Who Can beat the Dark Phoenix?

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The Prophecy
Who can beat the Dark Phoenix?

Also what is her weaknesses?

Estacado
From Marvel?
No one.

I watch Pokemon
Time Trapper. Just check out his respect thread.

shifty

quanchi112
galactus at full power and the celestials could in my honest opinion

Nikkolas
A well-fed to full-power Galactus
A Celestial
Elder Gods (The God-Eater and so forth)
Original Tyrant
High-end Mystic Beings like Shuma-Gorath, Vishanti.

And finally, I cast a vote for Broly because his chest is bigger than hers. Plus he destroyed a galaxy in no time flat.
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9170/moosclestl5.jpg

grey fox
Thanos possibly ?

Nikkolas
Thanos gave Odin, allbeit with some PIS, a tough fight according to Odin himself.

I'd say Odin > Dark Phoenix by feats. He's punked more powerful Heralds than her and destroyed galaxies.

Thanos has a chance but he can take more than he can dish out against her.

starking
Would Darkseid be out of the question?

Estacado
Laser guns!
Don't forget the laser guns!

Mr Master
Originally posted by Estacado
Laser guns!
Don't forget the laser guns!

Or an Electro Magnetic Pulse. shifty

xjustice69x
adamantium claws! eek!

Xplosive
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Thanos gave Odin, allbeit with some PIS, a tough fight according to Odin himself.

I'd say Odin > Dark Phoenix by feats. He's punked more powerful Heralds than her and destroyed galaxies.

Thanos has a chance but he can take more than he can dish out against her.

Do you really think Odin could beat DP toe-to-toe? I think DP would vaporize him easily.
Thanos doesn't have by himself not even 0.1% chance against DP.

Tenebrous
Originally posted by Estacado
Laser guns!
Don't forget the laser guns!

artificial event horizon from a small hidden ship ftw.

Thanos_THOTU
O n s l a u g h t !

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/7480/3oc7qv8.jpg

What ... Someone had to.

boriquaking55
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
O n s l a u g h t !

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/7480/3oc7qv8.jpg

What ... Someone had to.

That's just PIS to the 10th degree. Onslaught shouldn't even be able to touch Phoenix or the gem of Cytorrak for that matter.

I think Hyperstorm or MJJ could do it though. Don't see why not

ragesRemorse
Originally posted by boriquaking55
That's just PIS to the 10th degree. Onslaught shouldn't even be able to touch Phoenix or the gem of Cytorrak for that matter.

I think Hyperstorm or MJJ could do it though. Don't see why not

but the dude is standing on a planet...thats some hardcore shit laughing out loud

Legion...Nate gray

BobbyD
Is this strictly a Marvel thread? Or can we choose characters from DC?

Crimson Phoenix
Well, according to endsong, Love can beat her love

So next time dark phoenix causes choas, give her a sack full of love! That will teach her mwahahaha!!!

Utrigita
Galactus Full power could probably do so

Nikkolas
I'm gonna throw in the Immortal God-Emperor of Mankind.

Thanos_THOTU
Originally posted by Nikkolas
I'm gonna throw in the Immortal God-Emperor of Mankind.
Are you ****ing retarded?!
He's not even at Thor level.

GalacticStorm
Full power Galactus is what exactly?

Galactus has claimed to be full powered after eating a planet.

In this months F4 Galactus was replenished from the energies of Gravity erm

Galactus is a finite being who requires outside sustenance. A Phoenix is hooked up to a well of near infinite energy. While Galactus after eating a planet could hang with her for a little while, he would eventually use up his reserves and then what? Is Phoenix gonna let him take a lunch break? laughing out loud

He illustrates the point im making quite clearly:

He is a limited being. He burns off his energy reserves. Phoenix is hooked up to an unlimited power source and would keep on going.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29813174987.jpg

"I hover near to death, my strength depleted, exhausted in our struggle, while you are NEITHER weary nor hungry BECAUSE you tap into a source of near limitless potential, the sea of life yet unborn"

Galactus would get punked. Galactus has got punked. Regardless of whether he's eaten or not, he cant destroy the Phoenix as its indestructible and to finish it off, whilst he would use up his reserves, she would carry on undeterred.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Nikkolas
A well-fed to full-power Galactus
A Celestial
Elder Gods (The God-Eater and so forth)
Original Tyrant
High-end Mystic Beings like Shuma-Gorath, Vishanti.

