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Fights in the city, Wrecker has his crowbar...Who wins ??

you mean 40 tons wrecker?

Originally posted by capt it up
you mean 40 tons wrecker? Wrecker the leader of the Wrecking Crew. If you wish, i can post a bio for you .

Wrecker steam-rolls Logan. He took out Sasqautch lately.....

Originally posted by grey fox
Wrecker steam-rolls Logan. He took out Sasqautch lately.....
so thats means he beats wolverines..........


dident you say spiderman could take the wrecker?


also 40 tons strength does not mean jack against wolverine.

Originally posted by grey fox
Wrecker steam-rolls Logan. He took out Sasqautch lately..... But Logan can beat Thor.

Originally posted by Faceman
But Logan can beat Thor.
don't even try this crap. thor has nothing to do with this thread so don't bring him up.

Originally posted by capt it up
don't even try this crap. thor has nothing to do with this thread so don't bring him up. Easy sailor ..

Originally posted by Faceman
Easy sailor ..
you obvously think that wrecker wins so lets here the reasoning.

Originally posted by Faceman
Easy sailor ..

lol...remember what happened when u called bada a sailor..

Originally posted by capt it up
so thats means he beats wolverines..........


dident you say spiderman could take the wrecker?


also 40 tons strength does not mean jack against wolverine.

..NO

Wrecker (lately) is pushing class 90-100. He's a mini-Thor taking on a guy whose main power is being a fanboy icon.

Wrecker rams the crowbar clean up Logan's ass and out the other end.

QFT

Originally posted by grey fox
..NO

Wrecker (lately) is pushing class 90-100. He's a mini-Thor taking on a guy whose main power is being a fanboy icon.

Wrecker rams the crowbar clean up Logan's ass and out the other end.

QFT
so you got nothing so your going to use the whole fanboy excuse? So your whole post is pointless and you have no evidence?

Originally posted by jasonk3
lol...remember what happened when u called bada a sailor.. How could i forget!!!! Should i post the video ??

Originally posted by Faceman
How could i forget!!!! Should i post the video ??

Hell yeah !

B]2e8oWKMnKU8

durfist

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http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/NewAvengers7Wolverine1.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/NewAvengers7Wolverine2.jpg

Originally posted by Priest
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http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/NewAvengers7Wolverine1.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/NewAvengers7Wolverine2.jpg Once again, Priest comes up with some hot scans!!!

Current Wrecker from Omega Flight is too much.
Old Wrecker loses 8/10

Those scans pretty much detail anything I'd say. Wolverine is hot shit to street levelers but against anyone higher then class fifteen he's a walking target.

****in noobs strenght means jackshit against Wolverine!!!!!

Originally posted by Faceman
Once again, Priest comes up with some hot scans!!!

Wrecker was blinded and Logan still couldent sneak attack him.. So much for Wolverine super fast agility.

Originally posted by Estacado
****in noobs strenght means jackshit against Wolverine!!!!!

Wolverine : Hey Bub i'm the best at wha-

Wrecker : FORE !

*WHAM*

Wolverine : Hey...why's my skeleton lying right behind me ?

What happened to all the Wolverine fans ???

From which issue is that scan from Priest?

Originally posted by Estacado
From which issue is that scan from Priest?
New Avengers 7, i can pm the issue if u like.

Originally posted by Priest
New Avengers 7, i can pm the issue if u like. I would like Priest!!

Originally posted by Priest
New Avengers 7, i can pm the issue if u like.
Thanks for the issue number....313

I'm gonna get it though.

Didn't Spider-Man defeat the Wrecking Crew by himself?

Originally posted by golem370
Didn't Spider-Man defeat the Wrecking Crew by himself? He also pummeled Firelord...

Originally posted by Estacado
Thanks for the issue number....313

I'm gonna get it though.
No problem 31

We have an interesting fight here. But we've to be precise.
Is it fight to death or to KO?
We're talking about current Wrecker I see, right?

Wrecker has many chances to win the fight by KO. But his hardest hits haven't done it to Logan yet. He was just smacked away or hit by Spider-Man (Wrecker threw web-slinger). Wolverine can't significantly damage his crowbar I think, but his claws are more formidable and versatile...

Fight to KO ---> hard fight, it could be similar somehow to Wolvie vs. Namor fights

Fight to death ---> obviously Wolverine here, his HF is very hard to overload.

And, Wrecker yes, is more durable, but his bones are much less durable. He possesses no HF. That is why he got KOed by Hulk's one punch. Wolverine did that only in his first appearance... and in Punisher comic when he was rather knocked out of the arena.

Originally posted by Gorbag
We have an interesting fight here. But we've to be precise.
Is it fight to death or to KO?
We're talking about current Wrecker I see, right?

Wrecker has many chances to win the fight by KO. But his hardest hits haven't done it to Logan yet. He was just smacked away or hit by Spider-Man (Wrecker threw web-slinger). Wolverine can't significantly damage his crowbar I think, but his claws are more formidable and versatile...

