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To the death!

Storm

Torch

Could'nt Storm just summon Rain, hail, ice storms depowering the Human torch..

Supernova ftw.

Yeah i quess there's that but in order for him to do that, he needs close in proximity to storm, rain/ice storms should prevent him from being in proximity to her..

Torch for a majority. Good fight, though.

Does he still need oxygen to make fire??

If so, Storm can intantly create a localized vacuum and hit him a positive bolt of lightning instantly incinerating him.

Yeah, 'cause it's not like Torch could have easily killed her last time they fought, or anything

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It's been done.
and done.
and done.

Doesn't lightning just follow a path of plasma? If that hit the plasma field around HT then would it disrupt it?

Originally posted by Ytse
Doesn't lightning just follow a path of plasma? If that hit the plasma field around HT then would it disrupt it?

Originally posted by 2damnloud


From: http://science.howstuffworks.com/lightning4.htm

After the step leader and the streamer meet, the ionized air (plasma) has completed its journey to the earth, leaving a conductive path from the cloud to the earth. With this path complete, current flows between the earth and the cloud.

From: http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/h/humantorchii.htm

The Human Torch possesses the mental ability to control ambient heat energy and the physical ability to envelop his entire body or portionsof his body with fiery plasma without harm to himself.

If the path if ionized air necessary to create a path for lightning met with the plasma field around his body wouldn't that interrupt any conduction?

Perhaps there's no precedent in the comics. I'm not sure.

given that it's comic book physics and science, I doubt they actually considered that as an idea. But if in fact, this does apply, Torch can take a solid majority.

Originally posted by Ytse
From: http://science.howstuffworks.com/lightning4.htm

After the step leader and the streamer meet, the ionized air (plasma) has completed its journey to the earth, leaving a conductive path from the cloud to the earth. With this path complete, current flows between the earth and the cloud.

From: http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/h/humantorchii.htm

The Human Torch possesses the mental ability to control ambient heat energy and the physical ability to envelop his entire body or portionsof his body with fiery plasma without harm to himself.

If the path if ionized air necessary to create a path for lightning met with the plasma field around his body wouldn't that interrupt any conduction?

Perhaps there's no precedent in the comics. I'm not sure.

Storm can target and control her lightning with a good degree of accuracy. Coupled with comic physics and since I'll bet she's hit stranger things (and Torch has probably been hit by lightning before) I'd say he has no defense against a blast of lighting execpt being faster than Storm.

How come Torch can tak e SOLID MAJORITY, yet Storm handles him EASILY on panel.

There are actually a couple different theories on lightining, only thing for sure is, they involve positive and negative charges.

How did you come up with "interupt the conduction"??

Electrical charge has nothing to do with fire with regard to it being an option for Torch's demise.

If that is true, Storm can EASILY extinquish his flame with wind, or a vaccum, and THEN fry him with lightining.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Storm can target and control her lightning with a good degree of accuracy. Coupled with comic physics and since I'll bet she's hit stranger things (and Torch has probably been hit by lightning before) I'd say he has no defense against a blast of lighting execpt being faster than Storm.

Well, if what I said would hold true it wouldn't matter how accurate she was since the "circuit" wouldn't be completed. Though comic book physics could negate that line of reasoning entirely. I mean, even spider-man could dodge lightning somehow (Secret Wars when he fights the X-Men).

Dang, Six times.

Anyway, lightning bolt for the win. The heat from the bolt won't hurt him but the electricity is going to do some damage.

Storm.

Originally posted by Ytse
Well, if what I said would hold true it wouldn't matter how accurate she was since the "circuit" wouldn't be completed. Though comic book physics could negate that line of reasoning entirely. I mean, even spider-man could dodge lightning somehow (Secret Wars when he fights the X-Men).

Basicly the end of my post was a long way of saying comic logic negates your reasoning.

Spidey can dodge due to his precog giving him prior warning. Presumably at the first stages of the bolt forming.

Originally posted by 2damnloud

If that is true, Storm can EASILY extinquish his flame with wind, or a vaccum, and THEN fry him with lightining.

IIRC Torch grenerates the flame with energy from his own body. Much like gunpowder he is providing the energy for the flame not the atmosphere.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Spidey can dodge due to his precog giving him prior warning. Presumably at the first stages of the bolt forming.

How long does it take from the time the bolt begins to form til it hits the target? Tiny tiny tiny fractions of a second.

Originally posted by Ytse
How long does it take from the time the bolt begins to form til it hits the target? Tiny tiny tiny fractions of a second.

Yes but I figured that the warning automatically comes at a time when Spidey will still have enough time to react.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yes but I figured that the warning automatically comes at a time when Spidey will still have enough time to react.

I think it's more likely that the surprise coupled with the extreme agility of Spider-Man hopping around that room effected her accuracy.

Sorry for the tangent, btw.

Originally posted by Ytse
I think it's more likely that the surprise coupled with the extreme agility of Spider-Man hopping around that room effected her accuracy.

Sorry for the tangent, btw.

srug Meh.

Torch can win after a while unless he does something drastic to over power her quickly. I'd say Storm 6/10.

