Fantastic Four 546

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Estacado
Anyone read it?

Big Sexy
Still waiting. Demonoid and their damn 1 week 3 downloads policy. mad I should have it by tomorrow.

King_Mungi
I heard about it and seen the scans of Black Panther owning Silver Surfer...again sad

Big Sexy
Originally posted by King_Mungi
I heard about it and seen the scans of Black Panther owning Silver Surfer...again sad Well I expected that

guy222
Originally posted by Estacado
Anyone read it?

I am now

Galan007
Originally posted by Big Sexy
Still waiting. Demonoid and their damn 1 week 3 downloads policy. mad I should have it by tomorrow. I don't have a download limit on demonoid. confused

Symmetric Chaos
Digi's not on.

Quick someone post the whole thing!

manjaro
BP stole his power cosmic ala the same armor Doom used that one time

Jebus reborn
Originally posted by Galan007
I don't have a download limit on demonoid. confused Are you member?

Galan007
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Are you member? Yes sir. smile

Big Sexy
Originally posted by Galan007
Yes sir. smile Can you write me a temporary invitation. That would be appreciated.

Grimm22
I read it (supscription)

It's actually really well written

Rather than just making up some crap to make T'Challa seem all cool and shit' like Hudlin would do, McDuffie actually shows he is a comic book fan by giving Panther a viable plan to beat Surfer yes

McDuffie shows that even in a comic book industry where sales are more important than story, that there can still be classic comic books

Big Sexy
Originally posted by Grimm22
I read it (supscription)

It's actually really well written

Rather than just making up some crap to make T'Challa seem all cool and shit' like Hudlin would do, McDuffie actually shows he is a comic book fan by giving Panther a viable plan to beat Surfer yes

McDuffie shows that even in a comic book industry where sales are more important than story, that there can still be classic comic books It must be a good read then. You've hated everything about BP and Storm being in the FF.

Grimm22
Originally posted by Big Sexy
It must be a good read then. You've hated everything about BP and Storm being in the FF.

I know erm

But, the big difference is that in FF they are written IN CHARACTER!

T'Challa is acting like T'Challa not like Hudlin's racist schoolboy *****' and Storm isn't the annoying chick who yells at Namor and shoots lightning at crowds of people.

That and the art is AMAZING!

Darth Vicious
Originally posted by Galan007
I don't have a download limit on demonoid. confused

Me neither cool
I got FF 546 but havent read it. I glanced it and the sight of Gravity being a match to Galactus +Black Panther ripping off the Thundercats logo made me not read it.

Priest
Im waiting for my online source to post smile

Big Sexy
Read it. Meh at least Surfers defeat made sense but still Pis filled.

marvelprince
Issue was just ok for me. From last issue with the cosmic arm bar I knew I wouldn't like where things were going. Granted, this issue was much better it still left me with a "meh" feeling afterwards.

Storm being powerful enough to dissipate Stardust? Where did that come from?

The whole deal with Gravity. Thats it? I expect, you know when the friggin Watcher shows up at your funeral that your gonna do big things. Instead he's just revived with Protector of the Universe level powers for all of 5 mins before reverting back to normal and just drifting off. What was the point?

Issue was pretty solid in terms of characterizations, but the story was pretty boring imo.

BlueDMighty
The dialog flowed well. Characters were funny when they needed to be, badass when they needed to be. i loved the catch phrases and the battle scenes were drawn well.

I loved it.

Validus
Originally posted by Grimm22

McDuffie shows that even in a comic book industry where sales are more important than story, that there can still be classic comic books
You got that by reading FF #546?

His Airness
Originally posted by Priest
Im waiting for my online source to post smile

Where do you read online comics?

Estacado
After gravity blasted Galactus ,Galan absorbed the attack and said "I'm restored to full power" no expression

Big Sexy
Originally posted by Estacado
After gravity blasted Galactus ,Galan absorbed the attack and said "I'm restored to full power" no expression I know sick . So stupid.

Priest
Originally posted by Estacado
After gravity blasted Galactus ,Galan absorbed the attack and said "I'm restored to full power" no expression
Post some scans131

Estacado
ok

Priest
Originally posted by Estacado
ok
Many Thanks big grin

Estacado
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Evil_Ash
Originally posted by His Airness
Where do you read online comics?

http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/welcome.msnw

Grimm22
Originally posted by Validus
You got that by reading FF #546?

I donno erm

It just seems to remind me of some of the old Kirby/Lee stories

Either way, McDuffie basically made this arc to revive Gravity, because he's been planning on it since the end of Beyond.

Still though, the characterization was dead on.

Although I don't like how Gravity was able to "hurt" Galactus or how Cosmic Torch wasn't able to take down Stardust

In the end, it was a good arc, especially since the book has been garbage since Waid left

Endless Mike
Okay, that was just stupid.

Storm hurting Stardust?

More fodder for 2damnloud.

CasanoVa
Thanks for the scans Juggs wink (thought someone ought to say it).

2damnloud
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Okay, that was just stupid.

Storm hurting Stardust?

More fodder for 2damnloud.

You damn right.

Storm's powerful cool

Don't forget, she hurt SS too......TWICE.

Storm doesn't **** around, man.

manorastroman
thumb down

mcduffie schmickduffie.

2damnloud
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Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Estacado
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Could have been worse. I'm not sure exactly how but it probably could have been worse.

Newjak
Well at least they kind of showed that they had to rely on a plot device to win even thought the FF should have never been able to delay that long or do that much damage erm

Validus
How was Doom able to copy the Astro Harness like that?

Grimm22
Originally posted by Validus
How was Doom able to copy the Astro Harness like that?

Doom's Cosmic Stealing Device was created in FF #57 or #59 (I'm not sure which one), which came LONG LONG LONG before Jack Kirby left Marvel and created the new gods for DC

Thus if anything, Orion stole Doom's designs, not the other way around wink

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Newjak
Well at least they kind of showed that they had to rely on a plot device to win even thought the FF should have never been able to delay that long or do that much damage erm

The cosmic stealing thing was actually quite clever I agree.

Yeah he wrote himself into a hole and just let the FF stalemating heralds things hang. And then at the end he needed a way to get rid of Galactus and apparently couldn't find anything better.

Validus
Originally posted by Grimm22
Doom's Cosmic Stealing Device was created in FF #57 or #59 (I'm not sure which one), which came LONG LONG LONG before Jack Kirby left Marvel and created the new gods for DC

Thus if anything, Orion stole Doom's designs, not the other way around wink
Did it look like Astro Harness back then too?

