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Which is the strongest or most destructive or most versatile ?



In what order from least deadliest to most deadliest ?


DISCUSS

In terms of most powerful...


IMO,

Chaos Wave
UN/God Wave





Annihilation Wave.

Originally posted by Galan007
In terms of most powerful...


IMO,

Chaos Wave
UN/God Wave





Annihilation Wave.



I know nothing of the God Wave, what has it done?

What has Chaos Wave and God Wave done ?


I already know about UN and AW

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
What has Chaos Wave and God Wave done ?


I already know about UN and AW

The Chaos Wave was collapsing the Omniverse, it took out "countless UniverseS"

before it was stopped by sealing a breach in the fabric of Time and Space.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I know nothing of the God Wave, what has it done? It sorta reminds me of the Chaos Wave, ...


A single being can release it, but this same being cannot control it's full power, and there is very little that can stop it's spread.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Chaos Wave was collapsing the Omniverse, it took out "countless UniverseS"

before it was stopped by sealing a breach in the fabric of Time and Space.


Where did it come from, and who created it ?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Where did it come from, and who created it ? The Scarlet Witch, was responsible for creating it...

.

Originally posted by Galan007
In terms of most powerful...


IMO,

Chaos Wave
UN/God Wave





Annihilation Wave.

Id place the Chaos Wave third but i agree with equalising the G Wave with the UN.

The threat of the Chaos wave is easily stopped by cutting it off at its source (a dimensional tear)

On top of that if a global level elemental(Meggan) can halt its progress then many a cosmic can if they are aware of it.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4911350329.jpg

The chaos wave did so much damage because it attacked the structure of reality, it eroded the dimensional wall causing it to collapse. Its akin to removing the keystone from a bridge and then all around it topples. It wasnt a direct assault at the universe and all within and if it is detected, as we saw it can be easily stopped.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360515.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360544.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360620.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360684.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360657.jpg

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Id place the Chaos Wave third but i agree with equalising the G Wave with the UN.

The threat of the Chaos wave is easily stopped by cutting it off at its source (a dimensional tear)

On top of that if a global level elemental(Meggan) can halt its progress then many a cosmic can if they are aware of it.

The chaos wave did so much damage because it attacked the structure of reality, it eroded the dimensional wall causing it to collapse. Its akin to removing the keystone from a bridge and then all around it topples. It wasnt a direct assault at the universe and all within and if it is detected, as we saw it can be easily stopped.

Dude,

your constant attempt at demeaning every other Feat that does not involve Phoenix is pathetic.

Originally posted by Galan007
The Scarlet Witch, was responsible for creating it...

.

Right on, that correct Gman.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Dude,

your constant attempt at demeaning every other Feat that does not involve Phoenix is pathetic.

Not demeaning. De-hyping. What im saying isnt lies, isnt groundless(they're backed up by on panel evidence) therefore im totally entitled and justified in presenting my points.

If i was just presenting a contrary opinion with no evidence to back it up you'd have a point.

Whats really pathetic is your attempt to hype up mediocrity in an effort to place as many people above Phoenix in your deluded hierarchy as you can.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not demeaning. De-hyping. What im saying isnt lies, isnt groundless(they're backed up by on panel evidence) therefore im totally entitled and justified in presenting my points.

If i was just presenting a contrary opinion with no evidence to back it up you'd have a point.Whats really pathetic is your attempt to hype up mediocrity in an effort to place as many people above Phoenix in your deluded hierarchy as you can.

blahblah

Ahh, shut up.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Right on, that correct Gman.

He is right. Scarlet Witch was responsible for its creation, but it was indirectly, as stated she created a dimensional tear through warping Earth and as a result the Chaos Wave emerged.

Not something she directly and consciously created, just something she created as a result of doing something else. As it wasnt powered by her, as it wasnt maintained or controlled by her, it and all it did arent feats of hers.

Originally posted by Mr Master
blahblah

Ahh, shut up.

Your response speaks volumes.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He is right. Scarlet Witch was responsible for its creation, but it was indirectly, as stated she created a dimensional tear through warping Earth and as a result the Chaos Wave emerged.

