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Guess how I thought of this fight.

Anyway, an all-out fight in the Tomb of Marka Ragnos.

Who takes it?

...Nik, man, this isn't a good thread. One drain and Jacen is... well... erm... not in fighting condition...

Originally posted by Gideon
...Nik, man, this isn't a good thread. One drain and Jacen is... well... erm... not in fighting condition...
QFT.

Nikk loves making Nihilus threads. However, Jacen can loop in and out of the force, so Nihilus can't drain something he can't sense. Goodbye Nihilus. Terrible thread.

Originally posted by Gideon
...Nik, man, this isn't a good thread. One drain and Jacen is... well... erm... not in fighting condition... I third this statement.

What is this Loop-in and Loop-out of the Force thing?

I think I may be confusing it with force camouflage. It's a technique that allows you to be undetected by the force, but still able to use the force. Nihilus has no answer for that.

hmm!

But Nihilus can see Jacen?

No.. Nihilus couldn't sense Jacen through the force. Nihilus cannot defeat anybody who can loop in and out of the force.

When did Jacen use this technique in a fight, exactly?

And how the hell would he know TO use it?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Nikk loves making Nihilus threads. However, Jacen can loop in and out of the force, so Nihilus can't drain something he can't sense. Goodbye Nihilus. Terrible thread.

How does Jacen have instant knowledge of Nihilius powers? Oh wait, he doesn't. Hes dead. Bad.

Originally posted by Gideon
...Nik, man, this isn't a good thread. One drain and Jacen is... well... erm... not in fighting condition...

QFT

jacen's power to not be seen in the force doesn't mean he's disconected from the force. nihilus's power drains anyone that has access to the force so jacen dies.

Come one, i thnk we shouldn't even make threads about Nihilus, his force drain makes him unbeatable...

Originally posted by kamhal
Come one, i thnk we shouldn't even make threads about Nihilus, his force drain makes him unbeatable...

Right, thats why he defeated the Exile. O wait, he didnt. Nihilus is uber, but unbetable, hardly.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
Right, thats why he defeated the Exile. O wait, he didnt. Nihilus is uber, but unbetable, hardly.

do you people know anything? the exile could use the force through force bonds. the force itself was stripped from him thats why Nihilus couldn't drain him. play the KOTOR 2 again and pay attention.

You people? You judge all of us by the words of one?


Lol, had to say that.

Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
jacen's power to not be seen in the force doesn't mean he's disconected from the force. nihilus's power drains anyone that has access to the force so jacen dies.

What if Jacen flow walks? Jacen does stand a chance. He would probably die after a long battle.

I guess that's why, when he was losing to Mara Jade, Jacen flow walked back to gain the advantage.

...oh, wait, he didn't. Whoops...

Jacen loses.

Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
do you people know anything? the exile could use the force through force bonds. the force itself was stripped from him thats why Nihilus couldn't drain him. play the KOTOR 2 again and pay attention.

Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
do you people know anything? the exile could use the force through force bonds. the force itself was stripped from him thats why Nihilus couldn't drain him. play the KOTOR 2 again and pay attention.

Wasn't it because the exile was wound in the Force, but anyway, Nihilus isn't unbeatable, ROTJ Sidious had lightning that could kill 100 stormtroopers instantly, if he zaps Nihilus first, its by by Nihilus, not to mention DE Sidious, who would murder him.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
Wasn't it because the exile was wound in the Force, but anyway, Nihilus isn't unbeatable, ROTJ Sidious had lightning that could kill 100 stormtroopers instantly, if he zaps Nihilus first, its by by Nihilus, not to mention DE Sidious, who would murder him.

