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Both at level 100, and their stats are at peak-condition.

Who wins?

Hitmonchan, as a boxer, is tough. he would take one or two kicks from Hitmonlee to get in close and hit him with hundreds of punches very quickly. Hitmonchans pokedex entry says he punches so fast that it looks like he is not doing anything. That takes a punchingspeed near lightspeed. Hitmonlee may be tough, but 10 punches should be enough to knock him out, and hundreds of Hitmanchans is overkill. But Hitmonlee could play it smart with some Ninja maneuvers. Like poisoning Hitmonchan.


Hitmonchan 6.5/10

Are these just wild Pokemon or do they have trainer?

My guess would be whoever had the better trainer.

My guess is that they're the ones the fighting gym trainer had in Blue and Red, except this time they had much more training.

If so, they draw.

Originally posted by Xenogears
My guess is that they're the ones the fighting gym trainer had in Blue and Red, except this time they had much more training.

If so, they draw.

i think boxers are all-around better fighters than ninjas. More brute force, and in Hitmonchans case, speed. Hitmonlee shold not be too much of a challenge

In real life, boxing is a "top tier" style. Neo2000, you have to remember that this is a video game. In video games, any style can win. Actually, it's usually the ones that prove ineffective in real life that work the best in video games.

I agree with Xenogears. It's a draw unless trainers are involved.

Boxing top tier, I would love someone to only use boxing in a Street Fight.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Actually, it's usually the ones that prove ineffective in real life that work the best in video games.



SYSTEMA. . .

Boxing IS top-tier.

And these Pokemons trains by themself, they can fight wel even without trainers. Hitmonlee may kick harder than Hitmonchan punches, but remember, Hitmonchan can land hundreds of punches a sec. He needs to take one punch, get close, and punch the shit out of Hitmonlee. Should be simple logic.

Through if Hitmonlee made some smart combinations of Double Team, Toxic and Mirror Move, he could stand a good chance, through this technique only would work with a trainer.

Actually, Hitmonlees moves reminds me ore of Tae Kwon Do than ninjitsu

Originally posted by Neo2000
Boxing IS top-tier.



I take it you've never been in a Street Fight?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I take it you've never been in a Street Fight?

I have...? And i stick to my hands, not my feet.
I am a boxer, by the way.

When I say top tier, I don't mean boxing is the be all end all of fighting. However, a boxer will typically defeat an untrained opponent of similar stature. I've seen this personally. If you don't believe me, stop by your local boxing gym and ask them for proof.

Now when you throw in opponents with skill in some other art or a massive size advantage in a street fight, THEN the tables may turn.

Boxing is definitely top tier though. Virtually all pro-fighters crosstrain boxing to some extent.

Also, LMAO at SYSTEMA!!!!!

Originally posted by StyleTime
When I say top tier, I don't mean boxing is the be all end all of fighting. However, a boxer will typically defeat an untrained opponent of similar stature. I've seen this personally. If you don't believe me, stop by your local boxing gym and ask them for proof.

Now when you throw in opponents with skill in some other art or a massive size advantage in a street fight, THEN the tables may turn.

Usually, karatekas or tae kwon dokas are slim in real fights, mostly because their used to respectful matches with pauses after each point and not knockout rounds, while boxers takes punishment all the time and generally builds up a stronger body. Karatekas just cant keep up for real if they dont have any experience. Talking about experience, i know that from own experience, has fought a redbelt karateka and won. And again, i am boxer. I took one kick, he was out of balance, i punches him twice in the face. The fight was over. He couldnt take the damage.

Originally posted by Neo2000
I have...? And i stick to my hands, not my feet.
I am a boxer, by the way.

I do ametuer boxing myself, I just have a hard time believeing that a style that: Doesn't gaurd your legs, only uses hands, no ground fighting, No weapon fighting and blocking rely's on using your body like a tank can help you against multiple opponents with possible weapons. . . That's really un realistic.


Originally posted by StyleTime
When I say top tier, I don't mean boxing is the be all end all of fighting. However, a boxer will typically defeat an untrained opponent of similar stature. I've seen this personally. If you don't believe me, stop by your local boxing gym and ask them for proof.


That wasn't my point though. Sure, in a one on one fight against some scrub a boxer has the advantage. But, do you honestly believe in a real Street Fighting or Competitve fighting situation that a boxer will dominate?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I do ametuer boxing myself, I just have a hard time believeing that a style that: Doesn't gaurd your legs, only uses hands, no ground fighting, No weapon fighting and blocking rely's on using your body like a tank can help you against multiple opponents with possible weapons. . . That's really un realistic.

