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Recently, I was looking at the latest Gundam Seed game in action(Mobile Suit Gundam Seed: Rengou vs. Z.A.F.T.)for PSP and was rather impressed. Granted I'm not that familiar with either system but I don't recall seeing any DS games looking that good.

Yeah.

It always have been. That's its major downfall in my opinion.

PSP is much better graphically. Much more powerful and such.

By 'hardware wise' I assume you mean sheer horsepower.

Because some might say that the DS' use of hardware is better, and how else can you describe the second screen except as hardware as well?

The DS basically proved to the world that processing power alone does not a good product make, simply by showing up the PSP. If Nintendo manage to make it two for two with the Wii as well then it may well cause a sizeable shift in the way the gaming industray works- for the last decade it's all been about screaming for more power.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
By 'hardware wise' I assume you mean sheer horsepower.

Because some might say that the DS' use of hardware is better, and how else can you describe the second screen except as hardware as well?

The DS basically proved to the world that processing power alone does not a good product make, simply by showing up the PSP. If Nintendo manage to make it two for two with the Wii as well then it may well cause a sizeable shift in the way the gaming industray works- for the last decade it's all been about screaming for more power.

I want a DS, unfortunutly there is only like 5 games for it that I want.

Metroid
New Mario
Mario Kart
Zelda
Mario 64

Unlike the PSP, which has about 10-15 games that I like:

Metal gear ops
Metal gear acid 1 & 2
Gta vice
Gta liberty
socom 1 & 2
Killzone
syphon filter
god of war TBD
medal of honor
call of suty

Originally posted by Sai1
Recently, I was looking at the latest Gundam Seed game in action(Mobile Suit Gundam Seed: Rengou vs. Z.A.F.T.)for PSP and was rather impressed. Granted I'm not that familiar with either system but I don't recall seeing any DS games looking that good.

In terms of sheer graphical and processing power yes the PSP hardware is better then the DS hardware. But while the DS lacks in one aspect of the hardware it makes up for with another in the touch screen. Like the Wii, the DS's hardware is new and interesting and innovative, rather then just the same thing but with more power. So take your pick really.. go with Nintendo who is going with new interesting ways of playing, or the other guys who are just interested in crunching CPU numbers.

PSP's own but their expensive and are quite easy to break but DS's suffer from nintendo's three greatest issues 1.Poor Graphics 2.Lack of games 3.Bad idea's that somehow get popular (Brain Training anyone?)

PSP is no doubt better than DS hardware wise; software is another matter. The graphics are a generation ahead IMO, PSP looks as good as PS2, while DS still looks like N64 to me. The downloadable PS1 games, expandable memory, LocationFree Player & UMD movies are a nice touch. Actually pretty amazing what they were able to squeeze into the little machine. Now if only they could make it cheaper and the battery last longer. DS is leaps and bounds ahead in software though. What good are great looking titles if there are only a handful of good ones...

The DS has poor graphics and a lack of good games?

News to me.

Originally posted by Kardinal
PSP is no doubt better than DS hardware wise; software is another matter. The graphics are a generation ahead IMO, PSP looks as good as PS2, while DS still looks like N64 to me. The downloadable PS1 games, expandable memory, LocationFree Player & UMD movies are a nice touch. Actually pretty amazing what they were able to squeeze into the little machine. Now if only they could make it cheaper and the battery last longer. DS is leaps and bounds ahead in software though. What good are great looking titles if there are only a handful of good ones...

Its only $40 more than the DS dude. I could spend that at a Rockies game without trying

Seeing how the PsP is a broken design, considering no second analog stick, I have to give this to the DS. This however is like picking two piles of shit. One pile doesnt smell so bad and plays only children games with poor retro graphics, the other pile smells of horribly wasted potential while utilizing an incredible screen to view your shit through. PsP produces only shit games that smell worse than the system itself, but atleast look good while smelling like shit

Originally posted by Lana
The DS has poor graphics and a lack of good games?

News to me.

Compared to the PSP the graphics are not nearly as good, but I completely disagree that it doesn't have any good games... New Super mario bros, mario kart, mario 64 ds, metroid, Yoshi's island, spiderman etc.

Originally posted by OB1-adobe
Its only $40 more than the DS dude. I could spend that at a Rockies game without trying

lol can't argue that the extra $40 is definately worth it, but I guess I really meant that both the DS and PSP are too expensive, but now that I think about it, it makes sense. $50 on top of the price of the PS2 to get it portable is reasonable. If only it game with PS2's game library...

I think thats the problem of the PSP.

It's not the design but the software library. It consists of way too much console ports and not enough original games, and considering most of the ports are completely unaware that handheld gaming is different than console.

How many times do I have read in EGM saying that the game sucks because of the lack of control stick. That's because the developers never thought of trying something different.

Look at the DS, developers are using the dual screen and the touch screen to its original purpose. Thats why its selling like nuts.

Indeed so. The DS is just a much better design concept. Nintedo have got it right from the ground up.

The PSP is exactly what it says it is- a portable Playstation. That's not actually that useful. Nintendo never tried to make the DS a portable Gamecube. It CAN kinda act in that way, but it's not the main object, hence horsepower not being the priority.

DS is annihilating the competition because of this.

I dont mind if the PSP had all those graphics if the developers and Sony actually used them to thier advantage and created original games.

Why the hell do I want to play GTA3 and GTA Vice City again on an small screen.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Indeed so. The DS is just a much better design concept. Nintedo have got it right from the ground up.

