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Can Eternity step up to the big man and reach back with is infinity gauntlet-bearing hand and pimp slap LT?

Obviously this assumes that the gems work in unison.

and before someone mentions that LT had warlock under control, the wielder of the gauntlet this time is not some artificial being.

also, infinity + infinity = infinity arguments don't apply, in this particular instance. Reason being, definitions of infinity are relative to the one observing. the infinite power of warlock was ultimately shown to back down to the ultimate power of LT. However, relative to an IG-wielding warlock, an IG-wielding Eternity would, by logical reasoning, be more powerful. reason being is that the IG has not ever shown to limit anyone's power, only enhance. Therefore it would go with reason that IG-Warlock << IG-Eternity: their base is the same relative to "normal" observers, like the silver surfer or thanos, namely total omnipotence. That's where the infinity + infinity argument applies. However their ceiling is different, relative to "supreme" observers, in this instance, LT himself. That's where the infinity + infinity argument no longer applies.

long-ass discourse aside, who takes it???

very tough to call i wanna say living tribunal still but the gauntlet could put him over the top i really dont know yet to close to call let me think on it

Originally posted by Tenebrous
Can Eternity step up to the big man and reach back with is infinity gauntlet-bearing hand and pimp slap LT?

Obviously this assumes that the gems work in unison.

and before someone mentions that LT had warlock under control, the wielder of the gauntlet this time is not some artificial being.

also, infinity + infinity = infinity arguments don't apply, in this particular instance. Reason being, definitions of infinity are relative to the one observing. the infinite power of warlock was ultimately shown to back down to the ultimate power of LT. However, relative to an IG-wielding warlock, an IG-wielding Eternity would, by logical reasoning, be more powerful. reason being is that the IG has not ever shown to limit anyone's power, only enhance. Therefore it would go with reason that IG-Warlock << IG-Eternity: their base is the same relative to "normal" observers, like the silver surfer or thanos, namely total omnipotence. That's where the infinity + infinity argument applies. However their ceiling is different, relative to "supreme" observers, in this instance, LT himself. That's where the infinity + infinity argument no longer applies.

long-ass discourse aside, who takes it???

Good evening

No one is above LT save his boss, TOAA

LT FTW

http://i79.imagethrust.com/t/1135150/strangetalesv1158p15.jpg

The LT is above the Infinity Gauntlet....with a snap of his fingers...he made them to never work in unison again. With that said...he could do the same to whomever wields it. Eternity would need the HOTI in order to beat the LT. The IG would not be nearly enough.

LT with ease.

i dont know about the living tribunal with ease becuz i believe i haven t read it in a while bu ti think with adam warlock with the gems and tribunal went out at it they said it would destroy the universe. imagine adding that to eternitys power. hes right under tribunal with that it might put him over the top. this is still to tough for me to call as of yet.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
The LT is above the Infinity Gauntlet....with a snap of his fingers...he made them to never work in unison again. With that said...he could do the same to whomever wields it. Eternity would need the HOTI in order to beat the LT. The IG would not be nearly enough.

Not necessarily. He didn't snap his fingers when he was confronting Adam Warlock. In fact, Tribunal hesitated, ever so slightly, while he was deciding between his three faces whether to act against warlock or not.

I think the decree for the gems never to work again came from TOAA directly. Can't remember exactly but I'm pretty sure that's it.

Eternity would be able to use the power better then a Adam Warlock or Thanos. He has 7 intelligence

stalemate

Originally posted by golem370
Eternity would be able to use the power better then a Adam Warlock or Thanos. He has 7 intelligence
Eternity's power and intellect wouldent be noticed next to a wielder of the Gauntlet.
And for notes, the average human have 7 intelligeces--logical understanding, literal understanding etc.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
Not necessarily. He didn't snap his fingers when he was confronting Adam Warlock. In fact, Tribunal hesitated, ever so slightly, while he was deciding between his three faces whether to act against warlock or not.

I think the decree for the gems never to work again came from TOAA directly. Can't remember exactly but I'm pretty sure that's it.

http://i79.imagethrust.com/t/1136353/warlockinfinitywatch0108.jpg

Originally posted by guy222
http://i79.imagethrust.com/t/1136353/warlockinfinitywatch0108.jpg




http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/601/awfr1.th.jpghttp://img234.imageshack.us/img234/8997/ig1or1.th.jpg

Warlock poses the question to LT if he has the power to wrest the gauntlet from him (warlock).

LT says nothing for two panels....as ridiculous as that sounds, that's LT thinking to himself, for two entire panels (again, as absurd as that sounds, but this is LT, so two panels is an "Eternity" if you will-and three panels if you count Eternity asking LT to finally make a decision) if he has the power to overcome the IG. And that's the IG on Adam Warlock

Originally posted by Tenebrous
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/601/awfr1.th.jpghttp://img234.imageshack.us/img234/8997/ig1or1.th.jpg

Warlock poses the question to LT if he has the power to wrest the gauntlet from him (warlock).

LT says nothing for two panels....as ridiculous as that sounds, that's LT thinking to himself, for two entire panels (again, as absurd as that sounds, but this is LT, so two panels is an "Eternity" if you will-and three panels if you count Eternity asking LT to finally make a decision) if he has the power to overcome the IG. And that's the IG on Adam Warlock

IMO, based on another account between the LT and the IG,

the LT was determining if he had the "Power" as in "Authority" ...



This is the Rune/IG scenerio:


Surfer says,

"I know it is IN your Power to STOP this creature,

so I suggest you do so yourself"

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/392/4wr1.th.jpg

LT says,

"For this SELF to ACT, ALL THREE FACES MUST AGREE ...

the Choice is yours, Surfer, BUT the Judgement, as always, is MINE"





So based on this I believe that's why the LT hesitated, because,

"for this self to act, all three faces must agree"

Originally posted by Tenebrous
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/601/awfr1.th.jpghttp://img234.imageshack.us/img234/8997/ig1or1.th.jpg

Warlock poses the question to LT if he has the power to wrest the gauntlet from him (warlock).

LT says nothing for two panels....as ridiculous as that sounds, that's LT thinking to himself, for two entire panels (again, as absurd as that sounds, but this is LT, so two panels is an "Eternity" if you will-and three panels if you count Eternity asking LT to finally make a decision) if he has the power to overcome the IG. And that's the IG on Adam Warlock

Great issue

Marvel 7 intelligences is Immeasurable

Originally posted by Mr Master
IMO, based on another account between the LT and the IG,

the LT was determining if he had the "Power" as in "Authority" ...



This is the Rune/IG scenerio:


Surfer says,

"I know it is IN your Power to STOP this creature,

so I suggest you do so yourself"

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/392/4wr1.th.jpg

LT says,

"For this SELF to ACT, ALL THREE FACES MUST AGREE ...

the Choice is yours, Surfer, BUT the Judgement, as always, is MINE"





So based on this I believe that's why the LT hesitated, because,

"for this self to act, all three faces must agree"


In regards to Rune...based on my argument/opinion above, LT could stop RUNE with the IG....but a higher being with the IG? Which transitions into what I think concerning LT's decision process:

The three faces have to agree...but why did they not agree in unison immediately? Simple answer, at least one face either said "no" or didn't give an answer. That's deliberation on the part of any tribunal....trying to come up with the right answer.

In regards to authority vs. power...LT stated in the scan Guy provided above that he represents powers that dwarf the IG. Meaning he represents powers whose AUTHORITY also dwarfs the IG. IMO, since he represents powers whose authority dwarfs the IG, that would intrinsically give LT the authority to wrest the gauntlet from warlock. Now in the process of deciding about wresting the gauntlet, at least one of the three faces, Equity, Necessity, or Vengeance, either said no or took its time deciding. In any case, in his omniscience, LT still hesitated. That, IMO speaks volumes. and going back to the theme of the post....LT was facing an IG wielded by Adam Warlock. What about an IG wielded by Eternity? that's where the intrigue lies, IMO.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
In regards to Rune...based on my argument/opinion above, LT could stop RUNE with the IG....but a higher being with the IG? Which transitions into what I think concerning LT's decision process:

The three faces have to agree...but why did they not agree in unison immediately? Simple answer, at least one face either said "no" or didn't give an answer. That's deliberation on the part of any tribunal....trying to come up with the right answer.

In regards to authority vs. power...LT stated in the scan Guy provided above that he represents powers that dwarf the IG. Meaning he represents powers whose AUTHORITY also dwarfs the IG. IMO, since he represents powers whose authority dwarfs the IG, that would intrinsically give LT the authority to wrest the gauntlet from warlock. Now in the process of deciding about wresting the gauntlet, at least one of the three faces, Equity, Necessity, or Vengeance, either said no or took its time deciding. In any case, in his omniscience, LT still hesitated. That, IMO speaks volumes. and going back to the theme of the post....LT was facing an IG wielded by Adam Warlock. What about an IG wielded by Eternity? that's where the intrigue lies, IMO.

I understand where your coming from and it makes sense but,

LT wins this in a curbstomp.


The IG gives you power over the six major facets of Reality,

Mind, Soul, Power, Time, Space and Reality.

(that's it, it's scale of influence does not fluxuate) (just look at Nebula)

Eternity/Infinity (together) are those six facets personified,

so basically Eternity would have dominion over facets that are a part of him already.



IMO, the IG would make Eternity slightly more powerful,

like as powerful as Thanos, Warlock and Nebula were with the IG,

which is more powerful than Eternity.

The being possessing the IG has nothing to do with LT's ability to "turn it off".

The LT is above the IG itself...no matter who wields the artifact....LT is above it. Think of it sort of this way....if Batman shot Superman with a shotgun....what would happen?...nothing...Superman is above that kind of power. What would happen if Spectre shot Superman with that same shotgun....nothing...Superman is above the shotgun's ability to harm him.

I realize that the IG is a little different...but the same concept still applies...the LT is above the artifact itself...so no matter who wields it...it could never harm him. The IG is actually not too far above Eternity in terms of power, IMO....so, basically it would be LT fighting two maybe three Eternity's at once.....in terms of power.

Lt can turn off the gauntlet-then why say it would lay waste to the universe?

When LT made the decision that they never be used again together-was their a user wielding it trying to stop him? and werent they used together after that ? at least two at a time if you count reed in illuminati?
and rune?