Skeets
Originally posted by Validus
Did it look like Astro Harness back then too?
Don't think so.
Wouldn't it be BP that bit-off the Astro Harness?

Validus
Originally posted by Skeets
Don't think so.
Wouldn't it be BP that bit-off the Astro Harness?
That's pretty racist to imply that BP would steal from a white man.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Validus
Did it look like Astro Harness back then too?

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/cosmicpowerharness1.jpg

A little be. Wakanda seems to have streamlined the design.

Grimm22
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The cosmic stealing thing was actually quite clever I agree.

Yeah he wrote himself into a hole and just let the FF stalemating heralds things hang. And then at the end he needed a way to get rid of Galactus and apparently couldn't find anything better.

Eh, it was better than most resurrections (Jean Grey, Aunt May, Jason Todd, ect..) erm

Skeets
Originally posted by Validus
That's pretty racist to imply that BP would steal from a white man.
Yeah?

Grimm22
I can't wait to see how Hudlin reacts to this

He'll probably say Doom stole BP's designs or some crap like that laughing

Validus
Originally posted by Skeets
Yeah?
Just pointing out the racism. I agree in any case.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Grimm22
I can't wait to see how Hudlin reacts to this

He'll probably say Doom stole BP's designs or some crap like that laughing

Nah. He admited in the issue that Wakandan scientists built their version off Doom's designs.

Skeets
Originally posted by Validus
Just pointing out the racism. I agree in any case.
Oh.....

Swanky-Tuna
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Okay, that was just stupid.

Storm hurting Stardust?

More fodder for 2damnloud.
He didn't seem hurt at all, just splashed out of form.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
You damn right.

Storm's powerful cool

Don't forget, she hurt SS too......TWICE.

Storm doesn't **** around, man.
Pffft, Surfer just blasted THE HELL out of Storm EASILY with a MINOR blast.

2damnloud
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
He didn't seem hurt at all, just splashed out of form.


Pffft, Surfer just blasted THE HELL out of Storm EASILY with a MINOR blast.

She got her ass right back up just like all the rest of the blast she's endured over the years.

He could've raised it up. Remember, she can absorb the entire Galactic Core with ease.

Storm wasn't even working at her full potential AT ALL throughout the whole entire story, yet she manages to make Surfer scream in pain........ AGAIN, and disperse Stardust???? eek!

I'm not saying she can BEAT them, but if she just stepped herself up just a little, she may be a problem.

They're in SPACE too!

This is a much more powerful medium that she can obviously and proficiently manipulate to an almost limitless degree.

But alas, she's on a team......with her husband, so all you'll see is her throwing lightning. And WHERE the hell does she get said lightning from in the first place??

She so very conveniently doesn't need that hydrogen atmosphere this time, huh??

I guess McDuffie's finally learning about her.

shocklaugh

Hercules
Originally posted by 2damnloud
She got her ass right back up just like all the rest of the blast she's endured over the years.

He could've raised it up. Remember, she can absorb the entire Galactic Core with ease.

Storm wasn't even working at her full potential AT ALL throughout the whole entire story, yet she manages to make Surfer scream in pain........ AGAIN, and disperse Stardust???? eek!

I'm not saying she can BEAT them, but if she just stepped herself up just a little, she may be a problem.

They're in SPACE too!

This is a much more powerful medium that she can obviously and proficiently manipulate to an almost limitless degree.

But alas, she's on a team......with her husband, so all you'll see is her throwing lightning. And WHERE the hell does she get said lightning from in the first place??

She so very conveniently doesn't need that hydrogen atmosphere this time, huh??

I guess McDuffie's finally learning about her.

shocklaugh

Or its just PIS... no expression

Endless Mike
It was actually called the "Cosmic Power Siphon Harness".... I think he used the same thing to steal the power of Galactus and the Beyonder

Estacado
Originally posted by 2damnloud
She got her ass right back up just like all the rest of the blast she's endured over the years.

He could've raised it up. Remember, she can absorb the entire Galactic Core with ease.

Storm wasn't even working at her full potential AT ALL throughout the whole entire story, yet she manages to make Surfer scream in pain........ AGAIN, and disperse Stardust???? eek!

I'm not saying she can BEAT them, but if she just stepped herself up just a little, she may be a problem.

They're in SPACE too!

This is a much more powerful medium that she can obviously and proficiently manipulate to an almost limitless degree.

But alas, she's on a team......with her husband, so all you'll see is her throwing lightning. And WHERE the hell does she get said lightning from in the first place??

She so very conveniently doesn't need that hydrogen atmosphere this time, huh??

I guess McDuffie's finally learning about her.

shocklaugh
This is the same writer who made Galactus say "I'm back to full power"after he absorbed Gravity's blast.... no expression

jumpmann
Sickly awesome issue if you don't have a hard on for cosmic beings getting questionably hurt by weaker opponents. Best FF4 issue I've read in a long time.

Swanky-Tuna
Yeah, that was questionably cool. Although it seemed kind of last minute, "Quick, get that badass harness and those frogs that teleport people when they bump uglies!"

Are those copulating frogs something they just made up? Because they seem awfully powerful.

Originally posted by 2damnloud

Wow, I didn't know you'd go INSANE over a OBVIOUS parody of YOURSELF.

2damnloud
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna

Wow, I didn't know you'd go INSANE over a OBVIOUS parody of YOURSELF.

Duh, I knew that.--"Glorifying adjectives"--I didn't care though. roll eyes (sarcastic)

I get it from Galan, or is it Mr. Master???

Juntai
Originally posted by Validus
That's pretty racist to imply that BP would steal from a white man. laughing

Swanky-Tuna
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Duh, I knew that.--"Glorifying adjectives"--I didn't care though. roll eyes (sarcastic)

I get it from Galan, or is it Mr. Master???
You're probably thinking of otherguyIveneverheardof

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Are those copulating frogs something they just made up? Because they seem awfully powerful.

He used them in the most recent BP. At that time he was extremely reluctant to use them and doing so completely screwed tht F4 over.

Grimm22
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Nah. He admited in the issue that Wakandan scientists built their version off Doom's designs.

I'm just saying thats not how Hudlin would have handled it

Frostbite883
Originally posted by Estacado
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Thanks for the scans, Esta.