Not something she directly and consciously created, just something she created as a result of doing something else. As it wasnt powered by her, as it wasnt maintained or controlled by her, it and all it did arent feats of hers.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your response speaks volumes.

blabla Then again.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Id place the Chaos Wave third but i agree with equalising the G Wave with the UN.

The threat of the Chaos wave is easily stopped by cutting it off at its source (a dimensional tear)

On top of that if a global level elemental(Meggan) can halt its progress then many a cosmic can if they are aware of it.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4911350329.jpg

The chaos wave did so much damage because it attacked the structure of reality, it eroded the dimensional wall causing it to collapse. Its akin to removing the keystone from a bridge and then all around it topples. It wasnt a direct assault at the universe and all within and if it is detected, as we saw it can be easily stopped.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360515.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360544.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360620.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360684.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360657.jpg
Sounds reasonable, after all how could Wanda create such power, it just seems beyond her capacity.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Sounds reasonable, after all how could Wanda create such power, it just seems beyond her capacity. But.... But.... But......... She's an Omega Mutant! durfist

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Sounds reasonable, after all how could Wanda create such power, it just seems beyond her capacity.

dontgetit

Originally posted by Galan007
It sorta reminds me of the Chaos Wave, ...


A single being can release it, but this same being cannot control it's full power, and there is very little that can stop it's spread.

Has it ever been shown on panel doing its thing?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Has it ever been shown on panel doing its thing?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Sounds reasonable, after all how could Wanda create such power,

it just seems beyond her capacity.


Wanda was the CAUSE of the Chaos Wave, that Roma could Not Ascertain

Wanda was Generating the Chaos Wave.



Wanda Remade the 616 Reality

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again"
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg





Wanda was Driving the Chaos Wave into other Realities, like when it hit OtherWorld
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/9890/w1eb1.th.jpg
"it is the End ... of ALL that is ... of ALL that will Ever be"

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/9553/w2hq1.th.jpg




THIS SAME Chaos Wave brought back Jaspers 616 from another Plane of Reality
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5383/w8xw6.th.jpg



THIS SAME Chaos Wave is referred to as "Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp" in the Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe v5 2006.




In THREE separate Bios



1. "During the Scarlet Witch's 'House of M' Reality Warp, Jaspers Reformed alive merged with the Fury"
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1703/w9kr2.th.jpg
(excerpt from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe)




2. "Mad Jim Jaspers has also returned, brought back to life by the Scarlet Witch's recent Reality Warp"
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8717/w10rk2.th.jpg

And as I presented above, it was the Chaos Wave that manifested Jaspers 616 from another Plane. (he was dead)




3. Wanda gave Layla the power to "Perceive Divergent Realities"
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/5967/w10ej7.th.jpg

"Layla showed Cage glimpses of his life prior to the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp"

"We are witnessing a Trans-Temporal Tsunami, ORIGINATING from Earth 616

apparently there has been a Alteration of global proportions that has Breached the Walls of Causality"

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/7540/sc7qm2.th.jpg

there's a "Breach in the Walls of Causality"...

that was caused by a "global Alteration" ...

and there's a "Trans-Temporal Tsunami" going through the "Breach" into other Realities ...



The "Trans-Temporal Tsunami" is the Chaos Wave,



Now what's Causing that?


Roma has no idea what's CAUSING that, as she continues to say,

"the Localized Effects are so Severe, I am UNABLE to Ascertain the Cause"
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/979/62157068rw3.th.jpg

Hence the OHOTMU 2006, telling us it was the "Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp"



The "Trans-Temporal Tsunami" is coming from the 616 Reality,

guess what's happening in the 616 Reality?


"Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp"

More conclusive PROOF that the Chaos Wave was Wanda's Power.



(from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006 Saturnyne bio)
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/748/w1ka9.th.jpg
"She (Saturnyne) was later present on Otherworld when Dimension-616 was Engulfed

in the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp ...


Saturnyne showed little hesitation in suggesting destroying 616 to Prevent the Warp SPREADING"




Here is that scene On Panel,



Satynyne talking about the Chaos Wave or as the Official Bio puts it,

the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/223/15473921vq0.th.jpg
"Your Dimension is a Cancer, bringing Devastation to Branes ALL ALONG the SIDEREAL STRING ...

