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Ultimate versus 616 baby

Location : Earth Orbit

Ready FIGHT !!!!

It's been done

And Galactus wins every single time ^^

Done before, the original wins

Yah Grey use the search function....

Originally posted by endrict
Yah Grey use the search function....

But it sucks. Badly.

Originally posted by grey fox
But it sucks. Badly.

teh big lak tus falls

yup....

Originally posted by grey fox
But it sucks. Badly.

Yeah.

can some post a good full scan of Gah Lak Tus...I keep seeing retarted pictures of him.

Didn't Gah Lak Tus survive a Big Bang explosion?

I remember Reed harnessing the Big Bang of a Universe, and using it as a Bomb basically.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Didn't Gah Lak Tus survive a Big Bang explosion?

I remember Reed harnessing the Big Bang of a Universe, and using it as a Bomb basically.

I don't think he shot the whole energy of a big bang at the TehBigPoser

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I don't think he shot the whole energy of a big bang at the TehBigPoser

Actually he did.


http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/9524/reedmakesbigbang8ty.th.jpg

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/1517/reedmakesbigbang25ji.th.jpg

http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/6476/reedmakesbigbang38sm.th.jpg

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7981/reedmakesbigbang43pu.th.jpg


That Big Bang Bomb only destroyed about 20% of Gah Lak Tus.

Must have been a pretty pathetic universe

A BigBang would contain all the energy of a universe. A blast like that should have literally taken out the entire universe.

Yes but he said it was a baby universe, so the Big Bang was much smaller than an average one

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Yes but he said it was a baby universe, so the Big Bang was much smaller than an average one

Which makes the feat useless.

All we can say about that bomb is:

TsarBomba << Reed's Bomb << A normal BigBang

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Must have been a pretty pathetic universe

Just another Universe.


Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A BigBang would contain all the energy of a universe. A blast like that should have literally taken out the entire universe.

It was used as a direct beam, not an all encompassing blast.


Originally posted by Endless Mike
Yes but he said it was a baby universe, so the Big Bang was much smaller than an average one

It was only a baby Universe cause it hadn't had it's First Big Bang yet.

Reed never said it was a pocket Universe,

but a Universe in the Multiversal Stack.


Every Universe in the Multiverse goes through a Big Bang at some point, some Universes have already reached that climax, others have not, hence the "baby" universe term.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Which makes the feat useless.

All we can say about that bomb is:

TsarBomba << Reed's Bomb << A normal BigBang

I disagree.

Originally posted by Mr Master

It was used as a direct beam, not an all encompassing blast.


Then why did you use the word BOMB

OK that changes the feat immensely then. A directed energy weapon with a huge amount of energy is in no way similar to a blast with the same energy.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Then why did you use the word BOMB

My bad.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
OK that changes the feat immensely then.

I just flipped some pages and realized it was an actual Big Bang.

It was the Big Bang that atually creates a Universe.

So it wasn't a Universe as I thought that hadn't reached it's Big Bang, (in terms of recycling) but instead it was a vast area of Space filled with the Gases that explode into a full blown New Universe.


This area of Space was located deep in the Multiverse,

where Universes/Gases are still waiting to Big Bang into adulthood.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A directed energy weapon with a huge amount of energy is in no way similar to a blast with the same energy.

What's the difference if the source of energy is the same?

Except that before a Big Bang there are no gases - energy is far too compressed to form gasses or even matter until thousands of years after the Big Bang

Because in one case it will annihilate everything and in the other case there's a possibility of it skimming it's target.

Originally posted by Mr Master
What's the difference if the source of energy is the same?

A bullet can stike me with incredible force and destroy a good portion of my body.

A bomb can explode with the same force and incinerate me.


There's a world of difference between an explosion and an energy beam since a directed weapon can only destroy part of the target and a bomb sends the blast in all directions.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Except that before a Big Bang there are no gases - energy is far too compressed to form gasses or even matter until thousands of years after the Big Bang

That's how the issue describes it.

It was a Universe waiting for it's Big Bang (to be born I presume)

So when the Big Bang came,

it was the same Big Bang that occurs before any and every Universe is born in Marvel comics.

That Reed harnessed a Universal Big Bang and used it as a concentrated beam,

20% of Gah Lak Tus was destroyed.


