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If gorgon came out to the battle field with his eyes open, who stands a chance. You can use anybody, even cosmics.

With the stone gaze? It's pretty tough to counter that one. I know my boy Apoc can do it, but I'm curious, do forcefields negate the effect?

Originally posted by carver9
If gorgon came out to the battle field with his eyes open, who stands a chance. You can use anybody, even cosmics.

Living Tribunal

MattMurdock

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
MattMurdock

dont agree with this statement. Has no way of beating gorgon

Hercules
Ares
Thor
Colossus
Cyclops
Prof. X
Mr. Fantastic
Human Torch
Hulk
Thing
Spider-Man
Shadowcat
Storm
Nightcrawler
ect....

Basically anyone above Wolverine

Originally posted by carver9
dont agree with this statement. Has no way of beating gorgon

I thought this was who could survive the initial gaze attack.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
MattMurdock

QFTMFT

Originally posted by Grimm22
Hercules
Ares
Thor
Colossus
Cyclops
Prof. X
Mr. Fantastic
Human Torch
Hulk
Thing
Spider-Man
Shadowcat
Storm
Nightcrawler
ect....

Basically anyone above Wolverine

Everybody on that list that you named would die. I guess you didnt ready what I put. I said that he come out with his stare, everyone that you named would turn to stone.

Originally posted by carver9
Everybody on that list that you named would die. I guess you didnt ready what I put. I said that he come out with his stare, everyone that you named would turn to stone.

They could just close their eyes

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I thought this was who could survive the initial gaze attack.

Its something like that but I did put stand a chance. Its a lot of blind people in marvel, thats why i didnt use that concept. Sorry about the confusion.

Originally posted by Grimm22
They could just close their eyes

and leave a opening for gorgon. They would basically be a punching bag or a target. He could simply just throw things at them etc.... How could you beat someone with your eyes close, especially someone in gorgon caliber.

no one.

NegativeMan!

Originally posted by masterbruce
no one.

Anyone with flight + ranged abilities, most melee speced fighters lose with out a plot device win.

captain America.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
QFTMFT

Gorgon pwned Logan and Elektra with ease...DD can't do jack.

Originally posted by King KAM
captain America.

becomes a statute

Ultimate Captain America

Gloucester . . .

Thanos

Well I guess noone can name anyone. I guess I made this harder then i thought

Originally posted by masterbruce
becomes a statute ...gorgon is all bluff...never did shit but mind read elektra and lose to wolverine

I wonder would the stare hurt the juggernaut since he is COMPLETELY indestructible.

Originally posted by King KAM
...gorgon is all bluff...never did shit but mind read elektra and lose to wolverine

I guess you didnt see how he lost to wolverine because he sure as hell didnt lose physically. Lets put it like this, gorgon gave wolverine more of a fight than cap ever gave wolverine since they have been in comics together. Does that make you feel better.

By the way namor has lost to wolverine, apocalypse, spiderman, daredevil, hulk, wendigo, the xmen, excaliber, alpha flight, etc... so whats your point.

Originally posted by carver9
I guess you didnt see how he lost to wolverine because he sure as hell didnt lose physically. Lets put it like this, gorgon gave wolverine more of a fight than cap ever gave wolverine since they have been in comics together. Does that make you feel better. you mean the fight where gorgon attacked him from behind??? or the one where gorgon fought wolverine and after wolverine stabs him about 6 times, he finally starts to win but only because of his strength advantage, but loses in the end anyway???

Cap ****s gorgon up, he has higher showings. I own every comic book with gorgon in it, and while other people try to make gorgon seem liek some kind of god if you check the other gorgon threds, time and time again i prove that he was nothing more than a one-hit wonder.

And cap has only....i dunno....gave wolverine a scar he still hasnt healed from but....thats just me.

Originally posted by King KAM
you mean the fight where gorgon attacked him from behind??? or the one where gorgon fought wolverine and after wolverine stabs him about 6 times, he finally starts to win but only because of his strength advantage, but loses in the end anyway???

Cap ****s gorgon up, he has higher showings. I own every comic book with gorgon in it, and while other people try to make gorgon seem liek some kind of god if you check the other gorgon threds, time and time again i prove that he was nothing more than a one-hit wonder.

