My View Overall On How Similiar Atheism And Religion Actually Is..

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BananaKing
In the end Atheism and Religion are both beliefs, Religion is just the belief of a god.

Some Religious people could believe it's right to kill people for their god.
But some Atheists could believe it's right to kill people because it's what they want to do.

Some Atheists would rape because it's what he wants to do.
Some Religious people see it as what their god wants them to do.

etc etc...

The only important difference:
Religion is more about doing things for a god and believing in him/her, for THEM/SOMEBODY ELSE(being them).
Atheism is doing and believing what you want because it's what suits YOU best.

What do you personally see as being more good, self-sacrifice or doing things for your own wants/desires?
In the end it's down to the person holding the gun, not the gun itself...

That is why Jesus died on the cross....

AngryManatee
I wouldn't say that being atheist means being selfish as you seem to imply, and you can't really group atheists into one big catagory like that.

leonheartmm
Originally posted by BananaKing
In the end Atheism and Religion are both beliefs, Religion is just the belief of a god.

Some Religious people could believe it's right to kill people for their god.
But some Atheists could believe it's right to kill people because it's what they want to do.

Some Atheists would rape because it's what he wants to do.
Some Religious people see it as what their god wants them to do.

etc etc...

The only important difference:
Religion is more about doing things for a god and believing in him/her, for THEM/SOMEBODY ELSE(being them).
Atheism is doing and believing what you want because it's what suits YOU best.

What do you personally see as being more good, self-sacrifice or doing things for your own wants/desires?
In the end it's down to the person holding the gun, not the gun itself...

That is why Jesus died on the cross....

that is a complete and utter logical fallacy. you cant simply say, i believe in shiva, therefore i kil{due to belief in shiva}, hence any one who doesnt believe in shiva and kills is DUE to lack of belief in shiva. its NOT true. ATHEISM, is STRICTLY the LACK of belief in the presence of god, diety, revealed relegion etc. it does not CAUSE anything to happen and to say it is so would be a lie. atheists could have OTHER beliefs which cause things bad and good to HAPPEN but those beliefs are NOT part of their ATHEISM. people who try to bring the two on equal ground are often christians/musims/jews etc who cant produce any real arguments fro theism and their relegion and at best can try and tell the world that what the opposition is so vehemently condemning has the same roots as that of the oppositions{atheist's} condemnation and perhaps that it is hypocrytical on the athests part or no more logical than the theist point of view to oppose relegion etc. the two are NOT on equal ground. plus its very doubtfull that jesus died on the cross, not to mention theirs much doubt about even the existance of a so called jesus. either way, he most definately was not a messiah. nor did his apparent sacrifice do anything for humanity's sin's etc as claimed.

leonheartmm
if belief in sumthing{an oddity} puts you in one group and influences your action in a certain given way for all elements of the group{albeit individual differences still arise}. then all elements{the vast majority} who are NOT part of the group doesnt automatically put them in another group whose criteria for entrance are the CAUSATIVE FACTORS{like in the belief group} for their actions. the causative phenomenon only exists for the belief group and can be blamed on the beleif. the LACK of belief alone can never be connected with the actions of people who dont believe.

Boris
Originally posted by BananaKing
In the end Atheism and Religion are both beliefs, Religion is just the belief of a god.

Some Religious people could believe it's right to kill people for their god.
But some Atheists could believe it's right to kill people because it's what they want to do.

Some Atheists would rape because it's what he wants to do.
Some Religious people see it as what their god wants them to do.

etc etc...

The only important difference:
Religion is more about doing things for a god and believing in him/her, for THEM/SOMEBODY ELSE(being them).
Atheism is doing and believing what you want because it's what suits YOU best.

What do you personally see as being more good, self-sacrifice or doing things for your own wants/desires?
In the end it's down to the person holding the gun, not the gun itself...

That is why Jesus died on the cross....

Religion is a belief in a God or a Holy Book or whatever, Atheism is a LACK of belief in a God or religion as a whole.

Yes people could and do kill people because of their religion be it whatever. BUT.. an Atheist would NEVER kill someone just because they were an atheist, you don't kill people in the name of atheism as others do in the name of God, Allah, or whatever. Again, an atheist might rape someone because they're ****ed up, not because their an atheist.

Religion is about believing in ****ed up bullshit that should have no standing on todays society, it's total fallacy, believing in an nonexistent God and a stupid ****ed up bullshit filled book of fairy tales.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by BananaKing

Atheism is doing and believing what you want because it's what suits YOU best.

That's hedonism not Atheism.

