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Im getting the 4 top tiers off each team. Choose the winning team and then which ever team win the people on the team have to fight until there is one man standing.

Justice league

Superman
Wonderwoman
Martian manhunter
Orion (dont have the mother box)

Avengers

Thor
Ion Wonderman
Hulk
Sentry

Xmen

Godlike Cable
Nate grey (xman)
Magneto (magneto has his forcefield up)
Iceman

Which team would win and who would be the last man standing on the winning team. By the way everyone has complete knowledge of everyones powers.

Nate, Cable and Magneto shut down the powers and mindrape everybody without a defense against that.

Then they launch a psychic assault and have Iceman ice everybody trying to escape.



Yeah I like muties.

Supes destroys the planet...that takes out the X-Men for the most part. Thor and Sentry would be the only threats from the Avengers. Bloodlust on...JLA wins...speedblitz and world destruction.

Crazy fight. I say JLA wins. Cable&Nate might be able to keep MM busy and there's enough stuff here that even Supes can't speedblitz. But the real ace in the hole is Orion. Nobody here can take a shot from the AF. Orion is the man to beat on the JLA, and I can't see anyone here beating him. Worse, he has no MB, which means Orion is now at full rage. That actually hurts the other team's chance. Since it means Orion will be shooting at full blast.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Supes destroys the planet...that takes out the X-Men for the most part. Thor and Sentry would be the only threats from the Avengers. Bloodlust on...JLA wins...speedblitz and world destruction.

1st thing supes cant destroy no planet so that is out of the question (you must think that supes came from dbz). Godlike cable shuts off superman powers and magneto bus him in the back of the head with a car and then they just mind rape everyone. superman can destroy a planet

thats to funny. Well if superman can do it i guess the hulk can to.

Superman can destroy the planet. Heck, he can move the moon...what do you think would happen if Superman drops the moon onto the Earth?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Crazy fight. I say JLA wins. Cable&Nate might be able to keep MM busy and there's enough stuff here that even Supes can't speedblitz. But the real ace in the hole is Orion. Nobody here can take a shot from the AF. Orion is the man to beat on the JLA, and I can't see anyone here beating him. Worse, he has no MB, which means Orion is now at full rage. That actually hurts the other team's chance. Since it means Orion will be shooting at full blast.

Nice post even though I think that anyone on the xmen team can take him and I think that 2 people on the avengers can beat him and one can stalemate him.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Superman can destroy the planet. Heck, he can move the moon...what do you think would happen if Superman drops the moon onto the Earth?


Im sorry, Im not trying to be mean but superman needed the aid of martian manhunter, wonderwoman, to help him move the moon and this was blue superman, his strongest incarnation.

Superman aint throwing nothing to the earth and he wont even have time to do that with all of these heavy weights out on the field. Do you really think that sentry or thor would let superman do something like that. Especially the people on the x team since they do have a unrival control over telekinesis and is also a telepath. They could control supermans body.

MM is a stronger telepath than they are...he would protect Supes. Orion and Wonderwoman are more than enough to keep everyone busy while Supes does that job. Yes..Superman can move the moon. The movies even depower Superman some...and he even moved the moon in Superman 4 effortlessly.

Even if Superman can't move the moon...Orion's AF can and will destroy the planet...especially without a MB.

MM is not a stronger TP then Nate or God Cable.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
MM is a stronger telepath than they are...he would protect Supes. Orion and Wonderwoman are more than enough to keep everyone busy while Supes does that job. Yes..Superman can move the moon. The movies even depower Superman some...and he even moved the moon in Superman 4 effortlessly.

Even if Superman can't move the moon...Orion's AF can and will destroy the planet...especially without a MB.



HELLO LEAVING THE FIGHT = LOSES THE FIGHT.

Originally posted by endrict
HELLO LEAVING THE FIGHT = LOSES THE FIGHT.


This is a team effort...his team is still on Earth...so Supes leaving the planet is not a loss.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
MM is a stronger telepath than they are...he would protect Supes. Orion and Wonderwoman are more than enough to keep everyone busy while Supes does that job. Yes..Superman can move the moon. The movies even depower Superman some...and he even moved the moon in Superman 4 effortlessly.

Even if Superman can't move the moon...Orion's AF can and will destroy the planet...especially without a MB.

Im going to give you a little research on the people that you say that superman, wonder woman, and orion can beat. Make sure you read well on their power because maybe you'll change you mind.

http://www.marveldatabase.com/X-Man_%28Nate_Grey%29
http://www.marveldatabase.com/Cable_%28Nathan_Summers%29
http://www.marveldatabase.com/Iceman_%28Robert_Drake%29
http://www.marveldatabase.com/Magneto_%28Magnus%29

Magneto force field alone has survived attacks from galactus. Galactus attacks>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>superman attacks. xmen wins hands down.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
This is a team effort...his team is still on Earth...so Supes leaving the planet is not a loss.

Why is he leaving the planet. I know your still not stuck on the moving a planet thing. Lets put it like this, superman had to sun dip to move war world. You do know what sun dip does for superman.

Instead of doing it under his own power (sun dip is still his power though) he sun dipped and then moved war world and earth size is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> war world.

Supes can pinky flick the planet out of orbit..he doesn't need to sundip!!!