That's true. Boxing is not effective against multiple opponents. Through one-at-one, it hangs up there with Muay Thai as the best martial art style.

Originally posted by Neo2000
That's true. Boxing is not effective against multiple opponents. Through one-at-one, it hangs up there with Muay Thai as the best martial art style.

Right, which is why we see so many Boxing purist in MMA?
Your exaggerating, I like boxing because I love using my hands when I fight. Though, as a fighting art it's not practical for Street Fighting or MMA. Also, there is no such thing as a best style.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Right, which is why we see so many Boxing purist in MMA?
Your exaggerating, I like boxing because I love using my hands when I fight. Though, as a fighting art it's not practical for Street Fighting or MMA. Also, there is no such thing as a best style.

All the best cross-trainboxing because punches is the most important attacks in a fight, and in boxing, you learn finer punches than in any other sport.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
That wasn't my point though. Sure, in a one on one fight against some scrub a boxer has the advantage. But, do you honestly believe in a real Street Fighting or Competitve fighting situation that a boxer will dominate?
No, obviously pure boxing won't cut it in a no holds barred situation.
Originally posted by Neo2000
Usually, karatekas or tae kwon dokas are slim in real fights, mostly because their used to respectful matches with pauses after each point and not knockout rounds, while boxers takes punishment all the time and generally builds up a stronger body. Karatekas just cant keep up for real if they dont have any experience. Talking about experience, i know that from own experience, has fought a redbelt karateka and won. And again, i am boxer. I took one kick, he was out of balance, i punches him twice in the face. The fight was over. He couldnt take the damage.
Most "krotty" places are bullshit. There are a select few who get good training and know what they're doing though. I guarantee that few, if ANY, pure boxers could have defeated Andy Hug when he was alive. I doubt any boxers could take Glaube Feitosa or Francisco Filho now. Don't forget Bill Wallace from the 60's either.
Originally posted by Neo2000
That's true. Boxing is not effective against multiple opponents. Through one-at-one, it hangs up there with Muay Thai as the best martial art style.
Boxing and Muay Thai are "top tier". There are various others that can compete with them.

Originally posted by Neo2000
All the best cross-trainboxing because punches is the most important attacks in a fight, and in boxing, you learn finer punches than in any other sport.

Keyword, Sport, sure Boxing helps you develop a good punch, But if you honestly believe that a good punch is all you need in a fight. I suggest you give up fighting now.


Originally posted by StyleTime


Most "krotty" places are bullshit. There are a select few who get good training and know what they're doing though. I guarantee that few, if ANY, pure boxers could have defeated Andy Hug when he was alive. I doubt any boxers could take Glaube Feitosa or Francisco Filho now. Don't forget Bill Wallace from the 60's either.

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Or Mas Oyama, hence why Kyokushin Karate is the best form of Karate.

I also doubt a Boxing purist can defeat Sakabura.

Yeah, its true only a few boxers have control of what theyre doing, but those who have control, they are dangerous.

I never gets hitted. When boxing, i am normally hitted 5 times through a whole six round fight, and deals around 40 punches myself each round.

Originally posted by Neo2000
I took one kick, he was out of balance .

Kicks>Punches in terms of power, the problem is that kicks are supposed to be used as a long range means of fighting. Many people end up trying to use High or Mid kicks during a fight which is dumb.

Fact is your legs are three times more powerful then your hands. A good roundhouse kick can break your arm if you try to block it.

The problem with MA is that they have limited scope, they believe they can use one type of fighting principle for every type of situation.

Take Wing Chun, in a close range bout with limited footwork and tight arm space he has the advantage. Reason why is because chunners learn to punch using their elbows as leverage with a rooted stance. It's called a chain punch, and it's really complicated to use effectively ( You have to root yourself correctly and have solid hands). Compared to a boxer who uses his shoulder to punch, a chunners punch is weak. Not to mention useless on the ground, But in this situation it's perfect because wing chun works best at a trapping distance. Now in a wide open area versus multiple opponents or even one opponent with good long range attacks would you use Wing Chun only?

Kicks are harder and have a better reach.

Punches are faster and easier to pull off, ands you dont make as big openings as kicking does.

Originally posted by Neo2000
Kicks are harder and have a better reach.

Punches are faster and easier to pull off, ands you dont make as big openings as kicking does.

100% true.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
100% true.

If you keeps pushing forwards and actually know how to punch, which many boxers don't, kickers won't stand much of a chance.