IMO there is definetly a difference between the users of the IG and how it is used

Originally posted by Tenebrous
Not necessarily. He didn't snap his fingers when he was confronting Adam Warlock. In fact, Tribunal hesitated, ever so slightly, while he was deciding between his three faces whether to act against warlock or not.

I think the decree for the gems never to work again came from TOAA directly. Can't remember exactly but I'm pretty sure that's it.

Why you wearing a sig i made?

Originally posted by starlock
Lt can turn off the gauntlet-then why say it would lay waste to the universe?

When LT made the decision that they never be used again together-was their a user wielding it trying to stop him? and werent they used together after that ? at least two at a time if you count reed in illuminati?
and rune?

IMO there is definetly a difference between the users of the IG and how it is used

TOAA is LT's Boss

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/5/14814345158.jpg
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/5/14814345288.jpg
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/5/14814345293.jpg

LT is above the IG IMO

LT is far above any Wielder of the IG but the real reason why 616 eternity wanted to obtain the IG was probably to obtain the place of Multieternity.

Originally posted by Utrigita
LT is far above any Wielder of the IG but the real reason why 616 eternity wanted to obtain the IG was probably to obtain the place of Multieternity.

Warlock and the IW are great issues

Originally posted by Utrigita
LT is far above any Wielder of the IG



Originally posted by Utrigita
but the real reason why 616 eternity wanted to obtain the IG was probably to obtain the place of Multieternity.

I doubt that,

616 Eternity and "Multi-Eternity" are the same consciousness, as are All Eternitys.

I don't really see how TehBigE using the IG would change anything. The only possible advantage would be intelligence.

Originally posted by Mr Master


616 Eternity and "Multi-Eternity" are the same consciousness, as are All Eternitys.

Show me where thats stated please

I dont want to see any ambiguous statements from Eternity saying i am reality or i am all reality or i am all that is because they are inconclusive and can be referring to JUST the universe.

Please show me where Eternity was said to have the same consciousness as Multi-Eternity as until we see an on panel statement conclusively making that point, that point is far from fact and remains quite fimrly your opinion.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I don't really see how TehBigE using the IG would change anything. The only possible advantage would be intelligence.

LT ftw

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Show me where thats stated please

I dont want to see any ambiguous statements from Eternity saying i am reality or i am all reality or i am all that is because they are inconclusive and can be referring to JUST the universe.

Please show me where Eternity was said to have the same consciousness as Multi-Eternity as until we see an on panel statement conclusively making that point, that point is far from fact and remains quite fimrly your opinion.

The Dr Strange, Silver Surfer and Phoenix of this Universe were spared Nullification.

When Strange returns to the Universe that was erased,

he finds the UN as the Culprit:

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/3959/d1wb0.th.jpg




They were expelled from that Universe before it's demise.

It was the Universe Korvac ruled.

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/5537/d2be2.th.jpg




This is where Strange figured how to Re-Create the Universe with the UN,

as you can see, the essence of Eternity emerges:

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2048/d3xy5.th.jpg
"I am the Spirit of the Universe that once existed here ... hear my plea"




Eternity let's it be known he's died, and prefers to keep it this way.

Eternity explains that THIS Universe is just ONE of his Aspects,

of a "nigh-Infinite" amount of Eternitys. (the Multiverse or "Multi-Eternity" ... )

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/1092/d4hg3.th.jpg

If THIS SINGLE Universe is claiming to be the TOTALITY of a "Nigh-Infinite" amount of Aspects (Other ENTIRE separate UniverseS) then it is logical to undestand that "Multi-Eternity" or the Totality of Eternity are One in the SAME with ALL of his Aspects (Single UniverseS)

(Or ONE Consciousness)


Now try and tell us the Universe Korvac used the UN on was a dimension within 616 Eternity.

Or try and twist the words around to make it sound how you want.

Try, try, try ....

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Dr Strange, Silver Surfer and Phoenix of this Universe were spared Nullification.

When Strange returns to the Universe that was erased,

he finds the UN as the Culprit:

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/3959/d1wb0.th.jpg




They were expelled from that Universe before it's demise.

It was the Universe Korvac ruled.

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/5537/d2be2.th.jpg




This is where Strange figured how to Re-Create the Universe with the UN,

as you can see, the essence of Eternity emerges:

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2048/d3xy5.th.jpg
"I am the Spirit of the Universe that once existed here ... hear my plea"




Eternity let's it be known he's died, and prefers to keep this way.

Eternity explains that THIS Universe is just ONE of his Aspects,

of a "nigh-Infinite" amount of Eternitys. (the Multiverse or "Multi-Eternity" ... )

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/1092/d4hg3.th.jpg


Now try and tell us the Universe Korvac used the UN on was a dimension within 616 Eternity.

Or try and twist the words around to make it sound how you want.

Try, try, try ....

There were times when Eternity was presented as the universe(which is the most consistent and popular portrayal), times where he was presented as a multiverse, and times where he was portrayed as a psuedo multiverse, (a universe but due to the countless dimensions within him, he was called a multiverse. )

The most recent and most numerous canon portrayals of Eternity state that he is a universe. The latest handbooks make him out to be a universe. Your evidence is outdated and contradicted by numerous recent, canon accounts.

Here in the 00's (as opposed to the 80's) a clear distinction is made between Multi-Eternity and Eternity:

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/5/13714081529.jpg

Here is Eternitys bio from 2006:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/3/6314015780.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/3/6314015762.jpg

By your logic as its been stated on panel that Galactus is the most powerful being in the universe, regardless of how old the source, regardless of how many times that account has been contradicted on panel, Galactus is still the most powerful force in reality

That will be all.

What I tell ya folks:

Originally posted by Mr Master
Now try and tell us the Universe Korvac used the UN on was a dimension within 616 Eternity.

Or try and twist the words around to make it sound how you want.

Try, try, try ....

Originally posted by Mr Master
What I tell ya folks:

You gave them outdated information. Information that was stated back in the 80's, information which has since been consistently contradicted.

You might as well try and argue Galactus is still top dog by using scans from the 60's

Better luck next time son.

Originally posted by Mr Master
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2048/d3xy5.th.jpg
"I am the Spirit of the Universe that once existed here ... hear my plea"




Eternity let's it be known he's died, and prefers to keep it this way.

Eternity explains that THIS Universe is just ONE of his Aspects,

of a "nigh-Infinite" amount of Eternitys. (the Multiverse or "Multi-Eternity" ... )

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/1092/d4hg3.th.jpg

If THIS SINGLE Universe is claiming to be the TOTALITY of a "Nigh-Infinite" amount of Aspects (Other ENTIRE separate UniverseS) then it is logical to undestand that "Multi-Eternity" or the Totality of Eternity are One in the SAME with ALL of his Aspects (Single UniverseS)

(Or ONE Consciousness)

Go home dude.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Go home dude.

Ask your mom to read you your comics, because on your own its quite clear you cant make head nor tail of them .

That will be all for now.

Bed calls.

Work in the morning.

Nite nite.

MM, remember, PROVE he's wrong. Don't just say it.

Originally posted by King Kandy
MM, remember, PROVE he's wrong. Don't just say it.

Like he Proved I was?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Like he Proved I was?
Never said that.

But if you leave it uncountered, you don't look great.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Never said that.

But if you leave it uncountered, you don't look great.

You must be under the impression that will make any difference to this madman.

Don't you see, all the proof is dismissed with an explanation and unrelated, unreadable scans to confuse the onlookers? On some ol, if it sounds right, they'll believe.

I cracked all that junk, I do this for the onlookers, not for him.

Originally posted by Mr Master




I doubt that,

616 Eternity and "Multi-Eternity" are the same consciousness, as are All Eternitys.

I don't doubt it actually it was Darthgoober that with this post maked me wonder:

Hey Galan, here's a mind bender for you...

When Eternity was petitioning for Thanos to be stripped of the IG, it was the Universal aspect, right? Well, what if he had been successful and the Gauntlet were turned over to him(Eternity)? Would it have went to the Multiversal aspect of Eternity, or the Universal aspect? Because if it went to the Universal aspect, he would then be MORE powerful than Multi-Eternity. But the Universal Eternity seemed as though he actually wanted it for himself, he made no mention of wanting to hand over to the greater whole of the Multiverse. He kept saying things like "Am 'I' not the sum of all there is". :

IMO that is an M-Body which is determined by how much input Eternity wants and how much skill the M-body has in representing the said abstract- it is not Eternity itself just a representation

Info is in Quasar #37 i believe, it is a great read for info on M-bodies
Even LT has them

Originally posted by King Kandy
MM, remember, PROVE he's wrong. Don't just say it.

He only says it because he doesnt have the on panel evidence, or even the handbooks to prove his OPINION. He has outdated scans and ambiguous statements which can just as easily be used to prove my interpretation, hence them being inconclusive.

The difference between the two of us is that i do not indulge in fantasy and supposition, my interpretation takes into consideration previous and current canon i.e on panel events and statements and the points im trying to make are for the most part flat out stated and on top of that have support within handbooks.

Eh. These two have argued over the same thing in tons of threads.

Search Function shows that much.

Debates between the two won't ever end. 3rd parties are the only way to determine who's right, IMO.

Originally posted by Utrigita
When Eternity was petitioning for Thanos to be stripped of the IG, it was the Universal aspect, right? Well, what if he had been successful and the Gauntlet were turned over to him(Eternity)? Would it have went to the Multiversal aspect of Eternity, or the Universal aspect? Because if it went to the Universal aspect, he would then be MORE powerful than Multi-Eternity. But the Universal Eternity seemed as though he actually wanted it for himself, he made no mention of wanting to hand over to the greater whole of the Multiverse. He kept saying things like "Am 'I' not the sum of all there is". :

Universal Eternity says, "Am 'I' not the sum of all there is"

because he is the Multiverse and the Universe simultaneously consciously speaking,

obviously Eternity's Totality (the Multiverse) is far beyond his Aspect (a Universe) in power,

but it's the same exact being.

When your points have been left uncountered and people try to ignore them THEN you can repost.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
There were times when Eternity was presented as the universe(which is the most consistent and popular portrayal), times where he was presented as a multiverse, and times where he was portrayed as a psuedo multiverse, (a universe but due to the countless dimensions within him, he was called a multiverse. )

The most recent and most numerous canon portrayals of Eternity state that he is a universe. The latest handbooks make him out to be a universe. Your evidence is outdated and contradicted by numerous recent, canon accounts.

