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The badass berserker man of the anime/manga Berserk takes on the rage consumed spartan, god of war.
Guts in his life has shown the capablity of defeating, one-on-one giant ogres, legions of demons, legions of trolls, a whole army of human beings, annihilated a platoon of demons, defeated a demongod..........all while being a regular human being...albeit a humanbeing with almost inextinguishable survivor instincts. Guts is stronger than your average human due to his size (more than six foot) and the fact taht he has been a mercenary since he was 9 years old. he also has an undying anguish in him that presses him on for vengeance. He has amazing stamina, has weapons like the throwing knives, repeating corssbow, minature bombs, a knife and the hidden canon that has saved his life on many occassions. his main weapon though is the massive 6foot zweihander he weilds with great speed and skill, powerful enough to cut through anything and after 3 years of fighitng monsters, it blade has become specialized in dealing with demons and the undead. it has its own evil aura thanks to all the butchery Guts has done with. when facing a legion of trolls in their den, Guts was literally whistling while chopping away at them and by the time it was done he was standing over a mountain of smashed limbs and heads.

Kratos, as we all know, is the rage consumed Ghost of sparta, defeating (rather overpowering) ogres, cyclops, zombies, madusas, sirens, taking on legions of undeads. He is A LOT stronger than an average human being, going so far as to overpower a collosus and a hydra and other greek monsters. he even defeated Cerebrus by ripping all three of its heads clean off. A real psycho. his main weapon is the twin blades with the chains attached that make it easier for him to produce long ranged attacks. Capable of ripping people in half with his great strenght (no kidding), overpowering minotaurs and giant rhinos, and various weapons, KRatos is almost unstoppable.

So who wins between the two. Guts and his zwheihander or Kratos and his blades of Ares. Who will it be The Berserker God of NEver ending anguish or the Ghost of Sparta.

~Sado

whats Guts endurance like? it seems he has attack abilities to rival Kratos but what can he withstand? also waht form is this, God kratos?

Kratos version is the one like how he is in God of War1. you know the normal one (if you call that freak of nature normal anyway).

Guts is a regular human being. he isn't enhanced in any way (also I'm not using the Berserker Armor version of him where he is immune to the feeling of pain the cursed armor he wears will even fix any bone that will break). For a regular human being Guts' stamina and endurance is commendable to say the least. For instance:
-he fought a giant 3 story demon that smashed him with a WHOLE TREE a couple of times! guts eventually won the fight!
-at the event called the Eclipse guts took on thousands and thousands of giant demons with a broken knife....and this was right after a battle in which he had to be stitched up and had broken (cracked) some of his bones and had suffered from internal injuries. guts (age 19) wasn't winning but he was putting up a fight. he lost his right eye in this fight and..
-he cut off his own left forearm to free himself from a demon. Guts tried to cut the monsters mouth but the sword broke. instead guts continuously hit his own forearm with the broken blade till his forearm was cut in half.
-(age 21)as a demonhunter, he was repeatedly smashed with the tail of a giant serpeant but still managed to not only walk but kicked the demon's ass
-(age 20) he was smashed through giant pillar by a giant demon repeatedly. He would simply get up and say one of his coolest lines "hah! broke my fingers, dislocated by arm, broken ribs, internal bleeded and my mind is blanking out..........nothing I can't handle!" he then proceeds to kill it.
-(age 21) he fought a flying demon who took him with her really, really high in the air. he fell down and got right back up to fight.....and this was right after fighting his way in a forest infested with giant insects, and was burnt by a huge fire. oh, and guts would finally kill her off only to face an army of human beings....and almost won.
-(age 22) he was electricuted thrice by a demon that was made up of a thunder cloud. He got right back up and lunged at it....to get electricuted till his facial skin peeled off but still swung his zweihander and defeated it......and all this was after fighitng off a wave of demon soldiers and being rammed by a 10foot flying minotaur.
-same age, he purposely let himself be smashed through a castle by an ogre just so he could get close enough to kill it.
-guts fought his way up a castle full of guards, then took on a wave of demon fighters, was in the tower when it collapsed, got back up started fighting more demons, fought a really strong demon who had armor skin, defeated it, fought more demons, and was in the rubble when the whole place caved in, (by now it was day), got back up and fought a legion of human soldiers, took his girlfriend and fought his way through the army.
-please not that at the age of 22, Guts got the armor called the berserk armor. prior to this he wore a regular armor (which really didn't help much). With the berserk armor, the user goes berserk and feels no pain. if a bone is broken, the shards inside the armor spike the body and literally impale the bone and support it. after a fight with a giant, when a critically wounded guts wore it for the first time, he broke his ribs, his leg and his arm bones. the armor spikes peirced his body and locked all these bones in place till the fight was over. afterwards the armor literally had to be PEALED off his body since it had dug so deep and spiked him. Guts' already scarred body was scarred even more so and his critical wound on his chest hadn't fully healed either. all the Age 22 feats I've mentioned are by THIS ailing, half dead guts!
*see attached picture of his scarred body*