And cap has only....i dunno....gave wolverine a scar he still hasnt healed from but....thats just me.



To bad wolverine has beat cap on every one of there encounters and he almost killed cap while having a problem with his healing factor (due to not eating, sleeping, etc....). Gorgon would own captain america. This is what I want you to tell me. How in the hell is cap going to beat gorgon. How in the hell is cap going to even beat wolverine.

Gorgon is on par with cap in the fighting dept and he has the power to heal any injury along with super human speed, reflexes, telepath (can read your mind and determine your every move), super strength (15 ton) and the stare,super human agility. Gorgon would destroy cap 10/10. Cap has no way to win this fight. The guy fell off of a 30 story building and bounced back up like nothing ever happened.

Originally posted by carver9


To bad wolverine has beat cap on every one of there encounters and he almost killed cap while having a problem with his healing factor (due to not eating, sleeping, etc....). Gorgon would own captain america. This is what I want you to tell me. How in the hell is cap going to beat gorgon. How in the hell is cap going to even beat wolverine.

Gorgon is on par with cap in the fighting dept and he has the power to heal any injury along with super human speed, reflexes, telepath (can read your mind and determine your every move), super strength (15 ton) and the stare,super human agility. Gorgon would destroy cap 10/10. Cap has no way to win this fight. The guy fell off of a 30 story building and bounced back up like nothing ever happened. there first fight ever was a draw, there second fight ewver cap was winning until he got pinned down, but then someone interfered so that one ends in a No contest, and there third fight Cap won, now while escorting wolverine to the hellicopter some ****ing robotic retard grabbed cap and made him not focus, while not paying attention wolverine attacks him from behind...also not a win.

so no...wolverine has never once beat cap 1on1.

and gorgon isnt on par with cap in the fighting skill department, he has never proven to be anything more than a telepath, sure his swordsman skills are superb but we also saw in the last fight with wolverine that his defense is lacking. he never showed superhuman speed, and the thing he did with his reflexes is nothing more than parlor magic which everyone and their mother has done(block bullets by twirling the sword), his strength doesnt mean shit, and cap will block the stare with his shield.

All cap needs to do is throw the shield at him hard once, and he wins.

Originally posted by King KAM
there first fight ever was a draw, there second fight ewver cap was winning until he got pinned down, but then someone interfered so that one ends in a No contest, and there third fight Cap won, now while escorting wolverine to the hellicopter some ****ing robotic retard grabbed cap and made him not focus, while not paying attention wolverine attacks him from behind...also not a win.

so no...wolverine has never once beat cap 1on1.

and gorgon isnt on par with cap in the fighting skill department, he has never proven to be anything more than a telepath, sure his swordsman skills are superb but we also saw in the last fight with wolverine that his defense is lacking. he never showed superhuman speed, and the thing he did with his reflexes is nothing more than parlor magic which everyone and their mother has done(block bullets by twirling the sword), his strength doesnt mean shit, and cap will block the stare with his shield.

All cap needs to do is throw the shield at him hard once, and he wins.

You really need to do some research on gorgon. Gorgon would mud stomp captain america, us agent, any of the americas. By the way you dont know what youre talking about with the wolverine fights against captain america. Wolverine has 2 wins and a stalemate. Cap knows himself that he cant beat wolverine because he has said it numerous of times.

Captain america has no way of beating gorgon and anyone can tell you that and due to gorgon fighting ability being on par with cap and gorgon having the ability to know caps every move before he do it and gorgon having superhuman (not peak human) speed, gorgon wins this 10/10. Gorgon dont even need his stare to beat captain america.

I cant believe you think that cap even stands a chance against gorgon. So your basically saying that cap can take on wolverine and elektra at the same time and come out on top. Yeah right. He cant even take a win from wolverine. Gorgon>>captain america. The only thing that they have that is on the same level is fighting skills, the rest would over whelm captain america. Gorgon on a bad day would kill captain america and Im not even a gorgon fan, I actually hate the guy.

Originally posted by carver9
Everybody on that list that you named would die. I guess you didnt ready what I put. I said that he come out with his stare, everyone that you named would turn to stone. Stupid, stupid, stupid...