Here in the 00's (as opposed to the 80's) a clear distinction is made between Multi-Eternity and Eternity:

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/5/13714081529.jpg

Here is Eternitys bio from 2006:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/3/6314015780.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/3/6314015762.jpg

By your logic as its been stated on panel that Galactus is the most powerful being in the universe, regardless of how old the source, regardless of how many times that account has been contradicted on panel, Galactus is still the most powerful force in reality

That will be all.

Eternity is but one Universe. And the IG isn't Even strong enough to defeat the MultiEternity. So what in the hell would they do to the LT? Nothing. They would get ***** slapped into oblivion and the gems would be cracked into crushed candy

No the IG is stronger the Multieternity for one reason

A wielder of the IG can withstand a blast from the UN
Multieternity cannot

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Eternity is but one Universe. And the IG isn't Even strong enough to defeat the MultiEternity. So what in the hell would they do to the LT? Nothing. They would get ***** slapped into oblivion and the gems would be cracked into crushed candy

Originally posted by Mr Master
Universal Eternity says, "Am 'I' not the sum of all there is"

because he is the Multiverse and the Universe simultaneously consciously speaking,

obviously Eternity's Totality (the Multiverse) is far beyond his Aspect (a Universe) in power,

but it's the same exact being.

So we must assume that every time eternity is speaking it is multieternity speaking as well

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2048/d3xy5.th.jpg
"I am the Spirit of the Universe that once existed here ... hear my plea"




Eternity let's it be known he's died, and prefers to keep it this way.

Eternity explains that THIS Universe is just ONE of his Aspects,

of a "nigh-Infinite" amount of Eternitys. (the Multiverse or "Multi-Eternity" ... )

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/1092/d4hg3.th.jpg

If THIS SINGLE Universe is claiming to be the TOTALITY of a "Nigh-Infinite" amount of Aspects

(Other ENTIRE separate UniverseS)

then it is logical to undestand that "Multi-Eternity" or the Totality of Eternity

are One in the SAME with ALL of his Aspects (Single UniverseS)

(Or ONE Consciousness)


whistling


ON PANEL>>>>>>>>>>>>Bio

Originally posted by Utrigita
No the IG is stronger the Multieternity for one reason

A wielder of the IG can withstand a blast from the UN
Multieternity cannot

But then your argument works on the assumption that the IG directly reset the multiverse. Thats unproven and that notion contradicted in the handbooks. By resetting 616 Eternity and making it so Abraxas never existed all the damage he did across the multiverse would never have occurred. Given the handbooks mark out the UN as universal, as does its consistent portrayal in continuity that is more likely the case. It never directly reached out across the whole multiverse and remade. Thats never been stated, only presumed by fans who saw the damage across the multiverse rectified, however my interpretation explains that. My interpretation is also supported by previous continuity and the handbooks.

Originally posted by Utrigita
So we must assume that every time eternity is speaking it is multieternity speaking as well

That's exactly correct.

Originally posted by Mr Master


http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2048/d3xy5.th.jpg
"I am the Spirit of the Universe that once existed here ... hear my plea"




Eternity let's it be known he's died, and prefers to keep it this way.

Eternity explains that THIS Universe is just ONE of his Aspects,

of a "nigh-Infinite" amount of Eternitys. (the Multiverse or "Multi-Eternity" ... )

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/1092/d4hg3.th.jpg

If THIS SINGLE Universe is claiming to be the TOTALITY of a "Nigh-Infinite" amount of Aspects (Other ENTIRE separate UniverseS) then it is logical to undestand that "Multi-Eternity" or the Totality of Eternity are One in the SAME with ALL of his Aspects (Single UniverseS)

(Or ONE Consciousness)


whistling


ON PANEL>>>>>>>>>>>>Bio

Ok.

Galactus was stated in the 60's to be the most powerful force out there, so let me ignore whats been stated and shown since, present those scans and argue that point.

What awful logic

Originally posted by Mr Master


ON PANEL>>>>>>>>>>>>Bio

Recent on panel portrayals over the last 15 years + recent bios>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A What If

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
But then your argument works on the assumption that the IG directly reset the multiverse. Thats unproven and that notion contradicted in the handbooks. By resetting 616 Eternity and making it so Abraxas never existed all the damage he did across the multiverse would never have occurred. Given the handbooks mark out the UN as universal, as does its consistent portrayal in continuity that is more likely the case. It never directly reached out across the whole multiverse and remade. Thats never been stated, only presumed by fans who saw the damage across the multiverse rectified, however my interpretation explains that. My interpretation is also supported by previous continuity and the handbooks.

Everyone in this forum knows the UN reset the Multiverse.

Again,

this is just more proof, that your aim is to downplay/demean every other Feat that stomps Phoenix's.


Don't you get sick of yourself?

Originally posted by Utrigita
No the IG is stronger the Multieternity for one reason

A wielder of the IG can withstand a blast from the UN
Multieternity cannot

Wrong. the Magus NEVER withstood a blast from the UN when it was being used to reset the multiverse. Not a very good example. The blast was used at a single target and it's energy was redirected back upon the user. Never withstood. That is like saying WW withstood the Omega effect when all she really did was redirect it.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Galactus was stated in the 60's to be the most powerful force out there, so let me ignore whats been stated and shown since, present those scans and argue that point.

What awful logic

Ahh shut up clown.


This has nothing to do with a lack of characters (back in the day)
that places Galactus at that level.

This is a Cosmological Fact, and has nothing to do with hype.


swank

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
But then your argument works on the assumption that the IG directly reset the multiverse. Thats unproven and that notion contradicted in the handbooks. By resetting 616 Eternity and making it so Abraxas never existed all the damage he did across the multiverse would never have occurred. Given the handbooks mark out the UN as universal, as does its consistent portrayal in continuity that is more likely the case. It never directly reached out across the whole multiverse and remade. Thats never been stated, only presumed by fans who saw the damage across the multiverse rectified, however my interpretation explains that. My interpretation is also supported by previous continuity and the handbooks.

No the IG was far more powerful then the UN and thus was capable of "cheating the energies of it.

Yet numorous indications point to the UN beinging a multiversal tool.

http://img350.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2undestroysmultieternityinfini.jpg
looks like multiversal eternity to me ...

also some websites the first one I find highly reliable, for one reason nothing is approved on there database without first being accepted by marvel and the writer in question. The last one more unreliable.

In the Galactus bio: at marveldatabase
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Galactus
(Right above CHARACTERISTICS)
Galactus easily wrenched the Nullifer from Abraxas, giving it to Mister Fantastic, who used the weapon to destroy the multiverse. The result served to re-create the multiverse in which Abraxas never existed, and since all that was had ended, all that is was realigned.

In Abraxas bio: at marveldatabase
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Abraxas
(last sentence in his ORIGIN)
Galactus was eventually reconstituted by Franklin Richards who completely burned out his powers in the process. Reed Richards then used the Ultimate Nullifer to destroy the multiverse, and remake one in which Abraxas never existed.

In Galactus bio at wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactus
(last sentence in TEMPORARY DEATH)
Galactus easily reclaimed the Ultimate Nullifier from Abraxas and Reed Richards used it to remake the multiverse into one in which Abraxas never escaped.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Wrong. the Magus NEVER withstood a blast from the UN when it was being used to reset the multiverse. Not a very good example. The blast was used at a single target and it's energy was redirected back upon the user. Never withstood.

Magus completely controlled the energies of the UN.

Nullification energies are the same at any scale.

It all depends on the range you want to influence, but it's the SAME energies that Nullify.



Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That is like saying WW withstood the Omega effect when all she really did was redirect it.

Can Wonder Woman command/control the OE?

Not the same thing at all.

Originally posted by Utrigita
No the IG was far more powerful then the UN and thus was capable of "cheating the energies of it.

Yet numorous indications point to the UN beinging a multiversal tool.

You're completely right, as we ALL in this forum know this to be true.

But I can tell you right now, it will make no difference.


Awaiting the dismissal of your opinion and/or proof with 100% bull shit (you'l see)

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Wrong. the Magus NEVER withstood a blast from the UN when it was being used to reset the multiverse. Not a very good example. The blast was used at a single target and it's energy was redirected back upon the user. Never withstood. That is like saying WW withstood the Omega effect when all she really did was redirect it.

Whether is was to be used on a multiverse ore a wielder of the IG doesn't really matter since the same result happens, the target gets nullified. So more energy nahh different target and different purposes

Originally posted by Mr Master
Magus completely controlled the energies of the UN.

Nullification energies are the same at any scale.

It all depends on the range you want to influence, but it's the SAME energies that Nullify.





Can Wonder Woman command/control the OE?

Not the same thing at all.

Agreed

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're completely right, as we ALL in this forum no this to be true.

But I can tell you right now, it will make no difference.


Awaiting the dismissal of your opinion and/or proof with 100% bull shit (you'l see)

we will see, we will see ...

Looks like there is a serious debate underway here

Originally posted by Utrigita
Whether is was to be used on a multiverse ore a wielder of the IG doesn't really matter since the same result happens, the target gets nullified. So more energy nahh different target and different purposes

WRONG. You driving a nascar racer on a rocky hill and Dale driving a nascar on a paved race track have vastly different outcomes. Just becuz the car is the same means nothing. Try that one again. Quasar using the UN to target one person, and Reed using it to reset the multiverse are too differnt to even try to make a power comparison. That is a load of bull and not scientific at all.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Try that one again. Quasar using the UN to target one person, and Reed using it to reset the multiverse are too differnt to even try to make a power comparison. That is a load of bull and not scientific at all.

Again, Nullification energies are the SAME at any range,

the scale of influence is the only difference.


So the potency of energy required to nullify a Universe or a single individual,

is the same as the potency needed to nullify the Multiverse.


Obviously, the scale of nullification is different, but the same Energies are at work.

Originally posted by Utrigita
No the IG was far more powerful then the UN and thus was capable of "cheating the energies of it.

Yet numorous indications point to the UN beinging a multiversal tool.

http://img350.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2undestroysmultieternityinfini.jpg
looks like multiversal eternity to me ...

also some websites the first one I find highly reliable, for one reason nothing is approved on there database without first being accepted by marvel and the writer in question. The last one more unreliable.