Fight to KO ---> hard fight, it could be similar somehow to Wolvie vs. Namor fights

Fight to death ---> obviously Wolverine here, his HF is very hard to overload.

And, Wrecker yes, is more durable, but his bones are much less durable. He possesses no HF. That is why he got KOed by Hulk's one punch. Wolverine did that only in his first appearance... and in Punisher comic when he was rather knocked out of the arena. Hey Gorbag, welcome to the thread ! Current Wrecker , and yes a KO, would mean he wins for purposes of this thread.

Originally posted by grey fox
Those scans pretty much detail anything I'd say. Wolverine is hot shit to street levelers but against anyone higher then class fifteen he's a walking target.

So why he defeated Namor, Wendigo, Thing, Hulk (evry incarnation), Sasquatch, Kierrok, Ba'al, Sentinels and so on? You need scans of these? You need more?

Originally posted by Gorbag
So why he defeated Namor, Wendigo, Thing, Hulk (evry incarnation), Sasquatch, Kierrok, Ba'al, Sentinels and so on? You need scans of these? You need more? Can i get scans of Wolverine defeating Wrecker ?

Wolvie can't even sratch Wrecker.

Wrecker looks like a Tank, next to Wolverine...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Wolvie can't even sratch Wrecker.

Actually, wolverine did manage to slash wrecker's arm in the same New Avengers issue.

Wrecker wins...he schooled the entire NA in that issue

Originally posted by jasonk3
Actually, wolverine did manage to slash wrecker's arm in the same New Avengers issue.

Fine. But Wrecker still took out the entire NA until he got stopped by pheremones.

Wolvie loses hard.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Fine. But Wrecker still took out the entire NA until he got stopped by pheremones.

Wolvie loses hard.

As stated earlier...

Originally posted by jasonk3
Wrecker wins...he schooled the entire NA in that issue

Originally posted by capt it up
so thats means he beats wolverines..........


dident you say spiderman could take the wrecker?


also 40 tons strength does not mean jack against wolverine.

Spderman kills Logan

Originally posted by Faceman
Hey Gorbag, welcome to the thread ! Current Wrecker , and yes a KO, would mean he wins for purposes of this thread.

Yep hello thx for the invitation ^^
Current Wrecker is awesome powerful, however I think Logan can take this... I will explain why.

When New Avengers first met Wrecker, he kicked everyone's ass, including Spidey, Iron Man, Wolvie (a bit, he just used wall crawler to put Logan away for some time) Cap was not so involved in the fight, he just threw his shield to stop Wrecker from hurting Spider-Man. It is a pity 'cause Cap showed his skills when fighting Loki. Nevermind, what about Wolverine... he leaped to the Wrecked intended to eviscerate him or even kill. But Wrecky showed superhuman reflexes and tossed Spidey to him. Finally he got KOed by Hulk. And what we have there - none of the team was able to show true potential 'cause their cooperation wasn't so good and Wrecker used this.
Or like on these scans, N Avengers#7 right, Wolverine got smacked away 'cause he attacked too fast when Wrecker was pissed. In the fight one on one, Wrecker would have problems with each Avenger, even with Cap if Steve sneaked attacked him first (like he did to Loki).
Spider Man got defeated at N Av first fight with him, but on the other hand Peter went toe to toe with Morlun...
Wolverine went toe to toe with powerhouses.
Iron Man too.
Cap's fighting skills and adamantium plus shield are nice advantages + he gave a hard time to Loki, as I mentioned before.

What I can say... it's hard, maybe 7/10 for Wolvie... in one on one fight he doesn't need to care his claws would hurt teammates and he would show full potential, I think.

Originally posted by jasonk3
Wrecker wins...he schooled the entire NA in that issue

Yep, New Avengers. Noob Avengers. Their cooperation is still not good and Wrecker uses chaos and crowd, he doesn't need to care about anyone, he just manages to smash the entire team, when NA need to care...

Originally posted by Gorbag
Yep hello thx for the invitation ^^
Current Wrecker is awesome powerful, however I think Logan can take this... I will explain why.

When New Avengers first met Wrecker, he kicked everyone's ass, including Spidey, Iron Man, Wolvie (a bit, he just used wall crawler to put Logan away for some time) Cap was not so involved in the fight, he just threw his shield to stop Wrecker from hurting Spider-Man. It is a pity 'cause Cap showed his skills when fighting Loki. Nevermind, what about Wolverine... he leaped to the Wrecked intended to eviscerate him or even kill. But Wrecky showed superhuman reflexes and tossed Spidey to him. Finally he got KOed by Hulk. And what we have there - none of the team was able to show true potential 'cause their cooperation wasn't so good and Wrecker used this.
Or like on these scans, N Avengers#7 right, Wolverine got smacked away 'cause he attacked too fast when Wrecker was pissed. In the fight one on one, Wrecker would have problems with each Avenger, even with Cap if Steve sneaked attacked him first (like he did to Loki).
Spider Man got defeated at N Av first fight with him, but on the other hand Peter went toe to toe with Morlun...
Wolverine went toe to toe with powerhouses.
Iron Man too.
Cap's fighting skills and adamantium plus shield are nice advantages + he gave a hard time to Loki, as I mentioned before.