And finally, I cast a vote for Broly because his chest is bigger than hers. Plus he destroyed a galaxy in no time flat.
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9170/moosclestl5.jpg

None of the above roll eyes (sarcastic)

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
While Galactus after eating a planet could hang with her for a little while, he would eventually use up his reserves and then what?

Then he starts eating her.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Then he starts eating her.

She wields greater energies than him and is a high level cosmic with high level energy manipulation skills, far in excess of anything Galactus has demonstrated so she wouldnt let that happen.

With the Hyperstorm case, Hyperstorm was just a mutant tapped into a near infinite energy source, thats why he could be taken out by Galactus and manipulated. He was human of mind, human of nature. Galactus had a weaker power source, but was a higher level being, with a degree of cosmic awareness and a higher skill level when it came to energy manipulation.

So in other words...nope.

mykke
I believe theoretical "full powered Galactus" is if he decides to consume a universe one day(which is supposively in his power) though since he has not shown the ability to do this on panel, it is all theory. Anyways back to the thread MJJ, Jamie Braddock, pre-retcon beyonder, pre-retcon Molecular Man, HOM Wanda, Insane Genis-Vell could all beat Dark Phoenix.

Nikkolas
The guy knocked back the Chaos Gods with a psychic attack described aa s supernova.



Phone me when DP destroys a galaxy and she can beat those guys. As of now, she's barely on Herald-level by feats.

She's pathetic.

Nikkolas
lolololool

Guys, GalacticStorm thinks Dark Phoenix can beat a CELESTIAL.

Dear God, your fanboyism GS.... By feats, a Celestial wouldn't even NOTICE Dark Pheonix and would still annihilate her.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by mykke
since he has not shown the ability to do this on panel, it is all theory.

big grin



Originally posted by mykke
Anyways back to the thread MJJ, Jamie Braddock, pre-retcon beyonder, pre-retcon Molecular Man, HOM Wanda, Insane Genis-Vell could all beat Dark Phoenix.

MJJ on panel only ever warped reality on a global scale. In terms of on panel feats he pales in comparison to Phoenix and alot of characters. On top of that given that he is human, has human durability and reflexes before he uses his power on himself, he can get taken out by many a character.

Jamie Braddock, got punked by the First Fallen who is Phoenix level. Jamie Braddock was fearful of the First Fallen and said character was regarded by Jaspers as his superior which is why he ran to the X-men for help. On top of that his feats pale in comparison to Phoenixes.

Pre retcon Mol and Beyonder beat Phoenix in terms of regard from other characters and thats all. Since that Saga all those years ago, Phoenix has performed feats which put theirs to shame.

Wanda warped the Earth and only the Earth as stated on panel by Roma and as stated in the intro pages to issues of Uncanny X-men and Exiles. People assumed she warped the entire universe, that was a misinterpretation. On panel statements are greater than opinion. Wandas Chaos Wave was catalysed by her power, it wasnt something she directly created and controlled. Just something she set off by accidentally ripping open a hole in the dimensional wall of 616. As such the Chaos Wave and all it did are not feats of Wandas.

Insane Genis Vell was a threat because his power was linked to the Big Bang by Baron Zemo. He never wielded universal power. Because the Big Bang is the beginning and end of existence, his connection to it, meant his powers caused disruptions across the timeline.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29020020164.jpg

Genis got taken out by Baron Zemo wielding the moonstones erm

Once again, Genis never wielded anything close to universal power.

The Prophecy
Originally posted by BobbyD
Is this strictly a Marvel thread? Or can we choose characters from DC?

Both DC and Marvel

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Nikkolas
lolololool

Guys, GalacticStorm thinks Dark Phoenix can beat a CELESTIAL.

Dear God, your fanboyism GS.... By feats, a Celestial wouldn't even NOTICE Dark Pheonix and would still annihilate her.

Unless the threadmaker is specifically talking about Dark Phoenix in her appearances between issues 134 to 137 of Uncanny X-men then Dark Phoenix could quite easily beat a Celestial.

Dark Phoenix is what a Phoenix gone bad is called. Your lack of knowledge with regards to Phoenix has lead you to believe that that reference is strictly referring to the Phoenix character between the aforementioned issues. You were wrong.

Glad to be of help.

Nikkolas
I think a Celestial can do more damage than an electromagnetic pulse.