This Gah Lak Tus is pretty tuff.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Because in one case it will annihilate everything and in the other case there's a possibility of it skimming it's target.

It was a direct hit,

in this case.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A bullet can stike me with incredible force and destroy a good portion of my body.

A bomb can explode with the same force and incinerate me.


There's a world of difference between an explosion and an energy beam since a directed weapon can only destroy part of the target and a bomb sends the blast in all directions.

Makes sense.

But like I said,

it was a direct hit, and for only 20% of Gah Lak Tus to be destroyed,

after being shot with a Universal Big Bang,

one must admit, is impressive, regardless of the dynamics concerning trajectories of sorts.

From my perspective is looked as if the universe was a room full of gas and the Nuke was a spark. Reed just harnessed the boom into a adequate weapon.

But the thing is, Gah Lak Tus is a huge armada. NO beam is going to take of the totality of it. Only the part that gets hit will be destroyed... In this case it was like a big ring around the Earth.

Every section that got hit, got destroyed. There's no durability feat at all, it just shows that Gah Lak Tus can lose 20% of it's ships without being hurt as a whole.

Originally posted by grey fox
From my perspective is looked as if the universe was a room full of gas and the Nuke was a spark. Reed just harnessed the boom into a adequate weapon.

According to the issue that "baby" Universe's Big Bang was set off.

The same Big Bang that transforms those gases (baby universe) into a New whole Universe.

Originally posted by King Kandy
But the thing is, Gah Lak Tus is a huge armada. NO beam is going to take of the totality of it. Only the part that gets hit will be destroyed... In this case it was like a big ring around the Earth.

Every section that got hit, got destroyed. There's no durability feat at all, it just shows that Gah Lak Tus can lose 20% of it's ships without being hurt as a whole.

I'll agree.

I overlooked the fact that this isn't an Entity with a single form.


Reed still harnessed that Big Bang though. (however he did it, he did)

So our hats should go off to this Alternate Reed.

Annihilation Wave type of fight.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually he did.


http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/9524/reedmakesbigbang8ty.th.jpg

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/1517/reedmakesbigbang25ji.th.jpg

http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/6476/reedmakesbigbang38sm.th.jpg

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7981/reedmakesbigbang43pu.th.jpg


That Big Bang Bomb only destroyed about 20% of Gah Lak Tus.

I believe that is that universe version of the UN the 616 (galactus UN) is far more powerful.

Galactus run on Gah Lak Us with is own ship for the win.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I believe that is that universe version of the UN the 616 (galactus UN) is far more powerful.

The UN?

Ultimate Nullifier

Originally posted by Mr Master
The UN?

There version of the ultimate nullifier. And even though 20% was destroyed it wasn't a fatal wound far from actually it was just as much the psychic assault by Jean and Professor X that drew of Gah Lak Tus.

Originally posted by grey fox
Ultimate Nullifier

I know, but since the Ultimate Nullifier has absolutely nothing to do with those scans,

I had to ask.

again I think it is there version of the ultimate nullifier.

:I believe that is that universe version of the UN :

Originally posted by Utrigita
There version of the ultimate nullifier. And even though 20% was destroyed it wasn't a fatal wound far from actually it was just as much the psychic assault by Jean and Professor X that drew of Gah Lak Tus.

I have no idea what you're talking about friend.

The UN is not in this story.

That was a Big Bang explosiong Reed harnessed, to use as a weapon against GLT.

If the Gah Lak Tus enitity had all the armada-bots line up over the weapon it would have taken out alot more than 20% of it. The fact that Gah Lak Tus was spread out like a chain around earth's orbit is what saved it from total destruction.

IMO the Gah Lak Tus enitity was evil (fueled by hate for organic life) whereas Galactus does as Galactus does. He must feed and that is the way of the universe.

Galactus 9/10

Originally posted by Mr Master
I have no idea what you're talking about friend.

The UN is not in this story.

That was a Big Bang explosiong Reed harnessed, to use as a weapon against GLT.

its okay pure speculations

If you ask me 616 Surfer could have taken out Gah Lak Tus himself.

it is approximately 100.000 miles long

agree with the surfer comment.

What Utrigita is trying to say is that he believes the 'Big Bang Gun' to be the Ultimate version of the Ultimate Nullifier.

He is correct.