What I can say... it's hard, maybe 7/10 for Wolvie... in one on one fight he doesn't need to care his claws would hurt teammates and he would show full potential, I think.

Wolvie couldn't beat a distracted bloodlusted Wrecker even with an entire team of people backing him up.

Since BFR and KO are both a route to victory on KMC (as you really should understand) Wolvie will get destroyed.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Wolvie couldn't beat a distracted bloodlusted Wrecker even with an entire team of people backing him up.

Since BFR and KO are both a route to victory on KMC (as you really should understand) Wolvie will get destroyed.

He wasn't totally KOed. And yes, Wrecker smacked him away because Logan underestimated his reflexes. But look again. Spidey said: "Ah, man, when wolverine grows his face back, he's really gonna be pretty upset". Berserker rage enabled Logan to defeat Kierrok, Wendigo or Hulk... so he's gonna deal even with Wrecker.

Originally posted by Gorbag
He wasn't totally KOed. And yes, Wrecker smacked him away because Logan underestimated his reflexes. But look again. Spidey said: "Ah, man, when wolverine grows his face back, he's really gonna be pretty upset". Berserker rage enabled Logan to defeat Kierrok, Wendigo or Hulk... so he's gonna deal even with Wrecker.

Not if he lands in another state.

And this isn't Berserker Wolvie this is just normal Wolverine against current Wrecker. The same guy that Logan couldn't beat even though he had a ton of help.

Originally posted by Gorbag
He wasn't totally KOed. And yes, Wrecker smacked him away because Logan underestimated his reflexes.
How the heck do u know if wolverine underestimated the wreckers reflexes?. he got owned, face it.
Originally posted by Gorbag
But look again. Spidey said: "Ah, man, when wolverine grows his face back, he's really gonna be pretty upset". Berserker rage enabled Logan to defeat Kierrok, Wendigo or Hulk... so he's gonna deal even with Wrecker.
here's ur berserker rage wolverine after he re grew his face the second time around.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/NewAvengers7-17.jpg
Wrecker would own wolverine all day.
note he was able to grab wolverine hand in mid combat.

Originally posted by Priest
How the heck do u know if wolverine underestimated the wreckers reflexes?. he got owned, face it.

here's ur berserker rage wolverine after he re grew his face the second time around.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/NewAvengers7-17.jpg
Wrecker would own wolverine all day.
note he was able to grab wolverine hand in mid combat. Digi, this thread is over please close....

Seriously wolvie fanboys are getting really ridiculous....

Originally posted by Estacado
Seriously wolvie fanboys are getting really ridiculous....

So far it's just Gorbag. I'd like to see what the other ones say.

Originally posted by Estacado
Seriously wolvie fanboys are getting really ridiculous.... Amen to that .

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Not if he lands in another state.

And this isn't Berserker Wolvie this is just normal Wolverine against current Wrecker. The same guy that Logan couldn't beat even though he had a ton of help.

Wolverine goes berserk at will... when he receives enough injury...

Originally posted by Estacado
Seriously wolvie fanboys are getting really ridiculous....

If the NA can't handle one class 90 guy, then it's ****ing pathetic. That's like Colossus beating up all of them or the Thing.

Don't talk like Wolverine's never been in a fight before, he's got more experienced than the Wrecking Crew together. When he's on his own, odds are he'd fight a lot smarter than he just did.

You don't rip up 30 years of good showings against incredibly strong and fast characters simply because they decided to buff up Wrecker and put the New Avengers down.

Sabretooth can take out both Wendigo and Sasquatch in under 30 minutes. He has less skill than Wolverine and slightly better physical features.

Since when was strength EVERYTHING in a fight? Does unbelievable skill count for nothing? If Wolverine canned the leap attack thing which works once every century, and starts fighting like he did against Namor, then he could definitely give Wrecker a run for his money.

Old Wrecker wins 2/10
Current 7/10

Originally posted by Gorbag
Wolverine goes berserk at will... when he receives enough injury... Gorbag, do you think Wolverine could scratch Superman ??

Originally posted by llagrok
Since when was strength EVERYTHING in a fight? Does unbelievable skill count for nothing? If Wolverine canned the leap attack thing which works once every century, and starts fighting like he did against Namor, then he could definitely give Wrecker a run for his money.

But Wreck managed to Logan's hand. He hit him several times so he's clearky no slow poke. The claws were all but useless for much of the issue as well.

So basicly even with other people pounding on Wrecker Wolverines much vaunted skill was useless.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But Wreck managed to Logan's hand. He hit him several times so he's clearky no slow poke. The claws were all but useless for much of the issue as well.

So basicly even with other people pounding on Wrecker Wolverines much vaunted skill was useless.

Yes, in ONE comic.

Wolverine is one of the most skilled martial artists in the marvel universe. You can't rule out that based on one bad showing.

Originally posted by llagrok
Yes, in ONE comic.

Wolverine is one of the most skilled martial artists in the marvel universe. You can't rule out that based on one bad showing.