Anyway...
Silver Surfer takes anything Gorgon throws at him.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Stupid, stupid, stupid...

Anyway...
Silver Surfer takes anything Gorgon throws at him.

I agree with this statement

Originally posted by Grimm22
Hercules
Ares
Thor
Colossus
Cyclops
Prof. X
Mr. Fantastic
Human Torch
Hulk
Thing
Spider-Man
Shadowcat
Storm
Nightcrawler
Herc would win.
Ares would stomp.
Colossus... I just don't see him turning C into anything.
Cyke could be a double stop.
X could most likely take him out.
Don't see Fantabulous doing anything.
Torch might go down.
Hulk stomps him.
Thing... fail to see Thing turning into stone...
Spider-Man goes down.
Shadowcat could take him.
Storm takes him. She has lightning blocking her eyes.
Don't know about Nightcrawler winning.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Herc would win.
Ares would stomp.
Colossus... I just don't see him turning C into anything.
Cyke could be a double stop.
X could most likely take him out.
Don't see Fantabulous doing anything.
Torch might go down.
Hulk stomps him.
Thing... fail to see Thing turning into stone...
Spider-Man goes down.
Shadowcat could take him.
Storm takes him. She has lightning blocking her eyes.
Don't know about Nightcrawler winning.

Since he is coming to the battle field with the stare.

Herc: goes down.
Ares goes down
Colossus goes down
Cyke goes down (could dodge cyke blast and cyke has to look at who hes shooting at.)
professor x (could win because he dont have to look at his target to win)
fantabulous goes down
torch goes down
hulk stomps and his legs break because theyre stone along with his entire body, so he dies.
Thing would turn into unmovable stone (the guy still bleeds) thing dies.
Spiderman goes down without the stare
Shadow cat turn tangible because she is now stone.
Storm turns to stone
Nightcrawler turns to stone.

Everyone on your list except maybe professor dies.

Originally posted by carver9
and leave a opening for gorgon. They would basically be a punching bag or a target. He could simply just throw things at them etc.... How could you beat someone with your eyes close, especially someone in gorgon caliber.

And all the characters I posted there could survive all of Gorgon's attacks withou being hurt or they could just fly and not look directly into gorgon's eyes and kill him

Originally posted by Grimm22
And all the characters I posted there could survive all of Gorgon's attacks withou being hurt or they could just fly and not look directly into gorgon's eyes and kill him

So im guessing that with there eyes close they are going to know exactly where gorgon is at and attack him. Well if they have that kind of power, then yeah all of them win. Especially on a guy that is as silent and mobile as gorgon, someone who wolverine couldnt even pick up. Ohhhh, then every person on your list has psy blocks, so gorgon wont be able to read there minds to determine there moves. Oh he really loses this. To all the people that you have named that has psy blocks and is able to see people even with there eyes close will win the fight.

Gorgon lose 10/10

Hulk has resisted being turned to Stone by the Grey Gargoyle (He kept on coming and busted out IIRC) and that was Grey Hulk.

Herc has fought Blindfold before against his own son who was as strong as he was (alternate future admitedly)

Thor used to tangle with Grey Gargoyle and seeing as hes not a statue must have some resistance to being turned to stone.

If Gorgan can take anyone below Herald level (or in Thor's case Herald level) why is he in the bush leagues tangling with Logan and street levelers?

Originally posted by carver9
So im guessing that with there eyes close they are going to know exactly where gorgon is at and attack him. Well if they have that kind of power, then yeah all of them win. Especially on a guy that is as silent and mobile as gorgon, someone who wolverine couldnt even pick up. Ohhhh, then every person on your list has psy blocks, so gorgon wont be able to read there minds to determine there moves. Oh he really loses this. To all the people that you have named that has psy blocks and is able to see people even with there eyes close will win the fight.

Gorgon lose 10/10

Gorgon isn't going to be mind-raping anyone

There is no attack that Gorgon has that can even come close to hurting guys like Colossus, Thing, Herc, Thor, ect...

Plus, as long as they don't look directly at him his eyes aren't a threat.

I've not seen Gorgon show the ability to mind rape people!

Originally posted by Hercules
I've not seen Gorgon show the ability to mind rape people!