In other words...have you ever flicked a booger? That's how much effort it would take for Supes to move a planet.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
In other words...have you ever flicked a booger? That's how much effort it would take for Supes to move a planet.

read more comics. Im going to ignore you posts and your love for superman. A lot of women want to know what color superman nuts are, I bet you have the answer since you hang on them so much.

lol...you must want to know about his nuts since you're the one who brought it up. Again...don't be hatin' on Supes'...he's the shit.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
lol...you must want to know about his nuts since you're the one who brought it up. Again...don't be hatin' on Supes'...he's the shit.

He is a crock of shit. Yeap youre right. Show me one scan of superman moving a planet. Naah, I got something even better for you and it might help you out. Show me something where superman is moving something that is even close to the size of the move. Naah, I got something better for ya, show me a scan of superman moving or carrying something that is even the size of new york city. Show me.

That's the top 4 from X-men?

Originally posted by llagrok
That's the top 4 from X-men?

To my knowledge it is. It has been stated that iceman is the most powerful xmen that ever came out and I cant think of too many people that could beat this team.

Originally posted by carver9
To my knowledge it is. It has been stated that iceman is the most powerful xmen that ever came out and I cant think of too many people that could beat this team.

No, he's an omega class mutant. That means he's got unlimited potential, but not that he's very powerful.

I think Avengers takes this. Godblast for the win.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
This is a team effort...his team is still on Earth...so Supes leaving the planet is not a loss.

He loses the fight and can't come back, you moron...
He cannot leave the fight to Sundip or moving the moon and throwing it....
so it's WW MM Orion vs the others

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
lol...you must want to know about his nuts since you're the one who brought it up. Again...don't be hatin' on Supes'...he's the shit.


You sound like a stupid Wolverine fanboy....

Originally posted by endrict
You sound like a stupid Wolverine fanboy....

Thank you, the guy needed to hear that. He sounds like a complete fan.

Originally posted by llagrok
No, he's an omega class mutant. That means he's got unlimited potential, but not that he's very powerful.

I think Avengers takes this. Godblast for the win.

Read, I havent read it yet but its in all of his bio and even on www.marvel.com. He is stated as being the most powerful x member. I know that he has unlimited potential.
http://www.marveldatabase.com/Iceman_%28Robert_Drake%29

Not the most powerful x-men member.

i guess you didnt read it, this is what it says, i just read it myself.

"Iceman is one of the most powerful X-men and an Omega-level mutant."

It cant get no clearer than that.

No.

You say he's the most powerful x-man, which even a retard would realize that he's not. It says that he's one of the most powerful x-men. So is Havok and Storm.

He has unlimited potential, he's not the most powerful x-man. If he was, Polaris wouldn't have taken him out so easily. I recon Hellion could take out Iceman.

good point.

Originally posted by carver9
good point.



He had some good showings against Fuego from Children of the Vault, but I still don't think Iceman is one of the most powerful x-men. He can be, but he's not at the moment.

Originally posted by llagrok


He had some good showings against Fuego from Children of the Vault, but I still don't think Iceman is one of the most powerful x-men. He can be, but he's not at the moment.

Who do you consider to be the most powerful xmen or up there at being the close.

Originally posted by carver9
Who do you consider to be the most powerful xmen or up there at being the close.

Havok's the nexus of all realities.

I'd say Polaris, Rachel Grey or possibly Hellion.

Xavier, despite his jobbing, is pretty powerful. If we're talking full potential, Gambit is definitely up there.

What about a full potential Storm, or Jubilee?

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
What about a full potential Storm, or Jubilee?

leftright

I've heard Jubilee would very powerful at full potential. Storm on the other hand...........ask Rutog and 2damnloud. ermmhappy

I think it's well established carver9 isn't to be taken seriously.

Carver, why don't you explain the context of Galactus's attack on Magneto?

It was a mere psionic feedback Galactus attacked with. It destroyed only a portion of Magneto's base lair. Galan probably used a fraction of a fraction of his power.

You're making it seem like something more than it really is.

Originally posted by endrict
He loses the fight and can't come back, you moron...
He cannot leave the fight to Sundip or moving the moon and throwing it....
so it's WW MM Orion vs the others

dude.....shut the **** up..you canadian piece of shit...he can come back to the fight if he wants to.

Nate and Full potential Cable! Hell Mags and Bobby are just bonuses.
Very sweet bonuses but bonuses none the less.

Originally posted by carver9
Nice post even though I think that anyone on the xmen team can take him and I think that 2 people on the avengers can beat him and one can stalemate him.

I'm really starting to dislike you. your immense stupidity and ignorance are getting on my nerves.

So listen well. No one here can take Orion 1v1. He's immune to TP, he's maybe the strongest guy here since he can amp with the astro force, and not even Thor can stop a blast of the AF, since just reflecting it won't do him any good. Orion will juice up from the reflected power.

Even Magneto's shields can't handle the AF. Iceman could reform, but to beat him, it's more Martian Manhunter's territory.

Worse yet, you put Orion into the battle without his MB, which means he's in total psycho bloodlust mode. Orion is called the dog of war for a reason. He's gonna go crazy and start shooting the AF all over the place. And his godly forcefield, means he's not gonna go down without a combined assault.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm really starting to dislike you. your immense stupidity and ignorance are getting on my nerves.

So listen well. No one here can take Orion 1v1. He's immune to TP, he's maybe the strongest guy here since he can amp with the astro force, and not even Thor can stop a blast of the AF, since just reflecting it won't do him any good. Orion will juice up from the reflected power.

Even Magneto's shields can't handle the AF. Iceman could reform, but to beat him, it's more Martian Manhunter's territory.