I'm not. I'm just pointing out that skill means jack shit when your opponent is all but invulnerable to your attacks and can BFR you with one shot.

Originally posted by Priest
How the heck do u know if wolverine underestimated the wreckers reflexes?. he got owned, face it.

here's ur berserker rage wolverine after he re grew his face the second time around.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/NewAvengers7-17.jpg
Wrecker would own wolverine all day.
note he was able to grab wolverine hand in mid combat.

How the heck I know? 'Cause Wolverine knew very little about his foe. Now he wouldn't be surprised so easy. Next thing. Wrecker got owned by Hulk faster than Wolvie ever did... Wrecker hit Logan hard, tossed him, OK. He did his best. It is similar how Logan fought Kierrok... on the fight beginning he had problem, later he did better, even defeat Kierrok because of the fury unleashed. Logan has stabbed Namor while flying, who is quite fast and very durable... I'm pretty sure he'd deal with Wrecker. First he analyzes his foe's style then counter attack seriously... like in Warhawk or John Howlett fight...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'm not. I'm just pointing out that skill means jack shit when your opponent is all but invulnerable to your attacks and can BFR you with one shot.

He isn't invulnerable to Wolverine's attacks.

He has eyes. Wolverine can also do like he did against Ord.

This is what I'm talking about.....
He sees the on pannel evidence but he still says that Logan would win.

Originally posted by llagrok
He isn't invulnerable to Wolverine's attacks.

He has eyes. Wolverine can also do like he did against Ord.

Because we all know when people fight Wolverine they suddenly lose the ability to move.

We all know that it would be so sad, super awesome villain can die upon Wolverine's claws, so we're doin' this an easy way and allow villain to own Logan. Ridiculous, Wolverine's claws injured Apocalypse, he was fast enough to slash super speed opponents, so he has good chances.

Originally posted by Estacado
This is what I'm talking about.....
He sees the on pannel evidence but he still says that Logan would win.

OH that is ****ing rich

Wolverine's been shown to be as fast as classic Spider-man. That's also on panel evidence.

Originally posted by Hitman911
Spderman kills Logan

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3706/spideyassuw9.jpg

Really?

Originally posted by Gorbag
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3706/spideyassuw9.jpg

Really?

The middle picture and the one in the upper right is from the comic I was referring to

Where Spidey killed Wolverine's girlfriend on accident.

Originally posted by Gorbag
How the heck I know? 'Cause Wolverine knew very little about his foe.
Im pretty sure Wolverine know who the Wrecker is.

Originally posted by Gorbag
Now he wouldn't be surprised so easy.
He was surprised the again and gotten launched.

Originally posted by Gorbag
Next thing. Wrecker got owned by Hulk faster than Wolvie ever did...
Are u seriously comparing the Hulk to Wolverine? stop being ignorant.

Originally posted by Gorbag
Wrecker hit Logan hard, tossed him, OK. He did his best.
I dont think he did his best, the secound scan shows the wrecker had complete control of Logan, instead of tossing Wolverine about 50 or so yards, he could of easily beat the shit out of him using the ENHANCED crowbar.

Originally posted by Gorbag
It is similar how Logan fought Kierrok... on the fight beginning he had problem, later he did better, even defeat Kierrok because of the fury unleashed.
Thor Villan>Xmen villan.

Originally posted by Gorbag
Logan has stabbed Namor while flying, who is quite fast and very durable... I'm pretty sure he'd deal with Wrecker.
He dident deal with Wrecker, scans prove other wise.

Originally posted by Gorbag
First he analyzes his foe's style then counter attack seriously... like in Warhawk or John Howlett fight...
Im not following ur logic, i think ur mixing up Wolverine to the Taskmaster.

Originally posted by Gorbag
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3706/spideyassuw9.jpg

Really?

Originally posted by Faceman
Gorbag, do you think Wolverine could scratch Superman ??

What can I say... he couldn't scratch Sentry... on the other hand, Silver Banshee scratched Superman in Superman/Batman. He even screamed in pain. We have both high and low showings here. So yes, Wolverine can merely scratch Sup, nothing more, nothing lethal... it depends on the writing... and mixing DC with Marvel is

This Wolverine hate is ridiculous.

You have one scan against him and get all crazy.

Originally posted by Gorbag
What can I say... he couldn't scratch Sentry... on the other hand, Silver Banshee scratched Superman in Superman/Batman. He even screamed in pain. We have both high and low showings here. So yes, Wolverine can merely scratch Sup, nothing more, nothing lethal... it depends on the writing... and mixing DC with Marvel is

Anyone else notice how in that entire Wrecker fight Wolverine isn't really hurt and has enough in him to make random Superhero banter?

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Anyone else notice how in that entire Wrecker fight Wolverine isn't really hurt and has enough in him to make random Superhero banter?

That's right, Wolverine didn't get seriously injured, just kept tossed away from Wrecker because he was afraid of the claws stab and used his super reflexes...

Originally posted by Priest
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http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/NewAvengers7Wolverine1.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/NewAvengers7Wolverine2.jpg It was Wrecker dressed like Wolverine and it was Wolverine dressed like Wrecker. No matter how much proof you bring in you end up in actually debating in a Logan thread.