The PSP is exactly what it says it is- a portable Playstation. That's not actually that useful. Nintendo never tried to make the DS a portable Gamecube. It CAN kinda act in that way, but it's not the main object, hence horsepower not being the priority.

DS is annihilating the competition because of this.

Considering that Playstation 2 is the most sucessful console ever released, you can't knock them for thinking that a portable version would have worked just as well. It just didn't turn out that way and I don't think it's Sony's fault, it's more the developers who like someone said don't realize that a portable system is different. It some cases the console-like games have worked though, like Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops, the highest rated game for PSP.

And I don't know if DS is annihilating the competition, true it's almost doubling the sales of the PSP, but when you think that before the PSP, there was NO competition in the handheld market since Nintendo has always had a monopoly with handhelds, I think Sony should be proud of the 33% market share they have.

Originally posted by Kardinal
Considering that Playstation 2 is the most sucessful console ever released, you can't knock them for thinking that a portable version would have worked just as well. It just didn't turn out that way and I don't think it's Sony's fault, it's more the developers who like someone said don't realize that a portable system is different. It some cases the console-like games have worked though, like Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops, the highest rated game for PSP.

And I don't know if DS is annihilating the competition, true it's almost doubling the sales of the PSP, but when you think that before the PSP, there was NO competition in the handheld market since Nintendo has always had a monopoly with handhelds, I think Sony should be proud of the 33% market share they have.

Hardware it might 'only' be doubling. Software wise, the difference is astonishing. Meanwhile, Sony have cancelled UMD as a failed product. It's not gone well.

Anyway, you say it's not Sony's fault- well, if Nintendo had the vision, so could Sony have done. They got it wrong and they've paid.

UMD hasn't been "cancelled" in any respect. UMD movies have been reduced by other studios, but Sony Pictures continues to support the format. Just because something isn't seen outside Sony products, doesn't make it a failure. It's still doing what it was intended to do for the PSP, the movie aspect just didn't catch on.

Since the only good games for Nintendo systems usually come from Nintendo themselves, they don't have to rely on other developers to make crappy ports like they do for PSP. While Sony has strong first party developers, games like Gran Turismo and Shadow of Colossus, don't translate to portable nearly as well as games like Mario. The only thing you can fault Sony with is not developing agressively enough in-house for the PSP, but that'll change with God of War: Chains of Olympus.

For me Handheld have always been about basic gaming when I'm away from my consoles or PC.

Never understood why the big deal with better graphics and more power pack into a small gaming device. Last year I was considering getting either a PSP or a DS Lite. When all of the sudden the DS Lite exploded in the high demand market. The games for the DS look so much more fun than the PSP.

I really don't care what games or mediocre movies the PSP may have. It's just not appealing to me. I was glad to get a DS lite and my only regret is losing it. I'll get another in due time.

Clearly I'm out-numbered here lol

I think it's pretty simple decision based on your home console choice. If you've gone with a Wii, you probably care more about unique controls and strong Nintendo software than graphics so go with the DS. If you're a 360 owner though and even more likely if your a PS3 owner, you'd probably be happier with the PSP cause you'll see a lot of your favorite series and they'll look good too.

Please don't 50 people respond saying I've got a 360 or PS3 or hate the Wii and love DS, I'm not looking to create an argument here, just tryin to give the topic starter some information.

No that make sense. If I owned a PS3 I'd want a PSP over a DS because it will have interactivity with the PS3. And if I had a Wii I'd want a DS because it will have interactivity with the Wii.

The choice between the two really depends on what you want out of it. If you want a "portable media" type thing then the PSP is what you should get, if you just want to play fun games and thats pretty much it (though the DS can surf the Internet) then get the DS. I just think that the DS appeals to more people then the PSP does in kinda the same way the Wii appeals to more people then the other systems do. But its really a personal choice. I love the Wii and will probably get a DS in the near future but I'll also be getting a PS3 in a year or so...its all personal choice.

Originally posted by Kardinal
UMD hasn't been "cancelled" in any respect. UMD movies have been reduced by other studios, but Sony Pictures continues to support the format. Just because something isn't seen outside Sony products, doesn't make it a failure. It's still doing what it was intended to do for the PSP, the movie aspect just didn't catch on.

Since the only good games for Nintendo systems usually come from Nintendo themselves, they don't have to rely on other developers to make crappy ports like they do for PSP. While Sony has strong first party developers, games like Gran Turismo and Shadow of Colossus, don't translate to portable nearly as well as games like Mario. The only thing you can fault Sony with is not developing agressively enough in-house for the PSP, but that'll change with God of War: Chains of Olympus.

UMD has been discontinued by most studios and Sony withdrew the format for movies. It's a failure. You just have to accept that.

And most of what you say there is nonsense; a lot of the decrnt stuff translated to DS you could have easily said would not translate well, but did.

Whay you fail to understand is that this is about concept and what a portable system is for, so just talkimng about some game that is coming out soon... it's not going to change anything. PSP game sales are piss poor and that's not going to change.