and many, many more incidents. Please note that Guts only has one arm to weild his 6foot sword. the other hand is a fake metal hand that only has a magnet in it for balance. With one back hand swing with the sword, Guts cuts on average of atleast 5 heavily armed opponents in half....along with the horses. In fact, if he puts effort guts cuts through 10 trolls/zombies/humans with one swing.

you really need to see the Berserk the anime. and if you can get your hands on the manga...all the more better. try this site:
www.thehawks.org
you'll find it there, i think.

IMO, I'd love to see this fight no matter who wins. But being Guts' biggest fan I'll side with him. Not saying he'll win though. I'm still undecided.

~Sado

Guts is a mad man, he doesnt feel pain and has fought thousands of demons. All guts has EVER known his whole life is battle. I say guts would win. If he has the berserker amour, he would win for sure.

Guts with berserker armor would DEFINITELY win. no stopping a madman gone even more mad.
the best part about guts is that after living the most cursed, f--ked up life, he's still cocky and is otherwise normal.
Kratos is a cranky bastard, always pissedoff and always yelling.........even though he's only been betrayed and killed his family by mistake.

Guts:
-was born off a corpse
-was raised by a mercenary who hated him/was indifferent to him
-was hated by his mercenary step father for being responsible for his wife's fatal illness.
-had to kill his step father in self defense
-fought in wars since the age of 9
-was raped as a child
-had to find out that his stepfather actually sold him off to the rapist for THREE SILVER COINS!!!!
-was betrayed by the person he had thrown away his life for so many times
-was forced to watch his girl get raped
-had his eye crushed
-had to cut his own forearm
-his girl lost her sanity and is now a mere child mentally
-she gave birth to a deformed son
-she now hates him after he attacked her (when he was possessed)
-she wouldn't let him touch their "new" son
-lost all his friends in ONE NIGHT
-always has his destiny being messed with by the godhand
-barely sleeps all day, and fights all the way till sunrise almost EVERYDAY
-is branded by the cursed brand meaning that no matter where he is demons will always hunt him and there is no running away
-fights against destiny but god of his universe is evil so all his efforts are invain.........not to mention that after all this he will go to hell since god himself in berserk universe is evil
-is critcally wounded and at any given moment the berserk armor can take him over

etc. etc. etc.

KRatos' suffering is not even Guts' left nut and he's still so cranky.
Guts has personality.

~The Black Swordsman Sado-sama

hmm yeh id say Guts wins this if its just normal Kratos, not easily mind you...he may end up with some broken bones but will prob kill Kratos in the end

Damn, what a hard knock life.

yeah....probably the worst life in the world (next to mine)


yup...Guts will probably win. 5.5/10 in his favor.
the thing is it just becomes so much more impressive than Kratos since Guts does it all with his own strength.

~The Miserable Never Ending Anguish Sado-sama

Gatts wins against normal Kratos.