Nihilus still takes this due to that great Force drain ability.

nihilus wins he always does if you've played kotor nd beat it in everyway possible then you'd know these characters in the best way you can. watch the cut scenes try and find out what you can. The exile was a wound in the force. do you know what that means? it means she can influence almost anybody especially those weaker than her.

the force was stripped from her she did it herself without meaning to. she made force bonds with force adepts which allowed her to use the force without possessing it. it''s a strange concept i know.

nihilus couldn't drain her because she didn't have the forcwatch the cut scene when the exile first meets nihilus. you'll see that nihilus tries to drain her but can't so they end up lightsaber fighting.

nihilus vs. anyone, nihilus wins. this was decided on about a year ago if you want to go dig up all the old threads try.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Nikk loves making Nihilus threads. However, Jacen can loop in and out of the force, so Nihilus can't drain something he can't sense. Goodbye Nihilus. Terrible thread.

I think this thread isn't actually that bad. We can get some good discussion out of it if we try.

Jacen looping out of the Force won't be enough for several reasons.

1. Jacen won't know to loop out until it's to late.

2. Jacen can't loop in a way that would protect him. It doesn't remove him from the Force, it only makes him harder for other Force Users to sense.

3. If Jacen does manage to totally loop out of the Force he'll end up like the KOTOR 2 Jedi Masters that faced Kreia.

4. Nihilus is more powerful even without Force Drain, so even if Jacen does loop out of the Force in a manner than allows him to retain all of his powers and not end up like the Masters who faced Kreia (which is impossible for him) he'll still lose.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I think this thread isn't actually that bad. We can get some good discussion out of it if we try.

Jacen looping out of the Force won't be enough for several reasons.

1. Jacen won't know to loop out until it's to late.

2. Jacen can't loop in a way that would protect him. It doesn't remove him from the Force, it only makes him harder for other Force Users to sense.

3. If Jacen does manage to totally loop out of the Force he'll end up like the KOTOR 2 Jedi Masters that faced Kreia.

4. Nihilus is more powerful even without Force Drain, so even if Jacen does loop out of the Force in a manner than allows him to retain all of his powers and not end up like the Masters who faced Kreia (which is impossible for him) he'll still lose.


how would jacen not know when to loop out until it's too late? cause in the LotF he's almost always looped out so luke can't sense him.

and LORDSIDIOUS01 if jacen flow walks so what. he can't physically do anything. he can just leave an "imprint" of himself

Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
how would jacen not know when to loop out until it's too late? cause in the LotF he's almost always looped out so luke can't sense him.

and LORDSIDIOUS01 if jacen flow walks so what. he can't physically do anything. he can just leave an "imprint" of himself

He's just masking his Force presence, he's still there in the Force. Nihilus would have no problem draining him.

caedus owns him

Originally posted by IOU
caedus owns him

WTF?

"1. Jacen won't know to loop out until it's to late.

2. Jacen can't loop in a way that would protect him. It doesn't remove him from the Force, it only makes him harder for other Force Users to sense.

3. If Jacen does manage to totally loop out of the Force he'll end up like the KOTOR 2 Jedi Masters that faced Kreia.

4. Nihilus is more powerful even without Force Drain, so even if Jacen does loop out of the Force in a manner than allows him to retain all of his powers and not end up like the Masters who faced Kreia (which is impossible for him) he'll still lose."

or maybe, just maybe, the fact that nihilus would be an unknown threat as well as his unusual force presence would convince jacen into realising that nihilus could be for all he knew a threat like no other that he had ever faced and force him into bringing his a-game. is that the definite way the scenario would play out? not necessarily, but neither is yours, yet your trying to act as if it would be. but whatever, i really dont care for arguing these threads by discussing what they would likely do if such a situation ever occurred, but actually what they have the ability to do. and jacen has the ability to own nihilus. nihilus wouldnt be able to stand up against someone who he cant detect. he would get owned, bad.



more like it makes him near impossible to detect
the top njo masters couldnt detect jacen in this state, theres no way nihilus would be able to do so. its really that simple, jacen enters such a state, sneaks up behind nihilus, and slices him into pieces with his lightsaber.



which is????



your looking at this way too superficially
would nihilus be able to overpower jacen with a direct force attack? most definitely
however your brain cant seem to be able to go beyond that level of reasoning, because thats entirely irrelevant, it wont come to that, nihilus would in no way be able to detect jacen, just like the top njo masters who couldnt, and thus would:

a) not be able to target jacen with the force

and

b) not be able to prevent jacen from sneaking up behind him and sabersmashing him

its really that simply, nihilus gets OWNED!

edit - by the way, how is jacen supposed to not be retaining his force powers once he loops exactly?

