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In my opinion:

Top 5:

1. Batman Begins
2. V for Vendetta
3. Sin City
4. X-Men
5. Hellboy


Bottom 5:

5. Spiderman 2
4. Superman Returns
3. Batman and Robin
2. Spiderman 3
1. Catwoman


Again, JUST my personal opinion. Feel free to post your own, and remember that not everyone likes the same things you do. Play nice.

Thanks

Top 5:

1. Batman
2. x-man
3. Batman Returns
4. Batman Forever
5. X-Man 2


Bottom 5:

5. Superman 1
4. Superman Returns
3. Batman and Robin
2. Spiderman 1-3
1. Catwoman

Spiderman three didn't break half a dozen box office records for nothing... .

Anyways - bottom would probably be Batman & Robin, Batman Forever, Elektra, Catwoman, and Daredevil. No particular order.

BEST would be Batman Begins, Batman 89, Batman Returns, the Spiderman Trilogy, X-men, Sin City, V for Vendetta, 300, ....

No particular order.

Originally posted by Soljer
Spiderman three didn't break half a dozen box office records for nothing... .

Anyways - bottom would probably be Batman & Robin, Batman Forever, Elektra, Catwoman, and Daredevil. No particular order.

BEST would be Batman Begins, Batman 89, Batman Returns, the Spiderman Trilogy, X-men, Sin City, V for Vendetta, 300, ....

No particular order.

One could say spiderman3 is riding of the success of the other two films but thats just ones opinion.

Top 5:

1. Superman the movie
2. Spiderman 2
3. Batman Begins
4. V for Vendetta
5. Sin city.


Bottom 5:

5. Superman returns (based on the fact i expected so much more)
4. Hulk
3. Elecktra
2. Batman and Robin
1. Catwoman

Top 5 in no order.

Superman 2
X-Men 3
Daredevil - Directors Cut
Spiderman 2
Batman 89

Bottom 5 in no order.

Elektra
Batman and Robin
Catwoman
Hulk
Punisher

Originally posted by Soljer
Spiderman three didn't break half a dozen box office records for nothing... .
lol, I despise this logic.

Only good thing about SM3 was the super hot Gwen Stacy and how funny Harry was, unintentional or otherwise.

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Top:

300
V for Vendetta
Batman Begins
Superman
Hellboy



Bottom:

Hulk
Catwoman
Elektra
Batman & Robin
Spider-Man #2

top 5

spiderman 3
spiderman 2
batman returns
xmen 2
batman begins

bottom 5

steel
elektra
batman and robin
catwoman
X3

IMHO...

Bottom 5: (worst to best)

1) Captain America
2) Dolph Lundgren Punisher
3) Batman & Robin
4) Daredevil
5) Superman 3

Haven't seen Electra yet, so not sure where it fits in that list...

Top 5: (Best to worst)

1) Sin City
2) V for Vendetta
3) Batman Begins
4) 300
5) Spiderman 2

Originally posted by spidey-dude

bottom 5

steel
elektra
batman and robin
catwoman
X3

I steadfastly refuse to acknowledge the existence of "Steel"

Originally posted by shksprtx
I steadfastly refuse to acknowledge the existence of "Steel" i dont know how the hell they made any money with that movie.

Top Five:

- Batman Begins
- X2
- 300
- Sin City
- Spider-Man 2 OR V for Vendetta

Bottom Five:

- X-Men 3
- Catwoman
- Elektra
- Steel
- any of the Batman films before Batman Begins

Bottom: (no order)

Captain America
The Punisher (Lundgren)
Batman & Robin
Catwoman
Superman IV

Top: (No Order)

X-Men
Batman
Batman Begins
Superman
X-Men 2

Top 5:

1. Batman Begins


2. Spider-Man


3. X2: X-Men United


4. Sin City / V for Vendetta


5. X-Men



Bottom 5: (I haven't bothered to see Catwoman, Steel, the campy Batman film, or Elektra, so I won't add those, but I don't think I'd have to)


5. Fantastic 4


4. Hulk


2. X-Men 3: The Last Stand


1. Batman and Robin

NoFate007, I agree with everything you put down in your post except for Fantastic Four. I thought it was better than most people give it credit for. Other than that, I loved the analysis of each film.

Thanks for a great post!!

My pleasure Glad you enjoyed.

Originally posted by jrodslam

Bottom 5 in no order.