Swanky-Tuna
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
He used them in the most recent BP. At that time he was extremely reluctant to use them and doing so completely screwed tht F4 over.
"I really don't want those frogs ****ing in my hand. It's icky."

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
"I really don't want those frogs ****ing in my hand. It's icky."

It was more like:


"I hate magic."

uses the frogs to save them
looks around

"I REALLY hate magic."


Basicly he managed to own himself (while Hudlin was writing)

Grimm22
What's even worse is that in Hudlin's book he has the FF being owned by some random creature from the negative zone

The FF have been taking on the LEADER of the negative zone, Annihilus, for nearly 50 years now and they have never been shown to be powerless to stop him no expression

And Annihilus nearly took over the entire goddamn universe!

So basically, in Hudlin's world, Giant Bugs from the Negative Zone could take over the entire Marvel Universe if they wanted too What the f**k?

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Grimm22
What's even worse is that in Hudlin's book he has the FF being owned by some random creature from the negative zone

The FF have been taking on the LEADER of the negative zone, Annihilus, for nearly 50 years now and they have never been shown to be powerless to stop him no expression

And Annihilus nearly took over the entire goddamn universe!

So basically, in Hudlin's world, Giant Bugs from the Negative Zone could take over the entire Marvel Universe if they wanted too What the f**k?

Giant invulnerable bugs . . . that apparently fought through a gauntlet of other bugs. It wasn't some random one it was to toughest thing arounf at the time apparently.

And was Annihilus ever as powerful vs the FF compared to Anihillation?

Grimm22
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Giant invulnerable bugs . . . that apparently fought through a gauntlet of other bugs. It wasn't some random one it was to toughest thing arounf at the time apparently.

And was Annihilus ever as powerful vs the FF compared to Anihillation?

Well he does control a universe no expression

But, he really wasn't ever shown to be on say Quasar's level of power erm

Jebus reborn
Originally posted by Grimm22
Well he does control a universe no expression

But, he really wasn't ever shown to be on say Quasar's level of power erm He has one-shotted both Thor, and Masterson Thor before...

Swanky-Tuna
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It was more like:


"I hate magic."

uses the frogs to save them
looks around

"I REALLY hate magic."


Basicly he managed to own himself (while Hudlin was writing)
Isn't one of his weapons a magic dagger?

Grimm22
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
He has one-shotted both Thor, and Masterson Thor before...

He has? confused

I've never seen that before erm

I guess I need to catch up on my back issues of the FF stick out tongue

Jebus reborn
Originally posted by Grimm22
He has? confused

I've never seen that before erm

I guess I need to catch up on my back issues of the FF stick out tongue Thor comics.

Solidus Snake
the story was God awful.

hurting galactus is a weekend activity now. like going to the beach or peeking at ur neighbors daughter in her lingerie.

hes supposed to be beyond the ken of mortal amn and such and now hes a chump. sigh.


im so disappointed in marvel

Jebus reborn
Originally posted by Solidus Snake
the story was God awful.

hurting galactus is a weekend activity now. like going to the beach or peeking at ur neighbors daughter in her lingerie.

hes supposed to be beyond the ken of mortal amn and such and now hes a chump. sigh.


im so disappointed in marvel I thought so as well.
It was a bad story, and also the part where mere lightning, rips apart someone easily, who has survived planets blowing up, and an attack by Galactus without being harmed...

BlueDMighty
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
!Are those copulating frogs something they just made up? Because they seem awfully powerful.


The Frogs of King Solomen 1st made an appearance way back in the 1st incarnation of the Black Panther. Back then, among other things, the frogs had something like a Gennie in them.

BlueDMighty
Originally posted by Hercules
Or its just PIS... no expression

Just an observation.

I think it's funny how people live and die by "Cannon" where their favorite character is concerned.

However, when another character does something amazing (in continuity)
it has to be PIS. no

Estacado
Originally posted by Estacado
This is the same writer who made Galactus say "I'm back to full power"after he absorbed Gravity's blast.... no expression

2damnloud
"Actually, it was a "lightning bolt" created by removing electrons from her body, their violent return dispersed her (remember, she's made of energy, and was already beginning to fall apart before the electrons returned). And she wasn't beaten, rather, dissipated for less than 10 seconds.

Anyway, welcome aboard, why don't you introduce yourself and tells about some comics you DO like? "

Ororo can put somethin on a Herald's ass. THREE TIMES ALREADYshocklaugh

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by 2damnloud
"Actually, it was a "lightning bolt" created by removing electrons from her body, their violent return dispersed her (remember, she's made of energy, and was already beginning to fall apart before the electrons returned). And she wasn't beaten, rather, dissipated for less than 10 seconds.

Anyway, welcome aboard, why don't you introduce yourself and tells about some comics you DO like? "

Ororo can put somethin on a Herald's ass. THREE TIMES ALREADYshocklaugh

If you're trying to imply Storm is a dude maybe you need to rethink your opinion of the character ermmha

Estacado
Originally posted by 2damnloud
"Actually, it was a "lightning bolt" created by removing electrons from her body, their violent return dispersed her (remember, she's made of energy, and was already beginning to fall apart before the electrons returned). And she wasn't beaten, rather, dissipated for less than 10 seconds.

Anyway, welcome aboard, why don't you introduce yourself and tells about some comics you DO like? "

Ororo can put somethin on a Herald's ass. THREE TIMES ALREADYshocklaugh
no expression
Anyone of the heralds could just turn her into stone.

2damnloud
Originally posted by Estacado
no expression
Anyone of the heralds could just turn her into stone.

Not before she rips the electrons from their person in nanoseconds.shifty

Swanky-Tuna
Because all Heralds are made of disembodied energy.

Call me when she does something to a Herald that last longer than a second.

2damnloud
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Because all Heralds are made of disembodied energy.

Call me when she does something to a Herald that last longer than a second.

having them screaming in pain on more than one occasion and DISMEMBERMENT are more than enough.

She wasn't even working at her best as stated be her.

It was cool too--ripping the electrons out then driving them back in.

Storm can wrench energy from Stars, Stardust was a piece of cake.

And it was 10 SECONDS! shocklaugh

Swanky-Tuna
Originally posted by 2damnloud
having them screaming in pain on more than one occasion and DISMEMBERMENT are more than enough.
More than enough for what, pray tell?


She T-1000'd Stardust. That might take a while to soak in.

And 10 seconds? More like 20 minutes. No, half a second. Wait, there was no time on there.