So when did Storm become fire-proof ? Or better yet when did Johnny become susceptible to pissy amounts of water.

Rain does Jack Shit , it'll evap as would hail ect.

The only way to forcibly put him out (save for unconsciousness) is for him to use up all the oxygen in the room or hit a LARGE body of water (Ocean , lake ect)

Originally posted by grey fox
So when did Storm become fire-proof ? Or better yet when did Johnny become susceptible to pissy amounts of water.

Since she gained power over the winds that makes it concievable to redirect flames that are shot at her.

Originally posted by grey fox
Rain does Jack Shit , it'll evap as would hail ect.

The only way to forcibly put him out (save for unconsciousness) is for him to use up all the oxygen in the room or hit a LARGE body of water (Ocean , lake ect)

. . . how about a bolt of lightning through the chest . . .

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'd say he has no defense against a blast of lighting execpt being faster than Storm.
The closest you have is absorbing energy from power lines.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Since she gained power over the winds that makes it concievable to redirect flames that are shot at her.



Supernova




Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
. . . how about a bolt of lightning through the chest . . .

That's unconciosuness

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
The closest you have is absorbing energy from power lines.

Passively or with concentration?

Originally posted by grey fox
So when did Storm become fire-proof ? Or better yet when did Johnny become susceptible to pissy amounts of water.

Rain does Jack Shit , it'll evap as would hail ect.

The only way to forcibly put him out (save for unconsciousness) is for him to use up all the oxygen in the room or hit a LARGE body of water (Ocean , lake ect)

Storm has snuffed his flames before.

Originally posted by grey fox
Supernova

I guess she could run away. Besides is that really his normal fighting style?

Originally posted by grey fox
That's unconciosuness

Or a kill. Either way it would be a win.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I guess she could run away. Besides is that really his normal fighting style?



Or a kill. Either way it would be a win.

Yes because OBVIOUSLY summoning tornado's , hailing your opponents to death , flooding the surroundings with water in a futile attempt to put out your foe

These are all tactics used consistently by Storm eh ? No wonder muties are so hated considering she must destroy any city they encounter...

Originally posted by grey fox
Yes because OBVIOUSLY summoning tornado's , hailing your opponents to death , flooding the surroundings with water in a futile attempt to put out your foe

These are all tactics used consistently by Storm eh ? No wonder muties are so hated considering she must destroy any city they encounter... Damn muties! durfist


Supernova ftw.

Originally posted by grey fox
Yes because OBVIOUSLY summoning tornado's , hailing your opponents to death , flooding the surroundings with water in a futile attempt to put out your foe

These are all tactics used consistently by Storm eh ? No wonder muties are so hated considering she must destroy any city they encounter...

Eh?

I've only been working with two of her powers. Wind and Lightning which she uses more than anything else.

Wind to defend against most of Torch's attacks (sans Supernova) and lighning to knock him out of the sky.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Eh?

I've only been working with two of her powers. Wind and Lightning which she uses more than anything else.

Wind to defend against most of Torch's attacks (sans Supernova) and lighning to knock him out of the sky.

I was satirising the concept of you using 'Normal fighting styles' . 99% of the matches are usually BL.

Can he block/is he fast enough to block the cuncussive force of flying shards of metal and glass flying at supersonic speeds??

Can he sustain himself again an electrical wind vortex?

All this also notwithstanding she can snuff out his flames with ease

Originally posted by grey fox
I was satirising the concept of you using 'Normal fighting styles' . 99% of the matches are usually BL.

If BL means what I think it does then. Yes you're right. But forum rules still say "in character".

srug Supernova is probably an auto win but thats a boring way to debate.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If BL means what I think it does then. Yes you're right. But forum rules still say "in character".

srug Supernova is probably an auto win but thats a boring way to debate.

Can't she just stand there and absorb the Supernova. She has abosorbed more energy than that.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Can't she just stand there and absorb the Supernova. She has abosorbed more energy than that. durfist

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Can he block/is he fast enough to block the cuncussive force of flying shards of metal and glass flying at supersonic speeds??

Glass would do nothing if he amped his heat high enough.

Where are they fighting anyway?

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Can he sustain himself again an electrical wind vortex?

Ya mean a tornader?


Originally posted by 2damnloud
All this also notwithstanding she can snuff out his flames with ease

I don't think she can do that.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Passively or with concentration?
I think it was described as with concentration and he didn't like doing it.

One of the things I need to do... read Fantastic Four. Although I trust the guy's judgment who said Torch did it, although I can't remember the spelling of his name, I still feel bad relaying word of mouth feats.

Unless I miss something, Johnny can't instantly just jump to supernova heat, it takes him time to reach those level.

Originally posted by HandOfFate
Unless I miss something, Johnny can't instantly just jump to supernova heat, it takes him time to reach those level.

You know they always give an opponent of Storm insane levels and one-time feats.

He can now do it INSTANTLY before she can react.

Torch heats up, goes to Supernova, burns Storm, Storm no more.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
You know they always give an opponent of Storm insane levels and one-time feats.

He can now do it INSTANTLY before she can react.