Originally posted by grey fox
What Utrigita is trying to say is that he believes the 'Big Bang Gun' to be the Ultimate version of the Ultimate Nullifier.

He is correct.

Where is this stated?

Is this from another issue?

Cause the Big Bang Reed harnessed had nothing to do with the UN,

in this particular story.

I believe it was briefly mentioned in the #5 as a weapon that in the 616 would basically have been the same as the UN therefore I concluded that it is just a alternate version of the UN, they apperantly have anything that marvel does but different, so when Gah Lak Thus is a big fat fleet of hive minded beings then the UN which in 616 is very small in comparison with Galactus just as the Canon used in the ultimate marvel is very small in comparison with Gah Lak Thus.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I believe it was briefly mentioned in the #5 as a weapon that in the 616 would basically have been the same as the UN therefore I concluded that it is just a alternate version of the UN,

I'll re-read #5 now, cause I don't recall.

Originally posted by Utrigita
they apperantly have anything that marvel does but different,

Actually they're both from the Marvel Multiverse.

While it's true Alternate Universes have differences in History and or appearance concerning characters, there are some things that just don't change.

The UN in Earth X, (Alternate Universe) exactly the same as the one in 616.


Also, the Big Bang Reed harnessed was from another Universe all together, "way up the Multiversal Stack" so how is it connected to GLT like the UN is to 616 Galactus?

By that logic in order to use the UN in this Ultimate Universe, you need to first harness a Universal Big Bang that hasn't occured yet?

I have to disagree.


I'll read #5, and see what exactly was said, and I'll post it.

Originally posted by Utrigita
so when Gah Lak Thus is a big fat fleet of hive minded beings then the UN which in 616 is very small in comparison with Galactus just as the Canon used in the ultimate marvel is very small in comparison with Gah Lak Thus.

I don't see this.

See the UN is a part of Galactus , (IE : Giant human Galactus) that's why their all the same shape. BUT , because ultimate is lacking a Galactus they have their own variation upon it.

Originally posted by grey fox
See the UN is a part of Galactus , (IE : Giant human Galactus) that's why their all the same shape. BUT , because ultimate is lacking a Galactus they have their own variation upon it.

I'm half way through #5, still haven't come across the UN reference,

but I'll keep you posted.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm half way through #5, still haven't come across the UN reference,

but I'll keep you posted.

They dont literally refer to it as the UN , i think the writer did though.

Originally posted by grey fox
They dont literally refer to it as the UN ,

You're right cause I just finished and there was never a mention or reference,

or even an alluding to the UN.

Originally posted by grey fox
i think the writer did though.

I'm not going to go nuts on google looking for that.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/juggernaut66666/4-6.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/juggernaut66666/5-6.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/juggernaut66666/6-5.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/juggernaut66666/7-5.jpg



ftw.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're right cause I just finished and there was never a mention or reference,

or even an alluding to the UN.



I'm not going to go nuts on google looking for that.

I also said that it was something that I concluded it must have been.

But you can always go tjeck out google the writers says that was the meaning of the weapon to work like the UN give me some time and I will dig it up (sooner ore later probably later)

It's not that hard to think about...

Utrigita basically is saying, that if there was an Ultimate version of the UN, then Reed's Big Bang thing, would be the UN.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
It's not that hard to think about...

Utrigita basically is saying, that if there was an Ultimate version of the UN, then Reed's Big Bang thing, would be the UN.

It's not that it's hard to think about, it's that it's simply not true.

The Big Bang bomb was ... well exactly that, a Big Bang bomb.

The UN is the UN.


Saying the Ultimate version of the UN is that Big Bang bomb is unsupported speculation at best.

I have to do some research concerning this Ultimate verse,

how is the Universal balance held in check there?

Is Gah Lak Tus is just some name, or is this Space armada a sibling of Eternity and Death?


Perhaps there is No UN is his Alternate Reality, after all, Alternate Universes are not identical to 616.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It's not that it's hard to think about, it's that it's simply not true.

The Big Bang bomb was ... well exactly that, a Big Bang bomb.

The UN is the UN.


Saying the Ultimate version of the UN is that Big Bang bomb is unsupported speculation at best. From what I gathered, Utriga isn't comparing the two power-wise.

He is just saying the big bang gun, is the Ultimate Universes version of the UN.