His pain tolerance is downrigth insane.

is this against the rules tho? i mean i thought you said he was a Anime/Manga character, not a gaming

Gatts and the whole "Berserk" universe have been showcased in at least two games so far.

ah yes i see, looked it up just as i said that lol he looks pretty cool, wouldnt mind playing a game of that myself

No contest in my mind. Gutts. Brilliant idea, too, Sado. Keep em coming.

you keep 'em coming too Muck101! how about some more Tekken vs SF threads just to pissoff the 2D fans.................just like old times

~The Invincible Thread Maker Sado-sama

Originally posted by Sado22
you keep 'em coming too Muck101! how about some more Tekken vs SF threads just to pissoff the 2D fans.................just like old times

~The Invincible Thread Maker Sado-sama

this thread cooled down a bit so I'm just revitalizing it a bit:
just a pic of all the weird crap guts has to fight with his normal human self.

That will not save him from Panda

you're an idiot if you think guts would win!

Kratos went to hell twice, and fought his way out.

He killed a God.

He killed the Sisters of the Fate (The most powerful beings in the world) and now he wields the power of time.

He's fought Zeus (KING OF THE FrEAKING GODS) and he survived, surving alone is worthy in and of itself.

He resisted the crushing palms of Atlas!

He faught the Colossus and killed it with a sword.

He fought the Hyda (only ever killed by Hercules) and won by IMPALING IT'S MAIN HEAD OVER THE MAST OF A BOAT!

He died twice by getting stabbed through the heart by objects bigger then he is.....And LIVED.

I mean, just saying: Kratos against: Every video game villain ever created is saying: This is a very fair battle if Kratos had no eyes and no legs.

Originally posted by Cooples
you're an idiot if you think guts would win!

Kratos went to hell twice, and fought his way out.

He killed a God.

He killed the Sisters of the Fate (The most powerful beings in the world) and now he wields the power of time.

He's fought Zeus (KING OF THE FrEAKING GODS) and he survived, surving alone is worthy in and of itself.

He resisted the crushing palms of Atlas!

He faught the Colossus and killed it with a sword.

He fought the Hyda (only ever killed by Hercules) and won by IMPALING IT'S MAIN HEAD OVER THE MAST OF A BOAT!

He died twice by getting stabbed through the heart by objects bigger then he is.....And LIVED.

I'd say, if someone even breathed "Kratos" in the midst of Sephiroth, Sephiroth would **bleep** himself, throw himself on the floor and say he'd go 14 rounds with a party of every character from every FF game fighting him at once at level 99.

I mean, just saying: Kratos against: Every video game villain ever created is saying: This is a very fair battle if Kratos had no eyes and no legs.

Can you say Kratos fanboy? AND you already posted this...and you don't even remove the parts about Sephiroth. Can you say lazy Kratos fanboy?

well there is a difference between being lazy and not having the time to write it all again, so I apologize but I did change it.
and I am simply being logical, Kratos is very underrated.

Do you even know who Guts is?

good question ESB, i was just going to ask this guy myself.

look cooples, you're free to give an opinion but get a grip first. lets see:

Some of those feats in the Kratos list werent done without the power ups tho.

I tend to give Gats the win if hes figthing Kratos at regular levels and gear. Out of that his chances tend to get slim and slimmer.

of course I know who guts is, a guy who started as a wimp in a comic book series that later turned into a crappy animated series which was never finished where this guy freaks out every time things don't go his way.

ok, first of all, saying Kratos does not have all of his ups, which is completely retarded, but just saying he doesn't, he is still 1000 times stronger then Guts. Even if Kratos does not get the chance to rip guts in half, then his swordplay is still alot better then that of Guts who gets tired after a few swings, plus guts normal-sized sword over Kratos's huge sword? Guts would never get close enough to him.
Guts would not really have a chance at all.

dude...you're talking out of your @$$. stop being such a fanboy.

first of all, berserk has sold around 30 billion copies world wide and is hands down one of the most famous mangas out there today.

second, the anime was more of a promotion for the manga which is why they didn't make season2 for it.

third, guts gets tired after swing his sword a couple of times? please. he fought 100 people at the age of 18 and WON and it was from night all the way till morning. and this is when he was only 18 years old. in case you haven't read the manga, he has gotten A LOT stronger since then.

fourth, kratos is the guy who throws a hissy fit everytime things don't go his way. Guts is actually pretty introspective and if not fighting is always thinking about destiny, fate and his own role as a struggler. when was the last time Kratos showed even a glimpse of a thought process?