P.S.: Get it? 'Cause in the movie he kept getting deformed by guns and explosions and stuff but he just reformed himself. They only slowed him down.

2damnloud
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
More than enough for what, pray tell?


She T-1000'd Stardust. That might take a while to soak in.

And 10 seconds? More like 20 minutes. No, half a second. Wait, there was no time on there.

P.S.: Get it? 'Cause in the movie he kept getting deformed by guns and explosions and stuff but he just reformed himself. They only slowed him down.

Ororo raped her out of ELECTRONS. smokin'

Stardust should be able to reform, so what??

She disolved a herald with a mere thought and wasn't even really workng at full power.

The implications are psionic, sub-atomic control of the energy that composes a herald-level being, not guns and explosions.

Your T1000 analogy is lost. laughing

Swanky-Tuna
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Ororo raped her out of ELECTRONS. smokin'
There was no sexual intercourse involving electrons. Your description is false.


So, the point is no harm, no foul. Storm's best shot wastes the time of another Herald and nothing more.


Only because you fail to realize what an analogy is.

2damnloud
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
There was no sexual intercourse involving electrons. Your description is false.




"Rape" is a very strong word and is not relegated to forcible sexual intercouse only.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna


So, the point is no harm, no foul. Storm's best shot wastes the time of another Herald and nothing more.



Doesn't matter.

She wrenched energy on a sub-atomic level from a HERALD and wasn't really working at full potential. She caused Silver Surfer pain TWICE.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna


Only because you fail to realize what an analogy is.

Nope. If Ororo snatched the electrons that composed T1000, he'd be no more. All the guns and explosives(notwithstanding nuclear) wouldn't take sub-atomic particles from T1000.

Stardust>>>>>>>>>>>>>>T1000.

It doesn't matter how long she stopped Stardust, it's HOW she did it.

She essentially took Stardust's own body and pimp-smacked the SHIT out of her with it, and she wasn't even TRYING.

Ororo's powerful.

It was a powerful move, once again, completely under her own power.

Swanky-Tuna
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Doesn't matter.

She wrenched energy on a sub-atomic level from a HERALD and wasn't really working at full potential. She caused Silver Surfer pain TWICE.
None of which did anything but stall them.


If Storm took the electrons from T-1000 it wouldn't be an analogy at all. Snatching electrons is to shotguns and car explosion as Stardust is to T-1000. Both both had a visual effect on their target but they both ultimately did nothing but waste the target's time.

Snapping the bra strap of an energy being with energy manipulating powers from behind isn't that impressive to me. Sorry, that's just how I feel.

2damnloud
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
None of which did anything but stall them.


If Storm took the electrons from T-1000 it wouldn't be an analogy at all. Snatching electrons is to shotguns and car explosion as Stardust is to T-1000. Both both had a visual effect on their target but they both ultimately did nothing but waste the target's time.

Snapping the bra strap of an energy being with energy manipulating powers from behind isn't that impressive to me. Sorry, that's just how I feel.

McDuffie already said it HURT HER, so how you feel doesn't matter confused






















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starlock
i am curious has stardust ever had his form disolved? and by whom?

2damnloud
Originally posted by starlock
i am curious has stardust ever had his form disolved? and by whom?

That's what I'm saying.

I'm not saying she can BEAT heralds, but the fact that she can casually do things like that is CRAZY especialluy given the fact that certain people argued up and down that she can't do things on a sub-atomic level.

This whole ***-for-tat that Swanky and I are having is basically "face saving".























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ExodusCloak
Originally posted by starlock
i am curious has stardust ever had his form disolved? and by whom?

Yep not sure who did it or what happened but it was during Annihilation, she pulls herself together in Heralds of Galactus #1.

starlock
Of course i have the comic at home hehe, i thought i remember it happening

Disappear
beta ray bill dissolved stardust in their planet-destroying battle by smashing her with stormbreaker after a prolonged fight. she came back from it. then something happened in annihilation, which i didn't follow.

2damn, you're misrepresenting things again. first, storm did not absorb the galactic core with ease. as i recall it, from your scans, it seemingly killed her at the end of the issue.

mcduffie did say storm used stardust's own energy against her, but then he also compared stardust v. storm to himself v. a kitten.

has anyone else noticed what a hypocrite storm's become lately? in the fight versus clor she chides him for destroying public property, but then chucks cars, mailboxes and an oil tanker at him. in this issue, without any sort of conformation that gravity was actually killed, she calls stardust a murderer AND THEN ATTEMPTS TO KILL HER. remember when she had a moral compass? i do.

Superherovandal
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Ororo raped her out of ELECTRONS. smokin'

Stardust should be able to reform, so what??

She disolved a herald with a mere thought and wasn't even really workng at full power.

The implications are psionic, sub-atomic control of the energy that composes a herald-level being, not guns and explosions.

Your T1000 analogy is lost. laughing
Energy doesn't have atoms. Energy is energy. You don't have subatomic control of energy.

2damnloud
Originally posted by Disappear
beta ray bill dissolved stardust in their planet-destroying battle by smashing her with stormbreaker after a prolonged fight. she came back from it. then something happened in annihilation, which i didn't follow.

2damn, you're misrepresenting things again. first, storm did not absorb the galactic core with ease. as i recall it, from your scans, it seemingly killed her at the end of the issue.

mcduffie did say storm used stardust's own energy against her, but then he also compared stardust v. storm to himself v. a kitten.

has anyone else noticed what a hypocrite storm's become lately? in the fight versus clor she chides him for destroying public property, but then chucks cars, mailboxes and an oil tanker at him. in this issue, without any sort of conformation that gravity was actually killed, she calls stardust a murderer AND THEN ATTEMPTS TO KILL HER. remember when she had a moral compass? i do.

*sigh*

Not this Galactic core shit again.

Being in space unaided was her detriment, not the feat itself.

Shortly after in Uncanny 166 she did something similar all while healing in the Acanti.

Anyway, the Kitten still has the cpacity to hurt McDuffie, even the slightest scratch from said kitten can essentially render him handicap despite him being "more powerful".

Storm's powerful. She can hurt Heralds in cool ways.shocklaugh

Swanky-Tuna
Originally posted by starlock
i am curious has stardust ever had his form disolved? and by whom?
Apparently twice.

His energy form is kind of a mystery as well. I don't know what kind of energy would break apart from a hammer blow. Maybe it had something to do with the enchantment.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
McDuffie already said it HURT HER, so how you feel doesn't matter confused

laughingshocklaugh
What McDuffie said has absolutely nothing to do with what I just said.