He has low level telepathy, but not nearly enough to pull a Prof.X or whatnot

Originally posted by carver9
You really need to do some research on gorgon. Gorgon would mud stomp captain america, us agent, any of the americas. By the way you dont know what youre talking about with the wolverine fights against captain america. Wolverine has 2 wins and a stalemate. Cap knows himself that he cant beat wolverine because he has said it numerous of times.

Captain america has no way of beating gorgon and anyone can tell you that and due to gorgon fighting ability being on par with cap and gorgon having the ability to know caps every move before he do it and gorgon having superhuman (not peak human) speed, gorgon wins this 10/10. Gorgon dont even need his stare to beat captain america.

I cant believe you think that cap even stands a chance against gorgon. So your basically saying that cap can take on wolverine and elektra at the same time and come out on top. Yeah right. He cant even take a win from wolverine. Gorgon>>captain america. The only thing that they have that is on the same level is fighting skills, the rest would over whelm captain america. Gorgon on a bad day would kill captain america and Im not even a gorgon fan, I actually hate the guy. what are the 2 wins??? and i mean i want a 1on1 victory where captain america could no longer continue or intelligently defend himself, with NO interference.

so you show me 2 clear wins, and you got it.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Gorgon isn't going to be mind-raping anyone

There is no attack that Gorgon has that can even come close to hurting guys like Colossus, Thing, Herc, Thor, ect...

Plus, as long as they don't look directly at him his eyes aren't a threat.

Well i guess its a stalemate since they wont be hitting gorgon either. In order for them to win they would have to look at someone like gorgon and gorgon has enough strength and speed to toss everyone you named around through a couple of buildings getting them mad enough to want to open there eyes to want to hit there target. His strength is 15 to 20 tons.

Originally posted by carver9
Well i guess its a stalemate since they wont be hitting gorgon either. In order for them to win they would have to look at someone like gorgon and gorgon has enough strength and speed to toss everyone you named around through a couple of buildings getting them mad enough to want to open there eyes to want to hit there target. His strength is 15 to 20 tons. i never saw gorgon lift that much.....

Originally posted by carver9
Well i guess its a stalemate since they wont be hitting gorgon either. In order for them to win they would have to look at someone like gorgon and gorgon has enough strength and speed to toss everyone you named around through a couple of buildings getting them mad enough to want to open there eyes to want to hit there target. His strength is 15 to 20 tons.

*ahem* Thunderclap *ahem*

Originally posted by Hercules
Hulk has resisted being turned to Stone by the Grey Gargoyle (He kept on coming and busted out IIRC) and that was Grey Hulk.

Herc has fought Blindfold before against his own son who was as strong as he was (alternate future admitedly)

Thor used to tangle with Grey Gargoyle and seeing as hes not a statue must have some resistance to being turned to stone.

If Gorgan can take anyone below Herald level (or in Thor's case Herald level) why is he in the bush leagues tangling with Logan and street levelers?

Who say that gargoyle and gorgon powers works the same. Gorgon powers requires you to look at him and you become stone, grey gargoyle requires physical contact and hulk is very resistant to anything physical.

To the herc issue. That was a bad example because he would need his eyes to fight gorgon since herc did lose to wolverine using his eyes. Now if youre telling me that herc fights better with a blind fold on then he is going to lose this battle if he dont look at his opponent. Well he would still lose both ways I guess.

Thor avoided grey gargoyle touch the entire fight, he would have turned to stone but as i stated before, gargoyle and gorgon powers are totally different.

To your last statement about gorgon fighting wolverine. Who havent fought wolverine and lost. Namor, hulk, apocalypse, magneto, xmen, xfactor, alpha flight, grey hulk, wendigo, cable, etc.... Majority everyone that I have name are top tier but this has nothing to do with wolverine, this has something to do with surviving gorgon eyes or just staying there taking a beat down from someone that could read your mind and know what moves your going to make before you do it.

Originally posted by King KAM
i never saw gorgon lift that much.....

I never saw juggernaut lift 100 tons but marvel says that he has unlimited strength.