Sparing Yours condemns the REST"





"If the breach is not sealed, the Chaos Wave will continue to expand,

perhaps to the ASCENTION itself"
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9752/sc8bk1.th.jpg





Roma threatens to erase the 616 UNIVERSE in 48 hours,

if Captain Britain and company can't seal the (Chaos Wave) breach:
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4218/sc9vq6.th.jpg


Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp

Yet even more proof Wanda Warped the 616 Universe:



HoM Wanda Aftershock

With the line "No More mutants",

Wanda managed to shift Reality causing cracks across "ALL" Realities.

Allowing the Shadow King to slip back into the 616 universe.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3397/newexcalibur08page20ra5.th.jpg






Balasco from his Realm sees Two siblings (Magneto & Wanda)

"Force ALL of Reality to CHANGE"

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/2091/newxmenkryptoniawezz037vi5.th.jpg






"She changed the World once huh?"

"Yes, ... but She Altered ALL of Reality"

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8204/wandainmsmlq7.th.jpg

How does Scarlet Witch have the power to create this kind of weapon ?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
How does Scarlet Witch have the power to create this kind of weapon ? Pre-HOM, Wanda never displayed power of this magnitude..


Bottom line,

Marvel wanted to liquidate their Mutant population, so they used Wanda as a plot device to accomplish this.

Pre-HOM ?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Pre-HOM ? Before "House of M", .

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
How does Scarlet Witch have the power to create this kind of weapon ?

It's not really a weapon, it's just Wanda's Reality Altering Energies going out of control.

These energies were spewing out of Wanda subconsciously through a rift in 616.

They were breaking down the walls of causality inbetween UniverseS, collapsing them.

maye I forgot something but wasn't meggan harnessing some of the powers from the beyonders? you know beings that can destroy and recreate the omniverse ore something like that?

un
gw
cw
aw

Ah, I see ...

Then obviously.

1. Chaos Wave
2. Ultimate Nullifier
3. Annihiliation Wave

What did the God Wave do, was it the one Diana had?
- Scan's?

The way I understand it, Cronos with the God Wave busted through the gates of Heaven and all the way to the Presence itself.

Dunno, though.

The chaos wave which leaked across into other dimensions is referred to as the Scarlet Witchs reality warp because she was the one responsible for it, it was her actions which brought it about. That is made clear on panel. The fact that it is referred to as the Scarlet Witchs reality warp in the bios IS NOT evidence that she generated it directly or that she controlled it when ON PANEL she has no knowledge of it, makes no mention of it and its actually stated it was caused by a dimensional tear. The handbooks complement what occurs on panel, they are not a substitute for an on panel account. On panel you are completely unsupported. As such you or anyone are completely unjustified in presenting it as something that is within her repertoire to just conjure up to use as a weapon.


As stated by Roma the wave was caused by the dimensional tear:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018233635.jpg

apparently
A adverb
1 obviously, evidently, manifestly, patently, apparently, plainly

http://www.wordreference.com/definition/apparently

i.e theres a trans temporal tsunami, so quite clearly there has been an alteration thats breached the dimensional walls.

She gives the reason for the chaos waves existence as being the dimensional tear that the Scarlet Witch unknowingly caused.

NOWHERE in the House of M main title is the chaos wave mentioned. In no comic title ever or any official publication ever is the Scarlet Witch shown to have directly generated, let alone controlled the dimensional wall eroding phenomenon that was the chaos wave.

NOWHERE in 616 is the Scarlet Witchs reality warping powers shown to manifest as a dimensional wall eroding anomaly. In 616 her powers allowed her to reshape the Earth to fit her vision. The chaos wave didnt alter causalitys laws to bring about someones vision, it eroded dimensional walls causing the reality within to collapse into chaos, causing nothing to make sense:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4911350329.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4911594096.jpg

The wave was of a different nature to the Scarlet Witchs manifestation of power in 616 and it had a different effect on reality.