Originally posted by IOU
or maybe, just maybe, the fact that nihilus would be an unknown threat as well as his unusual force presence would convince jacen into realising that nihilus could be for all he knew a threat like no other that he had ever faced and force him into bringing his a-game. is that the definite way the scenario would play out? not necessarily, but neither is yours, yet your trying to act as if it would be. but whatever, i really dont care for arguing these threads by discussing what they would likely do if such a situation ever occurred, but actually what they have the ability to do. and jacen has the ability to own nihilus. nihilus wouldnt be able to stand up against someone who he cant detect. he would get owned, bad.



more like it makes him near impossible to detect
the top njo masters couldnt detect jacen in this state, theres no way nihilus would be able to do so. its really that simple, jacen enters such a state, sneaks up behind nihilus, and slices him into pieces with his lightsaber.



which is????



your looking at this way too superficially
would nihilus be able to overpower jacen with a direct force attack? most definitely
however your brain cant seem to be able to go beyond that level of reasoning, because thats entirely irrelevant, it wont come to that, nihilus would in no way be able to detect jacen, just like the top njo masters who couldnt, and thus would:

a) not be able to target jacen with the force

and

b) not be able to prevent jacen from sneaking up behind him and sabersmashing him

its really that simply, nihilus gets OWNED!

edit - by the way, how is jacen supposed to not be retaining his force powers once he loops exactly?

you keep saying nihilus can't detect him but he won't need to detect him he just has to ****ing see him.

"His reach in the Force eventually extended to a point where he could feel Force users throughout the Galaxy, cleanse entire planets, killing everything that was touched by the Force"

Yeah, even if Jacen tried to mask his presence I doubt it would work.
Maybe.

Caedoos will kill Nihiloos in his sleep or stab him in the back. Thus making him winrar.

Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
you keep saying nihilus can't detect him but he won't need to detect him he just has to ****ing see him.

too bad nihilus sees only through the force, and too bad the technique makes jacen invisible as well as masks his force presence

As Jacen always stays invisible in the force and Nihilus sees that way Jacen would have no problem in this fight

nihilus doesnt see through the force thats his apprentice.

overlord this is a vs forum. so the point of this fight is to put both of these combatants in an area and have them fight either with a lightsaber or the force non of that attack while sleeping crap.

it's jacen vs nihilus now keep in mind they are both fully aware of each other.

no, he clearly does, seeing as how his living body is physically dead (including his eyes), how exactly would he be able to see if not through he force? i still stand by my decision that jacen gives him a royal ass kicking

Originally posted by IOU
or maybe, just maybe, the fact that nihilus would be an unknown threat as well as his unusual force presence would convince jacen into realising that nihilus could be for all he knew a threat like no other that he had ever faced and force him into bringing his a-game. is that the definite way the scenario would play out? not necessarily, but neither is yours, yet your trying to act as if it would be. but whatever, i really dont care for arguing these threads by discussing what they would likely do if such a situation ever occurred, but actually what they have the ability to do. and jacen has the ability to own nihilus. nihilus wouldnt be able to stand up against someone who he cant detect. he would get owned, bad.

WTF are you talking about? Nihilus is a man. He has eyes. He can see Jacen even if he does hide his Force presence. BTW, an Ancient Sith ship detected Jacen, who it had never met before (the less you know someone the harder it is to detect them), in only a few seconds when Jacen was hiding. If a Sith ship can detect Jacen with the Force a powerful Force User actively searching for him would have no problem doing so.

Originally posted by IOU
more like it makes him near impossible to detect
the top njo masters couldnt detect jacen in this state, theres no way nihilus would be able to do so. its really that simple, jacen enters such a state, sneaks up behind nihilus, and slices him into pieces with his lightsaber.

