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How would this tilt go, on a Jupiter sized, inhabitable planet like the Earth?


Superman, WW, GL (Hal), Flash, Lobo, and MM

vs

Thor, SS, Juggernaut, The Hulk, Gladiator, and Champion



a) random encounter
b) each team gets one day prep
c) Batman gets a week prep for DC before the fight, though doesn't participate
d) Doom gets a week prep for Marvel before the fight, though doesn't participate

Just list answers in order, i.e. DC, Marvel, DC, Marvel.

scenario d) definitely goes to Marvel.
a) probably goes to Marvel, in fact I can't see how they could fail, given SS is on their team and Hulk and Juggernaut could pummel Lobo and WW.

b) and c) are close calls, but I think they favour DC, especially c).

DC edge.
DC wins, better prep, when was the last time you saw Hulk, Gladiator, Champion, or Juggernaught make a good prep?
DC, obviously.
Marvel, should be fairly easily.

Originally posted by janus77
scenario d) definitely goes to Marvel.
a) probably goes to Marvel, in fact I can't see how they could fail, given SS is on their team and Hulk and Juggernaut could pummel Lobo and WW.

b) and c) are close calls, but I think they favour DC, especially c).

You obviously have no Idea how strong and Fast Lobo and WW are.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You obviously have no Idea how strong and Fast Lobo and WW are.
yes I do, but they're going to have to fight Hulk and Juggernaut at some point. all it takes if for either of them to get their hands on an opponent. Hulk especially.

Originally posted by janus77
yes I do, but they're going to have to fight Hulk and Juggernaut at some point. all it takes if for either of them to get their hands on an opponent. Hulk especially.

Then you don't know. Wonder Woman and Lobo are both seriously stronger than the Hulk. And far faster. And Both WW and Lobo have serious invulnerability when it comes to blunt trauma. And hulks slow ass won't be able to hit either of them if they dont' want him to. Juggernaut is taken out of the fight easily with a quick magic lasso indestructible knot tie. and Hulk is laid out cold By twin thunder punches from WW and Lobo.

never gonna buy an argument that starts out with x/y is 'seriously stronger than The Hulk'.

Hulk is the epitome of overpowering strength. the laws of physics are ripped apart by his strength. other infinite beings state that he has infinite power...

Originally posted by janus77
never gonna buy an argument that starts out with x/y is 'seriously stronger than The Hulk'.

Hulk is the epitome of overpowering strength. the laws of physics are ripped apart by his strength. other infinite beings state that he has infinite power...

LOL. You seriously don't know how the hulk works. He doesn't start out at infinite strength. There is no such thing unless you are a GOD. The hulk has unlimited potential. But Wonder Woman and Lobo are so far above his starting state that he'd be laid out before he got amped up enough to do any real damage. And he's a slow wit. How is he gonna beat two superior fighters who are superior in strength and speed?

Originally posted by BobbyD
How would this tilt go, on a Jupiter sized, inhabitable planet like the Earth?


Superman, WW, GL (Hal), Flash, Lobo, and MM

vs

Thor, SS, Juggernaut, The Hulk, Gladiator, and Champion



a) random encounter
b) each team gets one day prep
c) Batman gets a week prep for DC before the fight, though doesn't participate
d) Doom gets a week prep for Marvel before the fight, though doesn't participate

Just list answers in order, i.e. DC, Marvel, DC, Marvel.

1. Marvel
2. Marvel
3. Marvel
4. Marvel

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
LOL. You seriously don't know how the hulk works. He doesn't start out at infinite strength. There is no such thing unless you are a GOD. The hulk has unlimited potential. But Wonder Woman and Lobo are so far above his starting state that he'd be laid out before he got amped up enough to do any real damage. And he's a slow wit. How is he gonna beat two superior fighters who are superior in strength and speed?


With prep the other team members will piss him off before fight starts by saying WW said he was ugly. There you happy Hulk is now stronger then WW.

only edge in these conflicts dc has is with batman prep otherwise silver surfer gets pissed in every scenario maybe even the batman one and totally owns them marvel heavy hitters hit way harder than dc hitters

Because you made a planet like that it collapses and forms a small star thus rendering much of the Marvel team useless

DC
DC
DC
Marvel

Champion and Hulk just can't compete with the other people there.

I like DC more so I'll go with them.

I say it goes like this

a) DC slight edge
b) Marvel Thor, Silver Surfer> with prep then GL
c)DC
d)Marvel

Originally posted by Newjak
I say it goes like this

a) DC slight edge
b) Marvel Thor, Silver Surfer> with prep then GL
c)DC
d)Marvel

A: Half of marvel's team is dead weight. Total edge to DC
B: Flash gives DC alot more prep than one day via speed boost, also, there's still too much firepower on DC's side.
C: DC
D: Marvel takes one.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
A: Half of marvel's team is dead weight. Total edge to DC
B: Flash gives DC alot more prep than one day via speed boost, also, there's still too much firepower on DC's side.
C: DC
D: Marvel takes one. Pretty much what I was thinking, though I wasn't even counting on Flash so much for B as the fact that the team has a bunch of genius' on it, while Champion, Hulk, and Juggs are likely to not contribute anything to plan, or even follow a plan for that matter.

Originally posted by Juntai
Pretty much what I was thinking, though I wasn't even counting on Flash so much for B as the fact that the team has a bunch of genius' on it, while Champion, Hulk, and Juggs are likely to not contribute anything to plan, or even follow a plan for that matter.

Hell, Champion would probably sabotage them just to make the match honorable.

Originally posted by Juntai
Pretty much what I was thinking, though I wasn't even counting on Flash so much for B as the fact that the team has a bunch of genius' on it, while Champion, Hulk, and Juggs are likely to not contribute anything to plan, or even follow a plan for that matter.

I really don't get the logic for b. SS surfer negates flashes speed advantage when it comes to prep. I know he is not as fast as flash but he is fast enough to negate the prep.

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
I really don't get the logic for b. SS surfer negates flashes speed advantage when it comes to prep. I know he is not as fast as flash but he is fast enough to negate the prep.

Flash can grant Speed to others easily. Which means that everyone on the DC team will be moving and thinking faster than usual. Comined with a GL and the fact that many of the DC people are extremely intelligent had have access to huge amounts of GodTech and such and it would be hard to out prep them.

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
I really don't get the logic for b. SS surfer negates flashes speed advantage when it comes to prep. I know he is not as fast as flash but he is fast enough to negate the prep. I doubt it, but my idea wasn't counting on it anyways. Flash's time control and speed lending can extend their prep almost literally forever. I haven't seen Surfer do anything quite similar or share it as such.

However, I was just taking at base value, the intelligence level and likely resources available between the teams is staggering.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Flash can grant Speed to others easily. Which means that everyone on the DC team will be moving and thinking faster than usual. Comined with a GL and the fact that many of the DC people are extremely intelligent had have access to huge amounts of GodTech and such and it would be hard to out prep them.


OK now I see. DC guys are just too powerfull.

guys no one on ur team could beat the silver surfer in an enraged state he can shatter planets when pissed hes to much to handleand he has teammates lol

Originally posted by quanchi112
guys no one on ur team could beat the silver surfer in an enraged state he can shatter planets when pissed hes to much to handleand he has teammates lol You kidding me right?

Originally posted by Juntai
You kidding me right?
I believe you know the answer to that.

Originally posted by Juntai
I doubt it, but my idea wasn't counting on it anyways. Flash's time control and speed lending can extend their prep almost literally forever. I haven't seen Surfer do anything quite similar or share it as such.

However, I was just taking at base value, the intelligence level and likely resources available between the teams is staggering. Since when have Flash and Wonder Woman been geniuses

The fact is Thor and Silver Surfer both had or have Time Manip abilities as well and SS can share is power cosmic with other people. Thor and SS prep> The other team combined. There is no doubt about it. And yes Cain is more of a resource then you think.

