lucifer morningstar vs the Living Tribunal

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hush
lucifer morningstar vs the Living Tribunal blood lust on who wens and how..?

guy222
Originally posted by hush
lucifer morningstar vs the Living Tribunal blood lust on who wens and how..?

LT

Hopefully this doesn't turn into a barrage of insults.

Mider999
Lucifer Morningstar is above the spectre and thus above LT

Goddess Kali
Originally posted by Mider999
Lucifer Morningstar is above the spectre and thus above LT


I disagree. Under what basis does Lucifer Morningstar being more versatile than Spectre make him greater than LT ?

Remember these facts Mider:


1) Lucifer created a universe/multiverse: by shaping Micheal's power to create from nothing. Lucifer is the will of Yahweh, not the raw power of Yahweh like Micheal is.



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2) Spectre's power level varies, your yourself admitted this. When Lucifer told Spectre to go away, Spectre was using his brains...remember, he is half human, half God. The human side of him would fall victim to Lucifer Morningstar's intelligence and he knew it.

It's not simply because Lucifer is stronger...Lucifer has not proven to be any greater than Spectre in terms of being unlimitted in raw power. ONLY in terms of cunning and intelligence.


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3) Living Tribunal's power does not vary. It's absolute. Also, unlike Spectre, LT does not waste his time on worldly affairs. LT only gets involved with multiversal threats, while Spectre gets manipulated by mortal women like Eclipso.




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4) Lucifer has been through frustration and near defeat by beings far weaker than Spectre.



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5) The blast which was caused by Micheal's death at Lucifer's hands was equal to the vastness of a multiverse. That is what the Ultamate Nullifier basically is.

The Ultamate Nullfier cant do jack to LT. The Infinity Gauntlet is far more powerful than the UN, yet LT is far above the IG.


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6) Lucifer created a "multi eternity".....or atleast Vertigo's equivalent to Marvel's multi-eternity. Living Tribunal is far more powerful than multi eternity and his kin.



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7) The only official defeat LT has ever endured was defeat at the hands of Thanos with HOTU. The Guardians of the Galaxy/Korvac crap you keep brining up was already proven TOTAL PIS by Mr. Master, and the rest of the Marvel experts here on KMC.

Besides, it is against KMC rules to incorperate PIS into an argument for any means.


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And please do not answer my argument with a bunch of Living Tribunal sucks stuff ok ? erm


If you aim to prove me wrong, then attack my individual points and prove me wrong. Otherwise, don't argue.

Thanos_THOTU
Living Tribunal = Spectre as much as Mxyxptlk = Impossible man.

Marvel and DC arent canon thus not valid ...

Goddess Kali
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Living Tribunal = Spectre as much as Mxyxptlk = Impossible man.

Marvel and DC arent canon thus not valid ...


Who are you disagreeing with ?

Mider999
umm spectre and LT are equals thanks..........who are you to say they arent. and Lucifer is above spectre not more versitile, he's only below his creator and equal to his brother, though its not thought of as canon, spectre has made apperances in the sandman comics and lucifer comics has he not, and hasnt he been shown to be weaker then lucifer

Thanos_THOTU
Originally posted by Mider999
umm spectre and LT are equals thanks..........who are you to say they arent. and Lucifer is above spectre not more versitile, he's only below his creator and equal to his brother, though its not thought of as canon, spectre has made apperances in the sandman comics and lucifer comics has he not, and hasnt he been shown to be weaker then lucifer
Was you arguement for the Living Tribunal equaling the Spectre "who are you to say they arent"

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Mider999
what you talking about.........the spectre is equal to the LT

rougeredmage
but surely if we take neil gaimans book of magic as cannon doesnt it show lucifer morningstar and the the spectre as being equalls during the creation of the universe? ie they are both archangels ? or has that been retconed or something

Mider999
even in the real world there are diffrent classes of angels friend

an archanel is higher then all the others to my knowledge there only 7 of them

and other angels have four faces.

if they where both equals why was it stated in a sandman comic that lucifer is above spectre and hasnt spectre been told off by lucifer.

doomsday49
Lucifer. Because he's HIS Son!!

guy222
Originally posted by doomsday49
Lucifer. Because he's HIS Son!!

LT

leonheartmm
lucifer, he has the same power level as micheal. FACT.

elaine ALONE, created a third multiverse outside of yahweh's. she was using micheal's demiurgic power. even if u say that it was MICHEAL'S POWER WHICH CREATED THE MULTIVERSE, THEN LUCIFER HAS THE SAME POWER TO CREATE A MUTIVERSE. on the other hand, lucifer can create multiple multiverses without breaking a sweat. he exists outside creation and the power of the endless. the spectre is no match for him, as he was initially one of the angels that fell in his rebellion. to REDEAM himself he served as the wrath of the voice. he is under lucifer in all things and it is ridiculous to try and compare spectre to lucifer.

marvel varies INTENSELY in power levels. specially high up ones. u cant simply make the argument LT>infinity gauntlett{VERY debateable } >the multiverse as it destroyed it therefore LT>multiverse. or that ultimate nullifier>multiverse and it SUPPOSEDLY cant do anything to LT therefore LT is greater than the multiverse. thas not true. LT is the PROTECTOR of the multiverse, he is below things like MULTI ETERNITY etc. he was destroyed when thanos used THOTU to destroy the multiverse. he is a GUARD of the multiverse and has only destroyed UNIVERSES. he isnt on multievrsal power level. that is th true power level of LT, not done in by illogica extrapolation from hypthetical scenarios and comparisons. LT has his low level feats too. lucifer on the other hand is clearly above multiversal power level, multiverses are nothing to him, neither are the endless, nor is the spectre. he is truly on an or beyond{depending on how much yu hype the competition} the omniversal power level as terms like the omniverse are often throuwn around in marvel too much. NO LT, IG, HOTU, ULTIMATE NULLIFIER or abstract is taking him down. heck YAHWEH, hasnt taken him down yet. the very presemnce has failed. and he is the HEIR and most worthy one too{words of the presence} of the throne of the presence/voice/yahweh.

doomsday49
Originally posted by Mider999
even in the real world there are diffrent classes of angels friend

an archanel is higher then all the others to my knowledge there only 7 of them

and other angels have four faces.

if they where both equals why was it stated in a sandman comic that lucifer is above spectre and hasnt spectre been told off by lucifer.

Wait a minute, i thought the Seraphim were the highest order of Angels. Archangels are one of the lowest. If we were to apply biblical theology to comic, i'd say Archangels would be like the celestials and chaos, order etc. But i don't like mixing religion with this sh*t, so..lol!!

doomsday49
Originally posted by guy222
LT

Says the guy with the tribunal avatar...lmfao!!

guy222
Originally posted by doomsday49
Says the guy with the tribunal avatar...lmfao!!

Living Tribunal wins

doomsday49
tribunal get smack for back talking....

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