Elektra
Batman and Robin
Catwoman
Hulk
Punisher

Is that the dolph lundgren one or the Tom Jane one of the punisher if its the lundgren on then i agree with ya there.

Favourite:

1. Superman the Movie/Superman II - Donner Cut
2. Batman '89
3. Blade II
4. Spider-Man 2/Batman Returns
5. Batman Begins/Sin City

Least Favourite:

1. x2 (only two worthwhile scenes in the entire movie for me, and one wasn't even a scene, just colossus kicking ass)
2. Superman Returns
3. Elektra
4. Batman and Robin
5. Catwoman

Originally posted by Kazenji
Is that the dolph lundgren one or the Tom Jane one of the punisher if its the lundgren on then i agree with ya there.

Dolph.

Wow.... it was so bad I even forgot about that Punisher movie. Come to think of it, Dolph ruined Masters of the Universe... or was that just a bad movie?

Originally posted by SpaceMonkey
Wow.... it was so bad I even forgot about that Punisher movie. Come to think of it, Dolph ruined Masters of the Universe... or was that just a bad movie?

Actually, i kinda liked MotU.

Originally posted by SpaceMonkey
Wow.... it was so bad I even forgot about that Punisher movie. Come to think of it, Dolph ruined Masters of the Universe... or was that just a bad movie?

i liked masters of the universe... i thought it was a fairly decent he-man movie... a bit dark at times, but decent nonetheless...

Originally posted by jrodslam
Actually, i kinda liked MotU.

me too...

I just thought they should have stayed away from bringing the characters to Earth. That was the part that killed it for me.

Top Five

1. Road to Perdition
2. A History of Violence
3. Spider-man 2
3. X-2
5. Batman Begins

There are too many bad comic movies for me to take the list down to a bottom five

1. Batman Begins
2. V for Vendetta
3. Superman
4. Spiderman 2
5. Superman Returns

5. Hulk
4. Steel
3. Elektra
2. Batman and Robin
1. Catwoman

top

Hellboy
Batman begins
Constantine
road to perdition
Heroes (yeah i know its a tv show, but its far better than any comic influenced movie that has ever been made by leaps and bounds)

Bottom

all comic t.v movies
Hulk t.v show
Xmen3
spiderman3
Hulk
Catwoman
superman 3-returns
Batman returns-batman and robin
mask-son of the mask
supergirl
1989 punisher
I know thats more than 5 for bad movies, but it was hard to stop my self from listing anymore bad ones, For every good comic flick there is ten terrible ones

Top 5

A History of Violence
Spider-Man 2
X-Men 2
Batman Begins
V for Vendetta

Bottom 5

Punisher (either one)
Elektra
Catwoman
Superman 3
Steel

These are the my favorite movies

1. X-Men United
The second X-Men movie was great. I love seeing Hannibal Lecktor up against Wolverine.
2. A History of Violence
A true Oscar movie and the best comic book movie so far. It differs from movies like 'Punisher' in that after a brutal killing scene, the protagonist feels remorse for his actions. It is great to see how his family must deal with the troubles that face them.
3. Batman (1989)
I really enjoyed the sets exibited in the first two Batman movies. I also love the character interaction and development.
4. Superman (1978)
I love the great writing of the first Superman film. It had good special effects and superb casting. I feel that 'Superman Returns' was a great follow-up to this movie.
5. Spider-Man 2
This was a deep movie, that provided the powerful emotions and thrilling special effects that we expect to see from Spider-Man.

These are the worst

1. Batman Forever/Batman & Robin
I hate 'Forever' more because it began the downfall.
2. Hulk
I can't find anything good about this movie.
3. Fantastic Four
It was bland and Dr. Doom was ruined.
4. Catwoman
Evil make-up factory?
5. 300
This is not the future of movies. Stop saying that!

I really have great expectations for 'Sgt. Rock' & 'Watchmen', and don't want them to look like '300'.

OK, that's 1 against "300".

Whoa, no one has said one of the BEST so far...

Top 5
1. Batman Begins
2. The Crow (I'm suprised no one said this one yet)
3. Batman 1989
4. Spider-Man
5. X-Men

Bottom 5
1. Batman and Robin
2. Catwoman
3. Hulk
4. Daredevil
5. Steel (Shaq? Come on!)