Originally posted by Grimm22
*ahem* Thunderclap *ahem*

*ahem* Wolverine stood right in the middle of hulks thunderclap that broke the ground into pieces and it did nothing to him.

*ahem* wont work.

*ahem* fake his death, have them open there eyes to check and see is he dead or passed out and when he read there thoughts and know that theyre eyes are opened, open his eyes and theyre pure stone. *ahem*.

Originally posted by carver9
Who say that gargoyle and gorgon powers works the same. Gorgon powers requires you to look at him and you become stone, grey gargoyle requires physical contact and hulk is very resistant to anything physical.

To the herc issue. That was a bad example because he would need his eyes to fight gorgon since herc did lose to wolverine using his eyes. Now if youre telling me that herc fights better with a blind fold on then he is going to lose this battle if he dont look at his opponent. Well he would still lose both ways I guess.

Thor avoided grey gargoyle touch the entire fight, he would have turned to stone but as i stated before, gargoyle and gorgon powers are totally different.

To your last statement about gorgon fighting wolverine. Who havent fought wolverine and lost. Namor, hulk, apocalypse, magneto, xmen, xfactor, alpha flight, grey hulk, wendigo, cable, etc.... Majority everyone that I have name are top tier but this has nothing to do with wolverine, this has something to do with surviving gorgon eyes or just staying there taking a beat down from someone that could read your mind and know what moves your going to make before you do it.

Gargoyle TURNED Hulk to stone and Hulk busted through it.

Its not a bad example, Herc was taking class 100 hits from his son while Blindfolded Gorgon can't hit that hard.

Your using ABC logic, Hercules ran over Wolverine, Spiderwoman and Iron man in his own mini and dodged a wolverine blow, saying Wolverine has a win over Herc, Namor etc etc so Gorgon beats them based on beating Logan doesn't work.

Also, anyone with a mirror in front of their face when he stares for the win.

A deer has a win over Logan, so I guess that means a deer can beat all the people on the list too?

If Gorgon is so good at reading the minds of his opponents, how come he couldn't predict when Wolverine was going to put his claws in front of his face and reflect his stare?

Johnny Sorrow or Darkseid could take him.

Originally posted by Hercules
Gargoyle TURNED Hulk to stone and Hulk busted through it.

Its not a bad example, Herc was taking class 100 hits from his son while Blindfolded Gorgon can't hit that hard.

Your using ABC logic, Hercules ran over Wolverine, Spiderwoman and Iron man in his own mini and dodged a wolverine blow, saying Wolverine has a win over Herc, Namor etc etc so Gorgon beats them based on beating Logan doesn't work.

Also, anyone with a mirror in front of their face when he stares for the win.

A deer has a win over Logan, so I guess that means a deer can beat all the people on the list too?

If Gorgon is so good at reading the minds of his opponents, how come he couldn't predict when Wolverine was going to put his claws in front of his face and reflect his stare?

Oh, i have so many corrections to make but I would like to start with the deer comment. Was wolverine actually fighting against the deer and lost example: was he fighting against the deer like he fight the hulk, wendigo, sabertooth, etc... and lost are was he sneaking up on the deer or walking up on the deer and got kicked. He wasnt tangoing with the deer so i wish people stop bring that up.

Now I need to know, what does herc taking 100 ton hits have to do with anything. Hulk can be blind folded and take 100 ton hits but if you have someone that is VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY skilled and can dodge you and is grabbing you and throwing you into building. Punching you with 15 to 20 ton punches, and using pressure point hits on you, your going to acknowledge it and try to defend yourself but having a blind fold on against a major fighter like gorgon that can read your every move by entering you mind isnt going to help you.

In this fight, I didnt say that people can carry around purses and pull out a mirror and use it against gorgon. So thats out of the question.

Hulk has ran over wolverine and some of the other xmen but when hulk fights wolverine one on one its a totally different story. Apocalypse ran through the xmen but when he faced wolverine on his own, lets take a sneak peek and see what happens
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741372
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741382

and again gargoyle and gorgon powers work entirely different. Thats like saying that cyclops and superman powers does the same thing.

Originally posted by carver9
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741372
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741382
Wasn't that a robot double, or am I thinking of a different time?