In the Galactus bio: at marveldatabase
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Galactus
(Right above CHARACTERISTICS)
Galactus easily wrenched the Nullifer from Abraxas, giving it to Mister Fantastic, who used the weapon to destroy the multiverse. The result served to re-create the multiverse in which Abraxas never existed, and since all that was had ended, all that is was realigned.

In Abraxas bio: at marveldatabase
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Abraxas
(last sentence in his ORIGIN)
Galactus was eventually reconstituted by Franklin Richards who completely burned out his powers in the process. Reed Richards then used the Ultimate Nullifer to destroy the multiverse, and remake one in which Abraxas never existed.

In Galactus bio at wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactus
(last sentence in TEMPORARY DEATH)
Galactus easily reclaimed the Ultimate Nullifier from Abraxas and Reed Richards used it to remake the multiverse into one in which Abraxas never escaped.

The IG by canon/current continuity derives its power from the universal Big Bang:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/36012303242.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/36012325176.jpg

The Ig is universal according to on panel statements from one its former wielders and a handbook bio.

None of those are officially endorsed sites, they are fansites. Heres Abraxas' last bio:

"Reed nullified the universe itself. The universe restored itself to its previous normality"

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/1/713211579.jpg

The multiverse was indeed reset, but not directly, thats where everyones gone wrong. 616 was reset, Abraxas nullified, so that meant all he did never happened, all the destruction he wrought across the universe never happened, theres the difference.

Thats why the bios refer to how the universe was nullified and the universe was set right.

Its also why the nullifiers bio refers to how it is a universal power:

"It can potentially destroy an entire universe"

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/1/713220964.jpg

Someone please find an on panel statement saying that Reed nullified the entire multiverse directly as opposed to nullifying the universe which meant the destruction wrought across the multiverse never happened.

Originally posted by Utrigita
we will see, we will see ...

Looks like there is a serious debate underway here

My points stated point blank in officially endorsed material. Reed nullified the universe. The universe was reset. The UN is a universal power. All of those things stated point blank.

Ask Mr Master to provide an official source stating the UN is multiversal

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The IG by canon/current continuity derives its power from the universal Big Bang:
The Ig is universal according to on panel statements from one its former wielders and a handbook bio.

None of those are officially endorsed sites, they are fansites. Heres Abraxas' last bio:

"Reed nullified the universe itself. The universe restored itself to its previous normality"

The multiverse was indeed reset, but not directly, thats where everyones gone wrong. 616 was reset, Abraxas nullified, so that meant all he did never happened, all the destruction he wrought across the universe never happened, theres the difference.

Thats why the bios refer to how the universe was nullified and the universe was set right.

Its also why the nullifiers bio refers to how it is a universal power:

"It can potentially destroy an entire universe"

And the bull shit goes on and on and on ...



Nice unreadable scans.

Here Reed says

"our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...

how can this be...unless the entire Multiverse is misaligned.

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3020/earthalignment8vq.th.jpg




Here Nova says

"creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself"

again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.

http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/2111/earthalignment26rx.th.jpg




Finally what does this lead to?

Reed,

"In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was."

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7392/earthalignment39jd.th.jpg


What was MISALIGNED that NEEDED to be REALIGNED?


The MULTI-VERSE!


Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & Remake the Multiverse

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/6069/1unisusedbyreedtodestroyabraxa.th.jpg



UN Destroys the Multiverse

http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/932/2undestroysmultieternityinfini.th.jpg



UN Remakes the Multiverse in an instant
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/893/3unremakesthemultiverse9jq.th.jpg



Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ask Mr Master to provide an official source stating the UN is multiversal

Ask, and you shall receive:



"Should Abraxas reach the NULLIFIER,

He CAN OBLITERATE ALL the COMBINED REALITIES of the MULTI-VERSE"

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5568/unismulticv0.th.jpg



Yes I know, I know,

Reed is a bonehead and doesn't know what he's talking about,

or it's hyperbole,

or your bio supercedes this ON PANEL evidence,

or damn it, if Phoenix CAN'T do it, then the UN shouldn't,

Originally posted by Mr Master
And the bull shit goes on and on and on ...



Nice unreadable scans.


The Adam Warlock scan where he states the IG's power source is the Power Primordial is from She Hulk v3 #8

The bio is Fallen One/Champions bio from All New Handbook #4

Abraxas' bio is from All New Off HBook #1

The UN's bio from #11

If you cannot read my scans then invest in some specs, or take the initiative and download the comics yourself where you will see the truth. The issue numbers are there.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Adam Warlock scan where he states the IG's power source is the Power Primordial is from She Hulk v3 #8

The bio is Fallen One/Champions bio from All New Handbook #4

Abraxas' bio is from All New Off HBook #1

The UN's bio from #11

If you cannot read my scans then invest in some specs, or take the initiative and download the comics yourself where you will see the truth. The issue numbers are there.

ON PANEL>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bio
Originally posted by Mr Master
"Should Abraxas reach the NULLIFIER,

He CAN OBLITERATE ALL the COMBINED REALITIES of the MULTI-VERSE"

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5568/unismulticv0.th.jpg

Crawl back into your crevice of bull shit

Originally posted by Mr Master
Here Reed says

"our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...

how can this be...unless the entire Multiverse is misaligned.

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3020/earthalignment8vq.th.jpg




Here Nova says

"creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself"

again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.

http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/2111/earthalignment26rx.th.jpg




Finally what does this lead to?

Reed,

"In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was."

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7392/earthalignment39jd.th.jpg


What was MISALIGNED that NEEDED to be REALIGNED?


The MULTI-VERSE!


Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & Remake the Multiverse

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/6069/1unisusedbyreedtodestroyabraxa.th.jpg



UN Destroys the Multiverse

http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/932/2undestroysmultieternityinfini.th.jpg



UN Remakes the Multiverse in an instant
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/893/3unremakesthemultiverse9jq.th.jpg





Ask, and you shall receive:



"Should Abraxas reach the NULLIFIER,

He CAN OBLITERATE ALL the COMBINED REALITIES of the MULTI-VERSE"

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5568/unismulticv0.th.jpg



Yes I know, I know,

Reed is a bonehead and doesn't know what he's talking about,

or it's hyperbole,

or your bio supercedes this ON PANEL evidence,

or damn it, if Phoenix can do it, then the UN can't,



None of that changes whats established in continuity on panel i.e the UN is universal. None of that changes whats stated in the bios i.e Reed nullified the universe.

Its irrelevant showing that Abraxas was going around causing damage to realities across the multiverse because that doesnt mean that when Reed used the UN that it had to have reset directly the entire multiverse. If Reed reset Eternity and made it so Abraxas was never freed into reality then all the damage he did across reality never happened and so is reversed.

My way sees all the multiversal problems caused by Abraxas addressed, it also considers continuity for the UN and is supported by the official bios referring to that matter.

All you have is a bunch of scans and you OPINION on whats going on in them

With the UN of course you can destroy the all the realities of the multiverse. It can destroy universes at a time so eventually he could destroy it all.

That line is ambiguous, either way it is contradicted by continuity for the UN and ignored by the official handbooks.

Originally posted by Mr Master
ON PANEL>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bio



On panel +Official bios>>>>>>>>> Ambiguous statements + A nobodys opinion.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The IG by canon/current continuity derives its power from the universal Big Bang:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/36012303242.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/36012325176.jpg

The Ig is universal according to on panel statements from one its former wielders and a handbook bio.

None of those are officially endorsed sites, they are fansites. Heres Abraxas' last bio:

"Reed nullified the universe itself. The universe restored itself to its previous normality"

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/1/713211579.jpg

The multiverse was indeed reset, but not directly, thats where everyones gone wrong. 616 was reset, Abraxas nullified, so that meant all he did never happened, all the destruction he wrought across the universe never happened, theres the difference.

Thats why the bios refer to how the universe was nullified and the universe was set right.

Its also why the nullifiers bio refers to how it is a universal power:

"It can potentially destroy an entire universe"

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/1/713220964.jpg

Let me ask you a simple question if a number of roads is misaligned can you then fix the entire net of roads by destroying one of them and then realign that one road in order to realign all the roads ???
Where in the last scan does it says that the nullifier destroyed a single universe I cannot read the last part of it that is about abraxas.

Fansite... Marvel.com a simple fansite... okay then mate if you say so...

Also in according to all the scans above the multiverse was realign and when reed says that all there is needs to be remade then I kind of believes him.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
None of that changes whats established in continuity on panel i.e the UN is universal. None of that changes whats stated in the bios i.e Reed nullified the universe.

Its irrelevant showing that Abraxas was going around causing damage to realities across the multiverse because that doesnt mean that when Reed used the UN that it had to have reset directly the entire multiverse. If Reed reset Eternity and made it so Abraxas was never freed into reality then all the damage he did across reality never happened and so is reversed.

My way sees all the multiversal problems caused by Abraxas addressed, it also considers continuity for the UN and is supported by the official bios referring to that matter.

All you have is a bunch of scans and you OPINION on whats going on in them

With the UN of course you can destroy the all the realities of the multiverse. It can destroy universes at a time so eventually he could destroy it all.

That line is ambiguous, either way it is contradicted by continuity for the UN and ignored by the official handbooks.

There ya go folks,

same ol shit


He asked for On Panel proof of the UN stated to be Multiversal,

I post the proof,

he gives us some bull shit explanation that basically runs around the FACT.




This is comedy.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Here Reed says

"our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...

how can this be...unless the entire Multiverse is misaligned.

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3020/earthalignment8vq.th.jpg




Here Nova says

"creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself"

again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.

http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/2111/earthalignment26rx.th.jpg




Finally what does this lead to?

Reed,

"In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was."

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7392/earthalignment39jd.th.jpg


What was MISALIGNED that NEEDED to be REALIGNED?


The MULTI-VERSE!


Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & Remake the Multiverse

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/6069/1unisusedbyreedtodestroyabraxa.th.jpg



UN Destroys the Multiverse

http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/932/2undestroysmultieternityinfini.th.jpg



UN Remakes the Multiverse in an instant
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/893/3unremakesthemultiverse9jq.th.jpg





Ask, and you shall receive:



"Should Abraxas reach the NULLIFIER,

He CAN OBLITERATE ALL the COMBINED REALITIES of the MULTI-VERSE"

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5568/unismulticv0.th.jpg


whistling

Originally posted by Utrigita
Let me ask you a simple question if a number of roads is misaligned can you then fix the entire net of roads by destroying one of them and then realign that one road realign all the roads ???

Also in according to all the scans above the multiverse was realign and when reed says that all there is needs to be remade then I kind of believes him.

All that needs to be remade was remade as all that Abraxas did never happened. The handbooks support that interpretation as does established continuity for the UN.

Dont just swallow someone elses opinion, look at whats stated point blank as fact and that is that Reed nullified the universe and as a result reality returned to normal. The UN can potentially destroy a universe.

Those points are stated. Mr Master presents a string of scans where noen of his points are stated point blank to make them conclusive and on top of that the official bios dispute him.

Its as simple as that

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
All that needs to be remade was remade as all that Abraxas did never happened. The handbooks support that interpretation as does established continuity for the UN.

Dont just swallow someone elses opinion, look at whats stated point blank as fact and that is that Reed nullified the universe and as a result reality returned to normal. The UN can potentially destroy a universe.

Those points are stated. Mr Master presents a string of scans where noen of his points are stated point blank to make them conclusive and on top of that the official bios dispute him.

Its as simple as that

Yes all that needs to be remade was just everything that Abraxas ****ed up and what was it that he ****ed up the multiverse, commen sense say that in order to fix it it must be realigned just like the roadnet.

Don't worry I never shallow someones openion. I make my own and debate from that.

That is the point where you and mr master are having a really problem profe. One says Bio counts more one say on panel proof counts more. I say they are equal.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Yes all that needs to be remade was just everything that Abraxas ****ed up and what was it that he ****ed up the multiverse, commen sense say that in order to fix it it must be realigned just like the roadnet.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Yes all that needs to be remade was just everything that Abraxas ****ed up and what was it that he ****ed up the multiverse, commen sense say that in order to fix it it must be realigned just like the roadnet.

Don't worry I never shallow someones openion. I make my own and debate from that.

That is the point where you and mr master are having a really problem profe. One says Bio counts more one say on panel proof counts more. I say they are equal.

Reality by canon fixes itself and corrects temporal errors.

Common sense says that if the UN made it so that Abraxas never went on his rampage, then the damage present would be written out of the timeline.

Either way all across continuity on panel the UN is said to be universal. As well as those on panel accounts the Un is said to be universal in the handbooks.

Its not a case of bios vs on panel with me supporting the bios.

Its a case of on panel appearances before this F4 event AND bios AFTER this event stating the UN is a universal weapon.

Mr Master hasnt presented any scans that conclusively state or show the UN to be multiverse. He's presented a string of events and comments from that one saga which CAN be interpreted as he has. There is nothing conclusive about what hes presented. I on the other hand have conclusive statements saying the UN is a universal weapon.

Waded through enough bullshit to last a lifetime.

Despite that i'll be back tomorrow.

Later guys!!

firefirefireph

Common sense this jack:





Here Reed says

"our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...

how can this be...unless the entire Multiverse is misaligned.

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3020/earthalignment8vq.th.jpg




Here Nova says

"creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself"

again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.

http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/2111/earthalignment26rx.th.jpg




Finally what does this lead to?

Reed,

"In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was."

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7392/earthalignment39jd.th.jpg


What was MISALIGNED that NEEDED to be REALIGNED?


The MULTI-VERSE!


Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & Remake the Multiverse

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/6069/1unisusedbyreedtodestroyabraxa.th.jpg



UN Destroys the Multiverse

http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/932/2undestroysmultieternityinfini.th.jpg



UN Remakes the Multiverse in an instant
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/893/3unremakesthemultiverse9jq.th.jpg


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Mr Master hasnt presented any scans that conclusively state or show the UN to be multiverse. He's presented a string of events and comments from that one saga which CAN be interpreted as he has. There is nothing conclusive about what hes presented. I on the other hand have conclusive statements saying the UN is a universal weapon.


AGAIN:




"Should Abraxas reach the NULLIFIER,

He CAN OBLITERATE ALL the COMBINED REALITIES of the MULTI-VERSE"

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5568/unismulticv0.th.jpg



Yes I know, I know,

Reed is a bonehead and doesn't know what he's talking about,

or it's hyperbole,

or your bio supercedes this ON PANEL evidence,

or damn it, if Phoenix CAN'T do it, then the UN shouldn't,

Originally posted by Mr Master
Again, Nullification energies are the SAME at any range,

the scale of influence is the only difference.


So the potency of energy required to nullify a Universe or a single individual,

is the same as the potency needed to nullify the Multiverse.


Obviously, the scale of nullification is different, but the same Energies are at work.

Show me where it is stated that the energies are the same lvl? Fire star frying Juggernauts helmet is the same energy she used to open up a wormhole. Something the pheonix should only be able to do. Same energy, obviously NOT the same output. Try that crap on someone else who is dumb enough to fall for it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Show me where it is stated that the energies are the same lvl? Fire star frying Juggernauts helmet is the same energy she used to open up a wormhole. Something the pheonix should only be able to do. Same energy, obviously NOT the same output.

This analogy has nothing to do with the UN.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Try that crap on someone else who is dumb enough to fall for it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This analogy has nothing to do with the UN.





Actually it does. Your limited scope and lack of perception outside of anything that you have already concluded precludes that you are an inept debator and pretty much full of your self.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually it does. Your limited scope and lack of perception outside of anything that you have already concluded precludes that you are an inept debator and pretty much full of your self.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually it does.

Your limited scope and lack of perception outside of anything that you have already concluded precludes that you are an inept debator and pretty much full of your self.

stfu2

Go Read Comics,

your knowledge of the UN and/or of the Marvel Cosmology is pultry at best.


And even though KMC's most determined Sock applauds you, it's true.



If that's the only support you have, I feel sorry for you.

Originally posted by Mr Master
stfu2

Go Read Comics,

your knowledge of the UN and/or of the Marvel Cosmology is pultry at best.


And even though KMC's most determined Sock applauds you, it's true.



If that's the only support you have, I feel sorry for you. Your pathetic and LIMP attempt to belittle me doesn't even begin to address the issue at hand. I have soundly deflated your rediculous UN/IG theory using sound logic. Same Energies does NOT equal the same out put or use.

Originally posted by Mr Master
stfu2

Go Read Comics,

your knowledge of the UN and/or of the Marvel Cosmology is pultry at best.


And even though KMC's most determined Sock applauds you, it's true.



If that's the only support you have, I feel sorry for you.

Whats the matter been de-clawed,wheres all the insults and foul language? i think the mods would know if i was a sock(which i dont even know what it is)
well i will say thank you for at least trying to be somewhat polite and refraining from spouting out foul language
and i have not seen a lie in ages-good for you
you might not like me but at least i can try and respect you now

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your pathetic and LIMP attempt to belittle me doesn't even begin to address the issue at hand.

The only one coming in here insulting was you son:
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your limited scope and lack of perception outside of anything that you have already concluded

precludes that you are an inept debator and pretty much full of your self.

You do you expect after this kind of garbage.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I have soundly deflated your rediculous UN/IG theory using sound logic.

hysterical

Again,

please Read a Comic Book before debating.


Your One fan will be ignored.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
All you have is a bunch of scans and you OPINION on whats going on in them

All that you have in this case is handbook bios (which are not generally considered valid on KMC). If I missed on panel verification that you found could you please repost it?

Besides that everything is opinion and interperitation.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The only one coming in here insulting was you son:


You do you expect after this kind of garbage.



hysterical

Again,

please Read a Comic Book before debating.


Your One fan will be ignored.

And yet you are the one who dismissed the fact that my logic was sound. Same energies does not equal same use and output. Superman's heat vision is the same energy that Superboy prime uses. And yet, Super Boy primes kills GL's while Superman can use his to cauter a wound. Same energy, differnt uses, different outputs. Your UN/IG Theory is flawed and there for debunked. Have a nice day.

uhoh 4 five dollas ill help one of out with insults im a hustla thats wat i do

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
All that you have in this case is handbook bios

(which are not generally considered valid on KMC).

If I missed on panel verification that you found could you please repost it?

Besides that everything is opinion and interperitation.

LT: Silly eternity biiiatch, I snap mah fingaz at yo ass.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And yet you are the one who dismissed the fact that my logic was sound. Same energies does not equal same use and output. Superman's heat vision is the same energy that Superboy prime uses. And yet, Super Boy primes kills GL's while Superman can use his to cauter a wound. Same energy, differnt uses, different outputs.

Again,

your analogy is sensible but it does not relate.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your UN/IG Theory is flawed and there for debunked. Have a nice day.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Again, Nullification energies are the SAME at any range,

the scale of influence is the only difference.


So the potency of energy required to nullify a Universe or a single individual,

is the same as the potency needed to nullify the Multiverse.


Obviously, the scale of nullification is different, but the same Energies are at work.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Again,

your analogy is sensible but it does not relate.
You have to accept that he does not possess the brain capacity required to comperhend the fact's you've just stated.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
You have to accept that he does not possess the brain capacity required to comperhend the fact's you've just stated.