If you want to know the truth SS gives him 65% of his Power Cosmic. Thor gives him his hammer and Champion gives him some of the power Primordial. Cain has literally just become> Then DC combined

oh, I forgot about the SS cloning ability. Marvel stomp on DC.
SS turns the lot of them into Heralds.

a Silver Surfer level Hulk Herald would just annihilate any of the DC characters. too strong (insanely overpowering), too fast for anyone - including the Flash - and impossible to kill.

just as Surfer could drain Hulk of his gamma radiation, the Surfer could simply pump Hulk - a CALM Hulk - full of Gamma radiation and make him stronger than all the other characters combined.

that's just another way for Marvel to stomp on DC... really hadn't considered Surfer empowering the other characters, but now that I am thinking about it. Marvel wins in every scenario bar the one where Batman prep is used. Batman with prep is too much to overcome, unless Doom prep or Reed prep is used.

Originally posted by Newjak
Since when have Flash and Wonder Woman been geniuses

The fact is Thor and Silver Surfer both had or have Time Manip abilities as well and SS can share is power cosmic with other people. Thor and SS prep> The other team combined. There is no doubt about it. And yes Cain is more of a resource then you think.

If you want to know the truth SS gives him 65% of his Power Cosmic. Thor gives him his hammer and Champion gives him some of the power Primordial. Cain has literally just become> Then DC combined Remember Flash outthinking the computer from the 853rd century, for example?

Thor has no time control last I checked.
Silver Surfer's few instances of viewing into time and stuff are nothing comparable to Flash in the slightest from what I've seen.

Can you show me Surfer doing something like that in continuity. Giving another person his power cosmic?
Same for Champion with his power? All I've seen that guy do is get his ass beat.
Thor isn't the one who deems worthy, correct? Rather Odin? I'm doubting Cain is worthy to wield it.

LOL


OK, if we're going this idiotic route now. Hal's ring is the ring with the ability to create other rings. He turns the entire group into GLs. In the meanwhile, while they practice in 'Flash time' for the equivelent of 10,000,00000000,000000000,0000000000000 years, Hal decides to walk into the OA batter again, and obtain power like he had in Zero Hour.



Now please, quit it.

Surfer/Heralds absorb the OAN battery.
GL's run out of juice, stomped. Marvel wins.

Surfer has empowered other people - humans, nevermind superhumans - with his exact powers. it's a legitimate power of his and thus this thread swings totally towards Marvel.

Well, this was a nice thread at one point.

.......Surfer absorb the OAN battery? Man, Thanos has higher absorbtion feats, so I think he'd have a shot. I don't think anyone on marvel's team can absorb the battery.

Edit: Thor did have time travel with his hammer at one point, but that power was jacked by Immortus.

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer/Heralds absorb the OAN battery.
GL's run out of juice, stomped. Marvel wins.

Surfer has empowered other people - humans, nevermind superhumans - with his exact powers. it's a legitimate power of his and thus this thread swings totally towards Marvel. Except I already had Hal absorb the battery above in the other post.
He then writes them out of all timelines simultaneously.


DC wins, regardless of how ****ing stupid you guys went and made the thread.

Surfer absorbs the Oan battery?
crylaughcrylaughcrylaughcrylaugh

This thread was lopsided from the start, hulk and champion cannot keep up with the speed, and juggernaut will just sit there taking damage forever with his shield up, until he gets bfred. A more balanced fight would have been Thor, Silver Surfer, Quasar, Beta Ray Bill, Adam Warlock, Sentry Vs. Superman, The Flash, GL, WonderWoman, Lobo, Martian Manhunter Be close in every category except 4, where Marvel would dominate IMO. Dooms prep is scary, alot more so than batmans

Originally posted by Newjak
Since when have Flash and Wonder Woman been geniuses

WW's been around a long time. Current Flash has a photographic memory and absorbed all the info in an entire library. Imagine what happens if you put him in the Batcave.

Originally posted by Newjak
The fact is Thor and Silver Surfer both had or have Time Manip abilities as well.

Thor's TimeManip was removed wasn't it? What are SS's TimeManip feats?

Originally posted by Newjak
SS can share is power cosmic with other people. Thor and SS prep> The other team combined. There is no doubt about it. And yes Cain is more of a resource then you think.

If you want to know the truth SS gives him 65% of his Power Cosmic. Thor gives him his hammer and Champion gives him some of the power Primordial. Cain has literally just become> Then DC combined

What makes you think Champ could hold the hammer?

You're ignoring that DC will probably be in the Fortress and Cave the whole time too. Flash will be portioning out speed to the whole group. GL will be making everything the team needs. Batman will be planning out tactics and giving out tech (motherbox anyone?). Superman has a bunch of robots to help. WW has a fair share of magical artifacts.

If they really needed to they could also thow everything on one person and go for the overwhelming ,move too.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
WW's been around a long time. Current Flash has a photographic memory and absorbed all the info in an entire library. Imagine what happens if you put him in the Batcave.



Thor's TimeManip was removed wasn't it? What are SS's TimeManip feats?



What makes you think Champ could hold the hammer?

You're ignoring that DC will probably be in the Fortress and Cave the whole time too. Flash will be portioning out speed to the whole group. GL will be making everything the team needs. Batman will be planning out tactics and giving out tech (motherbox anyone?). Superman has a bunch of robots to help. WW has a fair share of magical artifacts.

If they really needed to they could also thow everything on one person and go for the overwhelming ,move too. I'd think of some constructive stuff to add, I'm dissapointed at how the thread turned for the worse. Silver Surfer becoming like Galactus and making several heralds as strong as himself and them running off to absorb the entire OAN battery.

Originally posted by Juntai
I'd think of some constructive stuff to add



Originally posted by Juntai
I'm dissapointed at how the thread turned for the worse. Silver Surfer becoming like Galactus and making several heralds as strong as himself and them running off to absorb the entire OAN battery.

Thats a tad insane.

As the threadmaker, I've actually found this thread to have taken a turn for the humorous.

Now, it wasn't my intention to see comments such as the one created below, but I couldn't help but laugh out loud. Aw boy, that's too much.




Originally posted by Estacado
Surfer absorbs the Oan battery?
crylaughcrylaughcrylaughcrylaugh

Originally posted by BobbyD
As the threadmaker, I've actually found this thread to have taken a turn for the humorous.

Now, it wasn't my intention to see comments such as the one created below, but I couldn't help but laugh out loud. Aw boy, that's too much.









At least you realized you goofed. Check out Mykke's post, he had a good idea of how to make this more even.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
At least you realized you goofed. Check out Mykke's post, he had a good idea of how to make this more even.

It wasn't my intention to make this a draw/even match, per se. ....rather just a random scenarios with some elements of prep for each team, that's all. Yes, looking back I see I gave marvel too many bricks.

You, or someone, of course is more welcome to start their own. Know what I mean?


Originally posted by Estacado
Surfer absorbs the Oan battery?
crylaughcrylaughcrylaughcrylaugh



I just can't get over this. The tears are pooring from my eyes, I tell ya'!

hysterical

I may not read DC as must as the next guy, but how often does Flash actually "potion out" his speed? I'm not arguing that he can't do it, because I know he can, I'm just wondering how likely he is to actually do it.

I mean, half the time when the JLA prepares for a fight, you don't see Hal making constructs and Flash giving everyone the speedforce...CIS is still on.

Also, if everyone gets to prep in the Batcave and in the Fortress, does that mean Thor gets to prep in Asgard? Does Gladiator get the entire Shi'ar Empire to help him in his prep?

Also, Hulk isn't too shabby at prep...look what he's pulled together for WWH.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
WW's been around a long time. Current Flash has a photographic memory and absorbed all the info in an entire library. Imagine what happens if you put him in the Batcave.



Thor's TimeManip was removed wasn't it? What are SS's TimeManip feats?



What makes you think Champ could hold the hammer?

You're ignoring that DC will probably be in the Fortress and Cave the whole time too. Flash will be portioning out speed to the whole group. GL will be making everything the team needs. Batman will be planning out tactics and giving out tech (motherbox anyone?). Superman has a bunch of robots to help. WW has a fair share of magical artifacts.

If they really needed to they could also thow everything on one person and go for the overwhelming ,move too. That doesn't make you a genius just because you can memorize things dogs can also memorize things

and yes Thor has lost his time effects I just like saying it to scare people but it doesn't change the fact that they can always transfer to a dimension that doesn't possess time

And it wasn't Champ it was Cain aka Juggernaut. And seeing as Odin can allow whoever he wishes to wield the hammer and Thor is his son of course he will let Cain use it for this fight.