Top 5

Spiderman 1
Batman 1
Batman2
Superman Returns
Daredevil


Bottom 5

Electra
Catwoman
Hellboy
xmen 1
punisher (2005)

Originally posted by Bat Dude
2. The Crow (I'm suprised no one said this one yet)

f*ck... yeah, that'd be in my top five... awesome movie...

Originally posted by MatthewDwight


3. Fantastic Four
It was bland and Dr. Doom was ruined.


really? I thought it was nice to finally see DR doom with powers

Batman Begins.
V for Vendetta.
Sin City
300
Superman the Movie.

After that, there's only 2 or 3 other decent ones, and the rest of them pretty much blow.

This list will not include manga adaptations.

1: Spiderman 2
2: Hulk
3: A History of Violence
4: V For Vendetta
5: Spiderman
6: Hell boy
7: X2
8: X-Men
9: Ghost World (Didn't say superhero movie, did you?)
10: Daredevil DC

Runners up (no particular order): Batman Begins, 300, The Punisher 2005, X-men: TLS, Fantastic Four (Street), From Hell, Sin city.

Worst (I don't even want to order them):

Superman IV
Superman III
Electra
Cat Woman
Generation X
Shield
Super Girl
Superman the movie
Superman II
Batman Forever
Batman
Batman Returns
Captain America
Ghostrider
Spiderman 3
Fantastic Four (Corman)

I can't believe I forgot to include Superman Returns, one of the worst movies of 2006.

Top Five:

1. Batman Begins
2. 300
3. Spiderman 1 and 2
4. V For Vendetta
5. X-2: X-Men United

Honorable Mentions: Superman I, II, and Returns, X-men, Sin City, Blade 1 and 2, and Batman 1 and Returns.

Worst:

1. Catwomen
2. Captain America (1992)
3. Fantastic Four (1994)
4. Punisher (1989)
5. Steel

There are no worst comic movies than these 5 atrocities.

Originally posted by nimbus006
Top Five:

1. Batman Begins
2. 300
3. Spiderman 1 and 2
4. V For Vendetta
5. X-2: X-Men United

Honorable Mentions: Superman I, II, and Returns, X-men, Sin City, Blade 1 and 2, and Batman 1 and Returns.

Worst:

1. Catwoman
2. Captain America (1992)
3. Fantastic Four (1994)
4. Punisher (1989)
5. Steel

There are no worst comic movies than these 5 atrocities.

Wow, those 5 really are bad!!!

Icant believe no one has mentioned the darkman movies, Those movies are SHIT

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Icant believe no one has mentioned the darkman movies, Those movies are SHIT

The first Darkman was good imo. I liked it.

top

1. Spider-man
2.300
3.Spider-man 3
4.Batman Begins
5.Fantastic four! j/k it's V for Vendetta

bottom
5.Batman forever
4.Batman & Robin
3. Superman returns
2. Elektra
1. Nick Fury: Agent of Shield

Top 5:
5)X-men 1
4)X-men 2
3) batman begins
2) Fantastic Four
1)X-men 3

Bottom 5:

5) Goast Rider
4) Punisher
3) Superman Returns
2) Daredevil
1) Hulk

Originally posted by Dinalfos
This list will not include manga adaptations.

1: Spiderman 2
2: Hulk
3: A History of Violence
4: V For Vendetta
5: Spiderman
6: Hell boy
7: X2
8: X-Men
9: Ghost World (Didn't say superhero movie, did you?)
10: Daredevil DC

Runners up (no particular order): Batman Begins, 300, The Punisher 2005, X-men: TLS, Fantastic Four (Street), From Hell, Sin city.

Worst (I don't even want to order them):

Superman IV
Superman III
Electra
Cat Woman
Generation X
Shield
Super Girl
Superman the movie
Superman II
Batman Forever
Batman
Batman Returns
Captain America
Ghostrider
Spiderman 3
Fantastic Four (Corman)

My list is similiar to Dinalfos's.a lot of them havent even been mentioned I notice as either bad or good.

Best.
1.Superman 1 & 2.
2.Batman Begins
3.Dick Tracy
4.Conan The Barbarian
5.Road To perdition
6.Daredevil directors cut.

worst.
1.spider-man movies- obviously from my sig.
2.Catwoman
3.Supergirl
4.Batman Returns
5.Batman and Robin.

rounding out in the horrible movies list but in no particular order are
Superman 3
Superman 4 quest for peace.
Superman Returns.
Batman 89
Batman Forever
steel
captain america
sheena
red sonja.
Fantastic Four
The Hulk.
Conan The destroyer.