Worse yet, you put Orion into the battle without his MB, which means he's in total psycho bloodlust mode. Orion is called the dog of war for a reason. He's gonna go crazy and start shooting the AF all over the place. And his godly forcefield, means he's not gonna go down without a combined assault.


You can't tell him anything....he just has DC hate...as you can tell in every post he makes. I just say shit to piss him off now..lol

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
dude.....shut the **** up..you canadian piece of shit...he can come back to the fight if he wants to.



Hey man **** you.....I didn't put down you country did I?
So don't put down mine and BTW you have been reported...A$$WHIPE

FYI.....We can put down your country at anytime with the Fukups they do, but we don't. Got a question for you, do Canadians live in Igloos? your they type that will say yes.

For your stupid fanboy head of yours try reading the Goddamn rules..


Leaving the field

Combatants who leave the field of combat on purpose forfeit the match. If they are removed from the arena against their will (being punched, thrown, teleported, etc.) and can make it back under their own power, then they are still in the fight. Obviously, if a combatant leaves the field and cannot return under their own power, then they have lost.


Now before you reply back to this stop and read the rules, then STFU A$$HOLE.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/308157_1-forum-rules-read-me

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm really starting to dislike you. your immense stupidity and ignorance are getting on my nerves.

So listen well. No one here can take Orion 1v1. He's immune to TP, he's maybe the strongest guy here since he can amp with the astro force, and not even Thor can stop a blast of the AF, since just reflecting it won't do him any good. Orion will juice up from the reflected power.

Even Magneto's shields can't handle the AF. Iceman could reform, but to beat him, it's more Martian Manhunter's territory.

Worse yet, you put Orion into the battle without his MB, which means he's in total psycho bloodlust mode. Orion is called the dog of war for a reason. He's gonna go crazy and start shooting the AF all over the place. And his godly forcefield, means he's not gonna go down without a combined assault.

You really do over-hype Orion, you keep talking like this you'll make people think that Orion is ever that impressive. I really haven't been impressed by him for a very long time.

Iceman > all

Originally posted by llagrok
He has unlimited potential, he's not the most powerful x-man. If he was, Polaris wouldn't have taken him out so easily. I recon Hellion could take out Iceman.

You mean at the wedding where Polaris was kinda bloodlusted and Bobby was just trying to stop her by freezing her? Yea, shed take him out easily.

Both bloodlusted and Polaris loses.

And Iceman could beat Julian as well.

Originally posted by carver9
Im getting the 4 top tiers off each team. Choose the winning team and then which ever team win the people on the team have to fight until there is one man standing.

Justice league

Superman
Wonderwoman
Martian manhunter
Orion (dont have the mother box)

Avengers

Thor
Ion Wonderman
Hulk
Sentry

Xmen

Godlike Cable
Nate grey (xman)
Magneto (magneto has his forcefield up)
Iceman

Which team would win and who would be the last man standing on the winning team. By the way everyone has complete knowledge of everyones powers.

JLA wins - Near everyone on the team is immune or highly resistent to tp. They are all ridiculously strong, and all bring some kind of highly invincible weapon. Astroforce (which nobody on opposing teams can/should survive) Dianaś rope/tiara, MMś ridiculous versatility, and Superman who pretty much outfeats everyone. On top of this, the whole team can easily speedblitz.

Taking Orions motherbox away just made him more powerful and bloodlusted by the way.

Originally posted by jrodslam
You mean at the wedding where Polaris was kinda bloodlusted and Bobby was just trying to stop her by freezing her? Yea, shed take him out easily.

Both bloodlusted and Polaris loses.

And Iceman could beat Julian as well.

Nope, he couldn't.

Iceman takes care of the JLA.

Originally posted by llagrok
Nope, he couldn't.

Iceman takes care of the JLA.

Not on his own he doesn't.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Not on his own he doesn't.

Sure he does.

They crush him and he reforms by absorbing all the liquid in their bodies.

Originally posted by llagrok
Sure he does.

They crush him and he reforms by absorbing all the liquid in their bodies.

Or . . . MM completely mindf*cks him and he goes down hard.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Or . . . MM completely mindf*cks him and he goes down hard.

Can't mind ****, Cable and Nate's shielding.

Nate's armor = class 100+
Nate's telepathy = above xaviers

Originally posted by llagrok
Can't mind ****, Cable and Nate's shielding.

Nate's armor = class 100+
Nate's telepathy = above xaviers

So you're admiting that Iceman can't do it on his own then?

Originally posted by llagrok
Nope, he couldn't.

Neither bloodlusted Polaris nor Hellion is beating a bloodlusted Iceman. Les be clear on that.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So you're admiting that Iceman can't do it on his own then?

You got me there.

MM doesn't think that Iceman is a threat after being crushed, he'd have no reason to. Iceman absorbs their liquid.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
In other words...have you ever flicked a booger? That's how much effort it would take for Supes to move a planet.

Post-Crisis Superman has only moved a planet off-panel without sun dipping. You're thinking of Pre-Crisis.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Neither bloodlusted Polaris nor Hellion is beating a bloodlusted Iceman. Les be clear on that.

Iceman = unable to hurt O*N*E sentinels

Hellion = runs straight through them with little effort

Hellion > Iceman

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
you canadian piece of shit ...

Originally posted by llagrok
Iceman = unable to hurt O*N*E sentinels

Hellion = runs straight through them with little effort

Hellion > Iceman

Just because A beat B and C couldnt beat B, doesnt mean that C cant beat A.

Iceman beat Stranger.

Stranger > O*N*E Sentinel.