And I don't think you quite understand what this team has access to. Silver Surfer can make everything his team needs probably better than the GL. Thor has access to vast magical items of his own and powerful magic spells. And while they have the Fortress and the Cave this group has Asgard and Galactus' Ship.

Heck Hulk in Prep is Bruce Banner who is no pushover in intellect.

By the way DC only get Batman for c) not b) so Batman is useless in the scenario we talked about

By the way Silver Surfer just merges with Eternity again for the win Juntai

Originally posted by Newjak
That doesn't make you a genius just because you can memorize things dogs can also memorize things

and yes Thor has lost his time effects I just like saying it to scare people but it doesn't change the fact that they can always transfer to a dimension that doesn't possess time

And it wasn't Champ it was Cain aka Juggernaut. And seeing as Odin can allow whoever he wishes to wield the hammer and Thor is his son of course he will let Cain use it for this fight.

And I don't think you quite understand what this team has access to. Silver Surfer can make everything his team needs probably better than the GL. Thor has access to vast magical items of his own and powerful magic spells. And while they have the Fortress and the Cave this group has Asgard and Galactus' Ship.

Heck Hulk in Prep is Bruce Banner who is no pushover in intellect.

By the way DC only get Batman for c) not b) so Batman is useless in the scenario we talked about

By the way Silver Surfer just merges with Eternity again for the win Juntai OA battery > Eternity. Sorry buddy. I guess you never read Zero Hour, huh? Hal wiping out and creating universes?

What the hell would Juggernaut do with the Mjolnir????
He can't touch any of those guys.

Originally posted by Estacado
What the hell would Juggernaut do with the Mjolnir????
He can't touch any of those guys. Gain the powers of Thor and the idea was SS to give him Cosmic power to augment his speed

Ah, the thread got stupid a while back, taking the characters merely as what they are, I still say DC, DC, DC, Marvel. But if we want to take the retarded approach, Hal alone wins via OA Battery absorbtion.

Originally posted by Juntai
Ah, the thread got stupid a while back, taking the characters merely as what they are, I still say DC, DC, DC, Marvel. But if we want to take the retarded approach, Hal alone wins via OA Battery absorbtion. You do realize everything I said could have been done in actual prep without having to go anywhere you or was it someone else started talking about going to The Fortress and stuff like that. So in essence you made this thread screwy

Originally posted by Newjak
You do realize everything I said could have been done in actual prep without having to go anywhere you or was it someone else started talking about going to The Fortress and stuff like that. So in essence you made this thread screwy Actually, I didn't say anything about the Fortress or the speedprepping stuff.

The thread got dumb once you and Janus came up with Surfer turning the team all into heralds, and trying to convince people Thor and Surfer can control time. And that Juggs would come to battle holding Thor's hammer.

Originally posted by Juntai
Actually, I didn't say anything about the Fortress or the speedprepping stuff.

The thread got dumb once you and Janus came up with Surfer turning the team all into heralds, and trying to convince people Thor and Surfer can control time. And that Juggs would come to battle holding Thor's hammer. I never said Surfer would turn them all into heralds maybe you should reread or learn to read

Bu t I said Silver Surfer could and has shown the ability to transfer his power to other beings and other people besides Thor has held his hammer before.

None of it is actually that far fetched in fact non of it is far fetched at all seeing as it has all happened before.

But yes you guys were the ones talking about doing all this leaving the prep area and talking about geniuses like it matters. The fact is Thor and Silver Surfer can both do more than Hal can and seeing as he is the only person on your team that has a power like SS or Thor's hammer it wa sa good assumption that they will out prep DC

Originally posted by Newjak
I never said Surfer would turn them all into heralds maybe you should reread or learn to read

Bu t I said Silver Surfer could and has shown the ability to transfer his power to other beings and other people besides Thor has held his hammer before.

None of it is actually that far fetched in fact non of it is far fetched at all seeing as it has all happened before.

But yes you guys were the ones talking about doing all this leaving the prep area and talking about geniuses like it matters. The fact is Thor and Silver Surfer can both do more than Hal can and seeing as he is the only person on your team that has a power like SS or Thor's hammer it wa sa good assumption that they will out prep DC OK then, it's not far fetched, Hal has also absorbed the OA battery and wiped existance and erased people from time before. Therefore not farfetched right? Good.

I never said anything close to what you're talking about. You're pinning the tail on the wrong donkey. The only mention I did of speedforce prepping and all was just in clarification to another poster, then brushed it aside saying "I wasn't even taking that into account".

What do mean leaving the prep area? I never said anything about leaving a prep area. Shit, I didn't even know there was a 'prep area'. But about the resources, assuming that's what you're talking about. Try reading forum rules that they "are allowed access to any material resources they usually have there or of any team they're active members of, as long as they can reasonably get to them.". OK? OK.

And one team being a lot more intelligent overall than the other team doesn't matter in prepping? Since when? Since you said so? DC's team is all above agerage intellect and up. Most of Marvel's team can barely comprehend adjective and subject/verb agreement, let alone a serious plan.

I trace the thread going sour directly back to your posts detailing;
1) Juggs wielding Thors hammer.
2) Sharing power cosmic.
3) Surfer and Thor will control time.
4) Champion sharing power primodial

Originally posted by Juntai
OK then, it's not far fetched, Hal has also absorbed the OA battery and wiped existance and erased people from time before. Therefore not farfetched right? Good.

I never said anything close to what you're talking about. You're pinning the tail on the wrong donkey. The only mention I did of speedforce prepping and all was just in clarification to another poster, then brushed it aside saying "I wasn't even taking that into account".

What do mean leaving the prep area? I never said anything about leaving a prep area. Shit, I didn't even know there was a 'prep area'. But about the resources, assuming that's what you're talking about. Try reading forum rules that they "are allowed access to any material resources they usually have there or of any team they're active members of, as long as they can reasonably get to them.". OK? OK.

And one team being a lot more intelligent overall than the other team doesn't matter in prepping? Since when? Since you said so? DC's team is all above agerage intellect and up. Most of Marvel's team can barely comprehend adjective/verb agreement, let alone a serious plan.

I trace the thread going sour directly back to your posts detailing;
1) Juggs wielding Thors hammer.
2) Sharing power cosmic.
3) Surfer and Thor will control time.
4) Champion sharing power primodial Last time I checked Hal doesn't carry the OA battery on him

And you did talk about leaving the prep area once you started talking about the Fortress and the Cave ot maybe that was someone else.

And yes in this instance one team's intellect really doesn't matter because most of them won't be able to contribute to any kind of prep. The only person on your team that can is Hal because of the ring. Marvel has two people that can do it.

And everything I said can and would be capable of happening so why would that make the thread sour

Originally posted by Newjak
Last time I checked Hal doesn't carry the OA battery on him

And you did talk about leaving the prep area once you started talking about the Fortress and the Cave ot maybe that was someone else.

And yes in this instance one team's intellect really doesn't matter because most of them won't be able to contribute to any kind of prep. The only person on your team that can is Hal because of the ring. Marvel has two people that can do it.

And everything I said can and would be capable of happening so why would that make the thread sour
I didn't say it.

Since when did you have be Surfer or Thor or Lantern to execute a plan in combat? That's mostly what prep is.

Intelligence and strategy play a HUGE part. Noting the intelligence difference in teams, and the fact the JLA works as a team every day, while the Marvel team is a random group, also leans heavily in their favor.

If you can't see where you began turn it sour after my last post, that's on you, because it's clear to me.

Originally posted by Juntai
I didn't say it.

Since when did you have be Surfer or Thor or Lantern to execute a plan in combat? That's mostly what prep is.

Intelligence and strategy play a HUGE part. Noting the intelligence difference in teams, and the fact the JLA works as a team every day, while the Marvel team is a random group, also leans heavily in their favor. Power meshing is what prep is all about if you had been apart of KMC tourneys you would know that

The fact of the matter is when it comes to power meshing and optimizing your team DC only has GL you can do that. Marvel has two people that can do that.

Is it possible that with prep Juggernaut can become Trion Lv's?

Originally posted by His Airness
Is it possible that with prep Juggernaut can become Trion Lv's? Thor's Magical Hammer may be able to allow Cain more power but it is a big what if. Everything I have said is actually doable.