Actually his statement doesn't make sense. As long as the use and the users are differnt, then the circumstances are incomparible and thus not scientific in the applied theory that he is passing off as law. Please don't come at me with anything about brain capacity. You get yours out of his you know where the sun don't shine and then talk about brains buddy.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually his statement doesn't make sense. As long as the use and the users are differnt, then the circumstances are incomparible and thus not scientific in the applied theory that he is passing off as law. Please don't come at me with anything about brain capacity. You get yours out of his you know where the sun don't shine and then talk about brains buddy.
Again if you cannot grasp the content of the text why hurting yourself.
All you actually do is asking for more evidence, though he have clearly brought up everything that's necessery.
It's not like you have read the comic's yourself

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Again if you cannot grasp the content of the text why hurting yourself.
All you actually do is asking for more evidence, though he have clearly brought up everything that's necessery.
It's not like you have read the comic's yourself

And again, you like he have no proof what soEVER that the output of energy was the same. Given the fact that Quasar is far less adept in Galactus matters than Reed, and given the fact that Reed was using the un to reset the multiverse, where as Quasar fumbled his way into oblivion, there is absolutely NOTHING to suggest the IG is indeed superior to the multiversal energies of the UN. The IG has NEVER been shown to be able to erase the multiverse. Period. The IG wielder can't even withstand a full on attack from the UN. The Magus had to turn the energies back upon the user. If he were truly all powerful, he could have shaken the blast off. Fire the UN at Mr. Mxy and he'll laugh at you. he won't redirect the energy, he won't do anything but make you feel less than you are as your most powerful weapon is a dud. Leading me to believ the magus knew full well that if he was indeed touched by the UN's power, he would be erased. And Still, the UN set to erase the magus is in no way comparible to Reed using it to erase the multiverse. Same energies, NOT the same purpose or effect. Have a nice day.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And again, you like he have no proof what soEVER that the output of energy was the same. Given the fact that Quasar is far less adept in Galactus matters than Reed, and given the fact that Reed was using the un to reset the multiverse, where as Quasar fumbled his way into oblivion, there is absolutely NOTHING to suggest the IG is indeed superior to the multiversal energies of the UN. The IG has NEVER been shown to be able to erase the multiverse. Period. The IG wielder can't even withstand a full on attack from the UN. The Magus had to turn the energies back upon the user. If he were truly all powerful, he could have shaken the blast off. Fire the UN at Mr. Mxy and he'll laugh at you. he won't redirect the energy, he won't do anything but make you feel less than you are as your most powerful weapon is a dud. Leading me to believ the magus knew full well that if he was indeed touched by the UN's power, he would be erased. And Still, the UN set to erase the magus is in no way comparible to Reed using it to erase the multiverse. Same energies, NOT the same purpose or effect. Have a nice day.

It doesn't matter whether ore not Reed is more skilled in the matters of Galactus since Quasar possessed cosmic awarness that kind of makes up for the knowlegde about Galactus, though I must agree with you on some points, I also believe that the wielder make a difference but we are talking something like Galactus vs Reed in use not Quasar vs Reed. Furthermore, it is funny that the UN was used against magus and not Thanos don't you think, ore maybe that was because of Magus damaging more then One Universe. Well for mr. Mxy there is also some difference don't you think between him and the IG. AHH but the same energy, not the same purpose and not the same effect, isn't that was MM has been arguing about for some pages now that the energies are the same ore actually some of the same purpose Reed did it to save the multiverse and Magus had the potential to effect the entire multiverse. So the result of the guns fired was what maked the difference.

Originally posted by Utrigita
It doesn't matter whether ore not Reed is more skilled in the matters of Galactus since Quasar possessed cosmic awarness that kind of makes up for the knowlegde about Galactus, though I must agree with you on some points, I also believe that the wielder make a difference but we are talking something like Galactus vs Reed in use not Quasar vs Reed. Furthermore, it is funny that the UN was used against magus and not Thanos don't you think, ore maybe that was because of Magus damaging more then One Universe. Well for mr. Mxy there is also some difference don't you think between him and the IG. AHH but the same energy, not the same purpose and not the same effect, isn't that was MM has been arguing about for some pages now that the energies are the same ore actually some of the same purpose Reed did it to save the multiverse and Magus had the potential to effect the entire multiverse. So the result of the guns fired was what maked the difference.

LT>IG

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If he were truly all powerful, he could have shaken the blast off. Fire the UN at Mr. Mxy and he'll laugh at you. he won't redirect the energy, he won't do anything but make you feel less than you are as your most powerful weapon is a dud.

That's conjecture. If an egotistical maniac were facing facing you down with your trump card, your most powerful weapon bearing down, his egotistical nature would compel him to use your own weapon against you to show that no matter what you bring to the table, it only adds its use at his disposal. there's much more satisfaction in that then just simply shrugging it off.

guys like superman and sentry shrug off. guys like darkseid/thanos/doom? they take your best and use it against you every day of the week. shows that your power isn't only below theirs...it belongs to them as well. that's the type of character magus is (he not only thinks thanos is below him, he's taken a clone of thanos for his use as a lackey).

Originally posted by Tenebrous
That's conjecture. If an egotistical maniac were facing facing you down with your trump card, your most powerful weapon bearing down, his egotistical nature would compel him to use your own weapon against you to show that no matter what you bring to the table, it only adds its use at his disposal. there's much more satisfaction in that then just simply shrugging it off.

guys like superman and sentry shrug off. guys like darkseid/thanos/doom? they take your best and use it against you every day of the week. shows that your power isn't only below theirs...it belongs to them as well. that's the type of character magus is (he not only thinks thanos is below him, he's taken a clone of thanos for his use as a lackey).

Well put.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
That's conjecture. If an egotistical maniac were facing facing you down with your trump card, your most powerful weapon bearing down, his egotistical nature would compel him to use your own weapon against you to show that no matter what you bring to the table, it only adds its use at his disposal. there's much more satisfaction in that then just simply shrugging it off.

guys like superman and sentry shrug off. guys like darkseid/thanos/doom? they take your best and use it against you every day of the week. shows that your power isn't only below theirs...it belongs to them as well. that's the type of character magus is (he not only thinks thanos is below him, he's taken a clone of thanos for his use as a lackey).

Originally posted by Utrigita
It doesn't matter whether ore not Reed is more skilled in the matters of Galactus since Quasar possessed cosmic awarness that kind of makes up for the knowlegde about Galactus, though I must agree with you on some points, I also believe that the wielder make a difference but we are talking something like Galactus vs Reed in use not Quasar vs Reed. Furthermore, it is funny that the UN was used against magus and not Thanos don't you think, ore maybe that was because of Magus damaging more then One Universe. Well for mr. Mxy there is also some difference don't you think between him and the IG. AHH but the same energy, not the same purpose and not the same effect, isn't that was MM has been arguing about for some pages now that the energies are the same ore actually some of the same purpose Reed did it to save the multiverse and Magus had the potential to effect the entire multiverse. So the result of the guns fired was what maked the difference.

Show me where quasar had cosmic awareness in the infinity war saga? he had it for maybe two issues during the cosmos in collision arch way before the infinity war storyline,please explain what possesed means? in the past? while he was using the un? eppy had it so since quasar is in contact with eppy that in a sense he had posession?
anybody who reads quasar should know this,there is only one other member on these boards that lied about it and when asked about it he threw a tantrum and tried to lie for 3 pages in another thread so lets us all know what you mean,i have even given you some way out by giving you some examples

Originally posted by starlock
Show me where quasar had cosmic awareness in the infinity war saga? he had it for maybe two issues during the cosmos in collision arch way before the infinity war storyline,please explain what possesed means? in the past? while he was using the un? eppy had it so since quasar is in contact with eppy that in a sense he had posession?
anybody who reads quasar should know this,there is only one other member on these boards that lied about it and when asked about it he threw a tantrum and tried to lie for 3 pages in another thread so lets us all know what you mean,i have even given you some way out by giving you some examples

Sorry I just toke it for granted that when he had that before the IG then I assumed that he also had it at that point of time my badge.

And oh DON'T CALL ME A LIAR

thats all

Originally posted by Utrigita
Sorry I just toke it for granted that when he had that before the IG then I assumed that he also had it at that point of time my badge.

And oh DON'T CALL ME A LIAR

thats all

Now what would you have told another poster who did the same?

i would think one would know what they are talking about when debating,so not sure about what is says about your debating when your assuming

I call it like i see it,sorry you assumed somthing that another poster lied about and it just shows how much goes into what people say and whats actually in a comic

Originally posted by starlock
Now what would you have told another poster who did the same?

i would think one would know what they are talking about when debating,so not sure about what is says about your debating when your assuming

I call it like i see it,sorry you assumed somthing that another poster lied about and it just shows how much goes into what people say and whats actually in a comic

Please tell them like it is. They know damned well Quasar firing the UN at the magus isn't the same thing at all as Reed resetting the multiverse with it. They can try to connect the two all they want. If quasar had comsic awareness like they say, he would have known that the magus was gonna turn the energy back upon him.

Socks are amazing.

Get off the D*ck already dogs, you will never get to touch this. (not you Nvr)


Anyways, back on topic,


Who cares if Quasar had Cosmic Awareness or NOT!


Reed withOUT Cosmic Awareness erased and remade the Multiverse.


Quasar's mind,

even if at the moment he used the UN was not Cosmically attuned means little.

Quasar has spanned the Multiverse and BEYOND,

I'm absolutely CERTAIN,

with or withOUT Awareness his mind is FAR beyond Reed's in terms of knowing the Cosmos.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Socks are amazing.

Get off the D*ck already dogs, you will never get to touch this. (not you Nvr)


Anyways, back on topic,


Who cares if Quasar had Cosmic Awareness or NOT!


Reed withOUT Cosmic Awareness erased and remade the Multiverse.


Quasar's mind,

even if at the moment he used the UN was not Cosmically attuned means little.

Quasar has spanned the Multiverse and BEYOND,

I'm absolutely CERTAIN,

with or withOUT Awareness his mind is FAR beyond Reed's in terms of knowing the Cosmos.

NOT really. It was REED's mind that figured out a machine that utterly wtf pwned the cosmics including event he LT. Quasar would never be able to figure something like that out. I doubt anyone but REED could have. Even in DC with exception to Metron or Viking. REED outclasses quasar even with cosmic awareness.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NOT really. It was REED's mind that figured out a machine that utterly wtf pwned the cosmics including event he LT.

Reed NEVER, and I mean NEVER has ever affected the LT directly in anyway.

The LT defeated himself,

don't get it twisted, and it was still PIS!


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
REED outclasses quasar even with cosmic awareness.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Reed NEVER, and I mean NEVER has ever affected the LT directly in anyway.

The LT defeated himself,

don't get it twisted, and it was still PIS!





Sorry you disagree. But Reed is alive and Quasar is dead. Who's smarter? And Reed had godhood and was able to simply give it up. Unlike even adam worlock. Reed working the UN is far superior to quasar working it. And since they were doing quite differnt things, one can NEVER say the IG is superior to the UN when being used in a multiversal fashion. That is pure fan boy ism at it's worst.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Sorry you disagree. But Reed is alive and Quasar is dead. Who's smarter? And Reed had godhood and was able to simply give it up. Unlike even adam worlock. Reed working the UN is far superior to quasar working it. And since they were doing quite differnt things, one can NEVER say the IG is superior to the UN when being used in a multiversal fashion.