Yeah, 'cause Johnny's never gone supernova before or anything .

It doesnt take that long, Storm goes down, the fight between them that happened in contest of champions was pretty accurate I think.

Originally posted by Badabing
Torch heats up, goes to Supernova, burns Storm, Storm no more.

Not before she FRIES him with positive Lightning for which she can create INSTANTLY.

She's already OWNED him.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Not before she FRIES him with positive Lightning for which she can create INSTANTLY.

She's already OWNED him. Supernove>>>>>Lightning. Supernova = BBQ Storm.

I gotta give this to storm 7/10

Originally posted by Badabing
Supernove>>>>>Lightning. Supernova = BBQ Storm.



http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1663/stormvshumantorch33mk.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3481/stormvshumantorch45fm.jpg



"Winds right in my face "......"I'm being hammered FLAT"......"OH MY GOD"

I know that's right

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3137/xtremexmen22p22hgwellsjp1.th.jpg

Imagine the possibilities

Originally posted by Badabing
Torch heats up, goes to Supernova, burns Storm, Storm no more.

but like...what if storm makes it RAIN....and also you forget she has lightning in her brain dur

All she has to do is create a wind storm which would snuff out his flame as SEEN ABOVE, and before he can react, pieces of steel would be sure to follow at supersonic speeds impaling him omnidirectionally.

Originally posted by What If...


She can create that.

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/1756/xmenunlimited0142fb5.th.jpg

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I gotta give this to storm 7/10

w00t

Originally posted by 2damnloud


http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1663/stormvshumantorch33mk.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3481/stormvshumantorch45fm.jpg



"Winds right in my face "......"I'm being hammered FLAT"......"OH MY GOD"

I know that's right

Storm wins, I guess

Johhny is holding back tremendously against a bloodlusted Storm in that fight.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Johhny is holding back tremendously against a bloodlusted Storm in that fight.

Trying to crush someone with a building does not= holdingback

He just didn't have the balls to kill her once he saw that she could suspend the very building being used for her demise in mid-air.

Notwithstanding her winds can snuff out his flame and her impaling him the sharp metal and glass objects.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Trying to crush someone with a building does not= holdingback

He just didn't have the balls to kill her once he saw that she could suspend the very building being used for her demise in mid-air.


Read the last few panels. He's not scared he just doesn't want to kill her because he decided fighting is stupid.

That's the definition of holding back.

I agree Storm wins but that scan isn't good evidence. Especially since direct confontations between characters are rarely fair.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Read the last few panels. He's not scared he just doesn't want to kill her because he decided fighting is stupid.

That's the definition of holding back.

I agree Storm wins but that scan isn't good evidence. Especially since direct confontations between characters are rarely fair.

He meant to kill her with the building, then held back.

The scan does prove that her winds snuff out his flame, if only momentarily, it is enough for her to hurl dibris at him with the same winds.

Just hit him with a lightning bolt and be done with it.

I thought it was kind of funny how she never tried to hit Johnny with a lightning bolt during their battle but went all Lightning Fury on Thor.

Originally posted by HandOfFate
Just hit him with a lightning bolt and be done with it.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
He meant to kill her with the building, then held back.
Whoa, what were the circumstances around that? Why was he trying to kill her?

Storm strikes him with lightning ftw.

It's so funny how EASILY she wins this. It's almost mis-matched

I at least like to be creative with her powers, but she wins here easily.

Human Torch's heat halo deflects lightning back at Storm. Johnny ftw.

Originally posted by Badabing
Human Torch's heat halo deflects lightning back at Storm. Johnny ftw.

Storm't lightning is coming at an average of 93,000 mile per second.

He's dead before he can complete a thought.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm't lightning is coming at an average of 93,000 mile per second.

He's dead before he can complete a thought. Heat halo is always up. Johnny's on fire!!!!! Heat halo up = Storm BBQ.





durfist

Comics book physics is sometimes funny. For example, if Jonny tried to use Supernova on someone in closed room, everything in his vicinity (including probably Jonny himself) would be destroyed with a force Jonny has absolutely no control over- air pressure wave, created by burning the air round him.It's like vacuum bomb effect.

Though in small amounth and on some distance such attack is plausible...and the opponent gets extra hit with pressure wave.

As for the fight, I don't know. Storm's winds were shown being able to extinguish Jonny's flames multiple times. If Storm performs her STRONGEST wind attack on Human Torch, he would be blown off like a candle and have at least a couple of bones in his body broken...if not more. But sadly, both this and Supernova take time to perform- and at least a lot of concentration (the last is the reason why Human Torch is vulnerable to speedblitz in this state (if his opponent has protection from flames, of course)).
Due to multiple showings of Torch being extinguished by Storm, I'll probably give it to Storm- 5-6\10. That has nothing to do with my dislike of Human Torch...and neither I'm a great Storm fan.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Comics book physics is sometimes funny.

Yeah. It's arbitrary how writers pick and choose which parts of reality they'll use in a story and which parts they'll ignore. So when it comes down to arguments like this it's a bit tricky but generally precedence in comics will carry more weight, I suppose.