Originally posted by Gorbag
That's right, Wolverine didn't get seriously injured, just kept tossed away from Wrecker because he was afraid of the claws stab and used his super reflexes...
crylaughcrylaughcrylaugh

Originally posted by llagrok
This Wolverine hate is ridiculous.

You have one scan against him and get all crazy. You really aren't around for a long time...You should search back the past 1 year threads.

Originally posted by Rewmac
You really aren't around for a long time...You should search back the past 1 year threads.

To find?

You'll see.

Originally posted by Priest
Im pretty sure Wolverine know who the Wrecker is.


He was surprised the again and gotten launched.


Are u seriously comparing the Hulk to Wolverine? stop being ignorant.


I dont think he did his best, the secound scan shows the wrecker had complete control of Logan, instead of tossing Wolverine about 50 or so yards, he could of easily beat the shit out of him using the ENHANCED crowbar.


Thor Villan>Xmen villan.


He dident deal with Wrecker, scans prove other wise.


Im not following ur logic, i think ur mixing up Wolverine to the Taskmaster.

I said he'd deal with Wrecker in this disc. battle, not that he did that in comics.
Thor villain > Xmen villain?
Absorbing Man > Apocalypse?
Wrecker > Juggernaut?
Loki > Proteus?

X-Men have more villains than Thor would ever imagine of.

And now, I didn't actually compare Wolverine to Hulk... I compared Wolverine fights with Hulk to Wrecker vs. Hulk... Wolvie did much better...

Originally posted by Gorbag
I said he'd deal with Wrecker in this disc. battle, not that he did that in comics.
Thor villain > Xmen villain?
Absorbing Man > Apocalypse?
Wrecker > Juggernaut?
Loki > Proteus?

X-Men have more villains than Thor would ever imagine of.

And now, I didn't actually compare Wolverine to Hulk... I compared Wolverine fights with Hulk to Wrecker vs. Hulk... Wolvie did much better...

Now you lost me to the other side.

Originally posted by Estacado
crylaughcrylaughcrylaugh

Tell me that Logan was seriously hurt in this fight... c'mon, say ur bs...

Oh and Wrecker isn't invulnerable to Wolverine. Oh and it's obvious to anyone that's actually read the comic that Wolverine did more damage to the Wrecker then vice versa.

Originally posted by llagrok
Now you lost me to the other side.

What u mean?
Apocalypse isn't more powerful than Abs Man???
And Wolverine really did better than Wrecker in fights against Hulk...

So? If there is a character that isn't Logan-Proof that means Wolverine would win?? The funnies things was the Thor thread. I see the Wrecker fight as a good one (not New Avengers version but a good one), so he can might pull off a win and vica versa it's just Wrecker gets owned all the time.

Yep, Wrecker isn't Sentry, he's still v vulnerable to adamantium claws...

But of course he is.

Originally posted by Rewmac
So? If there is a character that isn't Logan-Proof that means Wolverine would win?? The funnies things was the Thor thread. I see the Wrecker fight as a good one (not New Avengers version but a good one), so he can might pull off a win and vica versa it's just Wrecker gets owned all the time.

U forgot about Logan's speed and skills. Marvel database describes his fighting skills are equal or even higher to those of Cap, "7/7". And we saw that many times... you want some examples of Logan's enhanced speed, agility or reflexes?

Wasn't stated in that New Avengers 8 that Jessica's pheromones where making Wolverine dizzy and limiting his effectiveness in that fight? Or something like that.

Ofc Wrecker showed great feats, so he has nice chances, but Wolvie isn't outclassed in this fight...

Originally posted by Gorbag

Thor villain > Xmen villain?
Absorbing Man > Apocalypse?
Wrecker > Juggernaut?
Loki > Proteus ?


Yes
Yes
No
Yes

No it only happened towards the end. Right before Wrecker got cut up by Howlett.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wasn't stated in that New Avengers 8 that Jessica's pheromones where making Wolverine dizzy and limiting his effectiveness in that fight? Or something like that.

Actually Jessica's pheromones make dizzy all men, especially these ones with hyper senses... (DD, Wolv) maybe u could post a scan with this?

Originally posted by grey fox
Yes
Yes
No
Yes

I'm not sure Loki is invulnerable to Proteus' mutant powers...
And, how the hell, Absorbing Man can be a bigger threat than En Sabah Nur? only in weakened state maybe... Apocalypse is able to disintegrate AbsM before he reaches him...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wasn't stated in that New Avengers 8 that Jessica's pheromones where making Wolverine dizzy and limiting his effectiveness in that fight? Or something like that.

I don't think he meant exactly that. It was more like he felt like a teenage boy.

He wasn't literally getting dizzy (at least thats not how I took it)

Originally posted by Gorbag

Thor villain > Xmen villain?
Yes.

Originally posted by Gorbag
Absorbing Man > Apocalypse?
Yes actually
Also, Thor can solo Absorbing man; Wolverine cannot solo Apoc.