They were never actively attempting to detect Jacen. If they engaged him in a fight they would be and would have no problem seeing him with the Force. Jacen can bearly use the Force while in this state. Seeing as Nihilus can still Jacen fine with his eyes and will still have full access to his tremendous Force Powers he can just annihlate Jacen with his tremendous Force powers (how about being battered with whatever happens to be in the room flying at him at 500 mph) since Jacen can't do anything with the Force to protect himself while hiding. If he comes out of hiding to do so he simply gets Force Drained in half a second and dies.

Originally posted by IOU
which is????

Not living.

Originally posted by IOU
your looking at this way too superficially
would nihilus be able to overpower jacen with a direct force attack? most definitely
however your brain cant seem to be able to go beyond that level of reasoning, because thats entirely irrelevant, it wont come to that, nihilus would in no way be able to detect jacen, just like the top njo masters who couldnt, and thus would:

You're trying to insult my brain? That's really funny when you're the one who appears to be unable to utilize some approaching proper gammar. Keep working on it though and I'm sure one day they'll let you off the short bus.

Nihilus has eyes. His body is not dead, if it was his corpse would have decayed long before the events of KOTOR 2 and Visas would not have been able to see him after his death. Also note that his eyes are open when he is standning, which doesn't happen with death people.

Originally posted by IOU
a) not be able to target jacen with the force

He's got eyes. And Jacen is a total weakling unless he opens himself to the Force, which he cannot do when hiding. Hiding or not Nihilus pwns him.

Originally posted by IOU
and

b) not be able to prevent jacen from sneaking up behind him and sabersmashing him

its really that simply, nihilus gets OWNED!

You know what really simple? Your mind. My four year old brother can reason through things better than you.

Nihilus has all the senses of a normal person. Jacen hiding his Force presense will do nothing to prevent Nihilus from seeing him and seconds later killing him.

Originally posted by IOU
edit - by the way, how is jacen supposed to not be retaining his force powers once he loops exactly?

Basically there are two ways in which someone could in theory protect themselves from Nihilus' Force Drain.

1. Be a wound in the Force. You can't really gain this though. You just kinda have to be one. This is the only sure fire way to defend youself because the techniques that Luke and Jacen know leave them partially in the Force. This is because unless you are a wound in the Force, of which the Exile appears to be the only one, you automatically die when you completey cut youself off from the Force.

2. Hide your Force Presence so Nihilus can't find your Force presence and drain it. However, this isn't a very good course of action because when hiding your Force presense you can't use the Force in a powerful manner or else that would be detected. It's like a submarine having to maintain total silence when hiding from enemy ships. Even noise, or in this case usuage of the Force, is a possible way for the enemy ship, or Nihilus, to detect you and attack you with depth chargers, or a Force Drain that kills you no matter what.

Jacen would use the second method because the first requires him cutting off his connection to the Force, which he can only do partially so it still might not work, and leaves him totally vunerable to attack. The second method is flawed because Jacen can barely use the Force in while doing this, meaning he would be no match whatsoever for Nihilus. The more power Jacen uses the more likely Nihilus is to detect him. The problem for Jacen is that there is no way he can stand a chance against Nihilus and not be detected and therefor drained.




Soooooooooooooo.............................Jacen gets pwned.

I don't think that's accurate GLentract. An ancient sith ship was built by the ancient sith, who still had techniques future sith haven't heard of nor will. So there's nothing to suggest Nihilus should know how to detect Jacen, just because an ancient sith ship could.

Also Jacens hiding technique in no way weakens his force powers, he doesnt just minimize his force presence like most jedi does he blends in with the force to the point he seems to be just part of the universe,
the sith ship detected how he affected other people to track him, if it was one on one than nihilus wouldnt be able to find him even if he could use the same technique as the sith ship(which no one of its passengers seemed to be able to learn)

Originally posted by kevin-nivek
Also Jacens hiding technique in no way weakens his force powers, he doesnt just minimize his force presence like most jedi does he blends in with the force to the point he seems to be just part of the universe,
the sith ship detected how he affected other people to track him, if it was one on one than nihilus wouldnt be able to find him even if he could use the same technique as the sith ship(which no one of its passengers seemed to be able to learn)

You obviously need to read the Legacy books. Jacen was unable to something as simple as search for his apprentice through the Force while hiding. He is hard to sense because he minimalizes his presence in the Force.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I don't think that's accurate GLentract. An ancient sith ship was built by the ancient sith, who still had techniques future sith haven't heard of nor will. So there's nothing to suggest Nihilus should know how to detect Jacen, just because an ancient sith ship could.