Any intelligent person (Atheist or not) should be aware that acting only to benefit one's self generally backfires. In the grand scheme of things most religious people also act only on thier own behalf anway.

Bardock42
Originally posted by BananaKing
In the end Atheism and Religion are both beliefs, Religion is just the belief of a god.

Some Religious people could believe it's right to kill people for their god.
But some Atheists could believe it's right to kill people because it's what they want to do.

Some Atheists would rape because it's what he wants to do.
Some Religious people see it as what their god wants them to do.

etc etc...

The only important difference:
Religion is more about doing things for a god and believing in him/her, for THEM/SOMEBODY ELSE(being them).
Atheism is doing and believing what you want because it's what suits YOU best.

What do you personally see as being more good, self-sacrifice or doing things for your own wants/desires?
In the end it's down to the person holding the gun, not the gun itself...

That is why Jesus died on the cross.... Last sentence spoils the decent post.

Goddess Kali
Atheism does not give anyone the means or permission to do anything...Religion does.

BananaKing
Originally posted by Boris
Religion is a belief in a God or a Holy Book or whatever, Atheism is a LACK of belief in a God or religion as a whole.

Yes people could and do kill people because of their religion be it whatever. BUT.. an Atheist would NEVER kill someone just because they were an atheist, you don't kill people in the name of atheism as others do in the name of God, Allah, or whatever. Again, an atheist might rape someone because they're ****ed up, not because their an atheist.

Religion is about believing in ****ed up bullshit that should have no standing on todays society, it's total fallacy, believing in an nonexistent God and a stupid ****ed up bullshit filled book of fairy tales.

How do you know what some people will do? Atheists aren't perfect either you know, I heard an atheist say they'd kill animals if the government hadn't banned it, what's to say some atheists(NOT ALL) think that about people they hate and actually mean it?
There are Religions(or belief systems) where they think you can kill for your god, and there are Atheists who genuinely hate someone so much (which is EXACTLY the same as these religions but minus the god) that they would actually kill them.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
that is a complete and utter logical fallacy. you cant simply say, i believe in shiva, therefore i kil{due to belief in shiva}, hence any one who doesnt believe in shiva and kills is DUE to lack of belief in shiva. its NOT true. ATHEISM, is STRICTLY the LACK of belief in the presence of god, diety, revealed relegion etc. it does not CAUSE anything to happen and to say it is so would be a lie. atheists could have OTHER beliefs which cause things bad and good to HAPPEN but those beliefs are NOT part of their ATHEISM. people who try to bring the two on equal ground are often christians/musims/jews etc who cant produce any real arguments fro theism and their relegion and at best can try and tell the world that what the opposition is so vehemently condemning has the same roots as that of the oppositions{atheist's} condemnation and perhaps that it is hypocrytical on the athests part or no more logical than the theist point of view to oppose relegion etc. the two are NOT on equal ground. plus its very doubtfull that jesus died on the cross, not to mention theirs much doubt about even the existance of a so called jesus. either way, he most definately was not a messiah. nor did his apparent sacrifice do anything for humanity's sin's etc as claimed.

That's why i said only some, because there are religions where/people who believe you can kill for god and also there are people who want to follow their religion but on the occasion do things against.
There are also atheists who on the odd occasion do bad things but want to be good and atheists who don't want to follow rules atall.
(but yet again the odd occasion is because nobody is perfect)

In the end they are both just beliefs be it of god or not.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's hedonism not Atheism.

Any intelligent person (Atheist or not) should be aware that acting only to benefit one's self generally backfires. In the grand scheme of things most religious people also act only on thier own behalf anway.

But yet again, using your intelligence and not acting to your own benefit just so it doesn't backfire is ALSO acting for your own benefit in the end (YOU don't want it to backfire)

BananaKing
Originally posted by AngryManatee
I wouldn't say that being atheist means being selfish as you seem to imply, and you can't really group atheists into one big catagory like that.


It's not exactly being selfish, and not all atheists think of themselves exactly, it's just doing things because you want to, more than what somebody else wants you to do (unless you was brought up different, which adds complications).

People say i'm only a christian because i was brought up that way, yet an Atheist only does good because that's what he/she was brought up to be.

But in the end, it isn't the belief but the person holding the belief...

willRules
Originally posted by AngryManatee
I wouldn't say that being atheist means being selfish as you seem to imply, and you can't really group atheists into one big catagory like that.

Many religious people would argue the same point yes

Many argue that religious people would act on faith alone whereas scientists or athiests look for evidence. However there are many scientists who are Christians and many athiests who base their belief on their faith, Richard Dawkins is a good example of this.

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