Unless you can show a chaos wave-like manifestation in 616 during house of M generated by Wanda which did the same things as the chaos wave and was of the same scale, then you are once again completely unjustified in presenting the wave as something Wanda is capable of generating directly and controlling when:

a) Its of a different nature to her manifestations of power in 616 and had different affects

b) Its not mentioned in any Marvel publication as being directly generated or controlled by Wanda ( The Chaos Wave being called Wandas reality warp in a handbook as aforementioned is insufficient as it can simply be referring to the fact that she brought it about which IS the case)


c) Roma the omniversal guardian actually states that the Chaos Wave was clearly the result of a global alteration ripping a hole in 616's dimensional wall.

With all that in mind whilst the wave was brought about by Scarlet Witch as a side effect of her reality warping in 616 as illustrated clearly by Roma, there is no evidence on panel that she could generate the wave at will to use as a weapon. Also even if she could the wave was only a threat if it was allowed to run riot. If confronted it could easily be stopped by merely closing the dimensional tear that spawned the wave:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360540.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360515.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360544.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360620.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360684.jpg

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018360657.jpg

As such wielding the wave certainly doesnt make someone above the abstracts as when confronted directly it takes far less than abstract level power to stop it and it certainly doesnt make Wanda beyond the abstracts not only for that reason, but also because theres no evidence she generated it directly or controlled it anyway.

Originally posted by Mr Master




Wanda Remade the 616 Reality

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again"
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg



The second time she warped reality is in reference to the "No More Mutants" event. That was her warping reality for the second time, ending house of M but reverting reality to its previous status with the exception of a dramatically reduced mutant population.

In those same Exiles issues it was stated as i've shown that the amount of reality 616 that she warped was actually just the Earth.

Exiles 72

"The House of M reality has once again been revised. The Exiles were forced to withdraw leaving Beak and Angel to face, whatever fate has befallen EARTH 616"

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4914224436.jpg


This global scale reference came AFTER your scan and it highlights how ambiguous your "reality 616" quote is. The amount of reality 616 isnt defined in your scan from Exiles 71. It is a statement open to interpretation, understand that. My scan from Exiles 72 verifies what interpretation is correct, she directly applied GLOBAL changes.




Reality 616 was engulfed by Wandas reality warp. Its just a shame for your argument that it was only Earth 616 as defined by the Exiles comics your scans come from and by Roma the omniversal guardian with her reference to a "global alteration" That same instance is the one the handbook refers to when it says "dimension 616 was engulfed" and on panel, the reality warp was stated to be global. Your evidence provides the locale, mine the scale directly affected.

Thanks to your habit of reposting all i need do is post a link to your own thread in which i swatted aside a virtually identical Wanda HOM argument quite thoroughly:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/425758_36-everything-cosmic-in-marvel-the-hierarchy-battles-feats-q-a-scans-galore

On top of that saying "all of reality" is an ambiguous, inconclusive statement and unless defined by conclusive art or further description cant be used as conclusive evidence to prove your point, when it itself is inconclusive.

All of reality for what? Wheres the defined scale. We know she didnt warp the entire multiverse, yet the lines so ambiguous someone without knowledge of the event could interpret it so.

All of the universe? That line can be interpreted so and yet no scale is determined so that too is not definitive and still a possibility.

All of Earths reality? Another possibility as the sentence has no scale, however when you look through continuity you can also see that the scale of the warp has been defined and various times on panel:

Uncanny X-men 462

Romas "global alteration"

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018233635.jpg

Exiles 70

"The WORLD burned white. Welcome to House of M"

"Earth 616 has been transformed while they were away"

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4914182984.jpg

Exiles 72

"The House of M reality has once again been revised. The Exiles were forced to withdraw leaving Beak and Angel to face, whatever fate has befallen EARTH 616"

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4914224436.jpg


Uncanny X-men 475:

"The Scarlet Witch lost her mind and used her mutant power to alter reality transforming the WORLD"


http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4913453063.jpg


Scale of the warp is defined as global and of being confined to the world, earth 616. No ambiguous open to interpretation "she transformed reality", "she did this to all reality" BULLSH*T

Show me a scan saying that she transformed the entire universe into House of M or this is pretty much done and dusted.

Another thread where the Chaos Wave issue was settled and Mr Master got a spanking something fierce can be reached via the following link:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/450401_2-hom-wanda-vs-mjj-vs-hyperstorm

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/442123_4-dark-phoenix-vs-hom-wanda

This enitre debate happened in this exact thread.