I challenge you to point out something in what I said that "being hurt" has any barring on. Read it a few times, so you actually catch the drift of my post, and see if you can do it.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Anyway, the Kitten still has the cpacity to hurt McDuffie, even the slightest scratch from said kitten can essentially render him handicap despite him being "more powerful".
Does McDuffie hang out with lion cubs with his jugular exposed to open air? Handicap him? Like... make it hurt a little he does things?

2damnloud
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Apparently twice.

His energy form is kind of a mystery as well. I don't know what kind of energy would break apart from a hammer blow. Maybe it had something to do with the enchantment.

What McDuffie said has absolutely nothing to do with what I just said.

I challenge you to point out something in what I said that "being hurt" has any barring on. Read it a few times, so you actually catch the drift of my post, and see if you can do it.


Does McDuffie hang out with lion cubs with his jugular exposed to open air? Handicap him? Like... make it hurt a little he does things?

Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh

Hang it up, Swank

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Superherovandal
I don't think he meant that Storm could handicap the herald by comparing her to a kitten. He means that she could be an annoyance at best to them. The day she hurt SS he was weakened after betraying Galactus. When she dispersed Stardust all she did was annoy her. Nothing more. Sure she lost form but she regained near instantaneously. Nothing happened.

Disappear
if storm really had that sort of control over the power cosmic, as mcduffie says she exercised in defeating stardust, why did t'challa need that fancy suit?

manjaro
i thought Ben was just tying to be facetious, but seriously when the f **** did Stardust become a she?

Disappear
stardust never had a confirmed gender, and seemed to be asexual. mcduffie made it a her.

CasanoVa
Meh, Stardust being a girl = Suckage

Jebus reborn
Originally posted by CasanoVa
Meh, Stardust being a girl = Suckage Yes another reason why I won't take those comics into consideration...

Hopefully no other writer follows this story on Stardust...

2damnloud
Storm rules, man.

She most definately hurt Stardust with ease.

What get's me is not what she did, but moreso how she did it.

It's crazy.

"More powerful" isn't relevant. I'm more powerful than a kitten, but a kitten can hurt me.

"If a kitten scratched me in the eye, or bit me in the femoral, it could take me out for quite a bit longer than Storm took out Stardust.

Galactus' heralds are unthinkably powerful, not untouchable."

Storm "touched" Stardust and Silver Surfer.....twice.

Jebus reborn
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm rules, man.

She most definately hurt Stardust with ease.

What get's me is not what she did, but moreso how she did it.

It's crazy.

"More powerful" isn't relevant. I'm more powerful than a kitten, but a kitten can hurt me.

"If a kitten scratched me in the eye, or bit me in the femoral, it could take me out for quite a bit longer than Storm took out Stardust.

Galactus' heralds are unthinkably powerful, not untouchable."

Storm "touched" Stardust and Silver Surfer.....twice. What the f*ck are you talking about?

Are you implying that Storm is less than a kitten to Stardust?

2damnloud
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
What the f*ck are you talking about?

Are you implying that Storm is less than a kitten to Stardust?

Nope.

I'm saying Ororo hurt Stardust just as she hurt Silver Surfer, nothing more nothing less.

In both instances she wasn't even trying.

Note: I never stated she could beat them.

It is what it is, man.

Jebus reborn
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Nope.

I'm saying Ororo hurt Stardust just as she hurt Silver Surfer, nothing more nothing less.

In both instances she wasn't even trying.

Note: I never stated she could beat them.

It is what it is, man. The thing is, she never hurt Stardust though, she blew it apart, but it hardly affects Stardust.

Also, it's odd, because Stardust has taken blows that destroy planets, to a smaller effect, and blows that dwarf a planet's size, to no effect.
She shouldn't have been able to do that, but, still means nothing.

Plus the fact that the comic had some bad pis showings, but meh.

2damnloud
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
The thing is, she never hurt Stardust though, she blew it apart, but it hardly affects Stardust.

Also, it's odd, because Stardust has taken blows that destroy planets, to a smaller effect, and blows that dwarf a planet's size, to no effect.
She shouldn't have been able to do that, but, still means nothing.

Plus the fact that the comic had some bad pis showings, but meh.

Storm didn't "hit" her/it. She pulled her/it apart by wrenching electrons and sending them back violently.

phillipan
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Nope.

I'm saying Ororo hurt Stardust just as she hurt Silver Surfer, nothing more nothing less.

In both instances she wasn't even trying.

Note: I never stated she could beat them.

It is what it is, man.

What the **** do you keep saying "She wansnt even trying".

She WAS trying her best every singly time, she got extremely mad on two occassions and asked her husband of his approval of her move another time.

Storm is constantly portrayed as nothing comparable to heralds.

2damnloud
Originally posted by phillipan
What the **** do you keep saying "She wansnt even trying".

She WAS trying her best every singly time, she got extremely mad on two occassions and asked her husband of his approval of her move another time.



And this is equated to effort because??


throw in the towel, already

Swanky-Tuna
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh

Hang it up, Swank

shocklaugh
Way to avoid backing up your baseless accusations.

2damnloud
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Way to avoid backing up your baseless accusations.

You don't have shit to go on, and I won't give you anything.

Badabing
Originally posted by 2damnloud
You don't have shit to go on, and I won't give you anything. dur

2damnloud
Originally posted by Badabing
dur

shocklaugh

Swanky-Tuna
Originally posted by 2damnloud
You don't have shit to go on, and I won't give you anything.
You don't know what I'm referring to do you?

Here, I'll help you out.

I said Stardust wasn't harmed by Storm's attack and that it only wasted his time. That I didn't feel like stalling a Herald, with a surprise attack no less, was impressive.

Then you came and claimed what was true, Stardust was unharmed and only inconvenienced briefly, and my opinion, that I wasn't impressed by it, were invalid because McDuffie said Stardust was hurt.

For one, what McDuffie said doesn't go against my observation that the attack had little effect on Stardust.

Two, what McDuffie said has nothing to do with me not being impressed with the feat.

Will you please fully read and understand my posts before replying to them?