Movies i list in the middle of the road as in not horrible but not great either-just so so, are
sin city
V for vendetta
300
The Punisher
Elektra
Hellboy

Best:

1. Batman Begins
2. V For Vendetta
3. Spiderman 2
4. Superman Returns
5. X-men 2

Worst:

1. Catwoman
2. Elektra
3. X-men 3
4. Hulk
5. Daredevil

I stuck to everything 1998 and up. The list would be different if I included things from the 1940's and up

Best:
Blade
Blade ll;
X2
Spider-Man 2
Spider-Man
The Punisher(2004)
X-men

Worst:
Batman and Robin;
"Yew arr not zending mee too da cooola!"
Superman IV
Electra
Blade: Trinity
Captain America(1992)
Fantastic Four(1994)
Punisher(1989)

I don't like DC movies in general, actually, with Batman Begins as exception. That movie just kicked ass.

However, the only reason The Fantastic Four got in my top five was because of Jessica Alba. JESSICA ALBA !

Top 5:

1. X-Men 2
2. Batman Begins
3. Spiderman 2
4. the 300
5. The Fantastic Four


Bottom 5:

1. Hulk
2. Batman Forever
3. Batman Returns
4. Batman (first one)
5. Superman Returns

Top 5-
Spiderman
Spiderman 2
Spiderman 3
X-Men
X-Men 2

Bottom 5-
Hulk
V For Vendetta
Catwoman
Elektra
Blade

5 Best:
Punisher 04
Hulk
Batman 89
Batman Begins
Batman Returns

5 Worst:
Batman & Robin
Batman Forever
Fantastic Four
Catwomen
X-Men 3

Funny how there's Batman movies on both lists for many people.

and spider-man as well.

Top 5...
1.Batman Begins
2.Spiderman 1-3
3.Sin City
4.X-Men/X2
5.300

Bottom 5
1.Superman Returns
2.Hellboy
3.Elektra
4.Catwoman
5.Hulk

I think due to recent comic book movie releases it's time to reignite this thread and see what's changed for people.

My lists now go like this:

Top 5:

1. The Dark Knight
2. Ironman
3. Sin City
4. X-Men
5. V For Vendetta


Bottom 5:

5. Spiderman 2
4. Superman Returns
3. Batman and Robin
2. Spiderman 3
1. Catwoman

Top 5:

Batman Begins.
Iron Man.
300.
Sin City.
The Incredible Hulk/Spider-Man, haven't decided yet. Will re-post when I have.

Bottom:

Fantastic Four.
Fantastic Four 2.
X-Men/2/3 (Pick one).
Ghost Rider.
Catwoman.

-AC

1)The Dark Knight
2)Spiderman
3)Iron Man
4)The Incredible Hulk
5)Spiderman 2

Bottom 5

5)Hulk
4)Ghost Rider
3)Batman Forever
2)Superman Returns
1)Batman and Robin

Top Five

The Dark Knight
Batman Begins
Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk
300




Bottom Five

Hulk
Batman Forever
Batman and Robin
Fantastic 4
Superman 3

Best -

1. The Dark Knight
2. Iron Man
3. V for Vendetta
4. The Incredible Hulk
5. Hellboy II

Worst -

1. Nick Fury: Agent of Shield
2. Elektra
3. The Punisher (Dolph)
4. Batman and Robin (Nipple-suit)
5. Catwoman

And for the record, i did a quick tally and Catwoman is the undisputed worst comic-to-film movie ever. Based on how many times it appeared on the worst list for people in this thread.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Bottom:

X-Men/2/3 (Pick one).