fifth, Kratos is the idiot who keeps swining his sword like a maniac when things don't go his way? who killed his own family? who impaled athena? who attacked his father without listening to one word of reason? who fought on and on and on in GOW2 without listening to one word of reason? his name is Kratos.

and for the record, normal Kratos was about to get pwned by a regular barbarian. he couldn't even beat ONE barbarian. let alone 100 trained mercenaries

Guts>Kratos.


and i'm wondering.....are you retarded. Guts fights with a 6foot zweihander, Kratos fights with a modified xiphos which is barely 3 feet in length.
~Sado

Kratos has his chain blades which reach longer then normal swords pal, and I am sure those are the ones he would use.
and for the record, Guts never beat any gods, so until he does I don't care what you think.

Kratos only beat a god after using the pandora's box......which made him as big as one and as strong as a god. so your point is nullified. Kratos didn't beat Ares on his own power..........you know it and any jackass who played god of war1 knows it too. so...no dice dude.
Kratos as a human got pwned by the barbarian and you still haven't offered a rebuttle yet. Guts didn't defeat a god because in his universe there is no godS. there is only god. he did, however, defeat Slan who is the 4th demon in the Godhand, the strongest demons in the world.

Kratos' swords have chains, i know, but you brought up SWORD FIGHTING hence my above comment. at any rate, his blades don't get THAT long anyway. also guts' sword isn't NORMAL. he has a six-to-seven foot sword that is a foot wide. and he weilds it with great power, skill and speed. later on in the manga he took on a legion of trolls (powerful demons) in their own lair and he killed them all while whistling.

also Kratos hasn't been through HALF the stuff Guts has. we both know that much don't we?

oh and sorry about the "retarded" comment. i was going to edit that but around here you can't change anything beyond 15 minutes. no offense intended.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
Kratos only beat a god after using the pandora's box......which made him as big as one and as strong as a god. so your point is nullified. Kratos didn't beat Ares on his own power..........you know it and any jackass who played god of war1 knows it too. so...no dice dude.
Kratos as a human got pwned by the barbarian and you still haven't offered a rebuttle yet. Guts didn't defeat a god because in his universe there is no godS. there is only god. he did, however, defeat Slan who is the 4th demon in the Godhand, the strongest demons in the world.

Kratos' swords have chains, i know, but you brought up SWORD FIGHTING hence my above comment. at any rate, his blades don't get THAT long anyway. also guts' sword isn't NORMAL. he has a six-to-seven foot sword that is a foot wide. and he weilds it with great power, skill and speed. later on in the manga he took on a legion of trolls (powerful demons) in their own lair and he killed them all while whistling.

also Kratos hasn't been through HALF the stuff Guts has. we both know that much don't we?

oh and sorry about the "retarded" comment. i was going to edit that but around here you can't change anything beyond 15 minutes. no offense intended.

~Sado

Guts never clawed his way out of hell, I think that's a feat in itself if you ask me...

http://cache.bordom.net/images/13c421a841c4fa6b1d60e7ed4ca0fcac.jpg

no kratos crawled out of a hell where there were skinny hands pulling him inside while he was dead. he was healed by Gaia and then he took his swords cut those skinny arms and got out.

compared to:

in a severely wounded condition with stitiches and broken ribs and internal bleeding, Guts fought a horde of giant demons that killed his whoe army and friends. he had no weapons except a knife that was broken until he broke off a horn off a demon and fought the demons that out ratiod him AT LEAST 100 to 1.
no dice dude.

the above feet of guts is WAY out of Kratos' league

~Sado

Cooples its a manga character, their stronger than Kratos because of this, like Marvel, most comic book characters have strength beyond believability

dude...kratos pulls giant serpeants against their own will and pushed off atlas's hand. his strength is like disney's hercules
guts is a normal human being, just stronger because he's lived a tough life and actually works out his shoulders and torso everyday since he was able to hold a sword..........by performing 200 swings of his sword.

gut's greatest feat of strength was tossing one soldier over the horse to knock off the rider with just one arm....and its still uncomparable to the stuff Kratos does. noone here is arguing that guts is stronger than Kratos since everyone knows that Kratos is a HELL of a lot stronger. but there is more to a mortal combat than just strength and guts always shows that by outlasting things a 1000 times stronger than him.

