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No absorption or red radiation attacks.

I wonder.

Debate.

Is this overkill yall?

After seeing the respect thread, I figured Supes had a chance.

I even thought, was this enough to take that monster?

Superman goes back in time and defeats them before the fight starts.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Superman goes back in time and defeats them before the fight starts.



There we go.

Like I said, was this enough, apparently not.

btw. Hal can't time travel?

I know Silver Surfer can glimpse into the Past, but with some concentration.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Superman goes back in time and defeats them before the fight starts.

Do you think that's his only option?

Originally posted by Mr Master
No absorption or red radiation attacks.

I wonder.

Debate.

I like PC Superman ftw

Originally posted by Mr Master
Do you think that's his only option?
How about a sneeze?

Anti marvel vision.

Originally posted by guy222
I like PC Superman ftw

It's an interesting debate I think.

I also forgot that Quasar can Quantum jump into different Timelines, escaping a timetravel attack.

Silver Surfer can glimpse into the Past, that I know of, but he had to concentrate.

Superman can probably do it faster, but imo Quasar can jump Timelines equally or better,

(in Marvel he does it like nothing)

I'm not sure about GL and CM.

Originally posted by Estacado
How about a sneeze?

An explosion of a Galaxy will not hurt Quasar and propably not SS,

and I'm assuming GL. (don't know)

Quasar withstood a Universal Black Hole and actually managed to contain it.

But I still think Superman wins.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Do you think that's his only option?

No. He could hit them or freeze them or incinerate them or grab them and fly past the bounds of reality or inhale them or blow them across the galaxy with a fart.

Hal alone Has beaten Pre-Crisis Supes,iirc.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No. He could hit them

Hal's shields are meaningless?

Quasar's shield can withstand a Black hole made to swallow the Universe.

SS took a beaten from Aegis and Tenebrous and still came back for more.

I don't know jack about CM, but I know he's tuff.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
or freeze them or incinerate them

I doub't that would work on SS or Quasar or GL.

These guys fly through Space at speeds far exceeding that of Light.

Their shields can withstand the core of Stars aswell.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
or grab them and fly past the bounds of reality

Quasar Quantum jumped outside the Multiverse.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
or inhale them

How does this work?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
blow them across the galaxy with a fart.

Possibly.

Originally posted by Skeets
Hal alone Has beaten Pre-Crisis Supes,iirc.

Holy, I didn't know that.

So Hal was more powerful than Superman, on panel?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Holy, I didn't know that.

So Hal was more powerful than Superman, on panel?
Maybe?srug GL's are supposed to be,but you know it's Superman.
Current Supes is easily more impressive than Pre-crisis Supes though.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Hal's shields are meaningless?

Quasar's shield can withstand a Black hole made to swallow the Universe.

SS took a beaten from Aegis and Tenebrous and still came back for more.

I don't know jack about CM, but I know he's tuff.

Trying to stop PreCrisisSuperman with shields is not a great (or effective) idea.

Originally posted by Mr Master

I doub't that would work on SS or Quasar or GL.

These guys fly through the Space at speeds far exceeding that of Light.

Their shields can withstand the core of Stars aswell.

It's PreCrisisSuperman for Christ's sake. The heat from the core of a star is probably nothing compare to his HV.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Quasar Quantum jumped outside the Multiverse.

Superman almost made it physically into heaven until Spectre stopped him.


Originally posted by Mr Master
How does this work?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d0/3DScience_respiratory_labeled.jpg

When the diaphragm contracts, the ribcage expands and the contents of the abdomen are moved downward. This results in a larger thoracic volume, which in turn causes a decrease in intrathoracic pressure. As the pressure in the chest falls, air (and the happless heroes) moves into the conducting zone.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Holy, I didn't know that.

So Hal was more powerful than Superman, on panel?

Actually both have beaten each other. The only guys precrisis Supes new could beat him at that kind of power level who were heroes were Vartox and Duplicate boy really.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Trying to stop PreCrisisSuperman with shields is not a great (or effective) idea.

I know PCS is powerful but I never saw him destroy a Universe, in the respect thread atleast.

I have seen and do have the issues where Quasar resisted a Universal Black Hole.

This Black Hole was literally collapsing Time and Space, (the Universe) Quasar from the heart of the BH endured and overcame it's power, then he contained it aswell.