Stranger > Iceman

Hellion > Iceman

Telekinetic bubble around Iceman rubble.

Originally posted by llagrok
Stranger > Iceman

Hellion > Iceman

Telekinetic bubble around Iceman rubble.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
You can't tell him anything....he just has DC hate...as you can tell in every post he makes. I just say shit to piss him off now..lol

Originally posted by jrodslam




See, this is where you completely fail.

Telekinesis can isolate pretty much everything. After Hellion has crushed Iceman into bits, he can create a telekinetic bubble around him. That way Iceman can't absorb any liquid from him and reform. Are you keeping up with new x-men these days? Hellion's pretty much capable of bursting through any form of defense.

I know Iceman reformed after being "killed" by Fuego. But that's through means that wouldn't work on Hellion.

I doubt Iceman could defeat The Stranger a proper fight, if I'm thinking about the right one.

Originally posted by llagrok
See, this is where you completely fail.

Telekinesis can isolate pretty much everything. After Hellion has crushed Iceman into bits, he can create a telekinetic bubble around him. That way Iceman can't absorb any liquid from him and reform. Are you keeping up with new x-men these days? Hellion's pretty much capable of bursting through any form of defense.

I know Iceman reformed after being "killed" by Fuego. But that's through means that wouldn't work on Hellion.

I doubt Iceman could defeat The Stranger a proper fight, if I'm thinking about the right one.

I fail to see where ive failed.

After Iceman is crushed into bits, his conciousness can be wherever. Iceman may be able to manipulate Hellions blood before hes even shattered.

Hell, last time i checked a flash freeze was instant.

How can Hellion defend against that?

And Iceman wasnt killed by Fuego. His body was destroyed/absorbed. Thats it.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I fail to see where ive failed.

After Iceman is crushed into bits, his conciousness can be wherever. Iceman may be able to manipulate Hellions blood before hes even shattered.

Hell, last time i checked a flash freeze was instant.

How can Hellion defend against that?

And Iceman wasnt killed by Fuego. His body was destroyed/absorbed. Thats it. -

He can defend against it with TELEKINESIS

Originally posted by llagrok
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He can defend against it with TELEKINESIS

So he can keep his blood from being frozen in place with telekinesis? I doubt that. Unless ofcourse you canprove that.

Hellion can use telekinesis to block every water molecule in his body from INSTANTLY being frozen in place? Again, i doubt that. Unless ofcourse you can prove otherwise.

Originally posted by llagrok
See, this is where you completely fail.

Telekinesis can isolate pretty much everything. After Hellion has crushed Iceman into bits, he can create a telekinetic bubble around him. That way Iceman can't absorb any liquid from him and reform. Are you keeping up with new x-men these days? Hellion's pretty much capable of bursting through any form of defense.

I know Iceman reformed after being "killed" by Fuego. But that's through means that wouldn't work on Hellion.

I doubt Iceman could defeat The Stranger a proper fight, if I'm thinking about the right one.

Well, Julian has all the possibilities for successful sneak attack on Iceman. Julian is the best in New X-Men team to my taste...but in real duel with Iceman he loses, unless CIS is involved...

But that doesn't matter...I really doubt Iceman can cause major troubles to JLA team...But the telepathic duel between Martian Manhunter and Cable\X-Man would be a delight to watch. And poor Martian loses to the double team.
But as was already stated, Astroforce is the JLA's trump card.

Originally posted by jrodslam
So he can keep his blood from being frozen in place with telekinesis? I doubt that. Unless ofcourse you canprove that.

Hellion can use telekinesis to block every water molecule in his body from INSTANTLY being frozen in place? Again, i doubt that. Unless ofcourse you can prove otherwise.

Telekinesis.

When I see a scan of Iceman killing a student with flash freeze, or any person for that matter. I'll believe you.

Hellion has no scruples when it comes to attacking friends/teachers.

Until then, Telekinesis protects him

Iceman is one of CIS-affected characters... he has some ridiculously powerful showings, but 80% of his showings is him acting like moron..

Yeah, he's the constant victim of Plot Induced Stupidity

Character Induced, not Plot Induced. The same thing is with Human Torch. They have pretty great showings, but those elemental boys often end up looking pretty stupid on battlefield without tactical backup....

Originally posted by llagrok
Stranger > Iceman

Hellion > Iceman

Telekinetic bubble around Iceman rubble.
Julian was ampd by whitequeen before he did that and passed out very shortly after going thru a O.N.E sentinel. Bobby now knows there are humans inside, meaning if bloodlusted theres that chance the humans inside become frozen eh...

Originally posted by outavodka
Julian was ampd by whitequeen before he did that and passed out very shortly after going thru a O.N.E sentinel. Bobby now knows there are humans inside, meaning if bloodlusted theres that chance the humans inside become frozen eh...

You are wrong

But do not despair, there is nothing wrong in being wrong

He wasn't amped beyond his abilities. Emma just unlocked his full potential, and even though the effect was shortlasting, Julian was able to use his powers on higher level after that incident.

And about O N E Sentinel... if Iceman was really capable of flash freeze to the avbsolute zero, he'd be able to break Sentinel like nothing. But he lost to fuc*ing mecha...shame on him.

The JLA would win. They are simply more powerful than the other two teams. Hulk and Wonderman won't be too much help for the Avengers, and Magneto and Iceman wouldn't last long for the X-Men.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
The JLA would win. They are simply more powerful than the other two teams. Hulk and Wonderman won't be too much help for the Avengers, and Magneto and Iceman wouldn't last long for the X-Men.