Originally posted by Galan007
From what I gathered, Utriga isn't comparing the two power-wise.

I never thought that.

Originally posted by Galan007
He is just saying the big bang gun, is the Ultimate Universes version of the UN.

As Big already pointed out as Utrigita has been saying, and again,

that's not true.

The Big Bang of that Universe had absolutely nothing to do with the UN,

in anyway shape or form.

Originally posted by Mr Master
As Big already pointed out as Utrigita has been saying, and again,

that's not true.

The Big Bang of that Universe had absolutely nothing to do with the UN,

in anyway shape or form. Never said that's what they called it.

Just said that's what it may have been comparable to.

Originally posted by Galan007
Never said that's what they called it.

I know.

Originally posted by Galan007
Just said that's what it may have been comparable to.

No chance.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I never thought that.



As Big already pointed out as Utrigita has been saying, and again,

that's not true.

The Big Bang of that Universe had absolutely nothing to do with the UN,

in anyway shape or form.

And why is it that it isn't true ???

It can just as well be the alternate version.

You are comparing the UN that can erase and remake Multiverses with my alternate version of the UN.

Again I am only speculating that it, given a little thought and speculation, must have been the alternate universes version of the UN.

Originally posted by Utrigita
And why is it that it isn't true ???

It can just as well be the alternate version.

You are comparing the UN that can erase and remake Multiverses with my alternate version of the UN.

Again I am only speculating that it, given a little thought and speculation, must have been the alternate universes version of the UN. I agree.


The big bang gun could absolutely be the Ultimate Universes version of the UN.

.

Originally posted by Utrigita
And why is it that it isn't true ???

Cause it isn't.

If you have any kind of proof,

do show or tell.

Originally posted by Utrigita
It can just as well be the alternate version.

No it could not.

It was the Big Bang of a young Universe, nothing more,

which had absolutely nothing to do with the UN, in any way.


This is kinda funny actually,

you're forcing yourself to believe it is or Could've been the Ultimate Universe's UN,

when On Panel Reed used the biggest H-Bomb to set off a Big Bang prematurely.


UN?

UN what?

So you think the UN might've been the premature Big Bang,

or the H-Bomb used to initiate it?

Originally posted by Utrigita
You are comparing the UN that can erase and remake Multiverses with my alternate version of the UN.

I'm not comparing any UN,

I Know that wasn't the UN, or any kind of UN,

not now not ever.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Again I am only speculating that it, given a little thought and speculation, must have been the alternate universes version of the UN.

I agree, you're speculating aimlessly.

"must have been the AU version of the UN"

Is an unsupported overstatement.


But if you have proof that just hints to this being a reality,

I'll concede.


But you should concede to what I'm saying if you don't have any,

especially considering that what I'm saying is straight from the Comic,

as it happened On Panel.

Originally posted by Galan007
I agree.

The big bang gun could absolutely be the Ultimate Universes version of the UN.

No chance.

Originally posted by Galan007
.

Still, no chance.

Originally posted by Mr Master
No chance.

Still, no chance. In your opinion.

Originally posted by Galan007
In your opinion.

In Marvel's actually, and more specifically in Ultimate Extinction's

I presented the On Panel evidence of what occured and what was used against Gah Lak Tus,

if you can disprove the On Panel proof, by all means, do so.

Not with an opinion like my scans straight from the Comic book.

But with facts from ... well I don't know a better source than the issue itself but,

you'l figure it out. shifty

Originally posted by Mr Master
In Marvel's actually, and more specifically in Ultimate Extinction's

I presented the On Panel evidence of what occured and what was used against Gah Lak Tus,

if you can disprove the On Panel proof, by all means, do so.

Not with an opinion like my scans straight from the Comic book.

But with facts from ... well I don't know a better source than the issue itself but,

you'l figure it out. shifty Point out to me where I said the big bang gun was referred to as the UN.


I'll save you the time looking, because I didn't say anything of the sort.


I merely remarked that I could definitely agree with the gun being seen as the "ultimate" version of the UN.

Originally posted by Galan007
Point out to me where I said the big bang gun was referred to as the UN.

UT said:
Originally posted by Utrigita
Again I am only speculating that it, given a little thought and speculation,

must have been the alternate universes version of the UN.

You respond:
Originally posted by Galan007
I agree.