Let me make it clear that I wasn't saying that Nihilus would be able to detect him. I was using that as proof that he was still part of the Force unlike the Exile and therefor drain-able. Nihilus would still need to see him with his eyes.

Jacen doesnt get weaker when he hides in the force, otherwise Jacen wouldnt use it all the time. In sacrifice when Jacens teaches ben how to use the technique he explains it step by step and none of it was making your pressence smaller but melding yourself with the force so that you cant be sensed seperately making yourself invisible in the force
When can he not find ben?

1. nihilus' entire physical body is dead, including his eyes, ergo they wouldnt function properly. know what your talking about fool

2. even if nihilus were able to visibly see jacen, jacen can also use the force to make himself invisible

nihilus wont be able to detect him, bottom line



please dont twist things, jacen was never looped out of the force when the ship detected him, that was just him in his natural state



what the fvck are you smoking, force sense in nature is a passive power, it cant be actively applied



clearly youve only skimmed through the book, as you dont know what the hell ur talking about, there is never any indication given that jacen cant use the force to his utmost in this state



which dont function dipsh1t



except youve yet to establish that jacen is weaker in this state or that nihilus will know where he is



ignoring the fact that uve offered no proof for this crazy assertion, it wouldnt come to that



how the hell will looping out of the force make him not living???? seriously, what the hell are you smoking?



wow, clearly the fact that someone might not give a damn about how their grammar appears on an internet forum is such an alien idea to you huh mister try hard. btw what the hell is up with people here thinking grammar has any relation to someones intelligence? in case you dont know, it doesnt, education =/= intelligence. the fact that you would even make such an implication makes it pretty conclusive that your pretty average in the brains department. ((i put that full stop in especially for you by the way seeing as how important grammar is to you))



clearly his lifeforce or his armour held it together, either way we know for a fact that his living body had the force removed from it during the mandalorian wars, and krayt seems to believe it was transferred to his armour though that hasnt been confirmed



ok now i know your talking bullsh1t, seeing as his eyes arent even visible behind his fricking armour



already been dealt with, youve yet to establish any of this



what really simple?



wow, that was a great one, truly witty

and coming from mr 'more destructive force power ftw' while ignoring all other factors. such as how nihilus is only ever able to sense things on a grand scale?



already been dealt with, youve yet to establish any of this



yeah, nice tactic, try to bore your opponent to death with some dull lecture, real clever



wow, way to misunderstand how the technique works, i really dont need to address this, that other guy understands it much better than you do



even going by your craptastic submarine analogy and applying it to the technique, jacen doesnt need to use the force in excess to destroy nihilus, he can just use his saber which last time i checked doesnt classify as a great usage of the force

Would you mind cleaning your post up? It's a little hard to read.

Edit: Thanks I'll get to it.

u were saying?

Originally posted by kevin-nivek
Jacen doesnt get weaker when he hides in the force, otherwise Jacen wouldnt use it all the time. In sacrifice when Jacens teaches ben how to use the technique he explains it step by step and none of it was making your pressence smaller but melding yourself with the force so that you cant be sensed seperately making yourself invisible in the force
When can he not find ben?


True

Originally posted by IOU
1. nihilus' entire physical body is dead, including his eyes, ergo they wouldnt function properly. know what your talking about fool

If his entire body is dead, then how is he there? Please use proper grammar. And cut the insults, you only make yourself look foolish.

Originally posted by IOU 2. even if nihilus were able to visibly see jacen, jacen can also use the force to make himself invisible

nihilus wont be able to detect him, bottom line

We are talking a about a guy who can sense a jedi on the other side of the galaxy with out a problem. Nihilus kills Jacen, even if he tries to hide.