That is pure fan boy ism at it's worst.

I suppose them I should blame you for your Marvel cluelessness.


Whatever you say dude.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Socks are amazing.

Get off the D*ck already dogs, you will never get to touch this. (not you Nvr)


Anyways, back on topic,


Who cares if Quasar had Cosmic Awareness or NOT!


Reed withOUT Cosmic Awareness erased and remade the Multiverse.


Quasar's mind,

even if at the moment he used the UN was not Cosmically attuned means little.

Quasar has spanned the Multiverse and BEYOND,

I'm absolutely CERTAIN,

with or withOUT Awareness his mind is FAR beyond Reed's in terms of knowing the Cosmos.

"Who cares if Quasar had Cosmic Awareness or NOT!"- when its a falsehood and an assumption or a lie as in your case, it does matter,it shows what kind of debaters on on these boards and which ones are to be trusted or respected when they try and prove a point in a debate

You mean let people assume?lie? when debating,your going back to your old ways hehe

Lets have posters say things that are not true,is that what you want?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Socks are amazing.
Just bought a new pair myself. Pretty comfortable.

Originally posted by starlock
"Who cares if Quasar had Cosmic Awareness or NOT!"- when its a falsehood and an assumption or a lie as in your case, it does matter,

it shows what kind of debaters on on these boards and which ones are to be trusted or respected when they try and prove a point in a debate

You mean let people assume?lie? when debating,your going back to your old ways hehe

Lets have posters say things that are not true,is that what you want?

"When you mess with the Bull, you get the Horns"


Remember this SOCK?
Originally posted by starlock
MR Master
"Here is Onslaught WITHOUT Nate's or Franklin's Powers, in Astral Form:


Onslaught crushing and snuffing out the Phoenix Force like a measly candle"

(he then shows scans of an encounter in the astral plane)

Phoenix is overrated:

So Thanos_thotu tell me he was not misrepresenting the scans just to put down the phoenix,so what did the battle consist of? did jean as a host of the phoenix force fight onslaught?

You might be slick and say yes onslaught defeated phoenix,and then what? say that it was jeans call sign? Mr Master said what he said and lied,so much for the top of the fact finders around here

heres the link
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/430557_3-dark-phoenix-vs-onslaught

Now go ahead and defend Mr Masters,i would love to hear this


Thank you so very much for this Link:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/430557_3-dark-phoenix-vs-onslaught


This Proves how much of a SOCK you truly are. (sincerely)

I hope the Mods see this so you can get Banned once and for all.



I lied about nothing in that thread,

I said Phoenix got snuffed out by Onslaught in the ASTRAL FORM,

and so it was.



Besides that, at that time 7 MONTHS Ago, I got those Scans from Estacado,

I hadn't even read that issue at THAT Time,


Estacado even Posted right beneath my Post saying,

"WHERE is MY CREDIT?" (For the SCANS)



This SO Funny. hysterical

(You thought you had something and instead you BURY Yourself in your own shit)



All that Link Proves is that you been swinging on my nuts hardcore SOCK Style,

for Months, just like I stated last week.



7 MONTHS Ago and on that same page in that LINK YOU provided:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/430557_3-dark-phoenix-vs-onslaught

You're still Trolling after me,


I INVITE EVERYONE to go to the Link provided by this Starlock,

go and witness a True SOCK at work,

(Nov. of 06' and this guy was THEN and is STILL bashing my name) pathetic.

That's when I first noticed he was IN Love with me.





I can't believe you played yourself so lovely. This is glorious.


Hope my forum brothers and sisters take the time to see you for what you are.

Now go run along my boy, and do what you do, Hate ,Hate, Hate ...

you have no other puropose here.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Socks are amazing.

Get off the D*ck already dogs, you will never get to touch this. (not you Nvr)


Anyways, back on topic,


Who cares if Quasar had Cosmic Awareness or NOT!


Reed withOUT Cosmic Awareness erased and remade the Multiverse.


Quasar's mind,

even if at the moment he used the UN was not Cosmically attuned means little.

Quasar has spanned the Multiverse and BEYOND,

I'm absolutely CERTAIN,

with or withOUT Awareness his mind is FAR beyond Reed's in terms of knowing the Cosmos.
Q might know other universes and that a multiverse exists.
but that does not meen he understands the way thay work.
reed is leaps and bounds above Q in terms of undstanding the way the multiverse works.
its reed! not some mindless goon hes the smartest man on earth!!

Originally posted by Mr Master
"When you mess with the Bull, you get the Horns"


Remember this SOCK?



Thank you so very much for this Link:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/430557_3-dark-phoenix-vs-onslaught


This Proves how much of a SOCK you truly are. (sincerely)

I hope the Mods see this so you can get Banned once and for all.



I lied about nothing in that thread,

I said Phoenix got snuffed out by Onslaught in the ASTRAL FORM,

and so it was.



Besides that, at that time 7 MONTHS Ago, I got those Scans from Estacado,

I hadn't even read that issue at THAT Time,


Estacado even Posted right beneath my Post saying,

"WHERE is MY CREDIT?" (For the SCANS)



This SO Funny. hysterical

(You thought you had something and instead you BURY Yourself in your own shit)



All that Link Proves is that you been swinging on my nuts hardcore SOCK Style,

for Months, just like I stated last week.



7 MONTHS Ago and on that same page in that LINK YOU provided:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/430557_3-dark-phoenix-vs-onslaught

You're still Trolling after me,


I INVITE EVERYONE to go to the Link provided by this Starlock,

go and witness a True SOCK at work,

(Nov. of 06' and this guy was THEN and is STILL bashing my name) pathetic.

That's when I first noticed he was IN Love with me.





I can't believe you played yourself so lovely. This is glorious.


Hope my forum brothers and sisters take the time to see you for what you are.

Now go run along my boy, and do what you do, Hate ,Hate, Hate ...

you have no other puropose here.

You said Phoenix Force or dont you read your own words,
and admiting you did not read the issue,another pitifull example of your debating skills
your only helping me show that in that case your hatred of the phoenix makes you lie..

Oh and please everyone check out the link,you think people dont know your mistakes and lies,and please mods look at me and Mr Master i cant wait for this

Originally posted by Mr Master
"When you mess with the Bull, you get the Horns"


Remember this SOCK?



Thank you so very much for this Link:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/430557_3-dark-phoenix-vs-onslaught


This Proves how much of a SOCK you truly are. (sincerely)

I hope the Mods see this so you can get Banned once and for all.



I lied about nothing in that thread,

I said Phoenix got snuffed out by Onslaught in the ASTRAL FORM,

and so it was.



Besides that, at that time 7 MONTHS Ago, I got those Scans from Estacado,

I hadn't even read that issue at THAT Time,


Estacado even Posted right beneath my Post saying,

"WHERE is MY CREDIT?" (For the SCANS)



This SO Funny. hysterical

(You thought you had something and instead you BURY Yourself in your own shit)



All that Link Proves is that you been swinging on my nuts hardcore SOCK Style,

for Months, just like I stated last week.



7 MONTHS Ago and on that same page in that LINK YOU provided:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/430557_3-dark-phoenix-vs-onslaught

You're still Trolling after me,


I INVITE EVERYONE to go to the Link provided by this Starlock,

go and witness a True SOCK at work,

(Nov. of 06' and this guy was THEN and is STILL bashing my name) pathetic.

That's when I first noticed he was IN Love with me.





I can't believe you played yourself so lovely. This is glorious.


Hope my forum brothers and sisters take the time to see you for what you are.

Now go run along my boy, and do what you do, Hate ,Hate, Hate ...

you have no other puropose here.

its way off topic but it does show you misrepresenting that scan.
which you admit your self by saying you had not read the issue at the time.
cosmic flame questioned you about it but you just decided to post scans deflecting the question.
it was an astral representation that onslaught made him self and then crushed to try and get jean to become phoenix again.

Originally posted by starlock
You said Phoenix Force or dont you read your own words,
and admiting you did not read the issue,another pitifull example of your debating skills
your only helping me show that in that case your hatred of the phoenix makes you lie..

Oh and please everyone check out the link,you think people dont know your mistakes and lies,and please mods look at me and Mr Master i cant wait for this

blahblah

Add something of consequence to the debate,

or be gone,

or continue Socking.


Whatever, you're meaningless,

I don't know why I allowed you to draw me into your purpose on kmc.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
its way off topic but it does show you misrepresenting that scan.
which you admit your self by saying you had not read the issue at the time.
cosmic flame questioned you about it but you just decided to post scans deflecting the question.
it was an astral representation that onslaught made him self and then crushed to try and get jean to become phoenix again.




Dude, go back and notice I CLEARLY stated that to be taking place in the Astral Form.

It's true I didn't read the issue at the time,

but I was RIGHT anyway, just like Estacado was right when he posted them.



The only thing I was wrong about was the Quasar and UN bit.

I admitted to that once I realized I was Wrong.

WHAT?

I can't be wrong?

I'm not a program you know, this is an actual person talking to you.

I make mistakes too, but Lies?

NEVER!

Originally posted by xjustice69x
its way off topic but it does show you misrepresenting that scan.
which you admit your self by saying you had not read the issue at the time.
cosmic flame questioned you about it but you just decided to post scans deflecting the question.
it was an astral representation that onslaught made him self and then crushed to try and get jean to become phoenix again.

Originally posted by starlock


From one to another.

Originally posted by Mr Master



Dude, go back and notice I CLEARLY stated that to be taking place in the Astral Form.

It's true I didn't read the issue at the time,

but I was RIGHT anyway, just like Estacado was right when he posted them.

Did you mention it was a representation onslaught created or did you mean to fool people into thinking even on the astral plane onslaught can crush the phoenix force?

I thought so

Originally posted by Mr Master



Dude, go back and notice I CLEARLY stated that to be taking place in the Astral Form.

It's true I didn't read the issue at the time,

but I was RIGHT anyway, just like Estacado was right when he posted them.
yes but astral form denotes that its an avitar of the phoenix. when it was realy just an illusion created by onslaught for the purpose of manipulation.
thats a big difference when you are trying to use it as a low showing for the phoenix

Originally posted by Mr Master



Dude, go back and notice I CLEARLY stated that to be taking place in the Astral Form.