Originally posted by Neo2000
If you keeps pushing forwards and actually know how to punch, which many boxers don't, kickers won't stand much of a chance.

I partly agree, but you seem to be convinced that boxing is top tier in the fighting world.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I partly agree, but you seem to be convinced that boxing is top tier in the fighting world.

In a streetfight, if you stick to boxingrules, you should have problems.
However, a karateka who punches you down streetfighterstyle does not follow karaterules, neither.
Thats a factor a lot of people forgets.

Originally posted by Neo2000
In a streetfight, if you stick to boxingrules, you should have problems.
However, a karateka who punches you down streetfighterstyle does not follow karaterules, neither.
Thats a factor a lot of people forgets.

There are no rules in fighting which is my point, you cannot have the same mentality in a boxing match as you do in a Street Fight.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
There are no rules in fighting which is my point, you cannot have the same mentality in a boxing match as you do in a Street Fight.
Thats true. I sticks to the boxingstance and boxing punches in a streetfight, but i am in a more... "careful" mood, while still going for the defensive. Hard to explain. You just have to remember that there is no judge to stop the fight now.

Originally posted by Neo2000
Thats true. I sticks to the boxingstance and boxing punches in a streetfight, but i am in a more... "careful" mood, while still going for the defensive. Hard to explain. You just have to remember that there is no judge to stop the fight now.

not to emntion that you can die, I'm currently intrested in learning Hung Gar and Jujutsu.

If you gets in a floorfight, Junjutsu is VERY effective.

And by no judge to ring the bell, thats what i meant

Originally posted by Neo2000
If you gets in a floorfight, Junjutsu is VERY effective.

And by no judge to ring the bell, thats what i meant http://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/05/o_wiily_owl.jpg

hitmontop is better than the both of them

Originally posted by Neo2000
Hitmonchan, as a boxer, is tough. he would take one or two kicks from Hitmonlee to get in close and hit him with hundreds of punches very quickly. Hitmonchans pokedex entry says he punches so fast that it looks like he is not doing anything. That takes a punchingspeed near lightspeed. Hitmonlee may be tough, but 10 punches should be enough to knock him out, and hundreds of Hitmanchans is overkill. But Hitmonlee could play it smart with some Ninja maneuvers. Like poisoning Hitmonchan.


Hitmonchan 6.5/10

And Hitmonlee's entry says "When kicking the sole of its foot turns as hard as a diamond on impact it destroys its enemy." And it says for Hitmonchan that it needs a break after three minutes of fighting.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
And Hitmonlee\'s entry says \"When kicking the sole of its foot turns as hard as a diamond on impact it destroys its enemy.\" And it says for Hitmonchan that it needs a break after three minutes of fighting.

So, basically, Hitmonchan is IMMENSELY fast because he can punch at light speed, and Hitmonlee is extremely damagedealing, because he can kick with diamondforce?

And since Hitmonchan can punch at lightspeed, he must have good selfcontrol. Its possible he can dodge he kcik and get close.

Also, Hitmonchan should hit before Hitmonlee get the kick done.

The legs freely contract and stretch. The stretchy legs allow it to hit a distant foe with a rising kick. Hitmonlee will be very capable of taking down Hitmonchan. And because Hitmonchan can punch fast that doesn't mean he can move fast.

Hitmonlee will win I think because of superior running speed and power. And as for boxing being the best style is crap. I'm not putting down boxing, but a good grappler of kicker could take a one down and vice versa. I think you should combine hands, feet, and grapples in a streetfight.

P.S. To anyone who considers Butterbean a boxer, **** YOU!

Anyways, Hitmonlees kicks will be a nonfactor...

WHy? Because before he has pulled one off, Hitmonchan has already landed 10 lightspeedpunches at him, ad that is too much for Hitmonlee

I figured you all might appreciate these.

Boxing > average schmoes.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6iDlzL7zrNU

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_T3X8hESLuA

MMA> Purist

Originally posted by StyleTime
I figured you all might appreciate these.

Boxing > average schmoes.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6iDlzL7zrNU

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_T3X8hESLuA Look dude, DUH! Someone with training in boxing will of course almost always be able to beat someone with no training at all.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
MMA> Purist
True.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Look dude, DUH! Someone with training in boxing will of course almost always be able to beat someone with no training at all.
Ok, calm down my friend. That was mostly in jest. You can't deny that it's still highly entertaining seeing random jerks get messed up.

Edit

Hey, Styletime what's your beef with Bruce Lee?