Quasar's shields imo can deflect what Supes throws at him, maybe not forever but I'm sure it can buy him some time, Quasar can also attack while protecting himself, the Quantum bands shiled his entire body at will.


Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It's PreCrisisSuperman for Christ's sake. The heat from the core of a star is probably nothing compare to his HV.

That was just a simple example.


Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Superman almost made it physically into heaven until Spectre stopped him.

Yes, I posted the scans myself, it's a Speed Feat.

His speed was increasing exponentially, he didn't attain that speed instantaneously.

But like I said,

Quasar covered that distance in an instant, when he Quantum jumped out of the Multiverse.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
When the diaphragm contracts, the ribcage expands and the contents of the abdomen are moved downward. This results in a larger thoracic volume, which in turn causes a decrease in intrathoracic pressure. As the pressure in the chest falls, air (and the happless heroes) moves into the conducting zone.

ermm


Anyhow,

IMO, Superman wins with raw power primarily, using the many options at his disposal. CM and SS probably lose here first, Quasar and GL give him a good fight, then Quasar goes down.

From what I'm reading, it's up for grabs from there.

quantum jumping and actually going at a speed are entirely different,though I guess both can be useful.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It's an interesting debate I think.

I also forgot that Quasar can Quantum jump into different Timelines, escaping a timetravel attack.

Silver Surfer can glimpse into the Past, that I know of, but he had to concentrate.

Superman can probably do it faster, but imo Quasar can jump Timelines equally or better,

(in Marvel he does it like nothing)

I'm not sure about GL and CM.

It is

Originally posted by Juntai
quantum jumping and actually going at a speed are entirely different,though I guess both can be useful.

Absolutely,

I was just clarifying that Superman was flying but picking up speed as he did so.

Quasar can fly fast but not as fast as that, but he can cover an equal distance faster,

Quantum jumping.

Originally posted by Skeets
Maybe? GL's are supposed to be,

I see.

Originally posted by Skeets
but you know it's Superman.

That always works.

Originally posted by Skeets
Current Supes is easily more impressive than Pre-crisis Supes though.

How can this be? I thought he was depowered?

Originally posted by Mr Master
I see.



That always works.



How can this be? I thought he was depowered? GL's being more powerful than Superman is kind of subjective. The idea is that they have a tool that can do anything. Ideally, many think it should be able to put down Superman, and it has a few times. However, Superman has also served up GL's many times pre & post Crisis.


Superman got depowered in the mid - 80's following Crisis on Infinite Earths, but he's right back up in that same range of 'pre crisis Superman' and has been for a few years not, imo. Minus the stupid.

Originally posted by Juntai
GL's being more powerful than Superman is kind of subjective. The idea is that they have a tool that can do anything. Ideally, many think it should be able to put down Superman, and it has a few times. However, Superman has also served up GL's many times pre & post Crisis.

I see.

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman got depowered in the mid - 80's following Crisis on Infinite Earths, but he's right back up in that same range of 'pre crisis Superman' and has been for a few years not, imo. Minus the stupid.

That's cool, I had no idea.

What do you think of this match, overkill?

Or Supes takes them? (minus timetravel)

Hal makes kryptonite ftw.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Hal makes kryptonite ftw.

Surfer can do that as well. team wins

Haven't Captain Marvel fought Pre Crisis supes to a standstill won't they equals then just like now before Billy got Shazams powers. Team for the win.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Hal makes kryptonite ftw.

Superman dodges the radiation.

I was gonna point out the Kryptonite thing.

Currently, Superman can fight kryptonite's influence, and even has a little resistance to it. It also seems to only SLOWLY rob him of his powers.

Pre crisis? Someone even MENTIONED the word, and Clark was a kitten....

Originally posted by Juntai
GL's being more powerful than Superman is kind of subjective. The idea is that they have a tool that can do anything. Ideally, many think it should be able to put down Superman, and it has a few times. However, Superman has also served up GL's many times pre & post Crisis.


Superman got depowered in the mid - 80's following Crisis on Infinite Earths, but he's right back up in that same range of 'pre crisis Superman' and has been for a few years not, imo. Minus the stupid.

Agreed.

I don't think so. While current Superman is extremely powerful and arguably at the pinnacle of herald list, he isn't comparable to Pre Crisis Superman.