His team can make Cain Marko Thor+Silver Surfer+Juggernaut and SS can absorb the power from Champion and give it to Cain as well.

Hal can create more rings, giving everyone a full load on every finger. All fully functional at the same level.
Flash can share speedforce and time displacement.
Martian Manhunter mindlinks enable coordinating attacks uncomparable, especially when noting the team has been doing such for a long time, and already works better together than the other team regardless.
Lobo can create an indefinite amount of clones, Hal can load them all up with rings.
They create an entire Corp. Flash makes them all think in hyperspeed for purposes of ringslinging, and Martian Manhunter makes them all of one mind.

With them dumping their power into one guy, the team gets railroaded in less than a second, leaving only Cain, and even he would eventually go down.

Bart soloes it?

Originally posted by Juntai
Hal can create more rings, giving everyone a full load on every finger. All fully functional at the same level.
Flash can share speedforce and time displacement.
Martian Manhunter mindlinks enable coordinating attacks uncomparable, especially when noting the team has been doing such for a long time, and already works better together than the other team regardless.
Lobo can create an indefinite amount of clones, Hal can load them all up with rings.
They create an entire Corp. Flash makes them all think in hyperspeed for purposes of ringslinging, and Martian Manhunter makes them all of one mind.

With them dumping their power into one guy, the team gets railroaded in less than a second, leaving only Cain, and even he would eventually go down. Silver Surfer+Juggernaut+Thor+Championship+Hulk Gamma Radiation>then all that

Originally posted by Newjak
Silver Surfer+Juggernaut+Thor+Championship+Hulk Gamma Radiation>then all that I disagree.

Originally posted by Juntai
I disagree. That is Superboy prime level of power and plus a huge Magic advantage and the fact that we have never seen Hal create that many rings before

Originally posted by Newjak
That is Superboy prime level of power and plus a huge Magic advantage and the fact that we have never seen Hal create that many rings before Really? Kyle created a corp with Hals ring. It has shown no limits to being able to create more rings.

Lobo is nigh-immune to magic btw. a few thousand of them weileding full loads of rings would be too much. Also noting his powers WITHOUT the rings.


Mindlinking and combining will makes the rings effect even greater. The JLA HAS done this before.

Originally posted by Juntai
Really? Kyle created a corp with Hals ring. It has shown no limits to being able to create more rings.

Lobo is nigh-immune to magic btw. a few thousand of them weileding full loads of rings would be too much. Also noting his powers WITHOUT the rings.


Mindlinking and combining will makes the rings effect even greater. The JLA HAS done this before. I'm not saying they won't be effective but they are not overpowering Thor+Juggernaut+Silversurfer+Chamion+Hulk combined

Which Thor and SS are more than capable of doing.

And all that means is at best he can create 7200 GL rings from what we've seen that isn't enough

Originally posted by Newjak
I'm not saying they won't be effective but they are not overpowering Thor+Juggernaut+Silversurfer+Chamion+Hulk combined

Which Thor and SS are more than capable of doing.

And all that means is at best he can create 7200 GL rings from what we've seen that isn't enough I disagree.

One person uses magnetism to rip the hammer away
Others drain the various energy signatures. Which they are fully capable of doing.

He eventually goes down.

In either case, even in your belief, and you try to disregard all this yet again... the best that could be accomplished is the team getting wiped minus one character, and that character is not enough to stop what I just depicted. Not even remotely close.

Originally posted by Juntai
I disagree.

One person uses magnetism to rip the hammer away
Others drain the various energy signatures. Which they are fully capable of doing.

He eventually goes down.

In either case, even in your belief, and you try to disregard all this yet again... the best that could be accomplished is the team getting wiped minus one character, and that character is not enough to stop what I just depicted. Not even remotely close. You see that only works iff SS power wasn't enough to stop that

Plus like you said Kyle recreated the GL corps how long did it take him. Ho many rings has Hal made at one time

And by the Way Thor's Hammer plus SS absorption backed by Champions' Power Primordial abilities mean not so much

Originally posted by Newjak
You see that only works iff SS power wasn't enough to stop that

Plus like you said Kyle recreated the GL corps how long did it take him. Ho many rings has Hal made at one time

And by the Way Thor's Hammer plus SS absorption backed by Champions' Power Primordial abilities mean not so much Originally posted by Juntai

In either case, even in your belief, and you try to disregard all this yet again... the best that could be accomplished is the team getting wiped minus one character, and that character is not enough to stop what I just depicted. Not even remotely close.

Originally posted by Juntai
Nice job with the quote

The fact remains Super Juggernaut is greater than anyone one of your guys plus he is invulnerable to any of your attacks and backed by the power Primordial amplifying Silver Surfer's power he is quite abit stronger than them as well

Originally posted by Newjak
Nice job with the quote

The fact remains Super Juggernaut is greater than anyone one of your guys plus he is invulnerable to any of your attacks and backed by the power Primordial amplifying Silver Surfer's power he is quite abit stronger than them as well I disagree, if the power cosmic can be given as energy to him, it can be taken as well or at least countered when he tries to use it, simultaneously as the Gamma, and the power primordial, and the hammer being ripped from his hands. By hundreds or thousands of guys that he won't be able to permantly put down.


But I already described all this, and you already disregarded it saying how he would use the other powers to counter it. Powers that would be drained/draining away from him as the combat continues.


I won't continue arguing this fanboy crap anymore. You're obviously not going to conceed how vastly overmatched you team, and even your amalgam creation is.

Originally posted by Juntai
I disagree, if the power cosmic can be given as energy to him, it can be taken as well or at least countered when he tries to use it, simultaneously as the Gamma, and the power primordial, and the hammer being ripped from his hands. By hundreds or thousands of guys that he won't be able to permantly put down.


But I already described all this, and you already disregarded it saying how he would use the other powers to counter it. Powers that would be drained/draining away from him as the combat continues.


I won't continue arguing this fanboy crap anymore. You're obviously not going to conceed how vastly overmatched the team, and even your amalgam creation is. I understand his powers would be drainable but highly unlikely. Its not like he is going to sit there and let himself be drained

The fact is that none of those guys will be in his league. All his powers will be acting to make him stronger I would dare say he would be able to drain more of DC's guys then the other way around. Think about SS power's are already match if not a little greater than a GL's ring. You add Thor's powers to that both of those amplified by the Power Primordial from Champion and the guy is league above yours and will probably drain their rings to make himself stronger not the other way around.

And a fanboy am I. Os that is what you have resorted to namecalling

Originally posted by Newjak

And a fanboy am I. Os that is what you have resorted to namecalling I didn't call you anything.

Originally posted by Juntai
I didn't call you anything. Yeah


Originally posted by Juntai

I won't continue arguing this fanboy crap anymore. You're obviously not going to conceed how vastly overmatched you team, and even your amalgam creation is. Seems to me that you implied I was being a fanboy

Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah


Seems to me that you implied I was being a fanboy I didn't call you anything. Notice how none of my sentences, anywhere in the thread, started with "You're" and ended with "a fanboy".

I could care less, you can take it however you want.


But since we're on it.

Where do we draw the line?

How about disregarding evidence or ideas with valid credence: Such as them being out to manuever, out think, and drain your amalgan, due to vastly more characters, from more directions, moving at a faster rate, and thinking and acting in perfect unison, only to reply that Cain could somehow outmulti-task a team of thousands working such a manner..

Making up powers: Giving away the power Primodial, something Champion has never been shown capable of. Similarly, putting "Hulk" power into this character.

Attempt to use powers a character doesn't even have: Thor manipulating time.


etc, etc.


It's seriously a joke.

Originally posted by Juntai
I didn't call you anything. Notice how none of my sentences, anywhere in the thread, started with "You're" and ended with "a fanboy".

I could care less, you can take it however you want.


But since we're on it.

Where do we draw the line?

How about disregarding evidence or ideas with valid credence: Such as them being out to manuever, out think, and drain your amalgan, due to vastly more characters, from more directions, moving at a faster rate, and thinking and acting in perfect unison, only to reply that Cain could somehow outmulti-task a team of thousands working such a manner..

Making up powers: Giving away the power Primodial, something Champion has never been shown capable of. Similarly, putting "Hulk" power into this character.