I think all of what GS shows there, and in this thread again, highlights his crippling self-confidence issues. I mean...GS, seriously. Do you have to beat your chest and shout "i won!!"? And, funnily enough, only you and only you are proclaiiming this fact.

I could understand if everyone was trumpetting this...ya know, everyone was going "OWNED!" but it's just you and it seems childish.

But, this entire argument happened in this thread everyone. Check it out.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/442123_4-dark-phoenix-vs-hom-wanda

This enitre debate happened in this exact thread.

I think all of what GS shows there, and in this thread again, highlights his crippling self-confidence issues. I mean...GS, seriously. Do you have to beat your chest and shout "i won!!"? And, funnily enough, only you and only you are proclaiiming this fact.

I could understand if everyone was trumpetting this...ya know, everyone was going "OWNED!" but it's just you and it seems childish.

But, this entire argument happened in this thread everyone. Check it out.

I have no issues im just highlighting the fact that this issue has already been argued to death, all of Mr Masters points have been countered and yet instead of waiting for new evidence to be published, or presenting a new argument based on stuff already out, hes reposting the same old argument i've already handled as opposed to actually countering some points.

Do you exist merely worship Mr M or during your time here do you actually debate?

I'd love to see you and Mr M have a one on one debate. Be an interesting and quite surprising thing to see.

Set your timers for the repost yawn

Originally posted by Nikkolas
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/442123_4-dark-phoenix-vs-hom-wanda

This enitre debate happened in this exact thread.

I think all of what GS shows there, and in this thread again, highlights his crippling self-confidence issues. I mean...GS, seriously. Do you have to beat your chest and shout "i won!!"? And, funnily enough, only you and only you are proclaiiming this fact.

I could understand if everyone was trumpetting this...ya know, everyone was going "OWNED!" but it's just you and it seems childish.

But, this entire argument happened in this thread everyone. Check it out.



Since back in the day he's been proclaiming his own victories,

even though bull shit was his forte:

2005

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/366709_1-phoenix-vs-anyone

Check out page 1, 2 and there's more bull shit through out,

This isn't some "ignorant joe" talking out his ass,

this guy gives you issue #s and the whole nine, and still bull shits ...


I particularly enjoyed the last page, where a respected current member spoke wisdom.

The God Wave is the most powerful by far. Able to conquer all the forces of heaven and be a threat to the Presence.

The Next most powerful is the UN. It's the most powerful Multiversal thing in Marvel next to the Heart of the Infinite.

The A wave reminds me of Crisis in a way. Positive universe encroaching upon the negative.

Lastly, Wanda's wave. It's has multiversal shaking power. But It didn't really bother the order of things in any signifigant way except on earth.

Originally posted by Mr Master


Since back in the day he's been proclaiming his own victories,

even though bull shit was his forte:

2005

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/366709_1-phoenix-vs-anyone

Check out page 1, 2 and there's more bull shit through out,

This isn't some "ignorant joe" talking out his ass,

this guy gives you issue #s and the whole nine, and still bull shits ...


I particularly enjoyed the last page, where a respected current member spoke wisdom.

As ever, attempt to discredit where you cant out debate.

Please try and tell me your opinions on all things marvel and dc have remained unchanged since when you first registered.

As i thought, now please tell us what you thought you'd achieve by bringing up a thread from 2 YEARS AGO?

"discredit where you cant out debate"

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The God Wave is the most powerful by far. Able to conquer all the forces of heaven and be a threat to the Presence.

So was the Chaos Wave.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Next most powerful is the UN. It's the most powerful Multiversal thing in Marvel next to the Heart of the Infinite.

The A wave reminds me of Crisis in a way. Positive universe encroaching upon the negative.

I don't know about the G Wave,

but I disagree with the rest.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Lastly, Wanda's wave. It's has multiversal shaking power.

But It didn't really bother the order of things in any signifigant way except on earth.

dontgetit

(This AFTER HOM)



With the line "No More mutants",

Wanda managed to shift Reality causing cracks across "ALL" Realities.