Thats a first for me someone disliking all 3 X-men films i would've thought mostly the 3rd one since thats more hated on the internet



Suppose i better do the list

Top 5

1- The Dark Knight
2- Iron Man
3- The Incredible Hulk
4- Hellboy
5- Sin City

Bottom 5

1- Elektra
2- Batman and Robin
3- The Punisher (1989)
4- Superman 4
5- Batman (1966)

Best-Top 5
Dark Knight
Iron Man
300
Sin City
Xmen United

Worst-Bottom 5
Elektra
Batman and Robin
Superman Quest for Peace
Hulk( Ang Lee)
Spiderman 3

Top

1) The Dark Knight (easily, for so many reasons there is no need to elaborate on them)

2) V for Vendetta (another 'comic book' movie that did not even feel like one ....it was a great movie that just happened to be based on a comic)

3) Spiderman 1 (the reason why any great comic book movie in the future will be great ....inspiration from the first Spiderman movie, which broke the mould when it comes to how such movies are made)

4) Iron Man (very good vision, and it almost ...almost ....made the level where it stops being a great 'comic book' movie, and turn into a great movie that just happens to be based on comic books. However, it almost got there ....meaning it did not get there. It is, still, a great comic book movie)

5) Batman Begins (a seminal work, which only pales when compared to The Dark Knight. However, taken on its own it is a great movie, and more importantly in brought new life to the Batman movie genre, which had been turned by prior directors into a JOKE. No longer was Batman 'funny,' no longer did he have nipples, and no longer were his villains punks on skates. Batman was finally how he should have always been, and this movie brought about the fresh genesis).

I wanted to put 300 on the list ....REALLY wanted to, but to be honest with you I could not. It was a GREAT movie, and the action was perfect, but if you really think of it it was a direct version of the comic. It was not even an intepretation ....the comic was basically the still for the movie. Direct photocopy.
There is nothing wrong with that, and the movie was great (again ...it was great), but as a cinematic experience (and when compared to movies like the Dark Knight), it was like Chinese food ....very tasty, but not filling.
It was very linear, with no obtuse angles, and more of a movie that will pump you up.
Great movie, but to be honest it wasn't a V for Vendetta or a Dark Knight (both of which, even if largely based on comics ....V for Vendetta was quite close to the literary version ....were still INTEPRETATIONS and not moving photocopies of the comic).

But if there was a no. 6, that film would have been 300.


No need for the worst (although there are a number ....although I have to mention X-men 3 ....what they HECK were they smoking! While there are worse movies, I cannot believe how they mucked up a movie that should have been hard to muck up. You need to be gifted to muck things up that much!)

Top:

1. The Dark Knight
2. Batman Begins
3. 300
4. Incredible Hulk
5. X-Men 2

Very close to being 5th were:

Iron Man
V for Vendetta


Bottom:

1. Catwoman
2. Steel
3. Electra
4. Batman and Robin
5. Punisher (80's)

The Dark Knight.
Batman Begins.
V For Vendetta


Everything else just seems foolish, lackluster, and downright campy after that. Though I do consider a lot of the other films fun and cool, Batman has raised the bar too high to be approached by campy bash-em-ups.

Originally posted by Juntai
The Dark Knight.
Batman Begins.
V For Vendetta


Everything else just seems foolish, lackluster, and downright campy after that. Though I do consider a lot of the other films fun and cool, Batman has raised the bar too high to be approached by campy bash-em-ups. Iron Man is just slightly above Batman Begins and a couple nbotches below The Dark Knight.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Iron Man is just slightly above Batman Begins and a couple nbotches below The Dark Knight. Not in my book. It was one of my favorite adaptions, Marvel's best, imo...however, Begins was a far better movie in every direction, from acting standpoint, casting, director, plot, etc etc.

The Batman franchise is beyond approach of one liners, strung together fanboy moments, and flashy CGI. It's just great filmwork through and through.

Top Five:
- The Dark Knight
- Batman Begins
- Spider-Man 2
- X2
- Iron Man

Bottom Five:
- Batman Forever
- Batman and Robin
- Catwoman
- Elektra
- Steel

With new movie's it's time for an update

The Dark Knight
Iron man
Spiderman 2
Hellboy
Constantine

Catwoman
Fantastic four 2
x-men 3
Ninja Turtles 3
Batman and Robin

Originally posted by Juntai
Not in my book. It was one of my favorite adaptions, Marvel's best, imo...however, Begins was a far better movie in every direction, from acting standpoint, casting, director, plot, etc etc.

The Batman franchise is beyond approach of one liners, strung together fanboy moments, and flashy CGI. It's just great filmwork through and through.


casting?

come on, Robert Downey Jnr is the best casting in comicbook movie history

How is that funny ?