~Sado

Would Guts vs. Nightmare be a good match?

thread already made. and guts won most of the time.
Guts for life. to read the mangas, PM me and i'll tell you!

~the Guts-for-life Sado-sama

Guts after clearing off a whole nest of trolss

Originally posted by Cooples
ok, first of all, saying Kratos does not have all of his ups, which is completely retarded,

First page, second post of the thread starter:

"Its normal Kratos"

Originally posted by Cooples
but just saying he doesn't, he is still 1000 times stronger then Guts.

No one is arguing that Gats is stronger so far.

Originally posted by Cooples
Even if Kratos does not get the chance to rip guts in half, then his swordplay is still alot better then that of Guts who gets tired after a few swings, plus guts normal-sized sword over Kratos's huge sword? Guts would never get close enough to him..

Gats gets tired after a few swings? See how you never read Berserk, man? After going one on one with Nosferatu Zod and being all broken, he was already up next day (banded) doing his usual sword swings practise, like nothing. And hes been doing it since he was a child.

Kratos may not be normal by any chance but Gutts doesnt fit in the category either. He gets hits from Zod and other beasts and still gets up, while other "normal" guys kiss the floor once and stay there.

Originally posted by Cooples
Guts would not really have a chance at all.

Scretching.

Specially the part when you (?) said that Kratos already bested Gods when the one Kratos we are discussing ony did it after the Pandora Box godly upgrade.

good post sensei! let him know who is the true godtier of KMC

~Green Belt Sado-sama

Good work Olympian

ok, maybe Guts would have a chance.
I still think he would probably beat guts though, so far anyone has said is that he woudn't and the only real reason being because of his experience as a soldier, well that's fine but Kratos being born in Roman times would have definately undergone some kind of fighting/technical battle training im sure.
I just don't see Guts winning.

fine i think we all can respect that

ermmdance

The problem, and I think someone didn't communicate this, is whether it's just sword fighting or whether they get all their stuff. If the latter, Kratos annihilates Guts. Reason: the magic. Guts can't beat someone near his own skill level with that kind of firepower. But in a straight sword fight, I'd give it to Guts. Sheer ****ing inhuman will on that one.

And for the record, Grahf would pummel both of them.

reasonable.

Originally posted by Cooples
reasonable. IMO, it would be so awesome if you changed your name to Kupo.

it would have been...

well depends witch guts were talking about, band of the hawk guts? black swordsman guts? or berserk armor guts?

if its band of the hawk guts, its a close match but i gotta give it to kraytos, black swordsman guts then guts wins after a long fight, berserk armor guts isnt even a contest, he would TERMINATE kraytos

Illegal Thread is Illegal. Also Necro'd Reported.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Illegal Thread is Illegal. Also Necro'd Reported.

ummmmmmmmmmmmmm, what?

The last response in this thread before you came along was over two years ago, and the OP was pitting a video game character against an anime character. Cross-genre vs. are against the rules.

Did you really report a 2 year old thread? Also there is nothing wrong with bumping an older thread if you really have some input to give on the subject.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Did you really report a 2 year old thread? Also there is nothing wrong with bumping an older thread if you really have some input to give on the subject.

True. Reviving an old thread isn't really a problem, it's just kinda surprising. As for reporting it...*shrugs* I don't make the rules, I just follow them, and this thread breaks them.

You don't have to report every wrong thing you see. It doesn't give you points or anything. You don't think that the fact that it has gone on for three pages would mean that no one had a problem with it?

I don't report every wrong thing I see. If that were the case, Peach and General would probably hate me for it. The fact that the thread is two years old could mean that the rules were more lenient at that time in regards to these cross genre matches. I don't know. All I know is that as of now, it's breaking the rules

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You don't have to report every wrong thing you see. It doesn't give you points or anything. You don't think that the fact that it has gone on for three pages would mean that no one had a problem with it?

Um, I like it quite a bit when people report things that shouldn't be.

And the rules were different back when this thread was actually relevent. Hence why it went on for three pages.

Closed.