Originally posted by carver9
Oh, i have so many corrections to make but I would like to start with the deer comment. Was wolverine actually fighting against the deer and lost example: was he fighting against the deer like he fight the hulk, wendigo, sabertooth, etc... and lost are was he sneaking up on the deer or walking up on the deer and got kicked. He wasnt tangoing with the deer so i wish people stop bring that up.

Now I need to know, what does herc taking 100 ton hits have to do with anything. Hulk can be blind folded and take 100 ton hits but if you have someone that is VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY skilled and can dodge you and is grabbing you and throwing you into building. Punching you with 15 to 20 ton punches, and using pressure point hits on you, your going to acknowledge it and try to defend yourself but having a blind fold on against a major fighter like gorgon that can read your every move by entering you mind isnt going to help you.

In this fight, I didnt say that people can carry around purses and pull out a mirror and use it against gorgon. So thats out of the question.

Hulk has ran over wolverine and some of the other xmen but when hulk fights wolverine one on one its a totally different story. Apocalypse ran through the xmen but when he faced wolverine on his own, lets take a sneak peek and see what happens
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741372
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741382

Your still using ABC logic

The mirror thing was a joke

My point was and still is that your saying a class ten guy is going to be wearing a class 100 guy down unless he stares at them Herc was taking harder shots and still didn't feel the need to look.

Hes also a better hand to hand combatant than your giving him credit for and of course one on one fights are going to be a different story than one guy taking on a team.

Same amount of pages to fill only two combatants = a longer and closer fight to fill them.

Your main argument is that he can take anyone based on his TP and staring at them, yet he couldn't predict that Wolverine was going to block his stare with his claws.

Hes never shown the ability to mind rape anyone, yet you have stated he could and saying hes taking down Thor with his stare is unblievable seeing as Thor could somone a few lightning bolts without look directly at him.

Or is he dodging those too now?

Have you noticed yet that your the only one arguing that hes taking out class 100's and herald level characters?

And how is he taking down Prof X who could quite literaly take him down with his eyes closed using his VASTLY superior tp?

Or cyclops who wears glasses which would reflect the stare, besides the fact that an optic blast is going to blow Gorgan's head off if hes trying to look into his eyes to turn him to stone.

I'm done with this thread now cause It makes me sad.

Originally posted by carver9
and again gargoyle and gorgon powers work entirely different. Thats like saying that cyclops and superman powers does the same thing.

Sorry not done.

Say what now?

They both turn people to stone, only the method they do it is different, Hulk resisted it, thats canon and a fact.

You saying that he can't resist Gorgons power is niether canon nor fact, just speculation on your part.

Originally posted by Hercules
Your still using ABC logic

The mirror thing was a joke

My point was and still is that your saying a class ten guy is going to be wearing a class 100 guy down unless he stares at them Herc was taking harder shots and still didn't feel the need to look.

Hes also a better hand to hand combatant than your giving him credit for and of course one on one fights are going to be a different story than one guy taking on a team.

Same amount of pages to fill only two combatants = a longer and closer fight to fill them.

Your main argument is that he can take anyone based on his TP and staring at them, yet he couldn't predict that Wolverine was going to block his stare with his claws.

Hes never shown the ability to mind rape anyone, yet you have stated he could and saying hes taking down Thor with his stare is unblievable seeing as Thor could somone a few lightning bolts without look directly at him.

Or is he dodging those too now?

Have you noticed yet that your the only one arguing that hes taking out class 100's and herald level characters?

And how is he taking down Prof X who could quite literaly take him down with his eyes closed using his VASTLY superior tp?

Or cyclops who wears glasses which would reflect the stare, besides the fact that an optic blast is going to blow Gorgan's head off if hes trying to look into his eyes to turn him to stone.

I'm done with this thread now cause It makes me sad.

I understand entirely what youre saying and Im not trying to make you mad.

I never said that he could take down professor x. I dont think that anyone could take out professor below herald level but your still not understanding what Im telling you. Ok gorgon powers arent to mind rape you, he isnt that kind of tp, he has the power to read your mind and determine what moves your about to do next, example; lets say if thor is think about throwing a lightning bolt, gorgon has read thors mind and know what he is about to do and would be able to evade it before it happens.