I'm gonna have to disagree. Iceman and Magneto are both quite durable.

Backed by two good psychics is enough for them to actually win this IMO.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'm gonna have to disagree. Iceman and Magneto are both quite durable.

Backed by two good psychics is enough for them to actually win this IMO.

The problem is the two psychics are their most powerful members, and they will be too busy dealing with MM to be of any help against the others.

Magneto is powerful, but I don't recall him ever taking on anyone in the herald level except for Thor (and even there he was in the fight because he was able to control his hammer).

Iceman is durable, but besides the PIS against the Stranger, what else has he done? Who else has he faced who was herald level and held his own?

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
He wasn't amped beyond his abilities. Emma just unlocked his full potential, and even though the effect was shortlasting, Julian was able to use his powers on higher level after that incident.

And about O N E Sentinel... if Iceman was really capable of flash freeze to the avbsolute zero, he'd be able to break Sentinel like nothing. But he lost to fuc*ing mecha...shame on him.

He's still at full power, he just doesn't have any control. Like he demonstrated when trying to pick up the paperclip

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm really starting to dislike you. your immense stupidity and ignorance is getting on my nerves.

innocent

Originally posted by celestialdemon
The problem is the two psychics are their most powerful members, and they will be too busy dealing with MM to be of any help against the others.

Magneto is powerful, but I don't recall him ever taking on anyone in the herald level except for Thor (and even there he was in the fight because he was able to control his hammer).

Iceman is durable, but besides the PIS against the Stranger, what else has he done? Who else has he faced who was herald level and held his own?

His offense is at least enough to make a good distraction against the other teams (keep freezing or trying to liquify them). His durability is what makes him the biggest asset. With Cable or Nate protecting his mind there isn't much that can be done to him that he won't reform from.

If the opposing psychics are taken out of the picture some how the only way Bobby is going to be beaten is by BFR.

Nate has that armor thing he can give people right? That would probably keep Mags in the fight for a long time and let him screw with people for a while until Cable or Nate can go on a major offensive.

I remember that incident with paperclip and blowing hole into the floor. Poor Julian isn't used to being at full potential...but he's definetely powerful one.
The most powerful of current New X-Men. Elixir might have unlimited potential, but Julian already has his potential unlocked.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
His offense is at least enough to make a good distraction against the other teams (keep freezing or trying to liquify them). His durability is what makes him the biggest asset. With Cable or Nate protecting his mind there isn't much that can be done to him that he won't reform from.

If the opposing psychics are taken out of the picture some how the only way Bobby is going to be beaten is by BFR.

Nate has that armor thing he can give people right? That would probably keep Mags in the fight for a long time and let him screw with people for a while until Cable or Nate can go on a major offensive.

No one can survive Iceman stealing their liquid

It's instant kill ^^

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
I remember that incident with paperclip and blowing hole into the floor. Poor Julian isn't used to being at full potential...but he's definetely powerful one.
The most powerful of current New X-Men. Elixir might have unlimited potential, but Julian already has his potential unlocked.

Yeah, but I wonder how strong Rockslide is nowadays. I'm guessing slightly weaker than Colossus or something.

Is there a new x-men discussion thread?

Originally posted by llagrok
No one can survive Iceman stealing their liquid

It's instant kill ^^

Not always especially against people like WonderWoman who is resistant to that kind of thing and WonderMan who (when ionic has no water). Plus he needs to get a chance to target them. Most of the people here are faster than he is.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Not always especially against people like WonderWoman who is resistant to that kind of thing and WonderMan who (when ionic has no water). Plus he needs to get a chance to target them. Most of the people here are faster than he is. '

He doesn't have to target them.

She can't just "resist" it.

Originally posted by llagrok
He doesn't have to target them.

So . . . anyone he doesn't like just dies instantly whether he knows where they are or not?

Originally posted by llagrok
She can't just "resist" it.

Elaborate.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So . . . anyone he doesn't like just dies instantly whether he knows where they are or not?

Okay, he has to target the one he's going to absorb from. But how is she supposed to know that? She has no idea what he's capable of.

How can she just resist it? It's not something that has anything to do with willpower.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
His offense is at least enough to make a good distraction against the other teams (keep freezing or trying to liquify them). His durability is what makes him the biggest asset. With Cable or Nate protecting his mind there isn't much that can be done to him that he won't reform from.

If the opposing psychics are taken out of the picture some how the only way Bobby is going to be beaten is by BFR.

Nate has that armor thing he can give people right? That would probably keep Mags in the fight for a long time and let him screw with people for a while until Cable or Nate can go on a major offensive.

I don't think Cable is going to be able to protect Iceman from psychic attacks and Nate do the armor thing for Magneto all while dealing with Manhunter. MM is too powerful for even these two psychics to multitask against.

Doesn't it take Iceman awhile to reform once he's been destroyed?

Originally posted by llagrok
Okay, he has to target the one he's going to absorb from. But how is she supposed to know that? She has no idea what he's capable of.

How can she just resist it? It's not something that has anything to do with willpower.

Read the rules. They are all fully aware of their opponents abilities.

Originally posted by llagrok
Okay, he has to target the one he's going to absorb from. But how is she supposed to know that? She has no idea what he's capable of.

Are you making the argument that everyone else will just stand there and LET Iceman kill them?

How can she just resist it? It's not something that has anything to do with willpower.