Allowing the Shadow King to slip back into the 616 universe.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3397/newexcalibur08page20ra5.th.jpg

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As ever, attempt to discredit where you cant out debate.

Please try and tell me your opinions on all things marvel and dc have remained unchanged since when you first registered.

As i thought, now please tell us what you thought you'd achieve by bringing up a thread from 2 YEARS AGO?

"discredit where you cant out debate"

It proves how long you been drowing us in bull shit ...

unbelievable, 2 years and still upto the same old tricks.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/366709_1-phoenix-vs-anyone

Last page sums it up pretty nicely.


Got CAUGHT, you phony.

Oh God, here we go again.....




But i agree the Choas wave is the shizzle. And wanda obviously causes it. Mr Masters scans can pretty much attest to that

In response to Mr Masters posting of that Excalibur scan, with regards to the Shadow King, a great post from the very intelligent and up and coming Symmetric Chaos:

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
To play devil's advocate the spatial size of the warp may have been planet sized but cross into various dimensions.

Also a fracture in one reality must lead somewhere so a fracture in 616 could easily have lead to the place SK was sealed.

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
Oh God, here we go again.....




But i agree the Choas wave is the shizzle. And wanda obviously causes it. Mr Masters scans can pretty much attest to that

Noones doubting she caused it, what im arguing is that she never did it directly, as stated by Roma it was the result of a tear Wanda unknowingly caused in the dimensional wall of 616, it is NOT as some would claim something she directly created and powered.

From what I remember you telling me, the God Wave reached Presence and just stopped....

Not really a "threat" I'd say.

Wasn't the god wave the thing that created The New gods like Darkseid and Highfather and the gods on earth?

Originally posted by superbatman86
Wasn't the god wave the thing that created The New gods like Darkseid and Highfather and the gods on earth?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Noones doubting she caused it, what im arguing is that she never did it directly, as stated by Roma it was the result of a tear Wanda unknowingly caused in the dimensional wall of 616, it is NOT as some would claim something she directly created and powered.

Thats true, but alot of what wanda has done has never been direct. She unkowingly created lyla millers power, alowed wolverine to remember his past, etc. Her powers are on a subconcious level, so she's was never really directly in control with alot of what she did to begin with (since dissasembled).

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
But i agree the Choas wave is the shizzle.

And wanda obviously causes it.

Mr Masters scans can pretty much attest to that

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
Thats true, but alot of what wanda has done has never been direct. She unkowingly created lyla millers power, alowed wolverine to remember his past, etc. Her powers are on a subconcious level, so she's was never really directly in control with alot of what she did to begin with (since dissasembled).

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
Thats true, but alot of what wanda has done has never been direct. She unkowingly created lyla millers power, alowed wolverine to remember his past, etc. Her powers are on a subconcious level, so she's was never really directly in control with alot of what she did to begin with (since dissasembled).

Theres a difference between your powers directly creating something without your conscious willing of it and accidentally ripping a hole in reality which itself results in something.

The former is a direct manifestation of her power, the latter is just something her power was a catalyst for.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Theres a difference between your powers directly creating something without your conscious willing of it and accidentally ripping a hole in reality which itself results in something.

The former is a direct manifestation of her power, the latter is just something her power was a catalyst for.

Gibberish.

Wanda created the Chaos Wave,

and Wanda fueled the Wave's momentum with her own power.

I proved it conclusively:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/453040_2-ultamate-nullifier-vs-annihilation-wave-vs-god-wave-vs-chaos-wave


Wanda's initial Reality Warp was Global, and then it expanded across the 616 Universe:

This is why it's clearly stated that the entire 616 Universe was Warped:



(from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006 Saturnyne bio)

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/748/w1ka9.th.jpg

"She (Saturnyne) was later present on Otherworld when Dimension-616 was Engulfed

in the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp ...


Saturnyne showed little hesitation in suggesting destroying 616 to Prevent the Warp SPREADING"




Here is that scene On Panel,



Satynyne talking about the Chaos Wave or as the Official Bio puts it,

the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/223/15473921vq0.th.jpg
"Your Dimension is a Cancer, bringing Devastation to Branes ALL ALONG the SIDEREAL STRING ...