Goddess Kali
Dark Pheonix would beat Galactus and a Celestial, and no I am not a fanboy like GalacticStorm...but come on, objectively...who are you kidding ?

DP is higher in power than the others

Symmetric Chaos
Yuki would win . . . no wait she'd get curbstomped.

spidey-dude
Originally posted by The Prophecy
Who can beat the Dark Phoenix?

Also what is her weaknesses? her only weakeness is wolverine

Nikkolas
How many galaxies has she destroyed then?

Has she ever started to eat the universe itself?

No.

She ate a star and fought the X-Men.

I'm not impressed.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Nikkolas
I think a Celestial can do more damage than an electromagnetic pulse.

The Phoenix Force let Jean die as she didnt need to be in reality anymore. Phoenix manifests to perform "Phoenix work", if shes not needed, the Phoenix Force calls her back.

In New X-men 128 the Phoenix Force foretold the coming battle with Xorneto where she visualized it to Xavier and said she is "born and consumed in blood flame and sacrifice" but always returns because it is the last hope:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/9/25812553924.jpg

In New X-men 150 the same issue Jean had her physicality destroyed she said she didnt no how much longer she would be allowed to stay:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29211200559.jpg


After she was "killed" Jean was reborn to perform her Phoenix work.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29211200857.jpg

Jean has bathed in stars, Phoenix avatars have laughed off blasts from Galactus and his heralds and yet you actually thought that if the Phoenix wanted to stick around that it could be killed by an EM pulse? What the f**k?

Caps Conscience
The entire GL Corps. Maybe but more than likely maybe not.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Nikkolas
How many galaxies has she destroyed then?

Has she ever started to eat the universe itself?

No.

She ate a star and fought the X-Men.

I'm not impressed.

Phoenix has contained a multiversal power, manipulated the entire universe telekinetically twice, thrashed Galactus and his herald and cancelled out a black hole in Endsong, projected a tower across the multiverse duplicating in every reality, eaten a star, given a barren planet life just to name a few things. smile

Dark Phoenix is Phoenix gone bad.

Uncanny X-men 134 to 137 was AN appearance of Dark Phoenix. Not THE appearance of Dark Phoenix.

Do some background reading to prepare yourself for debate. yes

Signing out. smile

Mr Master
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix has contained a multiversal power,

Not true.

Phoenix was getting absorbed by the N-Galaxy:

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1362/p312cx5.th.jpg


Phoenix NEEDED all the X-Men plus Corsair to HELP her Repair or Re-Knit the Lattice or "Interlocking Stasis Fields" that truly contained the N-Galaxy.


"For ALL Her awesome Power, She CAN'T DO IT ALONE"
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4925/p6ja8.th.jpg
"AND THEN SUDDENLY,

The SPIRITS of the X-MEN are WITH HER,

GIVING of THEMSELVES AS STORM and CORSAIR GAVE"


ALL the X-Men gave their LIFE-FORCE to help REPAIR the Lattice.





It's the "Interlocking Stasis Fields" that contains the N-Galaxy:

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1133/n1oa6.th.jpg



"HELD in Check by a Series of Interlocking Stasis Fields"
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7053/n2zu6.th.jpg
"Phoenix flew into the Energy Matrix And, with the X-MEN'S HELP, knitted the Fields back together again"





Or if you prefer Jean herself telling us:


Here Phoenix Tries to FIX the Lattice Alone

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5582/p2ci8.th.jpg


"But it's NOWHERE NEAR good enough"

and Phoenix does NOT "contain" the power of the N-Galaxy that does the destroying.

http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/3673/p3dr0.th.jpg
"a Network of interlocking Stasis Fields NEUTRALIZES the power of the N-Galaxy"....she was only able to knit the interlocking Stasis Fields back together"


Phoenix even says, their

"ONLY Hope is to Knit the Lattice Back Together BEFORE it PASSES the Point of No Return"


After that, they're all cooked, including Phoenx. smile





The Second time the Crystal was in danger,

Phoenix AGAIN, NEEDED All the X-Men:

"They exist as a Single Entity now, these X-Men" ...
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9118/p2ah3.th.jpg
"as ONE MIND & SPIRIT they focused on Restoring the Nexus of Realities"


yawn


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
manipulated the entire universe telekinetically twice,

Been handled too many times.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
thrashed Galactus and his herald

This Galactus?

http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/1162/g1ha2.th.jpg

"I have NEED of SUSTENANCE"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
and cancelled out a black hole in Endsong,

Whoopi doo.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
projected a tower across the multiverse duplicating in every reality,

VIA the Interface Alignment.