It's not a will power thing. Part of WW's powers is that you can't screw with her insides.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
I don't think Cable is going to be able to protect Iceman from psychic attacks and Nate do the armor thing for Magneto all while dealing with Manhunter. MM is too powerful for even these two psychics to multitask against.

srug So they let Mags die. They don't have to give Bobby complete protection either all they really need to do is distract Manhunter until they can solve the problem of how to get rid of him.

With a good concerted effort Nate and Cable would be able to take MM out of the picture for a while.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Doesn't it take Iceman awhile to reform once he's been destroyed?

Yes. However he's not much less dangerous in a vaporized form.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
I don't think Cable is going to be able to protect Iceman from psychic attacks and Nate do the armor thing for Magneto all while dealing with Manhunter. MM is too powerful for even these two psychics to multitask against.

Doesn't it take Iceman awhile to reform once he's been destroyed?

Haven't seen anyone capable of mindblasting Nate and Cable yet. Nate's telepathy is far above anyone we've seen yet. Nate can also give his armor to anyone he wishes, which makes the durable enough to take punches from the hulk. Creating it takes a second.

Giving everyone complete knowledge over their opponents powers is just complete bullshit. Makes it impossible for the Avengers and X-men to win.

Wonder if Magneto can cancel out everyone's powers...

Originally posted by llagrok
Giving everyone complete knowledge over their opponents powers is just complete bullshit. Makes it impossible for the Avengers and X-men to win./B]

They get basic knowledge. And it's not bull it's just a way to make the fights more reasonable.

Originally posted by llagrok
Wonder if Magneto can cancel out everyone's powers...

He can't. That power has only worked on mutants.

Originally posted by llagrok
Telekinesis.

When I see a scan of Iceman killing a student with flash freeze, or any person for that matter. I'll believe you.

Hellion has no scruples when it comes to attacking friends/teachers.

Until then, Telekinesis protects him Forum fight- he's bloodlusted. This means he's angry beyond repair with Julian. This means he wouldn't have any qualms about ending the mutie's life.

And, IIRC, Julian has never demonstrated fine enough control to be able to keep every individual water molecule in his body from being frozen.

"By the way everyone has complete knowledge of everyones powers"

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

srug So they let Mags die. They don't have to give Bobby complete protection either all they really need to do is distract Manhunter until they can solve the problem of how to get rid of him.

With a good concerted effort Nate and Cable would be able to take MM out of the picture for a while.


True. I believe given enough time and effort, they will both be victorious against MM. But that leaves Superman, Orion, and Wonder Woman the task of dealing with Magneto and Iceman. Each one of them have taken on and beaten beings far more powerful than either one of these two.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yes. However he's not much less dangerous in a vaporized form.

We're not even sure if Iceman's vapor form would affect these 4. They don't need air to breathe. There's a good chance they don't need moisture either. But, I don't want to get into the scientifics behind that.

How exactly can Iceman affect them in this form?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
We're not even sure if Iceman's vapor form would affect these 4. They don't need air to breathe. There's a good chance they don't need moisture either. But, I don't want to get into the scientifics behind that.

How exactly can Iceman affect them in this form?

Well one Iceman gets inside them (I think he can control his motion even as a gas) he could probably start doing tons of damage to them.

Odds are they have some sort of moisture in them. If IM starts messing with that their fighting ability will drop off sharply.

Originally posted by llagrok
Haven't seen anyone capable of mindblasting Nate and Cable yet. Nate's telepathy is far above anyone we've seen yet. Nate can also give his armor to anyone he wishes, which makes the durable enough to take punches from the hulk. Creating it takes a second.

Giving everyone complete knowledge over their opponents powers is just complete bullshit. Makes it impossible for the Avengers and X-men to win.

Wonder if Magneto can cancel out everyone's powers...

Neither one could take Onslaught. Now, I'm not debating if MM is on Onslaught's level. Just pointing out that it is possible to be more powerful than them.

If Nate gives his armor to someone else, doesn't that kind of leave himself open to attack?

As for having knowledge of their opponents' powers, that's the thread starter's rules, so that's what we have to take into account.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Neither one could take Onslaught. Now, I'm not debating if MM is on Onslaught's level. Just pointing out that it is possible to be more powerful than them.

If Nate gives his armor to someone else, doesn't that kind of leave himself open to attack?

As for having knowledge of their opponents' powers, that's the thread starter's rules, so that's what we have to take into account.

There's no point in debating this. DC basically has no speed limits. Wonder woman and MM are just too fast.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Well one Iceman gets inside them (I think he can control his motion even as a gas) he could probably start doing tons of damage to them.

Odds are they have some sort of moisture in them. If IM starts messing with that their fighting ability will drop off sharply.

I know that it is very exhausting for Iceman to revert to vapor form, so I think I will have to see him actually perform an attack like this on someone who is herald level or above before I take this into account.

Originally posted by llagrok
There's no point in debating this. DC basically has no speed limits. Wonder woman and MM are just too fast.

