who he's talking to?

The universal translator is hidden. The explicit transaltor can be seen (due to the chevrons).

OK I'll admit "explicit translator" is a phrase I made up for translation that the writer want to make note of.

It was a joke....

But yes, if you must know, Thanos ALWAYS speaks english. As does Annihilus. .

Still doesn't explain away the whole 'unit conversion' thing. I mean, translating to the primary language is one thing. Converting all the units is totally different.

Originally posted by Soljer
It was a joke....

So was the post that started this.

Originally posted by Soljer
But yes, if you must know, Thanos ALWAYS speaks english. As does Annihilus. .

And you don't find that stupid?

Originally posted by Soljer
Still doesn't explain away the whole 'unit conversion' thing. I mean, translating to the primary language is one thing. Converting all the units is totally different.

The universal translator is basicly an excuse for the writer to not have to explain every term that a character says. Do you honestly expect every writer to come up with a complete set of units for every alien species and then slip in the conversion table?

So...er...

which team wins, how & why?

Team 3.

jawdrop

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

The universal translator is basicly an excuse for the writer to not have to explain every term that a character says. Do you honestly expect every writer to come up with a complete set of units for every alien species and then slip in the conversion table?

No. But he could have used a time unit that WASN'T based on the Earth year.