It's true I didn't read the issue at the time,

but I was RIGHT anyway, just like Estacado was right when he posted them.



The only thing I was wrong about was the Quasar and UN bit.

I admitted to that once I realized I was Wrong.

WHAT?

I can't be wrong?

I'm not a program you know, this is an actual person talking to you.

I make mistakes too, but Lies?

NEVER!

the quasar incident you argued for three pages trying to say you were not wrong, and you tried to rephrase your own words for three pages
i can find the link if needed

Originally posted by xjustice69x
yes but astral form denotes that its an avitar of the phoenix. when it was realy just an illusion created by onslaught for the purpose of manipulation.
thats a big difference when you are trying to use it as a low showing for the phoenix

Originally posted by xjustice69x
yes but astral form denotes that its an avitar of the phoenix. when it was realy just an illusion created by onslaught for the purpose of manipulation.
thats a big difference when you are trying to use it as a low showing for the phoenix

Again,

I hadn't read the issue at the time,

I never lied about anything.


That will be all.

Originally posted by starlock
the quasar incident you argued for three pages trying to say you were not wrong, and you tried to rephrase your own words for three pages
i can find the link if needed

Do what you do,

HATE!

I could care less ... this is beneath me,

Instead of debating your mission is to swallow my children,

but I promise you, you will never taste my essence.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Again,

I hadn't read the issue at the time,

I never lied about anything.


That will be all.
cool i just wanted to make sure we are on the same page. and wont be seeing that scan again as a low point for the phoenix

Mr Master said

"I told you this before and you're still saying it dogs.

Quasar has Cosmic Consciousness, as in Universal Awareness granted to him by Eon.

If anything Qusar should be able to Manipulate the UN better than Reed.

This actually gives the IG even a better painted picture, cause an Incomplete IG Owned like nothing a Universally Aware being wielding the UN."
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/443836_37-the-power-of-one-whole-universe-vs-the-living-tribunal

Theres the link you not only said it to win a point in your debate but for pages you try and squirm out of it instead of admiting you were wrong,which you only did in this thread, mistake? lie? with your track record its not looking good for you

Originally posted by Mr Master
Do what you do,

HATE!

I could care less ... this is beneath me,

Instead of debating your mission is to swallow my children,

but I promise you, you will never taste my essence.

How discusting of you,dont you have manners? you have the habit of describing your anatomy and your filth is just an indication of your nature to lie and mislead...so sad for you

Originally posted by starlock
Mr Master said

"I told you this before and you're still saying it dogs.

Quasar has Cosmic Consciousness, as in Universal Awareness granted to him by Eon.

If anything Qusar should be able to Manipulate the UN better than Reed.

This actually gives the IG even a better painted picture, cause an Incomplete IG Owned like nothing a Universally Aware being wielding the UN."
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/443836_37-the-power-of-one-whole-universe-vs-the-living-tribunal

Theres the link you not only said it to win a point in your debate but for pages you try and squirm out of it instead of admiting you were wrong,which you only did in this thread, mistake? lie? with your track record its not looking good for you

Yes, yes

The Sock continues to exercise his pupose in KMC.

Oh big whoopi fkn doo,

I was wrong,

Oh my Mr Master wrong? runforhills

Come on what kind of a child are you?

Get a life you Troll.


I would've debated not 3 pages but for 20 pages until conclusive proof proved me wrong.

In the end I was wrong, AND?

AND? AND?



GO away now boo boo.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
cool i just wanted to make sure we are on the same page. and wont be seeing that scan again as a low point for the phoenix

I've never posted that scan again after understanding it's meaning.

Mr Master
"Hey it's the well informed mr WIKI,


Quasar was able to tap into Cosmic Awareness during Infinity War.

GO READ COMICS, stop relying on Wiki."


Mr Master

"TAPS" "HAD" "POSSESSED" whatever the term you prefer, I'm still saying the same thing.

During Infinity War, Quasar had Cosmic Consciousness, period.

I NEVER said Quasar USED his Cosmic Consciousness during Infinity War, so you're LYING about that.


See in a vain attempt at again besmirching my name,

you've fallen into your own trap you tried to set me in.

You clown, be gone now, I tire of you"

Mr Master

"You're the LIAR silly child.

I NEVER said Quasar used Cosmic Consciousness to wiled the UN, NEVER.

I challenge you to find the post.


I said Quasar had Cosmic Consciousness during the Infinity War.

He has to activate it to become Universally Aware.


I'm sure the last thing Quasar wanted was to be Universally attuned to everything while wielding the UN.


So sorry homie, you loose again and again and again"


Does that sound like debating to anybody? or a desperate attempt to cover a lie,

Where are the horns now heheheh

Originally posted by starlock
Mr Master
"Hey it's the well informed mr WIKI,


Quasar was able to tap into Cosmic Awareness during Infinity War.

GO READ COMICS, stop relying on Wiki."


Mr Master

"TAPS" "HAD" "POSSESSED" whatever the term you prefer, I'm still saying the same thing.

During Infinity War, Quasar had Cosmic Consciousness, period.

I NEVER said Quasar USED his Cosmic Consciousness during Infinity War, so you're LYING about that.


See in a vain attempt at again besmirching my name,

you've fallen into your own trap you tried to set me in.

You clown, be gone now, I tire of you"

Mr Master

"You're the LIAR silly child.

I NEVER said Quasar used Cosmic Consciousness to wiled the UN, NEVER.

I challenge you to find the post.


I said Quasar had Cosmic Consciousness during the Infinity War.

He has to activate it to become Universally Aware.


I'm sure the last thing Quasar wanted was to be Universally attuned to everything while wielding the UN.


So sorry homie, you loose again and again and again"


Does that sound like debating to anybody? or a desperate attempt to cover a lie,

Where are the horns now heheheh
I think it's funny that one can try to compare the UN waaay back when, being used on a single target, to a more powerful UN resetting the multiverse by a differnt, smarter, person. That is like trying to say that galactus from the 60's is the same one from today. NOT.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I think it's funny that one can try to compare the UN waaay back when, being used on a single target, to a more powerful UN resetting the multiverse by a differnt, smarter, person. That is like trying to say that galactus from the 60's is the same one from today. NOT.

It is what it is.

Anyways

we should get back on topic, and ignore the S--- ... no comment.

But seriously folks,

LT wins.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It is what it is.

And what is it? its your attempt to place your opinion as law and your opinion is worth nothing as we have seen on these boards,spread your filth somwhere else

Originally posted by starlock
And what is it? its your attempt to place your opinion as law and your opinion is worth nothing as we have seen on these boards,spread your filth somwhere else

You STILL Socking?

I don't think we've had the displeasure of knowing a more determined Troll.

Make your own Cosmic thread,

and see how many views and replies you get,

then we'll see who's worthless around here.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You STILL Socking?

I don't think we've had the displeasure of knowing a more determined Troll.

Make your onw Hierarchy thread,

and see how many views and replies you get,

then we'll see who's worthless around here.

Sorry i would not be as arrogant as you to make a thread like that,it is a joke as are most of your words,popularity means nothing as does your opinion,keep it up you might make another fan of yours applaude you for your eforts

Hey mr master where does your filthy lying mouth fit in on your hierarchy list

Originally posted by starlock
Sorry i would not be as arrogant as you to make a thread like that,it is a joke as are most of your words,popularity means nothing as does your opinion,keep it up you might make another fan of yours applaude you for your eforts

Hey mr master where does your filthy lying mouth fit in on your hierarchy list

Still not saying anything of value,

just spewing the same old garbage of hate.


Next insulting Post gets Reported.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Do what you do,

HATE!

I could care less ... this is beneath me,

Instead of debating your mission is to swallow my children,

but I promise you, you will never taste my essence.

Thats ok i reported you for this,lets see who wins this round

Originally posted by starlock
Thats ok i reported you for this,

Good.

As soon as I'm contacted by a Mod,

I will take him to the instigating PostS that started this shit
Originally posted by starlock
there is only one other member on these boards that lied about it and when asked about it

he threw a tantrum and tried to lie for 3 pages in another thread

Originally posted by starlock
I call it like i see it,

sorry you assumed somthing that another poster lied about

That's the meaning of a Sock,

bringing shit up that's been dealt with just to try and besmirch the name of another poster. (Unprovoked)

Originally posted by starlock
lets see who wins this round

I knew you saw this waste of space and time as a debate.


look at you,

"lets see who wins this round"



You kidding me?

This wasn't a competition of any sort, a debate or discussion,

this is just a persistent Trolling Sock, doing what he's meant to do,

that is, to Troll around and be a Sock.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Good.



I knew you saw this waste of space and time as a debate.


look at you,

"lets see who wins this round"



You kidding me?

This wasn't a competition of any sort, a debate or discussion,

this is just a persistent Trolling Sock, doing what he's meant to do,

that is, to Troll around and be a Sock.


Sorry your not that important,i have posted in many threads,i am sure mods see that. i am always polite and understanding, i am sure they see that to, what about you? your language is filth you insult and try and lie and mislead, i am sure they see that to,i can go way back in these threads and show what a filthy mouth you have on a versus board ,previous descriptions of your anatomy and more, grow up

Originally posted by starlock
Sorry your not that important,i have posted in many threads,i am sure mods see that. i am always polite and understanding, i am sure they see that to, what about you? your language is filth you insult and try and lie and mislead, i am sure they see that to,i can go way back in these threads and show what a filthy mouth you have on a versus board ,previous descriptions of your anatomy and more, grow up

stfu2

Originally posted by starlock
Sorry your not that important,i have posted in many threads,i am sure mods see that. i am always polite and understanding, i am sure they see that to, what about you? your language is filth you insult and try and lie and mislead, i am sure they see that to,i can go way back in these threads and show what a filthy mouth you have on a versus board ,previous descriptions of your anatomy and more, grow up

LOl you sound like me so many months ago when Mr. master used to bother me. I understand his need to always be right and the stroking of his ego that comes from the legions of his "fans" who see pretty pictures and take his words for law with no accountability from him or no actual critical thought in what he presents as steak when it's actually salted pork. lol. Let him be. Sometimes he debates well, sometimes he doesn't. just accept it and move on.