Originally posted by Gorbag
Wrecker > Juggernaut?
No, but why are u even bring up the Juggeranut?
do u think that wolverine can take on the Juggeranut??

Originally posted by Gorbag
Loki > Proteus?
dont know, but again can wolverine take on loki or Proteus by himself?
where debating Wolverine not the xmen team.
your bring up xmen/thor villans that would destroy wolverine, not a good idea if ur defending Logan.

Originally posted by Gorbag
X-Men have more villains than Thor would ever imagine of.
So? Thor villains in general are more powerful, e.g. celestials, surter, yimir ect..

Originally posted by Gorbag
And now, I didn't actually compare Wolverine to Hulk... I compared Wolverine fights with Hulk to Wrecker vs. Hulk... Wolvie did much better...
you still cannot comprehend that writers do not like to make Wolverine loose badly in fights. besides i guaranty wolverine will be owned in WWH.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I don't think he meant exactly that. It was more like he felt like a teenage boy.

He wasn't literally getting dizzy (at least thats not how I took it)

Feeling like a teenage boy doesn't help in a fight against Wrecker... Wolverine couldn't focus thx to Jessica's "help".

Originally posted by Gorbag
I'm not sure Loki is invulnerable to Proteus' mutant powers...
And, how the hell, Absorbing Man can be a bigger threat than En Sabah Nur? only in weakened state maybe... Apocalypse is able to disintegrate AbsM before he reaches him...

Creel is limited only by his Low Intelligence, as is Apoc by his Jobber Field. Remove both an Creel will utterly wreck Apoc. Go read Earth X

Loki can dump himself in another dimension and simply hop back , or amp up a lackey's anti-reality abilities and posess him ect...

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/5651/untitleduf1.png

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wasn't stated in that New Avengers 8 that Jessica's pheromones where making Wolverine dizzy and limiting his effectiveness in that fight? Or something like that.

All they said was dizzy, the same way Wrecker was as it made the team atracted to Jessica. Other than that, nothing directly about limiting his effectiveness in the fight.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wasn't stated in that New Avengers 8 that Jessica's pheromones where making Wolverine dizzy and limiting his effectiveness in that fight? Or something like that.
She can control the Pheomones at will(which is why the wrecker was kicking the Avengers ass in the begining of the fight) , she released them in the end of the fight to calm the Wrecker down.

Originally posted by Gorbag
Feeling like a teenage boy doesn't help in a fight against Wrecker... Wolverine couldn't focus thx to Jessica's "help".

But he was bearly around her during the fight.

As for not focusing. I'm pretty sure Wolvie is a bit to professional for that to do much to him.

Originally posted by Gorbag
U forgot about Logan's speed and skills. Marvel database describes his fighting skills are equal or even higher to those of Cap, "7/7". And we saw that many times... you want some examples of Logan's enhanced speed, agility or reflexes? Marveldatabase user....

crylaughcrylaughcrylaughcrylaugh

I've read his karate skills everywhere I've read comics he was fighting in other than a few old he isn't much a ninja.

Originally posted by Priest
She can control the Pheomones at will(which is why the wrecker was kicking the Avengers ass in the begining of the fight) , she released them in the end of the fight to calm the Wrecker down.

She said she releases them when she is nervous or "charged up", she seemed to imply she had no control over them.

Originally posted by Priest
Yes.


Yes actually
Also, Thor can solo Absorbing man; Wolverine cannot solo Apoc.


No, but why are u even bring up the Juggeranut?
do u think that wolverine can take on the Juggeranut??


dont know, but again can wolverine take on loki or Proteus by himself?
where debating Wolverine not the xmen team.
your bring up xmen/thor villans that would destroy wolverine, not a good idea if ur defending Logan.


So? Thor villains in general are more powerful, e.g. celestials, surter, yimir ect..


you still cannot comprehend that writers do not like to make Wolverine loose badly in fights. besides i guaranty wolverine will be owned in WWH.

Writers don't like to make Wrecker loose badly in fights, too...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
She said she releases them when she is nervous or "charged up", she seemed to imply she had no control over them.

No she has control over them, but when she is nervous she loses that control. Anxiety

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No she has control over them, but when she is nervous she loses that control. Anxiety

She basically said that her body releases pheromones when ever she is nervous and when her adrenalin is pumping. That would mean when ever she is in combat her body is release pheromones whether she wants it to or not... thats limited control at best.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
She said she releases them when she is nervous or "charged up", she seemed to imply she had no control over them.
Ur right my badd,
but in any case, she was time when she was nervous or charged up had to been during this time, when she was face to face with the wrecker.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/NewAvengers8-2.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/NewAvengers8-3.jpg
this of post avengers getting their asses handed to them by Wrecker.

Originally posted by Faceman
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/5651/untitleduf1.png

Ultimate Wolverine... u need to know it's impossible to rip 616 Wolvie because of nano technology which keeps his skeleton in one piece... actually Wolverine's adamantium is adamantium beta, hardest Earth substance ever.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
She basically said that her body produces pheromones when ever she is nervous and when her adrenalin is pumping. That would mean when ever she is in combat her body is release pheromones whether she wants it to or not... thats limited control at best.