Originally posted by IOU please dont twist things, jacen was never looped out of the force when the ship detected him, that was just him in his natural state

K


Originally posted by IOU what the fvck are you smoking, force sense in nature is a passive power, it cant be actively applied

Wow, you invented a new word; fvck.

Originally posted by IOU clearly youve only skimmed through the book, as you dont know what the hell ur talking about, there is never any indication given that jacen cant use the force to his utmost in this state



which dont function dipsh1t

Must you be a imbecile and go batshit crazy on someone you dislike?
Again, please user proper grammar and spelling, some people would like to understand your barbaric rants.

Originally posted by IOU except youve yet to establish that jacen is weaker in this state or that nihilus will know where he is

If Nihilus could sense a planet that has Jedi in hiding, he can sure sense Jacen.


Originally posted by IOU how the hell will looping out of the force make him not living???? seriously, what the hell are you smoking?

More unneeded insults..


btw what the hell is up with people here thinking grammar has any relation to someones intelligence?

Because comments like this "Omgz j0z p30pl3 r sup1d, btw 3x@r i5 t3h win!" Show ignorance of grammar and laziness to type full sentences.


Originally posted by IOU in case you dont know, it doesnt, education =/= intelligence.

Then use proper grammar! if you want to make yourself look like a dunce, please continue with the crazy comments.


Originally posted by IOU ok now i know your talking bullsh1t, seeing as his eyes arent even visible behind his fricking armour

Again, you looked under Nihilus' mask? Holy shit! When did you meet him? Nihilus has eyes!

Originally posted by IOU and coming from mr 'more destructive force power ftw' while ignoring all other factors. such as how nihilus is only ever able to sense things on a grand scale?

The Force.

Originally posted by IOU even going by your craptastic submarine analogy and applying it to the technique, jacen doesnt need to use the force in excess to destroy nihilus, he can just use his saber which last time i checked doesnt classify as a great usage of the force


Even Saber wise, Jacen is most likely to die.

pay attention to kotor2 and the legacy comics, nihilus died a physical death and transferred his lifeforce to his armour







indeed i do




the difference is dipsh1t, nihilus was able to sense an entire planet filled with force sensitives that werent trying to hide themselves. in case u didnt know, the larger the presence in the force that your sensing is, the easier it is to sense. jacen is one person, who can hide his force presence form people like kyp durron and luke skywalker (who are >>>>>>> nihilus).



why thank you



yeah, werent you the guy telling me i need to work on my grammar? that was a colon you were supposed to put in there, not a semi colon silly one




thats nice, refer to the above, get some proper grammar skillz yourself before trying to critique someone else



again, know what ur talking about, a greater number of jedi would be easier to sense, not the other way round, it would be like me saying that because i can see a swarm of wasps from a distance i would therefor be able to do the same with a single wasp from the same distance with even more ease. see how silly that is?



More whining like a b1tch..



no, it doesnt show ignorance of grammar you moron, it shows lack of caring and/or laziness

the fact that u come out with this sh1t makes it clear that you're the 'dunce'.



sure thing, and if you don't want to make yourself look like a dunce, id suggest you stop posting, because everything you come out with displays a clear lack of a brain



again, pay attention, get your facts straight before coming out with this crap. his physical body is dead (in case u didnt know, that includes his eyes), his eyes would in no way function properly



wow, clearly you missed how it was explicitly stated that nihilus sees only planets, not people, and how he wasnt able to sense the exiles party boarding the ravager

his power lies in his hunger, and no one person is worth his attention



disregarding the fact that u misread my post (i never said that they would engage in a saber duel you dunce, looks like im adding bad reading comprehension to your list as well as ignorance, stupidity and shoddy grammar skills), to even make the claim that nihilus would be able to stand up to jacen in a saber duel is ludicrous, last i checked he had no proven saber skills whatsoever, very little experience at best, and to even assume that hed care about his saber skills completely goes against his character

kyp durron and luke skywalker (who are >>>>>>> nihilus).