Very true. With the speedblitz in place, it's not going to be that great of a battle

if iceman weren't such a jackass he could just disperse his consciousness into every available bit of moisture in the air, all of them have to breath he could kill them from the inside out, he should conceivably be able to separate the hydrogen and oxygen molecules that make up water and then wait for somebody with heat vision to blow everybody straight to hell. I really don't see MM taking on nate and cable telepathically simultaneously without a major problem. nate can also solidify telepathic constructs can telekinetically cause dust to take the form of anything he can imagine to add to the confusion. my main problem with this, is that out of the xmen only one is an xman, iceman. Cable is to on and off to be considered a real member, nate never joined, and magneto has only been one in alternate realities, except when he was pretending to be xaivers brother or something like that when he was the new mutants headmaster. if cable has his psimitar he can plunge it into MMs head destroying both of their powers like he planned to do to jean when he thought she might be going dark phoenix. nate has also shown the ability to freeze localized time, like he did when he and threnody were walking in some blizzard and everything including the snow and the birds froze in place i think it's the same issue he was attacked by exodus. if cable and nates powers are as strong as they are portrayed to be then they should be able to erect forcefields that can withstand anything, and now we know, thanks to psylocke and rachel, that telekinetics can combine their powers into something much stronger,but then again nate and cable might take each other out since being in close proximity to each other causes some kind of psionic feedback due to them having almost identical psi signatures or some such nonsense. magento has been shown in the past to be quite adapt at protecting his mind from most forms of telepathic intrusions. i could care less what happens to any of the avengers.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
JLA wins - Near everyone on the team is immune or highly resistent to tp. They are all ridiculously strong, and all bring some kind of highly invincible weapon. Astroforce (which nobody on opposing teams can/should survive) Dianaś rope/tiara, MMś ridiculous versatility, and Superman who pretty much outfeats everyone. On top of this, the whole team can easily speedblitz.

Taking Orions motherbox away just made him more powerful and bloodlusted by the way.

See? I'm not the only one who thinks the JLA take this, and that Orion's AF is the big gun.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
See? I'm not the only one who thinks the JLA take this, and that Orion's AF is the big gun. Notice he said Superman > Orion.

Supes has the better feats, but in a fight, Orion would kill him.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Supes has the better feats, but in a fight, Orion would kill him. Kill, eh?

So, you'd give him a significant majority then?

Damn right. Superman's biofield can't protect him from the AF. And he currently has a bad track record against it to begin with.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Kill, eh?

So, you'd give him a significant majority then?

Trickster has admitted to getting all his Orion Info from a combination of respect threads and Long Pig's ranting.

Take his opinion with a salt mine.

Originally posted by Soljer
Trickster has admitted to getting all his Orion Info from a combination of respect threads and Long Pig's ranting.

Take his opinion with a salt mine. Oh, I know.
It's just like Trickster's opinions of Darkseid and of Apocalypse.

JLA takes this IMHO. The JLA has too many heralders on it's team.

Kaos Lord reminded me. Nate Grey can pretty much freeze time. They wouldn't be able to defend against that.

I prefer LordKaos, but it's cool.

Originally posted by LordKaos
I prefer LordKaos, but it's cool.

Don't push it

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
JLA takes this IMHO. The JLA has too many heralders on it's team.

I think xmen win and I dont consider anyone that i have listed on the jla side is anything close to being herald level. If superman and wonder woman is herald level, then we can say, gladiator is herald level, hyperion is herald level, marvel girl (not binary) is herald level, wonderman is herald level, captain brittain, even hercules.

I dont consider none of these people any where near the herald level category. That can manipulate time, matter manipulate, create life..etc.... but they are powerful.

By the way, how are the jla going to get past nate and cable force field when nothing has ever done that.

god like Cable went one on one with the damn Silver Surfer who is a couple levels ahead of every one else on the list and had a damn good showing.So I well say X-men no one else could stand up to the SS on this list and Silver Surfer would run through every body except Cable and maybe Thor only because his harmer could block a couple blast from him.

Originally posted by 1Easta1
god like Cable went one on one with the damn Silver Surfer who is a couple levels ahead of every one else on the list and had a damn good showing.So I well say X-men no one else could stand up to the SS on this list and Silver Surfer would run through every body except Cable and maybe Thor only because his harmer could block a couple blast from him.

Are you ignorant? The Silver Surfer owned Cable, and Norrin isn't 'a couple levels ahead' of the JLA.

Originally posted by Soljer
Are you ignorant? The Silver Surfer owned Cable, and Norrin isn't 'a couple levels ahead' of the JLA.

Arguing with some of these silly children is useless when they believe results such as this:

hmm..

JLA for the win.

Originally posted by carver9
I think xmen win and I dont consider anyone that i have listed on the jla side is anything close to being herald level. If superman and wonder woman is herald level, then we can say, gladiator is herald level, hyperion is herald level, marvel girl (not binary) is herald level, wonderman is herald level, captain brittain, even hercules.

I dont consider none of these people any where near the herald level category. That can manipulate time, matter manipulate, create life..etc.... but they are powerful.

By the way, how are the jla going to get past nate and cable force field when nothing has ever done that.

dur

God like cable did have a pretty good showing and silver surfer snuck cable, so the fight wasnt fair to begin with. I think god like cable can take anyone on the list one of one (have doubt about nate and thor).

Surfer spanked Jesus Cable. And Jesus Cable isn't beating MM or Orion.

Originally posted by Soljer
Are you ignorant? The Silver Surfer owned Cable, and Norrin isn't 'a couple levels ahead' of the JLA. How was that knot a good showing and Cable was not even read for him and what could any of the JLA do to Silver Surfer heat,strength,speedblitz,telepathic Norrin Radd could counter all of those and he could use cosmic awareness to know to pump Clark with kryptonite rays are suck the sun right out of him.He could also just beat them with pure strength speed cosmic blast or matter manipulation and turn the all into silver like he did Spider-man and Daredevil with out even raising a hand are finger.