Only when she is nervous as she mentioned, but Drew is a highly skilled fighter majority of the time she can easily keep her cool. Especially being a double agent or is it triple now? for so long without the team knowing.

Most of the time she can control her pheromones, but there is the odd time where she gets nervous activating the "fight or flight" system in her body protecting her.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/newavengers8_p20.jpg

Whenever she is nervous or "charged up"

With Wolverine's heightened senses those pheromones would be driving him nuts. Its a wonder he could even see straight.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/newavengers8_p20.jpg

Whenever she is nervous or "charged up"

With Wolverine's heightened senses those pheromones would be driving him nuts. Its a wonder he could even see straight.

They're all just using that as an excuse for getting their asses handed to them.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/newavengers8_p20.jpg

Whenever she is nervous or "charged up"

Have you ignored what I have been saying? She has shown without being nervous to control her pheromones, being nervous hypes it up. Even humans we expel pheromones, but just like Jessica if we get nervous we expel more intense smell. Even animals do the same thing as "fight or flight"

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Have you ignored what I have been saying? She has shown without being nervous to control her pheromones, being nervous hypes it up. Even humans we expel pheromones, but just like Jessica if we get nervous we expel more intense smell. Even animals do the same thing as "fight or flight"

Hit me with some scans because until you do I'm taking her word over yours.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Hit me with some scans because until you do I'm taking her word over yours.

Guh! Fine, I will see what I can whip out. I have to pull the collection out of the storage room

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Guh! Fine, I will see what I can whip out. I have to pull the collection out of the storage room You should know Wolverine fans can be hard headed at times....

Originally posted by Faceman
You should know Wolverine fans can be hard headed at times....

It's a mess in there, and I'm at work right now. I'll get it eventually, but finding the issue will be not so fun.
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EDIT:
I dispise wikipedia, so don't take this canon as I will get the scans shortly..hopefully:

"Pheromones: Jessica generates chemicals that make her extremely attractive to men and tend to repulse women. If she concentrates she can direct this power, making men susceptible to her will."

Originally posted by Faceman
You should know Wolverine fans can be hard headed at times....

The grownups are trying to debate, please go troll somewhere else.

Originally posted by Priest
Ur right my badd,
but in any case, she was time when she was nervous or charged up had to been during this time, when she was face to face with the wrecker.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/NewAvengers8-2.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/NewAvengers8-3.jpg
this of post avengers getting their asses handed to them by Wrecker.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
It's a mess in there, and I'm at work right now. I'll get it eventually, but finding the issue will be not so fun.
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EDIT:
I dispise wikipedia, so don't take this canon as I will get the scans shortly..hopefully:

"Pheromones: Jessica generates chemicals that make her extremely attractive to men and tend to repulse women. If she concentrates she can direct this power, making men susceptible to her will."

If you have an issue in mind I can check and see if I have it.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If you have an issue in mind I can check and see if I have it.

Thinking her one-shot she had not to long ago, or it might have been just before she lost her powers. I don't know what issue it is, that's why I have to go into the storage room to see if I can find what issue number it is. Hopefully tonight, I should have the issue number or possible the scan.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The grownups are trying to debate, please go troll somewhere else. Funny how you've been trolling my thread.. Only about 3% of the people in here are giving Wolverine the victory over Wrecker... So STFU.

Originally posted by Faceman
Funny how you've been trolling my thread.. Only about 3% of the people in here are giving Wolverine the victory over Wrecker... So STFU.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Thinking her one-shot she had not to long ago, or it might have been just before she lost her powers. I don't know what issue it is, that's why I have to go into the storage room to see if I can find what issue number it is. Hopefully tonight, I should have the issue number or possible the scan.

... I don't remember a one-shot but I have her recent LS and the Giant-Size Spider-woman, if you mean one of those.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/newavengers8_p20.jpg

Whenever she is nervous or "charged up"

With Wolverine's heightened senses those pheromones would be driving him nuts. Its a wonder he could even see straight.

It even affected Luke Cage. Its effect on Logan was much worse.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
... I don't remember a one-shot but I have her recent LS and the Giant-Size Spider-woman, if you mean one of those.

Not the Giant-Size SP, but it was a similar format.

I'm asking on a few boards when it happened to help me save some time searching. I won't be getting off work till 10

Originally posted by Faceman
Funny how you've been trolling my thread.. Only about 3% of the people in here are giving Wolverine the victory over Wrecker... So STFU.

erm... u know what is 3%??? Count again, face ;]

Originally posted by Faceman
Funny how you've been trolling my thread.. Only about 3% of the people in here are giving Wolverine the victory over Wrecker... So STFU.

My posts in the thread have been about the topic of the thread... yours are pot-shots at people who think Wolverine can win. Having an opinion that doesn't fit with the majority doesn't make me a troll, posting off topic and nonconstructive posts does however make you one.

... although this post is pretty much spam

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
... I don't remember a one-shot but I have her recent LS and the Giant-Size Spider-woman, if you mean one of those.