To say that in-house development is the only thing to blame Sony for is to close your eyes and ears and block out all the obvious signs to the contrary, They an be blamed for making a product that was all about horsepower and nothing else useful at all. Nintendo had the wit to see it was about much more than that, and software sales overwhelmingly show that.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Seeing how the PsP is a broken design, considering no second analog stick, I have to give this to the DS. This however is like picking two piles of shit. One pile doesnt smell so bad and plays only children games with poor retro graphics, the other pile smells of horribly wasted potential while utilizing an incredible screen to view your shit through. PsP produces only shit games that smell worse than the system itself, but atleast look good while smelling like shit

The DS only plays children games? So Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin, Final Fantasy III, Hotel Dusk: Room 215, Metroid Prime: Hunters, Resident Evil: Deadly Silence, Star Fox Command, Star Wars, Spider-man 2 and 3, Spider-man: Battle for New York, X-Men, Xenosaga I+II, and Lunar Knights are just for kids huh?

So (1) Know what you are talking about and (2) You're just a Microsoft fanboy that knows Nintendo is on its way to the top of the console race once again

Originally posted by {{QS}}
PSP's own but their expensive and are quite easy to break but DS's suffer from nintendo's three greatest issues 1.Poor Graphics 2.Lack of games 3.Bad idea's that somehow get popular (Brain Training anyone?)

1.) Poor graphics? Compared to the console games but not handheld. Heck Nintendo is also working on doubling the graphic capabilities of the DS.

2.) Lack of games? When? The DS has more games out than the PSP.

3.) Bad idea? Your opinion so don't state it as fact. I think the touch screen is a brilliant idea.

Ok first of all, calm down You could at least be civil like the rest of the people in this thread.



That's just not true. Check the Amazon.com UMD Page. Not only did Casino Royale (Sony) just recently come out, but so did Borat (20th Century Fox). And there even some upcoming releases listed. So like I said, they've been reduced, not discontinued.



Nintendo games tend to be simple (not a bad thing). Mario is just basically jumping so how could you say that game wouldn't easily translate to DS. Making Metal Gear Solid work on PSP without a second analog stick and maintaining the accuracy needed for the console version can't have been easy. Metal Gear Solid is no doubt tougher to make portable than Mario is, which is why I said Sony needed to focus their in-house studio on making purely portable games, not PS2 ports or remakes.



I think if you ask anyone, actually some of the Nintendo people in this forum already noted that the problem with the PSP is NOT the console itself, but the games. There haven't been enough games of DS-compareable quality for the PSP. So in fact, talking about games that are coming out soon WILL change something since games are what PSP needs.



Despite "all the oblivious signs to the contrary", you've only listed ONE, but I'll respond to it. Yes, Sony went the traditional route of power and graphical capabilities. I'm sorry, but when did it become wrong and horrible to judge progress based on what you see with your eyes. Before Wii & DS, Nintendo didn't seem to have any problem making technological improvements with each generation, nor did Sega, Microsoft, Atari, etc. Why does liking good looking graphics all of sudden make you shallow and old-fashioned? And "nothing else useful at all". I'd call the PSP robust multimedia capabilities useful, the internet browser useful, the interactivity with the PS3 (remote play) useful, the ability to play PS1 games useful, expandable storage useful. I'm not saying Nintendo isn't witty or intelligent with their designs, I'm just saying that there is a market for both since they are drastically different systems. To make PSP seem like a horrible failure and utter piece of garbage is untrue and unfair.

See how I did that without getting personal? Try it.

Well, the PSP is a game system. Yet they put so much emphasis on the fact that you can watch movies, listen to music, and go online with it, and almost none on the games itself.

UMDs failed because why would anyone buy a movie they can download onto their memory stick? PSP game sales are poor for the same reason - very few decent games are being made and people just emulate with it.

And since when have handhelds ever been about graphics? They've always been about fast fun and nothing but. It's the one type of system where you can truly say that graphics are the single least important thing.

The PSP is a good thing in theory. But Sony seriously went the wrong way with...well...all of it.

Originally posted by Kardinal
Ok first of all, calm down You could at least be civil like the rest of the people in this thread.



That's just not true. Check the Amazon.com UMD Page. Not only did Casino Royale (Sony) just recently come out, but so did Borat (20th Century Fox). And there even some upcoming releases listed. So like I said, they've been reduced, not discontinued.



Nintendo games tend to be simple (not a bad thing). Mario is just basically jumping so how could you say that game wouldn't easily translate to DS. Making Metal Gear Solid work on PSP without a second analog stick and maintaining the accuracy needed for the console version can't have been easy. Metal Gear Solid is no doubt tougher to make portable than Mario is, which is why I said Sony needed to focus their in-house studio on making purely portable games, not PS2 ports or remakes.



I think if you ask anyone, actually some of the Nintendo people in this forum already noted that the problem with the PSP is NOT the console itself, but the games. There haven't been enough games of DS-compareable quality for the PSP. So in fact, talking about games that are coming out soon WILL change something since games are what PSP needs.



Despite "all the oblivious signs to the contrary", you've only listed ONE, but I'll respond to it. Yes, Sony went the traditional route of power and graphical capabilities. I'm sorry, but when did it become wrong and horrible to judge progress based on what you see with your eyes. Before Wii & DS, Nintendo didn't seem to have any problem making technological improvements with each generation, nor did Sega, Microsoft, Atari, etc. Why does liking good looking graphics all of sudden make you shallow and old-fashioned? And "nothing else useful at all". I'd call the PSP robust multimedia capabilities useful, the internet browser useful, the interactivity with the PS3 (remote play) useful, the ability to play PS1 games useful, expandable storage useful. I'm not saying Nintendo isn't witty or intelligent with their designs, I'm just saying that there is a market for both since they are drastically different systems. To make PSP seem like a horrible failure and utter piece of garbage is untrue and unfair.