The big bang gun could absolutely be the Ultimate Universes version of the UN.

.

My reply:

"No chance" (in terms of power, role or Term)

You then come back with:
Originally posted by Galan007
In your opinion.

So this must mean you really believe the Big Bang in some way (whatever it may be)

resembles the UN or is the Ultimate Universe's UN.


Which isn't a reality no matter how we put it.

Originally posted by Galan007
I merely remarked that I could definitely agree with the gun being seen as the "ultimate" version of the UN.

It wasn't a gun or a Big Bang gun btw,

it was the biggest H-bomb on Earth sent to a baby Universe, the Bomb was set off in that Universe, igniting it's Big Bang, then through the same portal the H-bomb was sent which was opened from that Universe to the Ultimate Universe, the Big Bang explosion was directed at GLT.

Now,

if you wish to see that as the anything similar to the UN, fine.

But for the record, it had nothing to do with any kind of UN, and in fact,

it did not resemble the UN in any way either.

Originally posted by grey fox
But it sucks. Badly.

I just typed in "Galactus Gah Lak" and got this immediately.

Originally posted by Mr Master
UT said:


You respond:


My reply:

"No chance" (in terms of power, role or Term)

You then come back with:


So this must mean you really believe the Big Bang in some way (whatever it may be)

resembles the UN or is the Ultimate Universe's UN.Did you miss the part where I said "could"?


Here it is:
Originally posted by Galan007
I agree.


The big bang gun could absolutely be the Ultimate Universes version of the UN.

. Sorry to disappoint, but I never said they were the same thing, or even close to the same thing.


Just that I "could" see the big bang weapon titled as the UN.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Now,

if you wish to see that as the anything similar to the UN, fine.I said,

I "could" see it that way.

Originally posted by Mr Master
it did not resemble the UN in any way either. Appearance has nothing to do with this.

Nor does overall power.

Nor does role in the Universe.



Just the term.

Originally posted by Galan007
Did you miss the part where I said "could"?

I know you said that friend,

and I said still no chance.

That's what I meant, that no matter what, it is not the UN in any form,

that it "could" never be.

Originally posted by Galan007
Just that I "could" see the big bang weapon titled as the UN.
I said,

I "could" see it that way.

So it's an observation based on a personal view.

So why didn't ya just say that.

Originally posted by Galan007
Appearance has nothing to do with this.

"In any way" not just appearance.

But I got where you're coming from.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So it's an observation based on a personal view.

So why didn't ya just say that. Exactly.

Never said it was called that, never said they were comparable what so ever, just said I saw how the big bang weapon could be viewed as a UN of sorts

given how the ult. marvelverse changes around things, (case in point: Gah Lak Tus, ult. Sinister, Green Goblin, etc) it's not outside the realm of possibility that the 'big bang' gun is the ultimate universe version of the UN. After all, everything seems to be weaker in the ultimate marvelverse. But, Mr. Master is right that no concrete proof either way has been delivered.

As for the fight,

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/1461/1170391520575tu8.jpg

Nuff said.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
After all, everything seems to be weaker in the ultimate marvelverse. I disagree.

Many of the "Ultimate" characters are much more powerful then their 616 counterparts.

Like? The hulk example doesn't count, Adamantium in the ult universe is weaker.

Very early I said that it was speculation on my part, and that I myself believed that the Weapon that was used against Gah Lak Thus was the alternate Version of the UN, I said nothing about power output I only remarked that IIIIIIII speculated it to be there version of the UN, Now if you are finding that downright wrong that is your openion but you have no concrete evidence that can support you saying that it for 100% certainty wasn't there version of the UN.

I think this Gun may be a "Homage" to the UN.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Now if you are finding that downright wrong that is your openion but you have no concrete evidence that can support you saying that it for 100% certainty wasn't there version of the UN.

As you wish.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I think this Gun may be a "Homage" to the UN.

What Gun?

Didn't what to search on Google for it any longer so just wrote the writer a letter (that would be Warren)

From: <[email protected]>
Sendt : 18. maj 2007 22:59:19
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: The Ultimate Extinction a simple question

In a message dated 18/05/2007 21:35:31 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes:

(question)
I claim that you
meant for that Gun to be the alternate version of the classic ultimate
nullifier,
(answer)
Yes.