Attempt to use powers a character doesn't even have: Thor manipulating time.


etc, etc.


It's seriously a joke.

Thats all I can say.

As for the Power Primordial and Hulk's Gama radiation Silver Surfer cna absorb them and transfer them. He has already done similar thing throughout his entire history from actually doing to Hulk to the Big Crunch. So no I haven't made up any powers

And while we are on it all your guys are only as strong as a GL in the absorption department. Thor plus Silver Surfer backed by the Power Primordial seriously is second to none if energy absorption and > then a GL. The fact is this being could easily drain a GL ring making himself stronger each time

It not a hard concept to get

So if anything is a joke I would have to say it is what your saying

blowup

Originally posted by Juntai
blowup What I understand that there gonna be a like a million GLs and they are all gonna freaking absorb the guy who is much better than any of them in power absorption even without Power Primordial with it he would be more than able to drain the GL rings themselves.


Unless your gonna try and tell me now that GL rings can not be drained which be both know is false

Originally posted by Newjak
What I understand that there gonna be a like a million GLs and they are all gonna freaking absorb the guy who is much better than any of them in power absorption even without Power Primordial with it he would be more than able to drain the GL rings themselves.


Unless your gonna try and tell me now that GL rings can not be drained which be both know is false

You did forget that the rings especially hal, is good at absorbing actual beings into his ring thus, making them all subject to his will in the universe inside the ring the he is lord over. Marvel loses big time as flash steels all of thier speed and Hal absorbs them into the ring.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You did forget that the rings especially hal, is good at absorbing actual beings into his ring thus, making them all subject to his will in the universe inside the ring the he is lord over. Marvel loses big time as flash steels all of thier speed and Hal absorbs them into the ring. Magic protection from Flash for the win

And Super Juggs just absorbs all the power from Hal's ring

Originally posted by Newjak
Magic protection from Flash for the win

And Super Juggs just absorbs all the power from Hal's ring

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl

Originally posted by Newjak
Nice job with the quote

The fact remains Super Juggernaut is greater than anyone one of your guys plus he is invulnerable to any of your attacks and backed by the power Primordial amplifying Silver Surfer's power he is quite abit stronger than them as well
Time manipulation.
Also the logic sucks since if Cain get's the Hammer Thor get's mauled by Superman in no time and Surfer also becomes much more vulnerable.Also Flash could easily steal Juggernaut's speed the other like Hulk and Champion are no factor.

Originally posted by Newjak
Magic protection from Flash for the win

And Super Juggs just absorbs all the power from Hal's ring
crylaughcrylaughcrylaughcrylaughcrylaugh
MM just fazes through the force field.

Originally posted by Estacado
Time manipulation.
Also the logic sucks since if Cain get's the Hammer Thor get's mauled by Superman in no time and Surfer also becomes much more vulnerable.Also Flash could easily steal Juggernaut's speed the other like Hulk and Champion are no factor.


crylaughcrylaughcrylaughcrylaughcrylaugh So all that matters is that Super Cain could solo them

As for Jugg's speed remember he has a certain magic enchantment

And even if MM could pahse therough the shield then what he still gets absrobed into the hammer.

No he wouldn't since Hal could aways stop time.

Originally posted by Newjak
So all that matters is that Super Cain could solo them

As for Jugg's speed remember he has a certain magic enchantment

And even if MM could pahse therough the shield then what he still gets absrobed into the hammer.

His magic enchantment isnt' going to stop him from being forced to sit completely still by Wonder Woman's more powerful magic lasso.

Originally posted by Estacado
No he wouldn't since Hal could aways stop time. SS teleports the ring off

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
His magic enchantment isnt' going to stop him from being forced to sit completely still by Wonder Woman's more powerful magic lasso. No but his superior speed will make sure he hog ties her not him

Originally posted by Newjak
No but his superior speed will make sure he hog ties her not him

Too bad He doesn't have superior Reflexes. Giving a slow moving oaf like juggs super speed would be like putting granny in a nascar racer.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Too bad He doesn't have superior Reflexes. Giving a slow moving oaf like juggs super speed would be like putting granny in a nascar racer. Silver Surfer does have Super Reflexes Cain would be perfectly fine

Originally posted by Juntai
I what I find funny is that you guys actually think that any one JLAer is going to stop Super Juggernaut

super Juggernaut would beat Thanos and Despero both at the same time

This is getting so ****ing lame.....

Originally posted by Estacado
This is getting so ****ing lame.....

Getting. Yeah, getting . . .

Originally posted by Estacado
This is getting so ****ing lame..... Why because Team DC can not take on Super Juggernaut

Originally posted by Newjak
I what I find funny is that you guys actually think that any one JLAer is going to stop Super Juggernaut

super Juggernaut would beat Thanos and Despero both at the same time Except I never said that, and it's definately not the case here. He is against an army vastly more versatile in it's approach. And although he may be stronger than any 1, the mass of them, all wielding similar power, and working in an incomparable fashion of togetherness due to mindlink, and an incomparable speed of body and though with The Speedforce Aura, makes short work of him.

Originally posted by Newjak
Why because Team DC can not take on Super Juggernaut

Only cause you don't consider that DC gets prep too. none180

Originally posted by Newjak
Why because Team DC can not take on Super Juggernaut
None.

Originally posted by Newjak
Why because Team DC can not take on Super Juggernaut No, because you won't admit they can.

Originally posted by Juntai
Except I never said that, and it's definately not the case here. He is against an army vastly more versatile in it's approach. And although he may be stronger than any 1, the mass of them, all wielding similar power, and working in an incomparable fashion of togetherness due to mindline, and an incomparable speed of body and though with The Speedforce Aura, makes short work of him. Except he still has Silver Surfer + Thor backed by Champion's power they aren't going to take his power before he drains most of them.

He may only be like 50 times stronger than GL but then again you put a million flies against one human it doesn't change the outcome much

Originally posted by Juntai
No, because you won't admit they can. Why should I

Since when can Champ share is power anyway?

Originally posted by BobbyD
How would this tilt go, on a Jupiter sized, inhabitable planet like the Earth?


Superman, WW, GL (Hal), Flash, Lobo, and MM

vs

Thor, SS, Juggernaut, The Hulk, Gladiator, and Champion



a) random encounter
b) each team gets one day prep
c) Batman gets a week prep for DC before the fight, though doesn't participate
d) Doom gets a week prep for Marvel before the fight, though doesn't participate

Just list answers in order, i.e. DC, Marvel, DC, Marvel.

Really. This fight was DC's from the beginning. Wonder Woman gives the Superman Her Guantlet of Atlas. She gives the Other One to LOBO. Now you have both of them ten times stronger and more invulnerable. MM Merges with WW via a phase shape change, like he did in WW's comic when she got killed, thus making them Wonder Martian. Flash Gives Hal Speed, and Hal Makes Flash into a Daxamite via Hal's ability to alter DNA. JLA in a massive curb stopm. Even against that silly SUper Juggernaut. As he succumbs to Wonder WOman and Martian Manhunters combined Massive Telepathic power.

Originally posted by Newjak
Except he still has Silver Surfer + Thor backed by Champion's power they aren't going to take his power before he drains most of them.

He may only be like 50 times stronger than GL but then again you put a million flies against one human it doesn't change the outcome much No, the power cosmic and the power primoridial and the hammer will all be ripped from him by thousands working in unison, and their mindlinking the willpower of several into one increasing the power, assures the idea that his energy absorption won't overmatch theirs. They are far more versatile, and can do more at once.

YOu're acting like they're working all in a line.

They are doing this all at once.
In Flash-like speed of body and thought.
With the versatility of Green Lantern, multiplied by wills working in unison, as they can STACK in power and effectiveness.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Since when can Champ share is power anyway? He's been making up shit and disregarding evidence the whole thread. First I point it out, then point out how it doesn't matter anyways. He disregards it, and moves along.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Really. This fight was DC's from the beginning. Yep.

1 DC.
2 DC.
3 DC.
4 Marvel.

Originally posted by Juntai
No, the power cosmic and the power primoridial and the hammer will all be ripped from him by thousands working in unison, and their mindlinking the willpower of several into one increasing the power, assures the idea that his energy absorption won't overmatch theirs. They are far more versatile, and can do more at once.