Bruce Lee = Likes to eat beef

ermm

Butterbean is not a boxer, he is in fact a fat @$$H0LE who just swings his short stubby arms at guys who dont realize that he's fat and slow with 0 stamina. I will never forget the time he was beaten by submission in 46 seconds by a small Asian dude who could have only been 150 pounds. I just really hate him and this thread is already off topic anyway.

LOL

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Butterbean is not a boxer, he is in fact a fat @$$H0LE who just swings his short stubby arms at guys who dont realize that he's fat and slow with 0 stamina. I will never forget the time he was beaten by submission in 46 seconds by a small Asian dude who could have only been 150 pounds. I just really hate him and this thread is already off topic anyway.
Well in his defense, the "small Asian dude" was Genki Sudo. There is absolutely NO shame in loosing to Genki Sudo.

This has nothing to do with it, but Genki is one my favorite fighters of all time. It's too bad he retired though. He wants to be an actor now.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Hey, Styletime what's your beef with Bruce Lee?
It's not really against Bruce. I still respect him as a stunt and movie artist. It's really just the people who overrate him. He's become a real life Wolverine. The majority of Bruce's abilities are blown far out of proportion and people overlook the fact that most of his "fights" never even occurred.

Me and many others already went through it in the General Discussion Forum a long time ago.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Butterbean is not a boxer, he is in fact a fat @$$H0LE who just swings his short stubby arms at guys who dont realize that he's fat and slow with 0 stamina. I will never forget the time he was beaten by submission in 46 seconds by a small Asian dude who could have only been 150 pounds. I just really hate him and this thread is already off topic anyway. Butterbean not a boxer? he has great striking skills, and did you even see Butterbeans submission skills? he just submitted Zuluzinho who is a Vale Tudo (superheavyweight champion apparently) from Brazil.

Butterbean lost to Minowa and Genk Sudo is a submission specialist. The outcome wasn't that surprising. if you follow MMA, you would know.

Damn this topic is still going?

STFU you bitches

lol jk

Boxers are some of the best fighters on the planet. But nowadays it's best to MMA.

Well, Lee cross trained in different arts and was one of the early pioneers of MMA. He even had great Ground game because he cross trained with judo, and what fights never happened?

Yeah that's what I'm talking about. SUPPOSEDLY, he had this grappling experience. I saw his only official fight. His grappling knowledge was limited to basically a front headlock. He only really introduced MMA into mainstream US. Vale Tudo and other similar competetitions existed for years before Lee. The Japanese karateka orginally trained Judo along with their striking. Hell, I remember seeing some reports on ancient Greeks falling into guard during their Pankration matches. Boxing originally also included some grappling and kicks. Lee wasn't really a pioneer of anything excluding kung fu movies.

As for the fights, that's my point. Lee has no fight record. Most anything he did is hearsay.
Originally posted by Healing Artisan
Butterbean not a boxer? he has great striking skills, and did you even see Butterbeans submission skills? he just submitted Zuluzinho who is a Vale Tudo (superheavyweight champion apparently) from Brazil.

Butterbean lost to Minowa and Genk Sudo is a submission specialist. The outcome wasn't that surprising. if you follow MMA, you would know.
Sup man? I didn't know you posted in the video game vs. I agree on Butterbean. He isn't exactly Fedor, but we must give the man his due.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Yeah that's what I'm talking about. SUPPOSEDLY, he had this grappling experience. I saw his only official. His grappling knowledge was limited to basically a front headlock. He only really introduced MMA into US. Bruce trained ground fighting with "Judo" Gene LeBell and said he liked wrestling. Sure, he's no Kimura, but he cross trained in it.


Originally posted by StyleTime

Vale Tudo and other similar competetiions existed for years before Lee. Hell, I remember seeing some reports on ancient Greeks and Romans falling into guard during their Pankration matches. Boxing orginially also included some grappling and kicks. Lee wasn't really a pioneer of anything excluding kung fu movies.

Of Course MMA exsisted before him, but was it mainstream?
Bruce lee was one of the early MMA's that spoke to main stream audience. Sure, he didn't do as much as an impact as say the gracies, but in the world of Chinese Martial Arts he did.

Originally posted by StyleTime

As for the fights, that's my point. Lee has no fight record. Most anything he did is hearsay.

Many fighting records from the past are hearsay.

LMFAOOOOO!!!

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Bruce trained ground fighting with "Judo" Gene LeBell and said he liked wrestling. Sure, he's no Kimura, but he cross trained in it.

Of Course MMA exsisted before him, but was it mainstream?
Bruce lee was one of the early MMA's that spoke to main stream audience. Sure, he didn't do as much as an impact as say the gracies, but in the world of Chinese Martial Arts he did.