In the comic where gorgon and wolverine fought, you do know that wolverine has psy blocks for 1 but thats not what helped him, wolverine went animal and didnt have a mind for gorgon to read and he also said that gorgon knocked elektras tp blocks out that was given to them by shield that why he was able to read her every move. So wolverine had prep against that power.

Now the herc point. I was saying that the 15 ton punches wouldnt hurt herc but it will annoy him to the point that he would want to give it his all against a fighter who fights better than him and knows how to use pressure points and could be faster than him. Do you think herc would go all day getting thrown against wall and getting cars thrown on him, etc..., naaah, because I wouldnt take all of that and hes going to want to see his enemy (or keep getting punished) and thats the end of the fight.

By the way do you know that gorgon has super human speed. He dodge bullets at close range and killed 5 people before they even got the chance to acknowledge that they were cut. As I stated before, cyke has to look at whos he shooting and that would be hit downfall.

Originally posted by carver9
I understand entirely what youre saying and Im not trying to make you mad.

I never said that he could take down professor x. I dont think that anyone could take out professor below herald level but your still not understanding what Im telling you. Ok gorgon powers arent to mind rape you, he isnt that kind of tp, he has the power to read your mind and determine what moves your about to do next, example; lets say if thor is think about throwing a lightning bolt, gorgon has read thors mind and know what he is about to do and would be able to evade it before it happens.

In the comic where gorgon and wolverine fought, you do know that wolverine has psy blocks for 1 but thats not what helped him, wolverine went animal and didnt have a mind for gorgon to read and he also said that gorgon knocked elektras tp blocks out that was given to them by shield that why he was able to read her every move. So wolverine had prep against that power.

Now the herc point. I was saying that the 15 ton punches wouldnt hurt herc but it will annoy him to the point that he would want to give it his all against a fighter who fights better than him and knows how to use pressure points and could be faster than him. Do you think herc would go all day getting thrown against wall and getting cars thrown on him, etc..., naaah, because I wouldnt take all of that and hes going to want to see his enemy (or keep getting punished) and thats the end of the fight.

By the way do you know that gorgon has super human speed. He dodge bullets at close range and killed 5 people before they even got the chance to acknowledge that they were cut. As I stated before, cyke has to look at whos he shooting and that would be hit downfall. This is why smart Wolverine fans should argue for Wolverine's villains.

Him beating Thor? For f*cks sake. Some people need to know their characters.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
This is why smart Wolverine fans should argue for Wolverine's villains.

Him beating Thor? For f*cks sake. Some people need to know their characters.

Nut, Im not saying that he could beat thor because thor hammer works miracles BUT I dont know what would happen to thor if he looks into gorgon eyes. Wonderwoman seems quite powerful, I wonder why she had her eyes covered when she fought medusa because she would have turned to stone.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wasn't that a robot double, or am I thinking of a different time?

The real Apoc showed up in a hologram and congratulated Wolverine on beating the robot.

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And then he told him the base was gonna blow up.

Originally posted by carver9
Nut, Im not saying that he could beat thor because thor hammer works miracles BUT I dont know what would happen to thor if he looks into gorgon eyes. Wonderwoman seems quite powerful, I wonder why she had her eyes covered when she fought medusa because she would have turned to stone. It doesn't matter if it will work or not, and Thor could still pawn him.
Plus, what is the limits of his stone gaze anyway? What has he actually done with it?

Well... that's a shitty comparison.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The real Apoc showed up in a hologram and congratulated Wolverine on beating the robot.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe30.png http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe31.png

And then he told him the base was gonna blow up.

He seemed pretty scared to me. Why didnt he go down there to fight wolverine on his own.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
It doesn't matter if it will work or not, and Thor could still pawn him.
Plus, what is the limits of his stone gaze anyway? What has he actually done with it?

Well... that's a shitty comparison.

I havent seen any limits yet and in his bio it does states that if ANYONE looks into his eyes they will turn to stone. Does the word ANYONE helps you.

Martian Manhunter
Apocalyspe
Superman
Wonder Woman
Metamorpo
Shift
Amazo
Ragman
Detective Chimp]
Robotman etc.