At the start of Battle Nihilus instantly takes this.
he's drain now, talk later.


yeah, werent you the guy telling me i need to work on my grammar? that was a colon you were supposed to put in there, not a semi colon silly one



thats nice, refer to the above, get some proper grammar skillz yourself before trying to critique someone else

You too, you too.


More whining like a b1tch..

Another insult from the peanut gallery....

no, it doesnt show ignorance of grammar you moron, it shows lack of caring and/or laziness

That's even worse!

the fact that u come out with this sh1t makes it clear that you're the 'dunce'.

"Must the weak minded speak strong?"


sure thing, and if you don't want to make yourself look like a dunce, id suggest you stop posting, because everything you come out with displays a clear lack of a brain

"Must the weak minded speak strong?"

again, pay attention, get your facts straight before coming out with this crap. his physical body is dead (in case u didnt know, that includes his eyes), his eyes would in no way function properly

Just because he kept himself alive by binding his essence to his armor doesn't mean he wouldn't still have a physical body. In fact, it implies that he would necessarily have a physical body, as he'd otherwise be both a ghost and unable to use the Force.


last i checked he had no proven saber skills whatsoever, very little experience at best, and to even assume that hed care about his saber skills completely goes against his character

"Darth Nihilus wielded a red-bladed lightsaber and fought in a one-handed aggressive style; however, he rarely had to use it. He had learned the greatest of the Sith teachings but such practices took the form of dependence."

Originally posted by ThoraxeRMG
In fact, it implies that he would necessarily have a physical body as he'd otherwise be both a ghost and unable to use the Force.

Wrong. Warb Null, who essentially did the same thing (merged his essense with armor), was able to call upon the Force:

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1310/warbnull4kbhs1.th.png
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/155/darkforce2frk2.th.png

"... practice in the dark side of the Force.

The evil warrior pressed a dark force against his opponent". You were saying?

<edit> And to top it off

God damnit people! CHARACTERS. ARE. NOT. OMNIPOTENT. They can't predict or anticipate an opponent's move that they never faced. WHICH MEANS THEY WON'T GO OUT OF THE FORCE LOOP, CAUSE THEY. WON'T. KNOW. GET IT INSIDE YOUR HEADS.

"or maybe, just maybe, the fact that nihilus would be an unknown threat as well as his unusual force presence would convince jacen into realising that nihilus could be for all he knew a threat like no other that he had ever faced and force him into bringing his a-game."

Originally posted by IOU
"or maybe, just maybe, the fact that nihilus would be an unknown threat as well as his unusual force presence would convince jacen into realising that nihilus could be for all he knew a threat like no other that he had ever faced and force him into bringing his a-game."

j00 cannot read people's mind. Nor say what they're gonna do.

Originally posted by JesusTheChrist
God damnit people! CHARACTERS. ARE. NOT. OMNIPOTENT. They can't predict or anticipate an opponent's move that they never faced. WHICH MEANS THEY WON'T GO OUT OF THE FORCE LOOP, CAUSE THEY. WON'T. KNOW. GET IT INSIDE YOUR HEADS.


True

neither can j00

at least my scenario makes sense, unlike your's where jacen will apparently let an unknown and mysterious threat make the first move, and just stand there...

Originally posted by IOU
"bringing his a-game."

Nice one, Numan.

Originally posted by IOU
neither can j00

at least my scenario makes sense, unlike your's where jacen will apparently let an unknown and mysterious threat make the first move, and just stand there...

We can't predict, we're not inside Jacen's head are we? But we can assume, Nihilus will try to drain Jacen as his first move as, its evident in KOTOR 2, Nihilus is "DRAIN FIRST, SABERFIGHT LATER"

really, i always got the impression that he was a "STUN FIRST, DRAIN LATER" kind of guy, like he was against the exile and her party

or a "FORCE PUSH FIRST, LET SION KICK ASS LATER" kind of guy like he was with traya

hmm, looks like your theory that nihilus will just go and attempt to drain jacen right away is completely unsupported now huh?

and you say 'we can't predict, but we can assume' well i can just do the same and assume that jacen will loop out right away based on reasons already mentioned, which is clearly more logical than your stance. and jacen can do so at the speed of thought, we know that nihilus at least has to raise his hand to perform a drain... face it, in all scenarios, nihilus gets OWNED

Originally posted by Advent
Nice one, Numan.

i thought it was nebaris? come on now, make up your mind

You know, I'm not so sure Numan is even a separate person from Nebaris. Both claimed to be extremely young, stole Lana's signatures (if I recall correctly), and acted like pompous jackasses (albeit, it was/is funny).