Originally posted by ScarletSpeed
casting?

come on, Robert Downey Jnr is the best casting in comicbook movie history

Best
The Dark Knight
Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk
300
Superman II(Specifically, the Donner cut)
Hellboy I/II
Sin City
Batmen (Burton)
X-Men
Spiderman
Wanted (Shaddap, I liked it)

Worst
Batmen (Schmuck)
Elektra
AvP
Spidey 3
Catwoman
Steel
Hulk
Blade: Trinity

Yeah, I didn't follow the rules....and, there's no particular order. Eh.

Originally posted by Juntai


Come on he was so perfect casting well for the role of tony stark anyway

The only better casting than Robert Downey Jr. was Patrick Stewart as Professor X.

Originally posted by jcvaldez
The only better casting than Robert Downey Jr. was Patrick Stewart as Professor X.

Oh yeah. That's the one casting choice that never changed throughout all those years of production hell for X-Men.

I think Iron Man had better casting, although. I definitely think Robert Downey, Jr. plays Tony Stark better than Christian Bale plays Bruce Wayne.

Originally posted by ScarletSpeed
casting?

come on, Robert Downey Jnr is the best casting in comicbook movie history Well depends on what you mean by casting. Downey Jr. looks the most alike the character he's playing out of all character's in all comic based movies but Heath Ledger gave the best performance.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Oh yeah. That's the one casting choice that never changed throughout all those years of production hell for X-Men.

I think Iron Man had better casting, although. I definitely think Robert Downey, Jr. plays Tony Stark better than Christian Bale plays Bruce Wayne. I don't think so. Bale nailed it pretty hard as Wayne in The Dark Knight. Although Stark is generally a m ore interesting character.

Best:
Batman & Robin
Steel
Elektra
Catwoman
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3

Worst:
The Dark Knight
Batman Begins
Iron Man
V For Vendetta
Sin City

Best

1. V for Vendetta
2. Ironman
3. 300
4. Batman Dark Knight
5. Road To Perdition/X-Men/The Crow/Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

Worst

1. Batman Returns
2. Catwoman
3. Batman and Robin
4. Fantastic 4
5. Steel


and just to add...

Looking forward to

Wolverine (DEADPOOL)
Thor
Watchmen

Top 5
1. Spider-Man 2
2. The Dark Knight
3. Iron Man
4. Spider-Man
5. The Incredible Hulk

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Oh yeah. That's the one casting choice that never changed throughout all those years of production hell for X-Men.

I think Iron Man had better casting, although. I definitely think Robert Downey, Jr. plays Tony Stark better than Christian Bale plays Bruce Wayne. Casting isn't one character, Batman had a full load across the board casting-wise. Perfect casting in every direction.

Clearly the talent in Batman movies is a landslide comparatively, when the primary Iron Man actor couldn't out-act any of a dozen support characters, let alone the main characters in Batman.

I'm talking about acting, not cheesy one-liners.


Bale
Ledger
Micheal Cane
Liam Neeson
Morgan Freeman
Gary Oldman
Ken Watanabe
All are far better actors.


Iron man was great, I loved the movie, but in every way you can critique a movie, from acting, directing, soundtrack, cinematography, dialogue, complexity, etc.. both Batman movies were far superior to any other in the "superhero movie" genre, so far that movies like Iron Man and Xmen and Hulk belong closer to Catwoman and Electra than they do to Batman Begins and Dark Knight. Period.

Originally posted by Juntai
so far that movies like Iron Man and Xmen and Hulk belong closer to Catwoman and Electra

Nows that ****ing ridiculous

Originally posted by Kazenji
Nows that ****ing ridiculous Out of context it might, I think they were far more enjoyable movies, however what I said remains true.

Originally posted by Juntai
Iron man was great, I loved the movie, but in every way you can critique a movie, from acting, directing, soundtrack, cinematography, dialogue, complexity, etc.. both Batman movies were far superior to any other in the "superhero movie" genre, so far that movies like Iron Man and Xmen and Hulk belong closer to Catwoman and Electra than they do to Batman Begins and Dark Knight. Period.
Now there's a fanboy.

Originally posted by Juntai
Out of context it might, I think they were far more enjoyable movies, however what I said remains true.

But its a stupid logic

Just because you've now seen The dark knight your now expecting the same quality from Marvel.......................good luck on that.

Originally posted by Kazenji
But its a stupid logic

Just because you've now seen The dark knight your now expecting the same quality from Marvel.......................good luck on that. Entirely what I was saying, they haven't matched the quality of Batman Begins or Dark Knight.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Now there's a fanboy. Are you wanting to debate how any of those were superior in those movie-critiquing categories?