See how I did that without getting personal? Try it.

First of all, the number of movies coming out on UMD is a relatively tiny handful, as their abysmal sales are a testament to. It failed. Every reasonable person knows this- but again, eyes and ears closed from you.

Secondly, you compare one 'simple' game on Nintendo to a complex one on Sony and expect that to be the norm. That's ridiculous. Plenty of highly complex games have made their way to the DS.

Thirdly, as should habe been obvious from all this, the narture of the console informs the nature of the games. The DS games are better and more accepted precisely because of the way Nintendo have built the console- it encouraged innovation rather than the laziness that has crippled Sony here.

Lastly, the drive for power against all else has been a problem in the industry for a while. Sony have completely lost proportion here- the same thing has hampered the PS3 as did the PSP, thinking about power and forgetting all else. it was a huge mistake. Their entire concept for the PSP has been an error, and that is not a single error, it is am amalgam of many, many errors.

Then you start making stuff up, implying that I criticised those who like graphics, a whole other debate (especially on USE of graphics vs. the sheer power of them). But I DO very much find it shallow and silly to just pile on more power and assume that is the only way forward for gaming- and Nintendo have proven that to be wrong.

And all the other capacities of the PSP apparently don't mean anything useful saleswise. it;s just not necessary. At all. DS didn;t have it, sold much better,. Another mistake by Sony to assume that was what was needed. Was it bollocks.

And get off your high horse. When you start blinding yourself to the truth like you are, I feel under no obligation to respect your argument.

Sony got it wrong. Sony lost. As for as software sales are concerned, it HAS failed. End of story.

Originally posted by Lana
Well, the PSP is a game system. Yet they put so much emphasis on the fact that you can watch movies, listen to music, and go online with it, and almost none on the games itself.

UMDs failed because why would anyone buy a movie they can download onto their memory stick? PSP game sales are poor for the same reason - very few decent games are being made and people just emulate with it.

And since when have handhelds ever been about graphics? They've always been about fast fun and nothing but. It's the one type of system where you can truly say that graphics are the single least important thing.

The PSP is a good thing in theory. But Sony seriously went the wrong with with...well...all of it.

There is so much emphasis on the multimedia aspect cause so far cause the good games have been sparse. Like I said, I think that's more of the developer's fault than Sony's, but Sony should have taken notice and developed good first party titles.

Cause UMDs are legal? Why buy DVDs at all then when you can download them through torrents? UMD Movie sales are poor because of the price and the popularity of portable DVD players. UMDs are not very versatile, while DVDs are. PSP Game sales are not poor because of UMDs themselves, they're poor cause the games are by and large crap.

Since Nintendo has dominated handhelds and never focussed on graphics, you can say that handhelds have NEVER been about graphics, but just because Sony is, doesn't make it wrong. Graphics are not the most important thing, but they can make the experience more immersive and realistic whether on a console or on a portable. There doesn't have to be a trade off between graphics and fun. If there is, it's just bad game design.

Sony's entire recent design focus has been on horsepower. It's an error, it really is.

It's been proven by DS vs PSP. You're starting to sound like the Flat Earth society here. Chanting "It wasn't a mistake" simply flies in the face of the facts.

Also, your argument about legality doesn't help Sony much. Ease of piracy has hit the PSP very hard.

Originally posted by Kardinal
There is so much emphasis on the multimedia aspect cause so far cause the good games have been sparse. Like I said, I think that's more of the developer's fault than Sony's, but Sony should have taken notice and developed good first party titles.

Cause UMDs are legal? Why buy DVDs at all then when you can download them through torrents? UMD Movie sales are poor because of the price and the popularity of portable DVD players. UMDs are not very versatile, while DVDs are. PSP Game sales are not poor because of UMDs themselves, they're poor cause the games are by and large crap.

Since Nintendo has dominated handhelds and never focussed on graphics, you can say that handhelds have NEVER been about graphics, but just because Sony is, doesn't make it wrong. Graphics are not the most important thing, but they can make the experience more immersive and realistic whether on a console or on a portable. There doesn't have to be a trade off between graphics and fun. If there is, it's just bad game design.

The emphasis on every feature of the PSP but the games has been there from the very start. I don't think game developers would be very keen to make games for a system that barely even acknowledges the main and most important aspect of the system. So I would say it is just as much Sony's fault, if not more, that no good games are put out for the PSP.

People buy and rip DVDs onto their memory sticks as well, and technically, that is legal. I also did not say anything about PSP game sales being poor because of UMDs. I said they're poor for partially the same reason as poor UMD sales - people don't want to pay for something they can get another way. The legality of it doesn't even enter into most people's minds.

Nintendo is not the only company that has ever made handhelds before now, you realize. But considering that they have consistently dominated the field for as long as they have shows that they had the right idea from the start.

I love how "Sony lost" and it's a huge "failure" just because Sony didn't beat the market leader for 20 years like it did with the Playstation 1/2. It's sold 21 million units and sales have been increasing recently, not decreasing. Was the Gamcube & Xbox a huge failure because there 25 million units each were nowhere near the 115 million PS2s sold? Nope, they just weren't as sucessful.