Disappear
for storm to be attacking them "without effort," the scene would need to be re-written. especially in the case of stardust. when she attacked surfer, not only did she make it clear what lengths she was going to to put the attack together, she also mentioned "i do my best work in an atmosphere." so, clearly, she was trying.

when attacking stardust, she was acting in a fit of rage, as seen not only by her twisted visage in the previous panel, but also in her history of killings. she believed, in this instance, that stardust had just killed gravity. her powers, while tied to her emotional state, do not act on their own. as mcduffie himself said, she had to take electrons out of stardust's form, and then coalesce them back into an attack. that requires effort. stealing part of a herald's very being is not something done "with ease."

stop trying to glorify these feats, because you only bring more criticism to them. i don't know how many times this will have to be pointed out to you before you accept it.

2damnloud
Originally posted by Disappear
for storm to be attacking them "without effort," the scene would need to be re-written. especially in the case of stardust. when she attacked surfer, not only did she make it clear what lengths she was going to to put the attack together, she also mentioned "i do my best work in an atmosphere." so, clearly, she was trying.

when attacking stardust, she was acting in a fit of rage, as seen not only by her twisted visage in the previous panel, but also in her history of killings. she believed, in this instance, that stardust had just killed gravity. her powers, while tied to her emotional state, do not act on their own. as mcduffie himself said, she had to take electrons out of stardust's form, and then coalesce them back into an attack. that requires effort. stealing part of a herald's very being is not something done "with ease."

stop trying to glorify these feats, because you only bring more criticism to them. i don't know how many times this will have to be pointed out to you before you accept it.

None of that speaks of "effort". sad

If she was truly in a 'fit of rage', alot more would've been happening, trust me. cool

I could make the case that she was just slightly peeved since she only said "murderer" with no exclamation.

She even told Surfer that she had not hit him with her "full power".

You(proverbial) make the case that she did not hurt the heralds(if only for x amount of time). When that falls flat, you make the case that it took a HUGE, HUGE amount of effort on her part, despite what was depicted and stated from her (talking to Surfer)--"You will force me to hit you with my full power"--this right before Studust reconstitutes itself.

I'm not saying she can beat them, she can hurt them though per McDuffie's "Kitten analogy".shocklaugh

Swanky-Tuna
I think he's arguing that it just took effort to do those feats. That she didn't just fart and make these things happen without realizing they were happening OR that she was straining every fiber of her being to do these feats. As much as you refuse to believe this, 2cloud, there is a thing called a middle ground. Middle ground is not a myth; I've seen it.

BlueDMighty
I'm just saying:


1. Condensed the hydrogen particles in space around the Surfer to create an "effect". (cool control feat)

2. Separated the Surfer from his board as an "Attention Getter" (A list feat)

3. Dispersed a cosmic being (for however long) with it's own energy/electrons
(A list feat)

4. Took a shot from the Surfer (pre Power Cosmic drain) and did, in fact, get right back up.

4. Did, in fact, say that she would hit him (next) with her full power (implying that she was, in fact, not using her full power)

Pain maybe a debatable aspect of the fight. But the feats, in and of themselves, still hold impressive merit.

All in continuity. And not PIS.

Haters should face it. Storm is finally getting the power showings that she deserves. Thanks to McDuffie and Hudlin. Two writers that get paid just like all the other writers get paid, to do the same thing that all the other writers do.

I "Love" how "She can't do that cuz it never happened on panel" becomes "That can't be right, the writers are "Cracked out" this is PIS".

Newjak
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
I'm just saying:


1. Condensed the hydrogen particles in space around the Surfer to create an "effect". (cool control feat)

2. Separated the Surfer from his board as an "Attention Getter" (A list feat)

3. Dispersed a cosmic being (for however long) with it's own energy/electrons
(A list feat)

4. Took a shot from the Surfer (pre Power Cosmic drain) and did, in fact, get right back up.

4. Did, in fact, say that she would hit him (next) with her full power (implying that she was, in fact, not using her full power)

Pain maybe a debatable aspect of the fight. But the feats, in and of themselves, still hold impressive merit.

All in continuity. And not PIS.

Haters should face it. Storm is finally getting the power showings that she deserves. Thanks to McDuffie and Hudlin. Two writers that get paid just like all the other writers get paid, to do the same thing that all the other writers do.

I "Love" how "She can't do that cuz it never happened on panel" becomes "That can't be right, the writers are "Cracked out" this is PIS". They are PIS because Herlads have faced far worse then Storm has ever done erm

In fact the heralds should have been able to simply turn her powers off, should have been able to disintegrate her body, should have been able to mind rape her, Should have been able to absorb any blast she threw, should have been able to simply take the blast head on without any effect.

The fact is for everything she did in that fight I can name more times heralds were in far worse situations. The fact is throughout most of her career Storm hasn't even approached the title of Herald level. The fact is just because a few writers all of sudden get a hard on for her doesn't change the fact heralds are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Storm.

Swanky-Tuna
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
I "Love" how "She can't do that cuz it never happened on panel" becomes "That can't be right, the writers are "Cracked out" this is PIS".
I don't think any of that has happened here due to the fact that discussion about Storm and Heralds is slim to none.

Everything involving Surfer makes plenty of sense though. He's a pansy so getting knocked around and not butchering people isn't that far fetched because it happens in nearly every Surfer appearance. Why I label him a pansy for not killing his friends is beyond me.

2damnloud
Storm's powerful.no expression

Swanky-Tuna
Such a static sentence.

2damnloud
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
I'm just saying:


1. Condensed the hydrogen particles in space around the Surfer to create an "effect". (cool control feat)

2. Separated the Surfer from his board as an "Attention Getter" (A list feat)

3. Dispersed a cosmic being (for however long) with it's own energy/electrons
(A list feat)

4. Took a shot from the Surfer (pre Power Cosmic drain) and did, in fact, get right back up.

4. Did, in fact, say that she would hit him (next) with her full power (implying that she was, in fact, not using her full power)

Pain maybe a debatable aspect of the fight. But the feats, in and of themselves, still hold impressive merit.

All in continuity. And not PIS.

Haters should face it. Storm is finally getting the power showings that she deserves. Thanks to McDuffie and Hudlin. Two writers that get paid just like all the other writers get paid, to do the same thing that all the other writers do.

I "Love" how "She can't do that cuz it never happened on panel" becomes "That can't be right, the writers are "Cracked out" this is PIS".

Yep, it's about time she get's some shine.

She's powerful, and with my wonderfully put forth arguments about her powers and how they actually work on McDuffie's board, I hope he get's some insight into what level a character she is, and have her do some even COOLER shit. cool

I want an H-Bomb or trapping a bunch of enemies in a psionic nuclear reactor. TINY SUN, DAMNIT! shocklaugh

Swanky-Tuna
I have a question: Why do you like Storm?