Or even make an attempt to refute what I said?

Originally posted by Juntai

the primary Iron Man actor couldn't out-act any of a dozen support characters



Remember Downey was nominated for an Academy Award for Chaplin... just saying. Give him some more credit, he is a better actor than Bale, Cain and Freeman. Ledger and Oldman are head and shoulders above most actors.

As far as Dark Knight being superior to every other movie in the categories YOU chose to compare them in, remember that IronMan was the first movie, the origin movie if you will, like Batman Begins was. Dark Knight was superior to it because it didn't need to go into the whole backstory of the main characters, IronMan did. Don't get me wrong, I LOVED Dark Knight. It was my favorite movie this year and perhaps ever in the Comic Book genre, BUT I can't be unfair. IronMan was better than Batman Begins as far as origin movies go, as a whole movie, because it was fresh and had nothing done previously. Unfortunately for Batman Begins it had the tougher task of washing the bad taste of Schumaker's Batmans from out palates. Once it accomplished that, it was free to make The Dark Knight the great movie it is.

Remember before ANY of these movies came out back in the late 90's early 2000's? The first movie that made it OK to like comic book movies again was the original X-Men. Maybe it didn't have the acting talent the caliber of TDK, but it had elements never before "wasted" on a movie like it. When I first saw that Bryan Singer incorporated Nazi camps I KNEW this movie was different. I have to give it props because for the first time a comic book movie was delving into the psyche of characters. Who would have cared if it hurt Logan when the nails came out before that movie? Today's movies owe alot to that. No one would have delved into the mind of Bruce Wayne like these last two movies did beforehand. Just remember where this came from.

PEACE

Originally posted by Juntai

Iron man was great, I loved the movie, but in every way you can critique a movie, from acting, directing, soundtrack, cinematography, dialogue, complexity, etc.. both Batman movies were far superior to any other in the "superhero movie" genre, so far that movies like Iron Man and Xmen and Hulk belong closer to Catwoman and Electra than they do to Batman Begins and Dark Knight. Period.
WHAT A DAMN FANBOY!

Originally posted by Juntai
Casting isn't one character, Batman had a full load across the board casting-wise. Perfect casting in every direction.

Clearly the talent in Batman movies is a landslide comparatively, when the primary Iron Man actor couldn't out-act any of a dozen support characters, let alone the main characters in Batman.

I'm talking about acting, not cheesy one-liners.


Bale
Ledger
Micheal Cane
Liam Neeson
Morgan Freeman
Gary Oldman
Ken Watanabe
All are far better actors.



Just because the movie had more actors doesn't mean it had better casting. While Caine and Freeman were perfect, they are pretty much perfect in every movie, so it's hard to judge them in any way. Neeson was solid as was Oldman, although he was a little under-utilized. Bale, while solid although, didn't nail Bruce Wayne as much as I would have liked him to. Watanabe was completely wasted as he wasn't in the movie for very long, and we all know the disaster Katie Holmes was.

As for Iron Man, Downey Jr. was absolutely perfect as Stark, which carries so much weight since he's in 90% of the movie. Jeff Bridges was very surprising and did an excellent job hiding his duplicity until it was finally revealed. Terrance Howard did a solid job as Rhoades, and even Gwyneth Paltrow, whom I normally despise, was very effective in the film.

That's my opinion.

Originally posted by SpaceMonkey
Remember Downey was nominated for an Academy Award for Chaplin... just saying. Give him some more credit, he is a better actor than Bale, Cain and Freeman. Ledger and Oldman are head and shoulders above most actors. You lost me right there. Your credibility sank once I read that.
Sir Michael Cain is one of the best actors of all time.
So is Morgan Freeman.

Originally posted by SpaceMonkey
Remember Downey was nominated for an Academy Award for Chaplin... just saying. Give him some more credit, he is a better actor than Bale, Cain and Freeman. Ledger and Oldman are head and shoulders above most actors.


I just read this. I completely agree with Juntai. Caine and Freeman are two of the greatest actors ever. Robert Downey, Jr. still has a ways to go to be as good as these legends are.

Freeman always plays the same character.... he's the black Jack Nicholson. Very overrated. Michael Caine, sir or no sir, is better than that, but I am talking about him TODAY. His range is playing a british man. PERIOD. What's so great about that? He might have had better roles and characters in the past but I am speaking of today, 2008.