Get off MY high horse? Get off the notion that DS is the end-all-be-all of handhelds and any other attempt even if less sucessful is a "huge failure". You my friend are a fanboy with a capital F. I didn't come here to get bashed so just move on, this really isn't contributing anything to this thread.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
First of all, the number of movies coming out on UMD is a relatively tiny handful, as their abysmal sales are a testament to. It failed. Every reasonable person knows this- but again, eyes and ears closed from you.

Secondly, you compare one 'simple' game on Nintendo to a complex one on Sony and expect that to be the norm. That's ridiculous. Plenty of highly complex games have made their way to the DS.

Thirdly, as should habe been obvious from all this, the narture of the console informs the nature of the games. The DS games are better and more accepted precisely because of the way Nintendo have built the console- it encouraged innovation rather than the laziness that has crippled Sony here.

Lastly, the drive for power against all else has been a problem in the industry for a while. Sony have completely lost proportion here- the same thing has hampered the PS3 as did the PSP, thinking about power and forgetting all else. it was a huge mistake. Their entire concept for the PSP has been an error, and that is not a single error, it is am amalgam of many, many errors.

Then you start making stuff up, implying that I criticised those who like graphics, a whole other debate (especially on USE of graphics vs. the sheer power of them). But I DO very much find it shallow and silly to just pile on more power and assume that is the only way forward for gaming- and Nintendo have proven that to be wrong.

And all the other capacities of the PSP apparently don't mean anything useful saleswise. it;s just not necessary. At all. DS didn;t have it, sold much better,. Another mistake by Sony to assume that was what was needed. Was it bollocks.

And get off your high horse. When you start blinding yourself to the truth like you are, I feel under no obligation to respect your argument.

Sony got it wrong. Sony lost. As for as software sales are concerned, it HAS failed. End of story.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
(though the DS can surf the Internet)

It's been able to do that for a while (I made a post in thia area using it)- frankly, don't put too much value in that. It's not particularly good at it- again, down to basic system design. DS wasn't realy built for that kind of thing, PSP was.

The PSP is a neat piece of kit. It's just the wrong product.

Originally posted by Kardinal
I love how "Sony lost" and it's a huge "failure" just because Sony didn't beat the market leader for 20 years like it did with the Playstation 1/2. It's sold 21 million units and sales have been increasing recently, not decreasing. Was the Gamcube & Xbox a huge failure because there 25 million units each were nowhere near the 115 million PS2s sold? Nope, they just weren't as sucessful.

Get off MY high horse? Get off the notion that DS is the end-all-be-all of handhelds and any other attempt even if less sucessful is a "huge failure". You my friend are a fanboy with a capital F. I didn't come here to get bashed so just move on, this really isn't contributing anything to this thread.

Ahh, now who is getting personal, eh? I'm no fanboy, I am a lifelong PC player. I've only recently got into consoleing as a sideline. I'm not a fanboy simply because I recognise that Nintendo made the better product, by far.

And yes it was a failure. It was much trumpeted, much hyped, they aimed to break Nintendo with it, and they failed. The sales are a disaster.

Sorry, it's well known that the PSP failed. I am sure Sony will try again, though.

(Gamecube WAS a failure, btw)

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Ahh, now who is getting personal, eh? I'm no fanboy, I am a lifelong PC player. I've only recently got into consoleing as a sideline. I'm not a fanboy simply because I recognise that Nintendo made the better product, by far.

And yes it was a failure. It was much trumpeted, much hyped, they aimed to break Nintendo with it, and they failed. The sales are a disaster.

Sorry, it's well known that the PSP failed. I am sure Sony will try again, though.

(Gamecube WAS a failure, btw)

If you're not a fanboy, you seem to have the attitude that unless you outright "WIN", you're an utter failure and the attempt was not worth it. That's a sad and unrealistic attitude. Gamecube and Xbox were not failures. In fact Gamecube and Xbox WERE the "better products", PS2 was old & tired. It won because of its software support, which is exactly the reason DS is winning. I also don't remember ever reading that Sony was getting into portables to "break Nintendo". I think they just wanted a piece of the pie, and they got it. If you deem that a failure, so be it.

No, Sony made it very clear that their goal with the PSP was to dominate the handheld market as they did the console market.

They went around saying that they were going to beat Nintendo at their own game, and such and such. They failed.

Hence, in that sense, PSP was a failure. Doesn't mean the product is worthless, just failed at the company's ultimate goal.

Originally posted by BackFire
No, Sony made it very clear that their goal with the PSP was to dominate the handheld market as they did the console market.

They went around saying that they were going to beat Nintendo at their own game, and such and such. They failed.

Hence, in that sense, PSP was a failure. Doesn't mean the product is worthless, just failed at the company's ultimate goal.

I seemed to have missed the "very clear" statement that Sony made. Do you have a link?

Either way, I don't know if Sony is making a profit on the PSP, but if they are, they have no cause for complaint. If they expect to rule every market, they're sadly mistaken. They've definately had their share of failings (Betamax anyone?), I just don't see PSP as one of them.

Of course I don't have a link. These statements were made prior to the PSP's release, hyping the system and such. They were made years ago.

Surely you can find them if you care to look.

And I think you're musunderstanding what people mean with "Failure". Failure doesn't inherently mean that the system is dead or worthless or even bad, just that it failed at the companies ultimate goal - Winning the handheld market.

The PSP is a good system, as it is. Failure or not.

Originally posted by BackFire
Of course I don't have a link. These statements were made prior to the PSP's release, hyping the system and such. They were made years ago.