Sparing Yours condemns the REST"






The NEXT time around Wanda Warps the 616 Universe entirely:



"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again"

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/7489/25824670nb5.th.jpg



"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"

http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5289/wanda3pi5.th.jpg



"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/355/wanda4iu5.th.jpg




Are we going to allow ourselves to be fooled?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The second time she warped reality is in reference to the "No More Mutants" event. That was her warping reality for the second time, ending house of M but reverting reality to its previous status with the exception of a dramatically reduced mutant population.

In those same Exiles issues it was stated as i've shown that the amount of reality 616 that she warped was actually just the Earth.

Exiles 72

"The House of M reality has once again been revised. The Exiles were forced to withdraw leaving Beak and Angel to face, whatever fate has befallen EARTH 616"

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4914224436.jpg


This global scale reference came AFTER your scan and it highlights how ambiguous your "reality 616" quote is. The amount of reality 616 isnt defined in your scan from Exiles 71. It is a statement open to interpretation, understand that. My scan from Exiles 72 verifies what interpretation is correct, she directly applied GLOBAL changes.




Reality 616 was engulfed by Wandas reality warp. Its just a shame for your argument that it was only Earth 616 as defined by the Exiles comics your scans come from and by Roma the omniversal guardian with her reference to a "global alteration" That same instance is the one the handbook refers to when it says "dimension 616 was engulfed" and on panel, the reality warp was stated to be global. Your evidence provides the locale, mine the scale directly affected.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thanks to your habit of reposting all i need do is post a link to your own thread in which i swatted aside a virtually identical Wanda HOM argument quite thoroughly:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/425758_36-everything-cosmic-in-marvel-the-hierarchy-battles-feats-q-a-scans-galore

On top of that saying "all of reality" is an ambiguous, inconclusive statement and unless defined by conclusive art or further description cant be used as conclusive evidence to prove your point, when it itself is inconclusive.

All of reality for what? Wheres the defined scale. We know she didnt warp the entire multiverse, yet the lines so ambiguous someone without knowledge of the event could interpret it so.

All of the universe? That line can be interpreted so and yet no scale is determined so that too is not definitive and still a possibility.

All of Earths reality? Another possibility as the sentence has no scale, however when you look through continuity you can also see that the scale of the warp has been defined and various times on panel:

Uncanny X-men 462

Romas "global alteration"

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018233635.jpg

Exiles 70

"The WORLD burned white. Welcome to House of M"

"Earth 616 has been transformed while they were away"

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4914182984.jpg

Exiles 72

"The House of M reality has once again been revised. The Exiles were forced to withdraw leaving Beak and Angel to face, whatever fate has befallen EARTH 616"

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4914224436.jpg


Uncanny X-men 475:

"The Scarlet Witch lost her mind and used her mutant power to alter reality transforming the WORLD"


http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4913453063.jpg


Scale of the warp is defined as global and of being confined to the world, earth 616. No ambiguous open to interpretation "she transformed reality", "she did this to all reality" BULLSH*T

Show me a scan saying that she transformed the entire universe into House of M or this is pretty much done and dusted.

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Theres a difference between your powers directly creating something without your conscious willing of it and accidentally ripping a hole in reality which itself results in something.

The former is a direct manifestation of her power, the latter is just something her power was a catalyst for.

But the fact is she caused the tear, with her powers, and it was her reality warp that spread into the omniverses a result of that tear she caused.

Shadow king said it himself (though not about the choas wave) A cosmic whim, caused by wanda, formed cracks in ALL realities, which was how he ws freed.

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
But the fact is she caused the tear, with her powers, and it was her reality warp that spread into the omniverses a result of that tear she caused.

Shadow king said it himself (though not about the choas wave) A cosmic whim, caused by wanda, formed cracks in ALL realities, which was how he ws freed.

Wanda's initial Reality Warp was Global, and then it expanded across the 616 Universe:

This is why the it's clearly stated that the entire 616 Universe was Warped:




(from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006 Saturnyne bio)

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/748/w1ka9.th.jpg

"She (Saturnyne) was later present on Otherworld when Dimension-616 was Engulfed

in the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp ...