Will just fast it forward to you Mr Master

Okay I couldn't you have blocked it, can you send me your Email over a PM then I will just fast it forward to you

( I just love being right )

I've also seen ellis confirming that he meant it to be an homage of sorts to the ultimate nullifier.

however there's also talk that ultimate thanos is having ultimate reed build an actual "ultimate" ultimate nullifier.

Galactus vs. Gah Lak Tus
Hunger #1
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/Hunger2013-001-015_zps131bc95b.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/Hunger2013-001-016_zpsbc2f0165.jpg
3. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/Hunger2013-001-017_zpse18ccda9.jpg
4. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/Hunger2013-001-018_zps860ff8e8.jpg

galactus...won? he's the more dominant according to the way he ordered the other things around

They had Cosmic Coitus.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
galactus...won? he's the more dominant according to the way he ordered the other things around
He apparently merged with them and turned them into his new heralds. At least that's what I can glean going by those scans.

i know but in terms of who's the boss, it looks like 616 galactus is the more dominant

That much has been pretty clear for the last 2-3 years or so now.

Now that the Celestials have officially taken over the pedestal of the "Cosmic Jobber", it leaves Galactus freer to engage in scenes of pure badassery.

This could yet be a false dawn. He's had moments when it seemed that Marvel had finally begun to write him to his proper stature (Annihilation and somewhat backhandedly with the Galactus Engine) and then he's been irrelevant in CK's big day out and also resurrected by Franklin.

One thing and one thing only is certain in Marvel's Universe. Hulk.Is.The.Strongest.One.There.Is.

Originally posted by janus77
somewhat backhandedly with the Galactus Engine
Backhandedly? Dude remained in fight even after an extended period of time combating the GE and the other cancerverse creatures, long after the other cosmics had fled.

That's as good a showing as one can get.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Backhandedly? Dude remained in fight even after an extended period of time combating the GE and the other cancerverse creatures, long after the other cosmics had fled.

That's as good a showing as one can get.
They actually showed bugger all... He was floating about, a few blasts, Surfer talking about how Galactus and the Celestials were fighting the Cancerverse on many levels and basically that was it.

Nothing really in terms of him tanking blasts or serious focussed attacks, nothing of him decimating their side, even momentarily, like say a huge solar system destroying blast...

Galactus' high end feats have been reduced to this? A few measly panels where he survives longer than other entities and isn't particularly having any success...

What happened to shaking the universe or endangering everything with his hunger?

Not at all impressed. Even the Scrier stuff was more impressive, atleast on the hyperbolic level.

Originally posted by janus77
They actually showed bugger all... He was floating about, a few blasts, Surfer talking about how Galactus and the Celestials were fighting the Cancerverse on many levels and basically that was it.

Nothing really in terms of him tanking blasts or serious focussed attacks, nothing of him decimating their side, even momentarily, like say a huge solar system destroying blast...

Galactus' high end feats have been reduced to this? A few measly panels where he survives longer than other entities and isn't particularly having any success...

What happened to shaking the universe or endangering everything with his hunger?

Not at all impressed. Even the Scrier stuff was more impressive, atleast on the hyperbolic level.
He was the last man standing against a being that forced all the other cosmic beings to retreat, among them guys like Arishem, Ziran, Tenebrous etc.

You're on dope if you legitimately think that this isn't one of his most impressive showings in an entire decade or so.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He was the last man standing against a being that forced all the other cosmic beings to retreat, among them guys like Arishem, Ziran, Tenebrous etc.

You're on dope if you legitimately think that this isn't one of his most impressive showings in an entire decade or so.
Nope, just not impressed by something that appeared largely off-panel.

Yes Aegis died, on-panel, after a direct attack from them but what direct attack did Galactus endure? What actually did he do?

It'd be the equivalent of Hawkeye or IM being the last man standing after The Avengers get decimated by Thanos. It's not that he's been awesome and resisted everything Thanos threw at him, it's just that he wasn't the focal point of Thanos' efforts.

I was hoping to see Galactus actually confront the GE for a few panels (at the least) and make some headway, nothing happened.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He was the last man standing against a being that forced all the other cosmic beings to retreat, among them guys like Arishem, Ziran, Tenebrous etc.

You're on dope if you legitimately think that this isn't one of his most impressive showings in an entire decade or so.