Surely you can find them if you care to look.

And I think you're musunderstanding what people mean with "Failure". Failure doesn't inherently mean that the system is dead or worthless or even bad, just that it failed at the companies ultimate goal - Winning the handheld market.

The PSP is a good system, as it is. Failure or not.

If that was Sony's ultimate goal, then I think it was short-sigthed, overconfident and arogant. To think that you're going to rule a market that has a large devoted fanbase and 20 years of history is just dumb. I could have told Sony that would be a failure.

I accept that in the context of ruling the handheld market, the PSP IS a failure. What I take issue with is people attacking the system as garbage and useless, cause it's not.

Well, this IS Sony. They've had a nasty trend of late of having a completely stupid confidence in their stuff. They did the same thing with the PS3. Their attitude is partly to blame for their recent problems.

I agree, the PSP certainly isn't garbage. I don't think that's what anyone was trying to imply.

Anyone knows if there are any current plans for Sony to introduce a PSP2? All the rumors coming out of Sony are either about a cut price or newer more powerful PS3 (they never learn their lesson)

Sony just cut the price of the PSP, I doubt they'd do it again.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
It's been able to do that for a while (I made a post in thia area using it)- frankly, don't put too much value in that. It's not particularly good at it- again, down to basic system design. DS wasn't realy built for that kind of thing, PSP was.

The PSP is a neat piece of kit. It's just the wrong product.

I was speaking to the US and Canadian users. Is the DS Browser out in Canada and the US? I knew it was out pretty much everywhere else but did it finally make its way here as well?

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
I was speaking to the US and Canadian users. Is the DS Browser out in Canada and the US? I knew it was out pretty much everywhere else but did it finally make its way here as well?

Right you are... According to Wikipedia the browser will be released on June 4th, 2007 in North America.

Apparently it's going to cost the same as a regular DS game. That's a little expensive considering the DS browser is kinda lacking with no audio, video or flash support. The Wii browser is free/$5 and is far more robust, but I guess they need to charge for the hardware to go along with the DS browser.

Originally posted by Lana
Well, the PSP is a game system. Yet they put so much emphasis on the fact that you can watch movies, listen to music, and go online with it, and almost none on the games itself.

UMDs failed because why would anyone buy a movie they can download onto their memory stick? PSP game sales are poor for the same reason - very few decent games are being made and people just emulate with it.

And since when have handhelds ever been about graphics? They've always been about fast fun and nothing but. It's the one type of system where you can truly say that graphics are the single least important thing.

The PSP is a good thing in theory. But Sony seriously went the wrong way with...well...all of it.

when was the last time you played your PSP?

Originally posted by OB1-adobe
when was the last time you played your PSP?

You're making a pretty big assumption there.

Originally posted by OB1-adobe
when was the last time you played your PSP?

Last time I played mine was December 11th, 2004.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Last time I played mine was December 11th, 2004.

You stopped playing a day before the launch in the first region, Japan?

My head just exploded...

Originally posted by Kardinal
You stopped playing a day before the launch in the first region, Japan?

My head just exploded...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/Dark_Puck/Macros/point.jpg

Also, head explodey. How does an open mind feel?

I walked right into that...

if by 'better' you mean 'more powerful'... then yes..

but by 'funfactor' the DS has the upper hand

Originally posted by Lana
You're making a pretty big assumption there.

Don't dis what you don't own.

People treat the Psp like it was suppose to be some next gen consol.


Nintendo has their hand in the handhelds and it will stay that way. More gameboys SP's were sold than gamecubes.................and by a ton.

More Playstion 2s were sold than Gamecubes.............and by a universe lenghth.


You can't really compare DS and PSP because they offer two differnt things.

Hardware wise, PSP destroys the DS.

Originally posted by OB1-adobe
Don't dis what you don't own.

People treat the Psp like it was suppose to be some next gen consol.


Nintendo has their hand in the handhelds and it will stay that way. More gameboys SP's were sold than gamecubes.................and by a ton.

More Playstion 2s were sold than Gamecubes.............and by a universe lenghth.


You can't really compare DS and PSP because they offer two differnt things.

I don't own it because there are no games on it that interest me. That doesn't mean I haven't played one before. I have many many times. It's a neat little thing but really not worth paying the amount of money it costs and having to deal with the fact that if you look at it wrong, it'll break.

Maybe if it had decent games, then I might have an interest in it. But why on earth would I pay that much money for something that has no good games?

And don't even say "well it can play music and movies and go online". I have an iPod and laptop for that. If I'm going to buy a game system, then I'm going to decide based on the games available for it and nothing more than that.

Originally posted by Lana
I don't own it because there are no games on it that interest me. That doesn't mean I haven't played one before. I have many many times. It's a neat little thing but really not worth paying the amount of money it costs and having to deal with the fact that if you look at it wrong, it'll break.

Maybe if it had decent games, then I might have an interest in it. But why on earth would I pay that much money for something that has no good games?

And don't even say "well it can play music and movies and go online". I have an iPod and laptop for that. If I'm going to buy a game system, then I'm going to decide based on the games available for it and nothing more than that.

Well yeah it does go online, and play movies, and music. They are nice little features and its NOT why I primarly bought the thing.

I wanted to play metal gear, and GTA.

But with all it can do, the thing is dream......mostly when the power goes out during a huge blizzard or rain storm.