YOu're acting like they're working all in a line.

They are doing this all at once.
In Flash-like speed of body and thought.
With the versatility of Green Lantern, multiplied by wills working in unison, as they can STACK in power and effectiveness. How are they going to rip them from him exactly. Magnetism that only works as long as cain isn't holding the hammer.

Taking his power only works if he isn't stopping them. Seriously the guy is about 50 times stronger than the strongest guy you could make. that makes a huge difference just look how easily Superboy Prime tore through the GL Corps

And let us not forget Silver Surfer isn't a slow poke either

Originally posted by Juntai
He's been making up shit and disregarding evidence the whole thread. First I point it out, then point out how it doesn't matter anyways. He disregards it, and moves along. Since when did I ever say that Champ was giving him his power I said Silver Surfer could take it and give it throug habsorbtion which has more than enough proof to back it up

Originally posted by Newjak
How are they going to rip them from him exactly. Magnetism that only works as long as cain isn't holding the hammer.

Taking his power only works if he isn't stopping them. Seriously the guy is about 50 times stronger than the strongest guy you could make. that makes a huge difference just look how easily Superboy Prime tore through the GL Corps

And let us not forget Silver Surfer isn't a slow poke either

MM merges them all into one. They grab all Diana's stuff. They will themselves invulnerable. They one shot your Juggy.

Originally posted by Newjak
Since when did I ever say that Champ was giving him his power I said Silver Surfer could take it and give it throug habsorbtion which has more than enough proof to back it up Really? Got scans of him taking it from Champion previously? Or anyone taking it from Champion?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
MM merges them all into one. They grab all Diana's stuff. They will themselves invulnerable. They one shot your Juggy.



And one shot no because Cain is still way more durable then them all.

By the way I'm getting a little bored with this it has been fun but here are a few question for you guys.

First hasn't Lobo lost his cloning Power?

How many GL rings has Hal made at one time?

When has Flash ever completely amped everyone one up with speed to his level?



Originally posted by Juntai
Really? Got scans of him taking it from Champion previously? Or anyone taking it from Champion? Nope but Big Crunch>Champion

Originally posted by Newjak
How are they going to rip them from him exactly. Magnetism that only works as long as cain isn't holding the hammer.

Taking his power only works if he isn't stopping them. Seriously the guy is about 50 times stronger than the strongest guy you could make. that makes a huge difference just look how easily Superboy Prime tore through the GL Corps

And let us not forget Silver Surfer isn't a slow poke either Then he'll end up minus all the added energies, eventually just as Juggernaut with a hammer. And then that too would be stripped eventually. Too many different characters, from too many directions, thinking and acting at higher level of thought and speed. If Surfer can give the power cosmic as an energy, and same with the Primordial and Gamma. Several of them combining their wills in unison would overpower his absorption rate, and take the Gamma, another set would do the same with the Primordial, another group of them with the cosmic, with others still left to attack and distract.
I can't believe you actually believe you actually believe he could multitask to keep up with this team.

That GL corp doesn't compare this one.

Originally posted by Newjak


And one shot no because Cain is still way more durable then them all.

By the way I'm getting a little bored with this it has been fun but here are a few question for you guys.

First hasn't Lobo lost his cloning Power?

How many GL rings has Hal made at one time?

When has Flash ever completely amped everyone one up with speed to his level?



Nope but Big Crunch>Champion

YOu are an insufferable tard. The Big Crunch was a plot device. I could go on and on about things that GL's have done that far exceedt he big Cruch. A GL Shielded the Big Bang. Or how about when Diana's Lasso held Hectate, who had Ultimate power? Or what about when Superman saved the Omniverse with his strength alone. Talk about cain being 50 times stronger than anyone. HAHAHA. You are the bore.

Originally posted by Newjak

Nope but Big Crunch>Champion So you got nothing then, and you're admittedly making shit up?

Originally posted by Newjak
And one shot no because Cain is still way more durable then them all.

Combined strength of Superman, Lobo, MM, Diana, an IMP and will power amped strength.

He's either dead or on the other side of the galaxy

Originally posted by Newjak
First hasn't Lobo lost his cloning Power?

But not his HF.

Originally posted by Newjak
When has Flash ever completely amped everyone one up with speed to his level?

Early in JLA he gave Superman enough speed to get beyond a planet's orbit, find a specific woman, beat up the guards, save her and get off the ship before the ZetaBeam hit them. Superman also started after the shot was fired IIRC.

At this time Superman was slower than light.

Originally posted by Newjak

First hasn't Lobo lost his cloning Power?

How many GL rings has Hal made at one time?

When has Flash ever completely amped everyone one up with speed to his level?

Lobo has not lost it. He used it in Our Worlds at War, several years after the Vril Dox episode when he supposedly lost it. However it was never even PROVEN he lost it to begin with, only assumed.

Has shown no limit, therefore won't be placed on it. Hal's ring was goign to be enough remake the entire corp. That's all I need.

Flash has shared his speed before.

Originally posted by Juntai
So you got nothing then, and you're admittedly making shit up? Thor's Hammer has absrobed something that could destroy a Galaxy Surfer has absorbed stuff from Mephisto so yeah I'm really making things up



Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Combined strength of Superman, Lobo, MM, Diana, an IMP and will power amped strength.

He's either dead or on the other side of the galaxy



But not his HF.



Early in JLA he gave Superman enough speed to get beyond a planet's orbit, find a specific woman, beat up the guards, save her and get off the ship before the ZetaBeam hit them. Superman also started after the shot was fired IIRC.

At this time Superman was slower than light. Hulk + Thor+ Hulk+Champions equals greater strength than DC teams

Thor's Hammer plus Power comsic greater than GL ring

Silver Surfer speed added to Power Primodrial equals faster than your guy

Plus my guy has the straight durability advantage without question.

By the way I never said Flash could give speed but I asked where he has ever made someone as fast as himself or where is has given multiple people speed advantages

Originally posted by Newjak
Thor's Hammer has absrobed something that could destroy a Galaxy Surfer has absorbed stuff from Mephisto so yeah I'm really making things up You're making up that the Power Primordial can be taken from one character and applied to another, without proof of such an event even being possible, regardless of Surfer or Thors power.

Originally posted by Juntai
You're making up that the Power Primordial can be taken from one character and applied to another, without proof of such an event even being possible, regardless of Surfer or Thors power.



How Champion continues to feed Silver Surfer all of his power than Silver Surfer passes it unto Cain not a big stretch.

And you can laugh all you want the fact is that your way overplaying everything

Originally posted by Newjak
Thor's Hammer has absrobed something that could destroy a Galaxy Surfer has absorbed stuff from Mephisto so yeah I'm really making things up



Hulk + Thor+ Hulk+Champions equals greater strength than DC teams

Thor's Hammer plus Power comsic greater than GL ring

Silver Surfer speed added to Power Primodrial equals faster than your guy

Plus my guy has the straight durability advantage without question.

By the way I never said Flash could give speed but I asked where he has ever made someone as fast as himself or where is has given multiple people speed advantages

You are an idiot. Surfer absorbed blast sure. But when has he absorbed power from one being and given it to another? When has Thor's hammer absorbed something? I thought he deflected that galaxy blast. Thor's hammer sure as hell hasn't taken power from one being and given it to another. TARDO. And when did you think that that lil equation of yours was accurate? Superman is stronger than Hulk and Thor on his own. HELL Wonder Woman has strength feats that surpass Thor's. As does MM. And LOBO has beaten Supers enough times to know that he is Superman's equal or Superior. Get that bs out of here. And There is no durability advantage here. WW's Shield is far and away superior to juggs invulnerablity. And Juggs is highly weak to a combined psy blast from MM and WW's Lasso willing him into a coma.

Originally posted by Newjak
Hulk + Thor+ Hulk+Champions equals greater strength than DC teams

Execpt that Hulk is his biggest strength power there and he'll only have a chance to enjoy the base level.

Originally posted by Newjak
Thor's Hammer plus Power comsic greater than GL ring

How about 5 GL rings + magic + TP + TK + T-Vo

Originally posted by Newjak
Silver Surfer speed added to Power Primodrial equals faster than your guy

Because we all know Champ's PP makes him so fast.