The fight between Cable and the Surfer was barely even a fight. While Surfer was flying in the air holding Cable, Cable smashes the board and sends SS to the ground. Then he lands one punch that throws Surfer backwards. After that, Surfer shoots Cable with his eye beams. Fight over. Cable lost.

Oh, and it wasn't a cheap shot. Cable was facing SS when the attack happened, and Surfer's eyes glowed before he struck.

Lord, you're quite the Marvel fanboy, aren't you?

See the title under my name? I represent the Silver Surfer for the Illuminati because I'm a huge fan of his.

However, there is a very bold line between fan and fanboy. You're quite fargone.

I say JLA...

i don't think the X-Men are as powerful as people are making them out to be, and besides, the only reason surfer could take the jla'ers is his energy manipulation... supes especially is on norrin's level when it comes to strength and durability...

iceman isn't as much an element in this fight when mm is there imo, and cable and nate still have to defend themselves, and the other two at the same time? i think that's slightly beyond them to be honest...

the avengers are capable of taking it, though the jla would take the win imo, they just have too much backing them...

Martian is an ungodly powerful telepath, one of the most powerful in comics, and probably the best on DC earth. I'd put him over Nate in TP skill. Plus, Martian has the advantage of molecular manipulation to increase his powers and all the tricks and skills of the entire telepathic martian race.

WonderWoman's lasso is a major weapon, which could take almost anyone here out. Not to mention the magic tiara does mondo magic damage.

Superman......is Superman.

Orion has the biggest gun in the unstoppable AF. Not to mention he's a homocidal maniac without his MB. Worst part, is he can still think. He definitely takes after his father in terms of battle ferocity.

I still think that the xmen takes this. Just to much raw power (even though the jla have power of there own.)

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Martian is an ungodly powerful telepath, one of the most powerful in comics, and probably the best on DC earth. I'd put him over Nate in TP skill. Plus, Martian has the advantage of molecular manipulation to increase his powers and all the tricks and skills of the entire telepathic martian race.

WonderWoman's lasso is a major weapon, which could take almost anyone here out. Not to mention the magic tiara does mondo magic damage.

Superman......is Superman.

Orion has the biggest gun in the unstoppable AF. Not to mention he's a homocidal maniac without his MB. Worst part, is he can still think. He definitely takes after his father in terms of battle ferocity.

Originally posted by carver9
I still think that the xmen takes this. Just to much raw power (even though the jla have power of there own.)

but their power is exactly that, raw. the jla have been doing this gig for years, and in superman and diana's case, a few thousand years... experience will count for an awful lot in a fight like this imo...

i don't think it's fair to dismiss their experience just because somebody said they have a lot of raw power the only one of them who is not that experienced with his power is Xman, but he is hella creative when using them, Magneto has just about absolute control over his power, Cable was raised by an entire cult of telepathic time jumpers and Iceman no matter how ineffectual he may seem is one of the first X-men, Xavier and Jean have telepathic ways of jamming years of training into a persons mind, I think that may be part of the reason why a clown like Iceman has even survived this long. Now continue with your debating it amuses me

FYI, Orion is the oldest guy here.

Anyways, all the good arguements have been said. And if you think the Askani or Cable&Nate are as good as the martian race when it comes to TP, you are tripping. vin

Originally posted by LordKaos
i don't think it's fair to dismiss their experience just because somebody said they have a lot of raw power the only one of them who is not that experienced with his power is Xman, but he is hella creative when using them, Magneto has just about absolute control over his power, Cable was raised by an entire cult of telepathic time jumpers and Iceman no matter how ineffectual he may seem is one of the first X-men, Xavier and Jean have telepathic ways of jamming years of training into a persons mind, I think that may be part of the reason why a clown like Iceman has even survived this long. Now continue with your debating it amuses me

i didnt say they werent experienced, i said that the JLA just had more...

that as well as their frankly awesome power (even higher than that of the x-men imo), wins it for them imo...

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
FYI, Orion is the oldest guy here.

Anyways, all the good arguements have been said. And if you think the Askani or Cable&Nate are as good as the martian race when it comes to TP, you are tripping. vin

I'll assume that comment was for me, martians are born with telepathy, so are nate and cable, so making a comment about a telepathic race being better than two other natural telepaths is one sided especially since as far i know we have no idea if telepathic races train as vigorous at developing a talent (that to them is not a talent) that takes the place of mouthed speech. We can argue that Rachel taught the askani teachings to cable while she was wielding a portion of the Phoenix force, which at least when it was first envisioned derived all it's power from the psyches of every sentient being in the universe, you don't get more telepathic than that, but we won't argue why? because i was under the impression pr1983 was saying the x-men were nothing but raw power my impression was wrong.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Arguing with some of these silly children is useless when they believe results such as this:

hmm..

JLA for the win.
Look at the results here for Son-Goku vs. Living Tribunal:

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Look at the results here for Son-Goku vs. Living Tribunal:



Seems reasonable

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Look at the results here for Son-Goku vs. Living Tribunal:



Just Goku and the Living Tribunal being in the same sentence makes me want to

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Just Goku and the Living Tribunal being in the same sentence makes me want to

You just used them in the same sentence nuts

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You just used them in the same sentence nuts

Which is why I have a trash can next to me right now.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm really starting to dislike you. your immense stupidity and ignorance are getting on my nerves.

2007 Carver was just as formidable as the current version.

I was ****ing 10 when he made these gems. You're awesome, Carv.

Shaman nate grey and god cable are just too much..full potential iceman and magneto are just icing on the cake

Justice League. Superman is last one standing.