Nice try.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
eaten a star, given a barren planet life just to name a few things.

Wow, now that's impressive.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Do some background reading to prepare yourself for debate.

Or just exaggerate every detail of Phoenix's existence.

GalacticStorm
All handled by my respect thread:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/437478_1-respect-the-phoenix-shifty


No need to indulge tomfoolery. eek!

charlemagne9746
Darkseid

the Darkone
Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Darkseid

Hell no.

Symmetric Chaos
Gambit shifty

the Darkone
Originally posted by Nikkolas
A well-fed to full-power Galactus, yes
A Celestial no
Elder Gods (The God-Eater and so forth), Hell f**k no
Original Tyrant, double Hell f**k no
High-end Mystic Beings like Shuma-Gorath, Vishanti. Hell f**k no

And finally, I cast a vote for Broly because his chest is bigger than hers. Plus he destroyed a galaxy in no time flat.
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9170/moosclestl5.jpg

I would take somebody like FP Galactus, Multi-Eternity, Captain Britian w.excailbur and amulet of power, Jamie Braddock, The Makers, The Infinities, Evil Molecule Man, True Beyonder.

Badabing
According to Rutgog and 2damnloud Storm will win. dur

Nikkolas
It would take anyone who can blow up a galaxy.

Which is a well-fed Galactus, Odin, Elder Gods, Tyrant and good ol Broly there.

Big Sexy
It would probably take a Galactus medium to higher to put her down if shes not in her whole : "The phoenix wont let me live , I have to die then come back " Schtick.

the Darkone
Originally posted by Nikkolas
It would take anyone who can blow up a galaxy.

Which is a well-fed Galactus, What the f**k?Odin, Elder Gods, Tyrant and good ol Broly there.


What the f**k?Odin, Elder Gods, Tyrant hell not even Broly he will be turned into a tampon, these guys are not in the same league as Dark Phoeinx they are well below the food chain.

Endless Mike
Since we're mentioning anime, Lina Inverse using the Giga Slave

Nikkolas
But...Broly's power is MAXIMUM!

Okay, I'll abandon that. She'd mindrape him.

Anyway, why can't the Elder Gods and a well-fed Galactus beat her down?

Nikkolas
Hey Mike.

Don't kill me for liking DBZ.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Since we're mentioning anime, Lina Inverse using the Giga Slave

4 multiverses < Phoenix dude

Yuki with full access to the IDE or with Haruhi's power would own her though 313

And again. Gambit has already beaten her.

Endless Mike
Originally posted by Nikkolas
But...Broly's power is MAXIMUM!

Okay, I'll abandon that. She'd mindrape him.

Anyway, why can't the Elder Gods and a well-fed Galactus beat her down?

Because Phoenix is powered by fanboys

Nikkolas
Pft. LoN is not that powerful. She's not Presence or TOAA level. She has like...what? One universe or some crap? WHy does everyone mention multiverse?

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Pft. LoN is not that powerful. She's not Presence or TOAA level. She has like...what? One universe or some crap? WHy does everyone mention multiverse?

Typo. It's supposed to be 4 universes.

L-Sama created 4 universes. 2 have animes made about them.

Nikkolas
Yeah. That's what I was thinking too. i remember a guy made a write up on CBR about her power.

Anyway...so a universe buster could take her..hm.

Mr. Mxyzptlk anyone?

the Darkone
Originally posted by Nikkolas
But...Broly's power is MAXIMUM!

Okay, I'll abandon that. She'd mindrape him.

Anyway, why can't the Elder Gods and a well-fed Galactus beat her down?

A well feed Galactus yes, but elder gods are a copule notches above skyfathers and they are limited, as where Dark Phoenix is a cosmic diety.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Yeah. That's what I was thinking too. i remember a guy made a write up on CBR about her power.

Anyway...so a universe buster could take her..hm.

Mr. Mxyzptlk anyone?

She is a universe buster.

Myx, however, would probably destroy her.

Endless Mike
Actually she is a true omnipotent being with at least 4 multiverses (each one has separate subuniverses, dimensions, and timelines) and she creates and destroys universes as casually as humans breathe.

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