Originally posted by Newjak
Plus my guy has the straight durability advantage without question.

Shapeshifting, HF, another HF, magic bracelets, SpeedForceAura, Kryptonian BioAura, GL shield

Originally posted by Newjak
By the way I never said Flash could give speed but I asked where he has ever made someone as fast as himself or where is has given multiple people speed advantages

He moved, fought and searched at FTL speeds. So yeah gave you that.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You are an idiot. Surfer absorbed blast sure. But when has he absorbed power from one being and given it to another? When has Thor's hammer absorbed something? I thought he deflected that galaxy blast. Thor's hammer sure as hell hasn't taken power from one being and given it to another. TARDO. And when did you think that that lil equation of yours was accurate? Superman is stronger than Hulk and Thor on his own. HELL Wonder Woman has strength feats that surpass Thor's. As does MM. And LOBO has beaten Supers enough times to know that he is Superman's equal or Superior. Get that bs out of here. And There is no durability advantage here. WW's Shield is far and away superior to juggs invulnerablity. And Juggs is highly weak to a combined psy blast from MM and WW's Lasso willing him into a coma. Insults again man you people sure can not do anything better

And Cain+Thor=Superman+Wonderwoman

Plus you have to add the fact that Hulk's strength is unlimited

You think that Thor's hammer can not absorb energy

And Cain normally is weak to TP yes but with Thor and Surfer's power not so much anymore

One more thing. Since when does flash even need to give anyone on his team speed? They all can move at light speed or faster on thier own anyway. Except Lobo. But Lobo as FTL reflexes and his bike.

Originally posted by Newjak
How Champion continues to feed Silver Surfer all of his power than Silver Surfer passes it unto Cain not a big stretch.

And you can laugh all you want the fact is that your way overplaying everything
Clearly, I'm the one overplaying, when you think one character is going to out-multi-task so many, who have every ability neccisary among them, and the sheer numbers, to put down one single guy. ALthough he might be more powerful than any of them indivually, they can drain multiples of his sources at once, while rocking him with attacks to keep his attention, noting Cain is a hothead anyways and would EASILY lose focus.

Show me Champion using the power primordial in such a way, then. All I ever do is see the guy bullrush people and get his ass beat.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
One more thing. Since when does flash even need to give anyone on his team speed? They all can move at light speed or faster on thier own anyway. Except Lobo. But Lobo as FTL reflexes and his bike. Lobo does have superspeed too, just not at the level of everyone else.

Extending the speedforce aura makes them all have uncomparable speed, that couldn't be taken from them..

Originally posted by Newjak
Insults again man you people sure can not do anything better

And Cain+Thor=Superman+Wonderwoman

Plus you have to add the fact that Hulk's strength is unlimited

You think that Thor's hammer can not absorb energy

And Cain normally is weak to TP yes but with Thor and Surfer's power not so much anymore

Cain has NEVER been anywhere near as strong as Superman or WonderWoman. And Thor has No strength feat in his arsenal to compare to the things WW and Supers and MM have done. Hulk's strength is limited by his rage and time. He won't have enough time or rage to fight Super Fast planet moving punches. Or Green Lantern leeching his gamma radiation and turning him into banner. Cain is going to be told to sit down by WW's magic lasso and there is no one in creation except lobo, who can resist it. You my sir are outdone.

I honestly don't see how Marvel can win any scenario other than the 4th when literally HALF of the Marvel team is dead weight.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Execpt that Hulk is his biggest strength power there and he'll only have a chance to enjoy the base level.



How about 5 GL rings + magic + TP + TK + T-Vo



Because we all know Champ's PP makes him so fast.



Shapeshifting, HF, another HF, magic bracelets, SpeedForceAura, Kryptonian BioAura, GL shield



He moved, fought and searched at FTL speeds. So yeah gave you that. WRONG Cain+Thor is far greater than Hulk's base and he would more than have a chance to use it.

Let's see PP+Hammer+TP+TK+Crimson Gem+PC

And the PP allows to amp other abilties especially Champ's power. So yes it will make him faster

Phasing+Thor Shield's+Thor's Hammer+Cain's shield+Cain' Durability+ Hulk's Durability+Champ's Durability+Hulk's HF+Cain's HF+Silver Surfer Durability+ Surfer Shield's I think I've shown my point

Originally posted by StyleTime
I honestly don't see how Marvel can win any scenario other than the 4th when literally HALF of the Marvel is dead weight. Thanks, I agree.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I honestly don't see how Marvel can win any scenario other than the 4th when literally HALF of the Marvel team is dead weight.

Because Newjak has lost it

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Cain has NEVER been anywhere near as strong as Superman or WonderWoman. And Thor has No strength feat in his arsenal to compare to the things WW and Supers and MM have done. Hulk's strength is limited by his rage and time. He won't have enough time or rage to fight Super Fast planet moving punches. Or Green Lantern leeching his gamma radiation and turning him into banner. Cain is going to be told to sit down by WW's magic lasso and there is no one in creation except lobo, who can resist it. You my sir are outdone. Midgard Serpent and Cain has been stated to be just as strong as Thor and Hulk's rage can come quickly

And I think you are forgetting something that they could leech al lthat power except that Thor's Hammer Plus PC is better than a GL ring

Originally posted by Newjak
WRONG Cain+Thor is far greater than Hulk's base and he would more than have a chance to use it.

Let's see PP+Hammer+TP+TK+Crimson Gem+PC

And the PP allows to amp other abilties especially Champ's power. So yes it will make him faster

Phasing+Thor Shield's+Thor's Hammer+Cain's shield+Cain' Durability+ Hulk's Durability+Champ's Durability+Hulk's HF+Cain's HF+Silver Surfer Durability+ Surfer Shield's I think I've shown my point No, you haven't shown much but idiocy, sorry.

Originally posted by Newjak
WRONG Cain+Thor is far greater than Hulk's base and he would more than have a chance to use it.

Let's see PP+Hammer+TP+TK+Crimson Gem+PC

And the PP allows to amp other abilties especially Champ's power. So yes it will make him faster

Phasing+Thor Shield's+Thor's Hammer+Cain's shield+Cain' Durability+ Hulk's Durability+Champ's Durability+Hulk's HF+Cain's HF+Silver Surfer Durability+ Surfer Shield's I think I've shown my point

You have shown that you don't know how to debate. You have created a bunch of senarios to basically make up a new character of your own over active imagination. Of course anyone of us could say that the JLA with prep just brings in Amazo 27 for the win.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Because Newjak has lost it Why I said this

DC
Marvel
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I just think that prep and their combined powers are better than DC's

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Because Newjak has lost it I agree.

Originally posted by Juntai
No, you haven't shown much but idiocy, sorry. How exactly I'm not the one trying to say

Green Lantern Ring> Power Cosmic + Thor's Hammer

Originally posted by Newjak


I just think that prep and their combined powers are better than DC's

You're nuts

And sure they have a shot at winning if they use your plan but frankly so many of the people on that team are idiots that it won't be much help.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You're nuts

And sure they have a shot at winning if they use your plan but frankly so many of the people on that team are idiots that it won't be much help. They only need two that aren't that is Silver Surfer and Thor everyone else can be brain dead it doesn't matter power meshing for the win with scenario b)

Originally posted by Newjak
How exactly I'm not the one trying to say

Green Lantern Ring> Power Cosmic + Thor's Hammer I never said that. Don't put words in my mouth son.

I said, Lobo replicating during prep time, and GL replicating rings for all of them, can outmultask him and drain away his power, while others rock him with attacks and make him lose his head. No concentration, no Hammer or Cosmic power in use for Cain. He gets the PC and Power Primordial, and eventually the Hammer, and Cain falls. They can coordinate and multitask FAR better.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Because Newjak has lost it
Oh.


Well, I don't see the point in insulting Newjack, but I will point out that I think he forgets that the dead weight isn't just dead weight because of their powers. Half of the Marvel crew is also a bunch of idiots.

Originally posted by Juntai
I never said that.

I said, Lobo replicating during prep time, and GL replicating rings for all of them, can outmultask him and drain away his power, while others rock him with attacks and make him lose his head. No concentration, no Hammer or Cosmic power in use for Cain. He gets the PC and Power Primordial, and eventually the Hammer, and Cain falls. They can coordinate and multitask FAR better. At least you have the beginign to get it.