Well, now that the DSi is coming out, this whole debate is kind of pointless. Sony failed at hanhelds, Microsoft didn't even try, and Nintendo won.

Hardware wise, PSP DESTROYS the DS. I traded my DS Lite for a PSP 3000.

DS has the better library but the PSP has the best games. It's not like the PSP wan unsuccessful, just not as successful as the DS.

Yeah. It didn't do as bad as one would've expected, but it still didn't do as well as Sony hoped.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Seeing how the PsP is a broken design, considering no second analog stick, I have to give this to the DS. This however is like picking two piles of shit. One pile doesnt smell so bad and plays only children games with poor retro graphics, the other pile smells of horribly wasted potential while utilizing an incredible screen to view your shit through. PsP produces only shit games that smell worse than the system itself, but atleast look good while smelling like shit


I have to take back this statement from two years ago. Although, i still agree with my statement that the analog stick is useless. The PsP has recently impressed the shit out of me. The library of games that it has massed over the years make the system well worth a purchase.

Being able to play movies, music, surf the internet, take pictures is just incredible. PsP rocks

It's also a great device for pirates

Hardware-wise, PSP is obviously miles ahead from DS.

More CPU power, graphics at par with PS2, can play MP3s and MPGs without the use of slot devices (you don't need to use ILLEGAL cartridges like R4DS), a larger and more vibrant screen, lighter, and slimmer.

The games for the PSP are better IMO, for a hardcore gamer like me.
DS has nothing in its library that can rival the sheer awesomeness of such games like God of War or Crisis Core or Dissidia.

The PSP vs. DS is another case of superior hardware making what ends up being an inferior system.

Originally posted by Peach
The PSP vs. DS is another case of superior hardware making what ends up being an inferior system.
Inferior in what way?

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Inferior in what way?
Inferior in entertaining and enticing the consumers. Inferior in selling either hardware or software, inferior in game quality...

I could go on.

I only own a DS. It's fun. I like their two screen/touch screen idea. Some very enjoyable games.

PSP is better...yup I said it. Who wants to throw hands?

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Inferior in entertaining and enticing the consumers. Inferior in selling either hardware or software, inferior in game quality...

I could go on.
Did you read the title?

DS outselling PSP does NOT prove that it is superior to PSP, HARDWARE-WISE.
'Entertainment' depends on each individual, so that argument is void.

Inferior in software and game quality???
Have you even used a PSP?

Besides software and game quality has NO correlation with hardware. NOTHING AT ALL.

Read people's posts correctly before getting so agitated, occult. GK was following up Lana's post which very clearly indeed said that the DS was superior despite being inferior in hardware.

You simply waste everyone's time by acting like that. You asked the question, he answered. It is close to flaming to respond so.

PSP has better hardware but the DS has better features/games.

Incidentally, stuff like the dual screens and touch capacity counts as hardware. So to be more accurate, the PSP has better specs.

Last night's "Gadget show" made the bold claim that the ipod touch will steal the DSi's thunder and become the premier handheld gaming device.

Can't see it happening to be honest. Although I think that the DSi should really be a bigger step up than what it is going to be. A quarter inch bigger screen and 2 crap cameras with little or no increase in hardware performance. Unless they really utilise the cameras to make innovative new apps then it's just a DS with cameras stuck on.

Although I am getting one myself I cannot give the DSi a wider recommendation to anyone who already has a DS, especially a Lite. It's there to keep on selling to saturated markets, really. The SD card slot and potential future virtual console for handhelds is probably the deal breaker for me but it's not going to be for everyone.

The Itouch is a neat piece of gear and going to be popular, certainly, but... Nintendo just have the killer franchises for handhelds still.

Am I the only one who has the first iteration of the DS?

No, I've got the original too, and I know of at least four other people who also have it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSP_GO

Check it out.

But you can't use your UMDS on it.

And so?

the psp is more advanced and technologically superior to the DS but lacks charm, ease of use, durability, a library of good games like that of the DS, and nintendo's infamous penchant for making their handhelds region free so you don't really miss out on anything no matter where you live. Plus UMD movies are just useless.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Inferior in entertaining and enticing the consumers. Inferior in selling either hardware or software, inferior in game quality...

I could go on.



I'm quite entertained and satisfied with my PsP. I like being able to use the internet, watch movies, call friends and play great games on a handheld game system. The games on the PsP range from classic to shit...,just like any system.

I would say that the Nintendo Ds is inferior in game quality. Most of the games are corny or pointless. What is this charm that people say the PsP lacks? Furthermore, what charm does the Ds have that the PsP doesnt? Anyone who plays on a DS secretly wishes they were playing on a PsP instead, admit it.

Originally posted by Kardinal
I seemed to have missed the "very clear" statement that Sony made. Do you have a link?

Either way, I don't know if Sony is making a profit on the PSP, but if they are, they have no cause for complaint. If they expect to rule every market, they're sadly mistaken. They've definately had their share of failings (Betamax anyone?), I just don't see PSP as one of them.


I know what he's talking about. Sony did say that. They used almost the same exact wording too.


I did a google search and the internet is so saturated with the PSP Go news that I can't get to anything of "back in the day" stuff for the pre-release of the PSP.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Anyone who plays on a DS secretly wishes they were playing on a PsP instead, admit it.

That is simple insanity talking. In any case, you are one man trying tio turn back the tide there. Both publically and critically it is overhwlemingly considered that the DS has the better gaming catalogue.