Even so, now I know you're Nebaris.

u got that from my last post?

Originally posted by IOU
u got that from my last post?

Yeah, where you called me "mokoto":

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5589/nebmokoto4dgo3.png

Remember now? Lol.

haha, got caught before you edited it! Nice one, Advent.

lol how in the blue hell did you get that screenshot?

man and there was me thinking i was real slick with the edit button..

ok advent now that you know i beg you to edit that out and just pretend that it never happened, or hell will be unleashed, and i mean serious business here

Originally posted by IOU
really, i always got the impression that he was a "STUN FIRST, DRAIN LATER" kind of guy, like he was against the exile and her party

or a "FORCE PUSH FIRST, LET SION KICK ASS LATER" kind of guy like he was with traya

hmm, looks like your theory that nihilus will just go and attempt to drain jacen right away is completely unsupported now huh?

and you say 'we can't predict, but we can assume' well i can just do the same and assume that jacen will loop out right away based on reasons already mentioned, which is clearly more logical than your stance. and jacen can do so at the speed of thought, we know that nihilus at least has to raise his hand to perform a drain... face it, in all scenarios, nihilus gets OWNED

WTF? What game did you play? I remember when the Exile and party first met Nihilus and fought him, Nihilus was unable to drain him, weakened, and fought us without drain. It's not very assumption as the damn CUTSCENE proves my damn point.

Originally posted by IOU
i thought it was nebaris? come on now, make up your mind Another clue would be "London"

Originally posted by Advent
You know, I'm not so sure Numan is even a separate person from Nebaris. Both claimed to be extremely young, stole Lana's signatures (if I recall correctly), and acted like pompous jackasses (albeit, it was/is funny).

Even so, now I know you're Nebaris. He is nebaris. Obviously through the way he structures his sentences and the language he uses like when something astonishes him he would go "He frickin did this that this that"

OF course it's Noobaris. Who thought it was anybody else? Sheesh its a good thing you guys aren't detectives.

Hell, for me, it was when you went to the Heroes thread that revealed your /alter ego!!1. That said, you've done a damn good job about keeping the Bane fanboyism at bay.

Originally posted by IOU
ok advent now that you know i beg you to edit that out and just pretend that it never happened, or hell will be unleashed, and i mean serious business here

Advent, you better edit that out, hes gonna tell his Mom! haermm

Originally posted by JesusTheChrist
WTF? What game did you play? I remember when the Exile and party first met Nihilus and fought him, Nihilus was unable to drain him, weakened, and fought us without drain. It's not very assumption as the damn CUTSCENE proves my damn point.

yeah, clearly you forgot how he stuns the entire party first, before attempting to drain them, which destroys your 'Nihilus is a drain first type of guy' argument

Originally posted by IOU
yeah, clearly you forgot how he stuns the entire party first, before attempting to drain them, which destroys your 'Nihilus is a drain first type of guy' argument

No Sock, play the damn game again.

Originally posted by JesusTheChrist
No Sock, play the damn game again.

Calling him a "sock" really doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. Hell, even Darth Jesus agrees with him:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AAS_B_qTOW4

Originally posted by Advent
Calling him a "sock" really doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. Hell, even Darth Jesus agrees with him:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AAS_B_qTOW4

Oh I beg that scene is edited. Are you sure thats the correct vid? I'm gonna play KOTOR 2 again to make sure. Apologies to IOU anyway.

However, doesn't change the fact that Caedus will not instantly go to loophole.

owned by darth jesus