BlueDMighty
Originally posted by Newjak
They are PIS because Herlads have faced far worse then Storm has ever done


"ever done" is the key phrase. and times are changing. it is totally within her power set to do what she did.

She sees the universe in terms of energy, and can manipulate that energy, and bend it to her will. Taking the electrons from Stardust is within the nature of her powers, Herald or not.


Originally posted by Newjak
In fact the heralds should have been able to simply turn her powers off, should have been able to disintegrate her body, should have been able to mind rape her, Should have been able to absorb any blast she threw, should have been able to simply take the blast head on without any effect.

"should have" is the key word here. No one is saying they couldn't. But your denying a feat becuz you don't think it should work (I've been where your at, in Storm vs whoever boards where people think "Storm ain't shit because she's never shown that kind of power on panel."
"All she's got is lightning. What's that gonna do?" But now, when she does, it's like, "This is BULLSHIT"roll eyes (sarcastic)

(I'm not sure that Heralds have the ability to sap mutants of their powers. Especially if the power is not dependant on an outside power source (the sun, gamma radiation, etc.)

(Personally, I think the Surfer would mop the floor with SuperMan. Based on his power set alone. I also think he'd get the W in a fight with Capt. Marvel (Shazzam)) But this is what i think, and apparently i'm alone (foamed at the mouth during argument)


Originally posted by Newjak
The fact is for everything she did in that fight I can name more times heralds were in far worse situations. The fact is throughout most of her career Storm hasn't even approached the title of Herald level. The fact is just because a few writers all of sudden get a hard on for her doesn't change the fact heralds are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Storm.

Again "Most of her career" is the key term here. It's a new day. As of right now, she has been shown to have that kind of power. In fact, multiple times during her career, different writers flirted with the idea of a fully powered up Storm. It just took leaving the X-men and sitting down with two other writers to actually get something dope on record.

CasanoVa
Storm continues to suck.

She sucked when she had a mohawk and was the leader of the X-Men, she sucked when she was leading the "X-Treme X-Men", she sucked when she married T'Challa and she sucks now.

It's nothing new erm.

2damnloud
She can psionically move ATOMS per FF 545. Even BEFORE that was written I knew she could do that. On McDuffie's board someone was arguing me up and down about how she can't psionically move and coalesce water vapor/MOLECULES. She "indirectly" does it by slightly tinkering with this and that. Ya know, using certain words to minimize.

It's so sad.

Storm's an atmokenetic, rather an elemental. She's liable to do anything given it has something to do with the elements.

The elements are all around.

Man, I want her to make a storm in someone's brain, or their whole body, even.

Newjak
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
"ever done" is the key phrase. and times are changing. it is totally within her power set to do what she did.

She sees the universe in terms of energy, and can manipulate that energy, and bend it to her will. Taking the electrons from Stardust is within the nature of her powers, Herald or not.




"should have" is the key word here. No one is saying they couldn't. But your denying a feat becuz you don't think it should work (I've been where your at, in Storm vs whoever boards where people think "Storm ain't shit because she's never shown that kind of power on panel."
"All she's got is lightning. What's that gonna do?" But now, when she does, it's like, "This is BULLSHIT"roll eyes (sarcastic)

(I'm not sure that Heralds have the ability to sap mutants of their powers. Especially if the power is not dependant on an outside power source (the sun, gamma radiation, etc.)

(Personally, I think the Surfer would mop the floor with SuperMan. Based on his power set alone. I also think he'd get the W in a fight with Capt. Marvel (Shazzam)) But this is what i think, and apparently i'm alone (foamed at the mouth during argument)




Again "Most of her career" is the key term here. It's a new day. As of right now, she has been shown to have that kind of power. In fact, multiple times during her career, different writers flirted with the idea of a fully powered up Storm. It just took leaving the X-men and sitting down with two other writers to actually get something dope on record. She has a mutant gene that can be turned off Silver Surfer has done it before.


And I think that may be the worse part out of all this you actually think that this shows Storm to be an equal of the heralds or at least comparative. The fact is that the entire story was about them delaying the heralds so BP could go get his stuff. Even the writer that is wanking Storm knows that he needed a plot device to beat the heralds.

The entire battle was basically Flashy delay time. Basically let's make them delay heralds for an entire issue. You also fail to mention that Human Torch and Big Ben were all doing well.

And in the end the fact remains a fancy delaying tactic doesn't change the fact that the heralds should have been able to end the match within the first second. erm

BlueDMighty
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I have a question: Why do you like Storm?

She was my 1st crush as a kid (Black kid growing up in Germany)

I've always liked her attitude and thought her powers were cool (I always thought that there was more to them).

She has great story potential, and in my opinion could have an even shadier past than Wolverine (what if Charles lied to her about being a Mutant? He's been "lying" to everyone else about everything lately. Forge's gun was designed for "Enhanced Humans" and not "Mutants" specifically. (crazyfanboyravings))

Even when she didn't have her powers she was still awesome.

I think she's Kick Ass (period)

(In a way it's almost like we've grown together. "When I was a child i thought as a child." That is to say, with recent developments and a more "Grown up" environment, I can't wait for the queen of Wakanda to start Whippin Ass and scratchin names. Her attitude as evolved as a character and I'm interested in where they take her.)

BlueDMighty
Originally posted by Newjak
She has a mutant gene that can be turned off Silver Surfer has done it before.


If so, then fair. who did he do it to?

Originally posted by Newjak
And I think that may be the worse part out of all this you actually think that this shows Storm to be an equal of the heralds or at least comparative. The fact is that the entire story was about them delaying the heralds so BP could go get his stuff. Even the writer that is wanking Storm knows that he needed a plot device to beat the heralds.


Fair.
However, she proved to be a rather "effective" diversion. In any case the feats still stand.

Originally posted by Newjak
The entire battle was basically Flashy delay time. Basically let's make them delay heralds for an entire issue. You also fail to mention that Human Torch and Big Ben were all doing well.

But, it was a "Battle" non the less. Ben and "Cosmic" Torch did their thing, i'm not hating. (just curious, was there this much turmoil when Ben went from class 60 to class 100 in super strength? What about Colossus? Parker? let the girl have her upgrade)


Originally posted by Newjak
And in the end the fact remains a fancy delaying tactic doesn't change the fact that the heralds should have been able to end the match within the first second.