And the point is for all the doodads, when it comes to handheld game systems, people are massively focused on enjoying the games. Not the bells and whistles.

hence the wii-mote.

Honestly speaking, the PSP has more fun CASUAL games than the DS.
Patapon, Loco Roco, Lumines, etc. were better than any DS game I've ever played.

Add to that great titles like Crisis Core: FFVII, GoW: Chains of Olympus, Burnout Legends, GTA VCS, Tekken: DR, Warriors Orochi, etc.

There are also a multitude of upcoming titles that look highly enjoyable:
MGS: Peace Walker, LittleBigPlanet, Assassin's Creed: Bloodlines, Soulcalibur: Broken Destiny, Gran Turismo, Shin Megami Tensei: Persona, FF Agito XIII

All of these games are up a notch compared to the DS library.

Again, speaking against the tide.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
And so?

Well are'nt the game for the PSP UMDs ?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Again, speaking against the tide.
The fact that the majority of handheld gamers bought the DS instead of the PSP does NOT change the fact that the PSP is superior to the DS.
Both gameplay-wise and graphics-wise.

Quality and features come with a price.
ie. You can't expect to have a luxury car for the price of a subcompact.

In this case, the PSP is a more capable device than the DS. That is a fact.
It has more features than the DS. No one can deny that.
The features and the quality justify the price. Sales has nothing to do with the hardware capability of a console, or any product for that matter.

And yet not many people do think that the price justifies the extra features, as sales show very clearly.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
The fact that the majority of handheld gamers bought the DS instead of the PSP does NOT change the fact that the PSP is superior to the DS.
Both gameplay-wise and graphics-wise.

Quality and features come with a price.
ie. You can't expect to have a luxury car for the price of a subcompact.

In this case, the PSP is a more capable device than the DS. That is a fact.
It has more features than the DS. No one can deny that.
The features and the quality justify the price. Sales has nothing to do with the hardware capability of a console, or any product for that matter.

Like I said, the praise on the DS games is both commerical and critical. It is games that are the bottom line. Hence your claim on PSP gameplay being superior is irrelevant. You can say it all you like, but it won't change a thing.

The DS games are better. That's why it won out.

Originally posted by Ushgarak

The DS games are better. That's why it won out.
Who said they were better?
What DS games are better than the PSP's?

For the last time- both the public and the critics rate the games better.

The DS catalogue of amazing, popular and critically lauded games is huge. It won't take you much effort to check out.

The situation is no different to the days of the Game Boy. The Game Gear and Lynx had better graphics etc but they were will, ultimately, worse products. Nintendo have always understood how this works.

I disagree that the PSP is superior to the DS, hardware-wise. Yes, I said it.


Sure, it may have more bells and whistles, it may have better graphics capabilities, but the hardware is inferior.


Here's why: The hardware layout leaves something to be desired. My thumb hurt after a couple of hours on God of War, a great game, btw.

Also, the DS has the touch screen, making it an all around superior piece of hardware....because, when it comes down to it, the hardware was primarily designed to play video games. The DS does better at that and has better hardware technologies (touch screen) to accomplish that, i.e. it is superior hardware.



Had the PSP had better "controls", I would own one of those as I am all about graphics and quality of games.


You won't catch me dead with a PSP in my hand, though, because the controls suck that much. Reglardless of how good their games are, the controls suck too much to tolerate.

Originally posted by Peach
And yet not many people do think that the price justifies the extra features, as sales show very clearly. Ik this was 2009, however.

The Nintendo DS also outsold every mainstream console ever, besides the PS2.

Does that make it better then all those consoles? The Xbox 360, the PS3?

The Nintendo 64, the Gamecube?

No, no it doesn't.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree that the PSP is superior to the DS, hardware-wise. Yes, I said it.


Sure, it may have more bells and whistles, it may have better graphics capabilities, but the hardware is inferior.


Here's why: The hardware layout leaves something to be desired. My thumb hurt after a couple of hours on God of War, a great game, btw.

Also, the DS has the touch screen, making it an all around superior piece of hardware....because, when it comes down to it, the hardware was primarily designed to play video games. The DS does better at that and has better hardware technologies (touch screen) to accomplish that, i.e. it is superior hardware.



Had the PSP had better "controls", I would own one of those as I am all about graphics and quality of games.


You won't catch me dead with a PSP in my hand, though, because the controls suck that much. Reglardless of how good their games are, the controls suck too much to tolerate.

The leap in graphics is massive enough to make at least a slight difference.

It depends how sensitive you hands are. For example, using the stylus for me made my hand start to cramp after awhile, but playing the PSP, I was just fine.

The Vita remidied the whole touch screen ordeal, and honestly? While its cool and all, I like just controlling shit with buttons.

On top of that, and this is probably nitpicking, the clamshell design was a bad choice, because it can wear out over time, leading you to accidentally slam your Nintendo DS shut when you aren't meaning to.

Sure, the screen was exposed on the PSP, but you usually weren't carrying anything that would damage your PSP in your pocket, and the DS screen can get damaged more easily then the PSP can.

Example, I had a fake plastic rose from a christmas party or something, tried to play my DS using this fake plastic rose, as I had lost my stylus, and I permanently ****ed up my screen, tried it on the PSP, being the curious moron I am, and not satisfied with ****ing up one handheld console.

But curiously, and luckily, nothing happened, there was not even a knick on my PSP screen.


Just my thoughts on this 6-year-old thread.