Now follow with me PP amps PC so that he is > than the GL Rings.

It doesn't matter how many you have the fact remains that never before has it been shown so many rings working together actually accomplishes more than one. Just look at Doomsday and Superboy Prime the numbers didn't help because the power level was just so great.

The same thing applies here Magic Absorbtion + PC absorption amped by PP is going to absorb GL rings easier than Gl Rings will absorb the other.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Oh.


Well, I don't see the point in insulting Newjack, but I will point out that I think he forgets that the dead weight isn't just dead weight because of their powers. Half of the Marvel crew is also a bunch of idiots.

I'm not insulting him. I'm just prodding him to see if I can make him snap.

Although I do think he's wrong.

Woops. That wasn't really aimed at you. That was more directed at the fact that "idiot" was being thrown around.

Originally posted by Newjak
At least you have the beginign to get it.

Now follow with me PP amps PC so that he is > than the GL Rings. Now follow me.. you can't prove that stacks like that. You haven't even proved its possible for the Power Primordial to even leave Champion's form.

Actually they do, and it has been proven. Take for example when Sinestro and Hal were about to fight in Emerald Twilight, and Sinestro mentions how his own ring couldn't compete with Hal's dozens. Or again in Green Lantern Corp mini that opened up the current new series. Or any other number of times they've done it.

Doesn't change what they are capable of. What I'm describing is perfectly within their parameters. I can't help it if you can't come up with anything logical to debate against it.

No, Cain will be unfocused, he is one against many, who are coordinating together on a mental level. Each attacking different aspects of his power to take them, and others attack directly to distract him.

It's all simple. Martian Manhunter and GL Merge Superman, WW, and LOBO into one being. Then the Merged being puts on the guantlets of atlas AND the shields of aegis. Thus making it 80 times stronger than Superman. 4 Times thier strength Multiplied by 20. They now are amped in speed by flash, and have an indestructible aegis Shield plus Manhunter's shapechanging healing ability. And Superman's bio aura and lobo's healing and cloning. Hal Makes the Merged being a ring and they open a can of whoop as on Supercain. You see how it easy it is to contrive a rediculous theory. And this one is more feasible becuz it's been shown that Manhunter can merge with beings and the ring can alter DNA.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'm not insulting him. I'm just prodding him to see if I can make him snap.

Although I do think he's wrong. I am unbreakable

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's all simple. Martian Manhunter and GL Merge Superman, WW, and LOBO into one being. Then the Merged being puts on the guantlets of atlas AND the shields of aegis. Thus making it 80 times stronger than Superman. 4 Times thier strength Multiplied by 20. They now are amped in speed by flash, and have an indestructible aegis Shield plus Manhunter's shapechanging healing ability. And Superman's bio aura and lobo's healing and cloning. Hal Makes the Merged being a ring and they open a can of whoop as on Supercain. You see how it easy it is to contrive a rediculous theory. And this one is more feasible becuz it's been shown that Manhunter can merge with beings and the ring can alter DNA.

Originally posted by Juntai
Now follow me.. you can't prove that stacks like that. You haven't even proved its possible for the Power Primordial to even leave Champion's form.

Actually they do, and it has been proven. Take for example when Sinestro and Hal were about to fight in Emerald Twilight, and Sinestro mentions how his own ring couldn't compete with Hal's dozens. Or again in Green Lantern Corp mini that opened up the current new series. Or any other number of times they've done it.

Doesn't change what they are capable of. What I'm describing is perfectly within their parameters. I can't help it if you can't come up with anything logical to debate against it.

No, Cain will be unfocused, he is one against many, who are coordinating together on a mental level. Each attacking different aspects of his power to take them, and others attack directly to distract him. Why not Champ continuously gives Surfer his power and SS tranfers it. Both of which SS has shown before the ability to absorb and transfer.

Yes but did it really make Hal that much stronger than Sinestro no it didn't

And what I'm saying perfectly capable as well. SuperJuggernaut is a better energy manipulator then the GL rings and he would more than likely drain them then the other way around since it has been shown GL rings can be messed with

Originally posted by Newjak Why not Champ continuously gives Surfer his power and SS tranfers it. Both of which SS has shown before the ability to absorb and transfer. Cool, now when did Champion show the capacity to do this.

Yes it did, and he knew it, that's why he took them off and fought with only ring, instead of many.. And there's also all the times GL's have used their rings to perform the same task as proof, such as in the GL mini, and several other times. More rings, more power. Period.

If those energies can be given to Cain, they can be taken away in the same manner. The truth is, he can't outmultitask them. While he's taking a frontal assault. Other groups working together are draining him of his various energies. I don't think he can multitask like that against characters moving and thinking in unison at faster than light speeds. You thinking he's going to counter tons of characters energy draining differen't specific aspects of him, WHILE fighting off a frontal assault, WHILE draining GL's, all of whom are moving and thinking in such a manner is rediculous.

Originally posted by Newjak
Why not Champ continuously gives Surfer his power and SS tranfers it. Both of which SS has shown before the ability to absorb and transfer.

Yes but did it really make Hal that much stronger than Sinestro no it didn't

And what I'm saying perfectly capable as well. SuperJuggernaut is a better energy manipulator then the GL rings and he would more than likely drain them then the other way around since it has been shown GL rings can be messed with

Surfer has been drained before. And the Hammer can easily be taken from cain. Since the power of Thor isn't actually part of cain. And no amount of power cain recieves is going to make him be able to stand up to the Lasso.

Originally posted by Newjak
Since when have Flash and Wonder Woman been geniuses

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Flash and WW are much better at prep than you're giving credit for.


Originally posted by Newjak
The fact is Thor and Silver Surfer both had or have Time Manip abilities as well and SS can share is power cosmic with other people. Thor and SS prep> The other team combined. There is no doubt about it. And yes Cain is more of a resource then you think.

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Thor and SS are NOT pulling this off. Add in a GL ring, and it's pretty much a wrap.

Originally posted by Newjak
If you want to know the truth SS gives him 65% of his Power Cosmic. Thor gives him his hammer and Champion gives him some of the power Primordial. Cain has literally just become> Then DC combined

This is so ridiculous that it's laughable... power pooling is nothing new...but the chances of what you are suggesting even having a hell of a chance of happening or even WORKING are slim to none.

Originally posted by Juntai
If those energies can be given to Cain, they can be taken away in the same manner. The truth is, he can't outmultitask them. While he's taking a frontal assault. Other groups working together are draining him of his various energies. I don't think he can multitask like that against characters moving and thinking in unison at faster than light speeds. You thinking he's going to counter tons of characters energy draining differen't specific aspects of him, WHILE fighting off a frontal assault, WHILE draining GL's, all of whom are moving and thinking in such a manner is rediculous. Yes he can and they may be numerous but what is preventing the first how many ever from being drained by SuperJuggernaut who now is a far better energy manipulator then any of the GL DC has produced

And he is faster than Light now as well with Surfer's knowlede and abilities backed by the PP.

And yes Champ can control his PP he has turned it completely off once for his fight with She-Hulk

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
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Flash and WW are much better at prep than you're giving credit for.




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Thor and SS are NOT pulling this off. Add in a GL ring, and it's pretty much a wrap.



This is so ridiculous that it's laughable... power pooling is nothing new...but the chances of what you are suggesting even having a hell of a chance of happening or even WORKING are slim to none. First you messed up with your links

Secondly I never said that they are not smart or they he can not help with prep but they are not Geniuses on the level of Batman or Even Superman or Hal

Actually it is quite capable of happening and your a few pages off

Originally posted by Newjak
Yes he can and they may be numerous but what is preventing the first how many ever from being drained by SuperJuggernaut who now is a far better energy manipulator then any of the GL DC has produced

And he is faster than Light now as well with Surfer's knowlede and abilities backed by the PP.

And yes Champ can control his PP he has turned it completely off once for his fight with She-Hulk For the fight with She Hulk, he took off the power gem. Show me Champion doing an energy dump at a target and I might take it seriously.


And he might be a better manipulator, but not while being attacked from different angles to specific aspects, his mind won't be able to multitask as such, and certainly not higher than literally hundreds of them.