And he was still at that point of time not completely overcome by the GE, but actually managed to fight it by himself. With Surfer still having faith in Galactus defeating the GE. I agree with TGK, this is one of, if not Galactus best showing, in many years.

As for the thread ... Merger ftw

I don't know, Galactus' stock must be pretty low if that passes for impressive.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
That much has been pretty clear for the last 2-3 years or so now.

Now that the Celestials have officially taken over the pedestal of the "Cosmic Jobber", it leaves Galactus freer to engage in scenes of pure badassery.

As a fan of both the Celestials and Galactus, it saddens me to see the Celestials job so much now.

Jobbing LT is a whole other thing, it should never, never happen.

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
As a fan of both the Celestials and Galactus, it saddens me to see the Celestials job so much now.

Jobbing LT is a whole other thing, it should never, never happen.
It could just be The Runner with a few bits of makeup and a teacloth over his head.

Watchers (like Celestials) aren't quite what they aught to be, nowadays.

Originally posted by janus77
Nope, just not impressed by something that appeared largely off-panel.

Yes Aegis died, on-panel, after a direct attack from them but what direct attack did Galactus endure? What actually did he do?

It'd be the equivalent of Hawkeye or IM being the last man standing after The Avengers get decimated by Thanos. It's not that he's been awesome and resisted everything Thanos threw at him, it's just that he wasn't the focal point of Thanos' efforts.

I was hoping to see Galactus actually confront the GE for a few panels (at the least) and make some headway, nothing happened.
The supposed off-panel nature of the fight was in line with the Surfer's earlier observation that the battle was occurring on higher metaphysical levels of reality that the lower-level heroes couldn't even begin to comprehend. How in the hell does that mean that it's an unimpressive showing by any means is beyond me.

The Cancerverse fight was hardly like the Hawkeye red herring, as all the Cosmics were pooling their full might to just hold back the GE, and Galactus continued to do so after all his peers had abandoned him.

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
As a fan of both the Celestials and Galactus, it saddens me to see the Celestials job so much now.

Jobbing LT is a whole other thing, it should never, never happen.
At this point, who cares about the Celestials? They're a hot mess with retcons to their origin happening every few months it seems.

No, the larger clusterphuck is what Hickman is doing to the LT. That guy is a phucking disaster.

As to the thread, 616 Galactus wins.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The supposed off-panel nature of the fight was in line with the Surfer's earlier observation that the battle was occurring on higher metaphysical levels of reality that the lower-level heroes couldn't even begin to comprehend. How in the hell does that mean that it's an unimpressive showing by any means is beyond me.

The Cancerverse fight was hardly like the Hawkeye red herring, as all the Cosmics were pooling their full might to just hold back the GE, and Galactus continued to do so after all his peers had abandoned him.
Endurance is all we saw from Galactus, he's tougher than the other cosmics. Fair enough, I never doubted that he was.

What I'm asking is, where are the high-end feats of actual power. The universe shaking, the omniverse threatening power of Galactus??

I don't see this as "best feat in a decade" or even close. Atleast there was more raw power displayed by him during Annihilation wave and the news that he alone decimated the Proemial Gods and then imprisoned the survivors of his war against them, that was pretty heavy order.

Also, the fight with Scrier and threatening the universe, again pretty heavy order. Where Galactus belongs

When a being of his stature begins to fight, the universe should be imperilled by every strike.

I don't even know what happened in the recent encounter, but it has a strong chance to piss me off.

Originally posted by janus77
Endurance is all we saw from Galactus, he's tougher than the other cosmics. Fair enough, I never doubted that he was.

What I'm asking is, where are the high-end feats of actual power. The universe shaking, the omniverse threatening power of Galactus??

I don't see this as "best feat in a decade" or even close. Atleast there was more raw power displayed by him during Annihilation wave and the news that he alone decimated the Proemial Gods and then imprisoned the survivors of his war against them, that was pretty heavy order.

Also, the fight with Scrier and threatening the universe, again pretty heavy order. Where Galactus belongs

When a being of his stature begins to fight, the universe should be imperilled by every strike.
These number-cruncher type feats don't determine which showing is more impressive. If the Marquis of Death ends up getting revealed as the guy who killed the LT in Hickman's recent arc, and the battle didn't collaterally damage a galaxy, let alone the whole omniverse, that doesn't mean that the feat somehow becomes unimpressive. This isn't comicvine where under the pretense of "gauging quantifiable feats", people just straight-up ignore direct comparisons in on-panel fights.