Got one answer, apparently Iron Man #7 but that wasn't the one I was thinking of

http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=115284

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Not the Giant-Size SP, but it was a similar format.

I'm asking on a few boards when it happened to help me save some time searching. I won't be getting off work till 10

Is it Bendis' Spider-woman Origins collected in trade?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
My posts in the thread have been about the topic of the thread... yours are pot-shots at people who think Wolverine can win. Having an opinion that doesn't fit with the majority doesn't make me a troll, posting off topic and nonconstructive posts does however make you one. This coming from a guy that picked Wolverine over Thor.. You have zero credibility..Better yet you're an idiot...

Originally posted by Gorbag
It even affected Luke Cage. Its effect on Logan was much worse.
Yeah how would u know?
It effected the wrecker the most because spidergirl was around him the whole time while the other Avengers was getting tossed around.
and the wrecker was still swatting wolverine like a rag doll.
Also i doubt that wolverine would be affected as much as the others in the fight, i mean he can stand Omega Red's pheromones imo.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Is it Bendis' Spider-woman Origins collected in trade?

I think it was, it's hard to remember without the comics in my hand right now

However, apparently in Iron Man #7 she does it then.

Here's one scan of her doing it with control:

http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sw59xt.jpg

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Got one answer, apparently Iron Man #7 but that wasn't the one I was thinking of

http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=115284

I just checked (its Iron Man 8 actually) and she does release her pheromones by choice but its not really the circumstances we are debating over. I was saying that based what she said in New Avengers that she unwilling produces and releases her pheromones when she gets into combat and her adrenalin is pumping, I wasn't trying to suggest that she can't willing access her pheromones in other circumstances. I guess I wasn't very clear.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I just check (its Iron Man 8 actually) and she does release her pheromones by choice but its not really the circumstances we are debating over. I was saying that based what she said in New Avengers that she unwilling produces and releases her pheromones when she gets into combat and her adrenalin is pumping, I was trying to suggest that she can willing access her pheromones in other circumstances. I guess I wasn't very clear.

I know, hence why I asked if you were ignoring my posts as I said the exact same thing. Fight or Flight mode she expells her pheromones. She has a high level of skill keeping her cool though, so she isn't constantly expell her high level pheromones in combat

Originally posted by Faceman
This coming from a guy that picked Wolverine over Thor.. You have zero credibility..Better yet you're an idiot...

I came to a logical decision based on the circumstances of the fight, you just chirped like an idiot.

Its the whole fan boy thing, it clogs their senses...They need to be beat with scans so they could understand...

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I know, hence why I asked if you were ignoring my posts as I said the exact same thing. Fight or Flight mode she expells her pheromones. She has a high level of skill keeping her cool though, so she isn't constantly expell her high level pheromones in combat

... so what the heck are we argueing about?

Originally posted by Faceman
This coming from a guy that picked Wolverine over Thor.. You have zero credibility..Better yet you're an idiot...
Don't forget that he thinks that Wolverine could take out Midnighter and Slade at the same time....shocklaugh

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I came to a logical decision based on the circumstances of the fight, you just chirped like an idiot. How dare you call me an idiot ! Ill report you a-hole...

Originally posted by Estacado
Don't forget that he thinks that Wolverine could take out Midnighter and Slade at the same time....shocklaugh

Not exactly. I know that he can, its hardly an oppinion.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Not exactly. I know that he can, its hardly an oppinion.
There are only 2 person on this forum who thinks that you and capt.....

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I know, hence why I asked if you were ignoring my posts as I said the exact same thing. Fight or Flight mode she expells her pheromones. She has a high level of skill keeping her cool though, so she isn't constantly expell her high level pheromones in combat
Here are the Iron Man 8 scans Mungi
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/IronManv408-1.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/IronManv408-2.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/IronManv408-3.jpg

Originally posted by Faceman
How dare you call me an idiot ! Ill report you a-hole...

Technically, I think I said you were acting like an idiot, not that you actually were one.

Originally posted by Estacado
Don't forget that he thinks that Wolverine could take out Midnighter and Slade at the same time....shocklaugh Hey its his credibility on the line. So _ _ _ _ him...

Originally posted by Estacado
There are only 2 person on this forum who thinks that you and capt.....

Heres the thing about people, in general they are stupid. If you have the same opinion as the majority of people... chances are you are wrong.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Heres the thing about people, in general they are stupid. If you have the same opinion as the majority of people... chances are you are wrong.
Off course everyone is stupid except the 2 Wolverine fanboys......

My next thread Wolverine vs. Silver Surfer no Surf board...

Originally posted by Estacado
Off course everyone is stupid except the 2 Wolverine fanboys......

Nah, mostly just people who think that two guys in Class 2 strength can possibly over load the healing factor of a guy who shrugs off hits from the Hulk, walks around in nuclear reactors and has regrown his heart in three panels.

Look out Wolverine! Slade has guns and Midnighter has a club! How can you win?

Now, feel free to bump the Wolverine vs Slade/MD thread, I'd rather not spam this one up.