Saturnyne showed little hesitation in suggesting destroying 616 to Prevent the Warp SPREADING"





Here is that scene On Panel,




Satynyne talking about the Chaos Wave or as the Official Bio puts it,

the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp:

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/223/15473921vq0.th.jpg

"Your Dimension is a Cancer,

bringing Devastation to Branes ALL ALONG the SIDEREAL STRING ...


Sparing Yours condemns the REST"







The NEXT time around Wanda Warps the 616 Universe entirely:




"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again"

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/7489/25824670nb5.th.jpg

ON PANEL with the Bio vs the back side of covers.


Roma was talking about the initial Warp,

the Warp as we all know was spreading, it literally Warped ALL of the 616 Reality:


http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/748/w1ka9.th.jpg

"She (Saturnyne) was later present on Otherworld when Dimension-616 was Engulfed

in the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp"




Is that all you got as a defense? The back side of Covers? hysterical2

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
But the fact is she caused the tear, with her powers, and it was her reality warp that spread into the omniverses a result of that tear she caused.

Shadow king said it himself (though not about the choas wave) A cosmic whim, caused by wanda, formed cracks in ALL realities, which was how he ws freed.

Wanda caused the tear, this tear caused a reaction which was the chaos wave. The rules of reality that Wanda had messed about with on Earth 616 conflicted with that which was beyond the tear. It was a seepage. It wasnt something directly created and powered by Wanda and maintained across its interdimensional rampage. It was just seepage from what she had done to the planet. That is why it isnt a feat of hers.

If Storm generated a hurricane and then left it and went to bed. If the hurricane spun out of control causing damage across the U.S that damage wouldnt be a feat of Storms. She never controlled and maintained the hurricane, she JUST set it in motion.

Either way, Wandas direct feat as stated on panel by Roma and in the issues of multiple issues of both Exiles and Uncanny X-men was the warping of reality of Earth 616.

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Wanda caused the tear, this tear caused a reaction which was the chaos wave. The rules of reality that Wanda had messed about with on Earth 616 conflicted with that which was beyond the tear. It was a seepage. It wasnt something directly created and powered by Wanda and maintained across its interdimensional rampage. It was just seepage from what she had done to the planet. That is why it isnt a feat of hers.

If Storm generated a hurricane and then left it and went to bed. If the hurricane spun out of control causing damage across the U.S that damage wouldnt be a feat of Storms. She never controlled and maintained the hurricane, she JUST set it in motion.

Either way, Wandas direct feat as stated on panel by Roma and in the issues of multiple issues of both Exiles and Uncanny X-men was the warping of reality of Earth 616.

Erm...i'm sorry that doesnt really make sense. Even if its seepage, its still came from her. It was still her reality warp that caiused all the chaos. Its stated in other comics (i.e Mr Masters scans) that it was HER reality warp.

And you seem to think that she only altered reality on a global level..then why was the kree and skrull affected? She was evenable to tear Dormammu (sp?) out of his dimension whilts in a coma Her powers go more than beond just 616 Earth

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
Erm...i'm sorry that doesnt really make sense. Even if its seepage, its still came from her. It was still her reality warp that caiused all the chaos. Its stated in other comics (i.e Mr Masters scans) that it was HER reality warp.

And you seem to think that she only altered reality on a global level..then why was the kree and skrull affected? She was evenable to tear Dormammu (sp?) out of his dimension whilts in a coma Her powers go more than beond just 616 Earth



Where you been at?

Most cats know the truth as its presented with proof but are afraid to speak up,

or, they know making sense with an intransigent mind is a hopeless cause.

personally,

I've given up on trying to convince that individual even with overwhelming evidence.

I continue on for the onlookers (innocent and not) I will not allow them to be fooled.

Originally posted by Mr Master


Where you been at?

Most cats know the truth as its presented with proof but are afraid to speak up,

or, they know making sense with an intransigent mind is a hopeless cause.

personally,

I've given up on trying to convince that individual even with overwhelming evidence.

I continue on for the onlookers (innocent and not) I will not allow them to be fooled.

lol

i've been around, i just havent been poting that much till recently. i've seen that topics like these always end up like this, so i'd thought i'd lend a helping hand