That fight is indeed one of Galactus' top feats in a long time, and a lone maverick opinion doesn't change this undeniable fact.

Years ago, I think it was Scoobless that put together an incredibly cogent defense of Gah Lak Tus being > 616 Galactus. I wish I could remember what he used as evidence/logic. It was against common wisdom even then, though, but gave many posters something to think about.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
These number-cruncher type feats don't determine which showing is more impressive. If the Marquis of Death ends up getting revealed as the guy who killed the LT in Hickman's recent arc, and the battle didn't collaterally damage a galaxy, let alone the whole omniverse, that doesn't mean that the feat somehow becomes unimpressive. This isn't comicvine where under the pretense of "gauging quantifiable feats", people just straight-up ignore direct comparisons in on-panel fights.

That fight is indeed one of Galactus' top feats in a long time, and a lone maverick opinion doesn't change this undeniable fact.
The context determines whether or not "collateral damage" comes into play in judging the scale of an attack.

If MM and Beyonder are focussing their powers on each other, it stands to reason that they can use the power that they demonstrably possess, with finesse and avoid unnecessary damage.

If there's an all out war going on, amongst the highest rank of cosmics, I expect collateral damage, I expect indicators of the scale of power, because they aren't acting with finesse or particular focus, because the GE is a battering ram used to knock through dimensional barrier and because Galactus has demonstrated in the past, that he produces vastly powerful energy blasts when attacking someone all out.

Another point is that these Cancerverse Lovecraftian creatures got stomped by Death, in the end, which pretty much means that other than their initial barrage against the 616 order, they've done nothing to indicate their individual clout.

As for MoD, Doom bent his knee to him. Whether as part of some cunning scheme or not, he called him master. That's all the feats one needs.

Originally posted by janus77
The context determines whether or not "collateral damage" comes into play in judging the scale of an attack.

If MM and Beyonder are focussing their powers on each other, it stands to reason that they can use the power that they demonstrably possess, with finesse and avoid unnecessary damage.

If there's an all out war going on, amongst the highest rank of cosmics, I expect collateral damage, I expect indicators of the scale of power, because they aren't acting with finesse or particular focus, because the GE is a battering ram used to knock through dimensional barrier and because Galactus has demonstrated in the past, that he produces vastly powerful energy blasts when attacking someone all out.

Another point is that these Cancerverse Lovecraftian creatures got stomped by Death, in the end, which pretty much means that other than their initial barrage against the 616 order, they've done nothing to indicate their individual clout.

As for MoD, Doom bent his knee to him. Whether as part of some cunning scheme or not, he called him master. That's all the feats one needs.
Another red herring. You're aware of the fact that the Beyonder has shrugged off a billion dimension slagging blast from Molecule Man without said blast even damaging the room they were in, right?

Yet another example of why only basing the impressiveness of a feat on numbers alone doesn't mean anything.

Except for the fact that collateral damage among wars between cosmic beings don't always result in blown up galaxies and dimensions. Collateral damage is hardly indicative of where a character of such power levels stands relative to their peers. You might as well start claiming that Surtur could beat the 3rd Host of Celestials, since their battle with Tiamut only shook the Earth's geological planes as the sum of its collateral damage. Or that adult Franklin Richards can only produce hemisphere-scale collateral damage when going all-out in the final battle against the Mad Celestials. Very faulty logic indeed.

I don't see how the MAOs getting stomped by Death is indicative of their lower status on the cosmic totem pole.

The MoD is jut me presenting a point. Irrespective of that though, whoever it is that killed/KO'd the LT in that Hickman issue, if this character produces a barely planetary level collateral damage if they went all-out iduring their hypothetical fight with the LT, then that wouldn't automatically mean that the fight in itself is any less impressive.

You need to renounce this comicvine-lite ideology, and just accept the fact that Galactus' showing against the Galactus Engine is one of his best feats in recent times.

^^ Good debate yall, but just to clarify,
that was a "Several Billion Dimension slagging" hit Beyonder withstood.

How has this lasted 6 pages?

Unless he's starving, Galen murderstomps.