Many fighting records from the past are hearsay.
I said he said he supposedly crosstrained in it. He never showed any real skill with it though.

.....so we agree. Even still, mainstream USA didn't really get into MMA until recently. Most people still think UFC is the first MMA organization.

Yes, but we're not talking about someone like Musashi here man. Bruce was around during the 60's and 70's. As you know, that was a boom for martial arts. We have other fighters who proved themselves like Benny Urquidez, Ali, Bill Wallace, Mas Oyama, Joe Lewis, Tadashi Nakamura and various others I don't feel like listing right now. Bruce had plenty of opportunities to show his assumed abilities literally around the world.

I don't blame him personally for not proving anything. He never claimed to be the best fighter. It's his fans who hype him up despite never doing anything outside of movies.

See what I'm saying?

Originally posted by StyleTime
I said he said he supposedly crosstrained in it. He never showed any real skill with it though.

If by Skill you mean he was not notably good in it, then sure. But, back in those days there were only a few people that even took ground fighting seriously. He could still kick a good amount of ass with his ground work.



Originally posted by StyleTime

Yes, but we're not talking about someone like Musashi here man. Bruce was around during the 60's and 70's. As you know, that was a boom for martial arts. We have other fighters who proved themselves like Benny Urquidez, Ali, Bill Wallace, Mas Oyama, Joe Lewis, Tadashi Nakamura and various others I don't feel like listing right now. Bruce had plenty of opportunities to show his assumed abilities literally around the world.
Dude, I never claimed he could compete with likes of Oyama, that's insane.

I was talking about his promotion of MMA, which few people did at the time in the US. Give the man credit, he could ass and was promoting mma in his own way. Ali and Joe lewis were not.


Originally posted by StyleTime

I don't blame him personally for not proving anything. He never claimed to be the best fighter. It's his fans who hype him up despite never doing anything outside of movies.

See what I'm saying?

I never said he was the best fighter, but he was great.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
If by Skill you mean he was not notably good in it, then sure. But, back in those days there were only a few people that even took ground fighting seriously. He could still kick a good amount of ass with his ground work.

Dude, I never claimed he could compete with likes of Oyama, that's insane.

I was talking about his promotion of MMA, which few people did at the time in the US. Give the man credit, he could ass and was promoting mma in his own way. Ali and Joe lewis were not.

I never said he was the best fighter, but he was great.
I'm saying that I saw pretty much his only verified fight Emperor Ashtar. He used his grappling skills against Wong Jackman. Jackman did not train groundwork, yet Bruce looked like a 6 year old and could only use a front headlock. He couldn't really kick much ass with his grappling at all I'm afraid.

I didn't really bring them up to say they kick his ass. I'm just saying that he could have fought anytime he wanted, much like his contemporaries.

I credit him with at least having his head in the right direction, but to say he could kick ass is severely overrating him. No Ali and Joe weren't MMA per se, but they did prove their abilities. Ali even fought under MMA like rulesets and I think Joe wrestled, but don't quote me on that one.

That's the thing. He wasn't even great. He knew what the good theories on fighting were, but he never truly applied them.

*sigh*. I've already been through this so many times in the General Discussion Forum it's tiring lol. I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise if you believe he was great. I'm just pointing out what I saw when I finally got to see his abilities in actual combat.

At least we agree that Oyama stomps him....as well as anyone else on that list.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I'm saying that I saw pretty much his only verified fight Emperor Ashtar. He used his grappling skills against Wong Jackman. Jackman did not train groundwork, yet Bruce looked like a 6 year old and could only use a front headlock. He couldn't really kick much ass with his grappling at all I'm afraid.


I never implied he was a great grappler though.




Originally posted by StyleTime

That's the thing. He wasn't even great. He knew what the good theories on fighting were, but he never truly applied them.


C'mon, so your telling me that despite the fact Jeet Kwan Do is the only Western styled CMA he never applied them?


Originally posted by StyleTime

*sigh*. I've already been through this so many times in the General Discussion Forum it's tiring lol. I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise if you believe he was great. I'm just pointing out what I saw when I finally got to see his abilities in actual combat.
I'm meant great for what he did, he had good martial ability just not on par with people like Oyama.

Butterbean of course has great striking skills, with all that weight to back him up he should, but all anyone has to do to beat him is outlast him and dont let him get close enough. His arms are short and that's a weakness and because he cant stay away from the double bacon cheeseburgers his stamina is sh1t.