Originally posted by carver9
I havent seen any limits yet and in his bio it does states that if ANYONE looks into his eyes they will turn to stone. Does the word ANYONE helps you. "ANYONE" means shit all to me. And is retarded to bring up that, and a bio to help prove a point of him using it on Thor to win.

Also, I have yet to see him use it on anyone that matters.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The real Apoc showed up in a hologram and congratulated Wolverine on beating the robot.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe30.png http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe31.png

And then he told him the base was gonna blow up.
Thanks tp, I thought so.

And as for who beats Gorgon, Mirror Master FTW .

Originally posted by carver9
By the way do you know that gorgon has super human speed. He dodge bullets at close range and killed 5 people before they even got the chance to acknowledge that they were cut. As I stated before, cyke has to look at whos he shooting and that would be hit downfall.

I really haven't the time to go over the same points over and over but I will address this one.

Cyclops has to look at him NOT in his eyes to fire at him and Gorgon HAS to look him in the eye to make the power work, so if hes dodging Cyclops how is he also looking him directly in the eye as thats where the beam hes firing is coming from?

Its like me trying to look directly down the barrel of the gun and dodging the bullet.

Your speculating on Gorgon's abilty to take down the likes of Thor and Hulk without anything concrete to back it up other than he reads minds and hes fast and has class 10 strength.

He doesn't have the feats to back up what your saying, which should really end the debate.

Originally posted by Jebus rebornPlus, what is the limits of his stone gaze anyway? What has he actually done with it?

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
"ANYONE" means shit all to me. And is retarded to bring up that, and a bio to help prove a point of him using it on Thor to win.

Also, I have yet to see him use it on anyone that matters.

Again

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Martian Manhunter
Apocalyspe
Superman
Wonder Woman
Metamorpo
Shift
Amazo
Ragman
Detective Chimp]
Robotman etc.

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Originally posted by carver9
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Originally posted by Martian_mind
Martian Manhunter
Apocalyspe
Superman
Wonder Woman
Metamorpo
Shift
Amazo
Ragman
Detective Chimp]
Robotman etc.

Fixed

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
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LET THE SPAMMING COMMENCE!

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Originally posted by carver9
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Yeah let's see...

Martian Manhunter=Resistant to transmutation
Apocalyspe=Resistant to transmutation
Superman=Resistant to transmutation
Wonder Woman=Resistant to transmutation
Metamorpo=(Probably)Resistant to transmutation
Amazo=Resistant to transmutation

I'm not sure about the rest of tp's list, but those guys kick Gorgon's ass 10/10.

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My parents couldn't afford them...

Originally posted by Hercules
I have no spam pictures!

My parents couldn't afford them...

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Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah let's see...

Martian Manhunter=Resistant to transmutation
Apocalyspe=Resistant to transmutation
Superman=Resistant to transmutation
Wonder Woman=Resistant to transmutation
Metamorpo=(Probably)Resistant to transmutation
Amazo=Resistant to transmutation

I'm not sure about the rest of tp's list, but those guys kick Gorgon's ass 10/10.

Now your just using logic and common sense to prove your point...

THIS IS KMC!

We don't do that here!

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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
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to bad that you all are guessing on gorgon powers. Youre guessing who his powers will work on or not.

No. On some of them like Apoc, Wondy, J'onn or Superman, we know it won't do shit.

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Originally posted by carver9
to bad that you all are guessing on gorgon powers. Youre guessing who his powers will work on or not.

So are you . . .

No defined upper limit to his powers means that unless he has a feat that says it'll work against people who are immune or resistant we have to assume that it won't.

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Originally posted by carver9
to bad that you all are guessing on gorgon powers. Youre guessing who his powers will work on or not.
We're not guessing, the people from that list ALL have numerous instances of resisting transmutation from people that are A LOT more powerful than Gorgon. YOU'RE the one that's guessing that Gorgon's ability is much more powerful than what those people have faced before, and you have no proof to suggest anything of the sort .

Originally posted by darthgoober
We're not guessing, the people from that list ALL have numerous instances of resisting transmutation from people that are A LOT more powerful than Gorgon. YOU'RE the one that's guessing that Gorgon's ability is much more powerful than what those people have faced before, and you have no proof to suggest anything of the sort .