As far as my credibility goes, good thing I don't care what you think about it, Juntai. Otherwise, I'd be devastated.

Originally posted by SpaceMonkey
Freeman always plays the same character.... he's the black Jack Nicholson. Very overrated. Michael Caine, sir or no sir, is better than that, but I am talking about him TODAY. His range is playing a british man. PERIOD. What's so great about that? He might have had better roles and characters in the past but I am speaking of today, 2008.
Really, you're talking about recent stuff? Because I thought you were talking about;

Chaplin was 1992, and he's better than none of the three.

For sake of comparison; Michael Caine won a Golden Globe for Little Voice in 98, Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor in 1999 - Cider House Rules and nominated again for Best Leading role in 2002 for The Quiet American.

All more recent.

In fact that's not even the half of it. He's been nominated or won nearly as many awards as Robert Downey has been in movies.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000323/awards


Morgan Freeman being over-rated is clearly your opinion, and a bad one at that. Morgan Freeman has won an Academy Award as recently as 2005, among a host of other nominations and honors he's recieved. - As opposed to a nomination in 1992.

Name 10 good movies starring Robert Downey, and I'll do the same for Morgan Freeman, and we'll see what people think were better movies, or who's had the better career? It's comparable since they both entered the media around the same year.

And even Bale is arguable, despite not having been Nominated by the Academy yet, is known as one of the best and hardest working actors around, and has a very good portfolio even just in the last few years, having been in 3:10 to Yuma, The Pestige, The Dark Knight/Batman Begins, Harsh Times, Rescue Dawn, and The Machinist among others. Many of his characters have completely different accents, character traits, are in different time periods, and even have a different physique, looking at him in Machinist, then Batman then the Prestige. Once again, he's been in far better roles, and far better movies in Downey Jr.

Prior to Ironman, what was the last must-see that features Roberty Downey? Kiss Kiss Bang Bang in 05? And before that? Something in the early 90s?

I appologize for that, I was in a hurry and worded it differently than I would have liked, it meant to say you're credibility on the SUBJECT sank when I read that, and I stopped reading your reply. You might very well be a good fellow.

Originally posted by Val-E-Doosh
WHAT A DAMN FANBOY! stfu.

Couple of things.... you take this place too seriously, dude. Haha

OK, I will admit I admire your research skills. Let me say this, as far as acting in this genre, Downey did a better job than Freeman, who was just being Freeman. Cain has received those accolades, but he has had better material to work with. Downey is underrated because of his personal problems. Cain did not do a great job, he just played a british butler... not much to work with there.

Alas, I have been bested... 'tis a rare feat, but I underestimated you. I am Man enough to admit it. Makes me have to work more on my next argument.

Originally posted by SpaceMonkey
Couple of things.... you take this place too seriously, dude. Haha

OK, I will admit I admire your research skills. Let me say this, as far as acting in this genre, Downey did a better job than Freeman, who was just being Freeman. Cain has received those accolades, but he has had better material to work with. Downey is underrated because of his personal problems. Cain did not do a great job, he just played a british butler... not much to work with there.

Alas, I have been bested... 'tis a rare feat, but I underestimated you. I am Man enough to admit it. Makes me have to work more on my next argument. I'm completely looking forward to what Robert Downey Jr does from this point forward, it's likely after Ironman he'll be in blockbuster after blockbuster, like the 3 mentioned above. Now that Hollywood thinks it can make money off of him again. And his new movie with Ben Stiller looks hilarious.

Originally posted by Juntai
stfu.

As far as origin stories go I agree that Iron Man>Batman Begins.

1.dark knight
2.X-men 2
3.Sin City
4.V for Vendetta
5.Superman returns

5.Ghost rider GR & ELK didnt actually bother me but they
4.Elektra were nothing special.
3.Superman 3
2.Batman Forever
1.Batman & Robin

Top 5 - no order

Ironman
Blade 98'
TDK
Sin City
X2 - if just for Night Crawlers fantastic opening - tie it with Spider-man 2.

Bottom 5 -

Blade 3 - (National Lampoons Blade)
Spider-man 3 (the musical that it is)
Elektra

Cat Woman was BAED

Honourable mention (would be tops) -
300 for artistic achievement
X1 just because
Hulk 03 because he was a beast like he should be
Hulk 08 for Super soldier backstory leading to the avengers franchise, all going towards making a good story.