Fair. But they didn't, so Storm, BP and the FF got to open up some good'ol asswhoop.

Newjak
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
If so, then fair. who did he do it to?



Fair.
However, she proved to be a rather "effective" diversion. In any case the feats still stand.



But, it was a "Battle" non the less. Ben and "Cosmic" Torch did their thing, i'm not hating. (just curious, was there this much turmoil when Ben went from class 60 to class 100 in super strength? What about Colossus? Parker? let the girl have her upgrade)




Fair. But they didn't, so Storm, BP and the FF got to open up some good'ol asswhoop. Even normal Torch was somewhat holding his own. In fact it seemed like everytime the heralds were about to flat out beat up one of the guys. Another one would step into save them.

Like Storm was about to get destroyed by Stardust when Torch or Ben saved her.

The fact is that the heralds are still way faster than these guys and bloodlusted should destroy them in any way imaginable. From burning their bodies to crisp. Even if they just strangled her with their bare hands.

By the way Ben and Colossus both received official upgrades. Storm hasn't had an official or unofficial upgrade yet. Just some decent showings but nothing that contradicts her earlier power levels.

Swanky-Tuna
What drastic differences. Mighty likes Storm because of the character and wants that to develop further. 2cloud likes her powers and seems to only want her to get more powerful with no care for character.

2damnloud
In a way she did manipulate the power cosmicshifty

Swanky-Tuna
It's a possibility.

BlueDMighty
Originally posted by Newjak
By the way Ben and Colossus both received official upgrades. Storm hasn't had an official or unofficial upgrade yet. Just some decent showings but nothing that contradicts her earlier power levels.

Were those upgrades official before, or after they performed the feat in canon?

What makes it official?

What would the handbook have to say in order to make this
recent power showing an "official upgrade" or a recognisable and repeatable feat?

Swanky-Tuna
Haha, handbooks.

Newjak
Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Were those upgrades official before, or after they performed the feat in canon?

What makes it official?

What would the handbook have to say in order to make this
recent power showing an "official upgrade" or a recognisable and repeatable feat? the differnce between Storm and those guys is this.

They both started to do feats that were past their previous power levels. That is an unofficial upgrade and then it gets put into their online bios and the handbooks that is an official upgrade.

The problem with Storm is there is no unofficial upgrade here. There really aren't any good feats. She along with two other people were trying to delay the heralds. The story was written as such with them talking a lot and blind siding the heralds. In fact the point was made quite clearly that a one on one with the heralds would have been very bad. I more or less call this a small amp for plot sakes. the heralds obviously were not using their strongest abilities or their abilities to the fullest. The other team on the other hand seemed to be showing a little more power than before. That goes for everyone BP, Torch, Ben, and Storm.

2damnloud
Storm's a burgeoning God.

Even without her powers she STILL posesses those qualities. As a matter a fact her powers override her x-gene mutation. Even without them she can still feel nature.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Newjak
the differnce between Storm and those guys is this.

They both started to do feats that were past their previous power levels. That is an unofficial upgrade and then it gets put into their online bios and the handbooks that is an official upgrade.

The problem with Storm is there is no unofficial upgrade here. There really aren't any good feats. She along with two other people were trying to delay the heralds. The story was written as such with them talking a lot and blind siding the heralds. In fact the point was made quite clearly that a one on one with the heralds would have been very bad. I more or less call this a small amp for plot sakes. the heralds obviously were not using their strongest abilities or their abilities to the fullest. The other team on the other hand seemed to be showing a little more power than before. That goes for everyone BP, Torch, Ben, and Storm.

Actually Storm's attack matches quite nicely with the way MacDuffie has been writing. He makes assumptions about characters by looking at them. That was the root of the whole Surfer fiasco.

2damnloud
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Actually Storm's attack matches quite nicely with the way MacDuffie has been writing. He makes assumptions about characters by looking at them. That was the root of the whole Surfer fiasco.


Hopefully he has insight on Ororo thanx to me. cool

Swanky-Tuna
Holy damn, I don't want to hear any ****ing ringtones!

Originally posted by Newjak
the differnce between Storm and those guys is this.

They both started to do feats that were past their previous power levels. That is an unofficial upgrade and then it gets put into their online bios and the handbooks that is an official upgrade.

The problem with Storm is there is no unofficial upgrade here. There really aren't any good feats. She along with two other people were trying to delay the heralds. The story was written as such with them talking a lot and blind siding the heralds. In fact the point was made quite clearly that a one on one with the heralds would have been very bad. I more or less call this a small amp for plot sakes. the heralds obviously were not using their strongest abilities or their abilities to the fullest. The other team on the other hand seemed to be showing a little more power than before. That goes for everyone BP, Torch, Ben, and Storm.

I believe in the thread for the last issue on McDuffie's site he does mention the Heralds being at the more touchable gets-hit-by-a-left-cross-by-Hulk end of the spectrum rather than the peak nano-second-reaction-and-lightspeeds-movement end.

2damnloud
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I believe in the thread for the last issue on McDuffie's site he does mention the Heralds being at the more touchable gets-hit-by-a-left-cross-by-Hulk end of the spectrum rather than the peak nano-second-reaction-and-lightspeeds-movement end.

Nope, he said they were unthinkably powerfull STILL, but not untouchable.

He's right, they're not. sad

Swanky-Tuna
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Nope, he said they were unthinkably powerfull STILL, but not untouchable.

He's right, they're not. sad
Was this in the thread for this issue?

2damnloud
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Was this in the thread for this issue?

Yep.

It was in reference to someone bitching about Storm. It was right around where he made the "kitty analogy".

Swanky-Tuna
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Yep.

It was in reference to someone bitching about Storm. It was right around where he made the "kitty analogy".
Then why did say nope?

2damnloud
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Then why did say nope?

What?? confused

Swanky-Tuna
Originally posted by 2damnloud
What?? confused

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I believe in the thread for the last issue on McDuffie's site he does mention the Heralds being at the more touchable gets-hit-by-a-left-cross-by-Hulk end of the spectrum rather than the peak nano-second-reaction-and-lightspeeds-movement end.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Nope, he said they were unthinkably powerfull STILL, but not untouchable.

He's right, they're not. sad
You were trying to correct me, correct?

grey fox
When the Hell will they encounter the Zombies already.....

BlueDMighty
Stardust didn't seem to be pulling any punches.

Originally posted by grey fox
When the Hell will they encounter the Zombies already.....

I can't wait.

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