Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

Could a perfect and grand world ever exist? One containing no violence, man-slaughter, indecency, or otherwise imperfections. How could a golden and beautiful Utopian society ever exist? What measures would have to be reached? Would the outcome be attained through Supernatural means?

This is not a thread to spout endless Chrisitian theories on Heaven being this sight worthy, flawless world...

In my opinion no, it couldn't exist. Mainly due to the fact that for everyone to agree, opinions would have to be suppressed or ridden of, which to me wouldn't be a perfect world.

Well, that wouldn't be perfect for someone that wants to induce violence, right?

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
Could a perfect and grand world ever exist? One containing no violence, man-slaughter, indecency, or otherwise imperfections. How could a golden and beautiful Utopian society ever exist? What measures would have to be reached? Would the outcome be attained through Supernatural means?

This is not a thread to spout endless Chrisitian theories on Heaven being this sight worthy, flawless world...

Did you ever read the book Utopia? The whole thing is a joke about how the concept is impossible. He mentions two perfect places one has a name that means "Much Nonsense" the other is Utopia which mean "Not A Place".

I tend to agree with the idea that there is no such place as an eutopia.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
Could a perfect and grand world ever exist? One containing no violence, man-slaughter, indecency, or otherwise imperfections. How could a golden and beautiful Utopian society ever exist? What measures would have to be reached? Would the outcome be attained through Supernatural means?

This is not a thread to spout endless Chrisitian theories on Heaven being this sight worthy, flawless world...

Nah. As long as there are nations, there will be war. And I am guessing there will always be nations.
The very first war was waged with the creation of the nation/state.

Now that I think about it... everyone would have different opinions on what Utopia is and should be? -ponders- What about a crimeless world? Happiness, bliss, sunshine? A warless existence. That's my idea for Utopia... What're yours?

And for the person that wants to induce violence well, all I can suggest is sucking a lemon...

My idea of Utopia would be a world where personal freedom was infinite, as long as you do no harm onto others it's OK.

would have been nice to have a decent poll rather than those otf style gibberish options.


anyway i believe utopia is possible for the future of mankind, but we are just not evolved and mature enough as a species to make that happen any time soon.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
My idea of Utopia would be a world where personal freedom was infinite, as long as you do no harm onto others it's OK.

If you can't rape, steal, kill, assault, or extort it's still basically America... well you can be gay with out any real conscionable standard...

Originally posted by Schecter
would have been nice to have a decent poll rather than those otf style gibberish options.


anyway i believe utopia is possible for the future of mankind, but we are just not evolved and mature enough as a species to make that happen any time soon.

I got kinda "pheh" with the options when I got to the third one, sue me...

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
If you can't rape, steal, kill, assault, or extort it's still basically America... well you can be gay with out any real conscionable standard...

There's a lot you can't do to yourself in America.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
There's a lot you can't do to yourself in America.

As long as it's behind closed doors and away from the public eye people start to not care. Which is another thing my Utopia would entail. Every has a deep feeling of care and compassion for every one person and doesn't bilk a person for their contradistinctions...

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
As long as it's behind closed doors and away from the public eye people start to not care. Which is another thing my Utopia would entail. Every has a deep feeling of care and compassion for every one person and doesn't bilk a person for their contradistinctions...

Well they do, I would think that the local golf club wouldn't think much of somebody who takes heroin. I mean that legally personal freedom would be infinite, not if you do so in a certain way people won't mind.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Well they do, I would think that the local golf club wouldn't think much of somebody who takes heroin. I mean that legally personal freedom would be infinite, not if you do so in a certain way people won't mind.

I see. My world would do away with drugs, which in itself would decrease crime by a great deal. And in a perfect world, wouldn't the freedom to legally take drugs get out of hand? Among other things, it would result in a great deal of pain and turmoil...

That's where ideas of Utopia differ. I believe that giving ultimate responsibility to people in their own lives is the way, you don't.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
That's where ideas of Utopia differ. I believe that giving ultimate responsibility to people in their own lives is the way, you don't.

We've given people the responsibility to vote, one of the most important acts of patriotic duty, yet they sit home on election day making up excuses about why it was too inconvenient for them to make the date. IN other countries people get bound and gagged for not supoprting their countries. Americans squander their rights by becoming too attached to the fact that they can do what they want. Giving them more rights of citizenship won't resolve the problem, at least not in my opinion... Remaking the world could rectify that...

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Nah. As long as there are nations, there will be war. And I am guessing there will always be nations.
The very first war was waged with the creation of the nation/state.

B-by definition of course.

Your basing everything on problems in your own country, and are trying to solve those problems by 'remaking' the world.
So what if people don't want to vote? they've been given the option not to, why shouldn't they use that option? EDIT: in response to Ashestoahses.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Your basing everything on problems in your own country, and are trying to solve those problems by 'remaking' the world.
So what if people don't want to vote? they've been given the option not to, why shouldn't they use that option? EDIT: in response to Ashestoahses.

I simply may not have expressed myself correctly, but think of this:

America has a powerful standing in the effects of the world, if a couple thousand people with the idea that "Well what's one vote?" decide to not vote we may end up with a bad president. With a bad president America in turn becomes bad. That in effect will alter the entire world...

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
I simply may not have expressed myself correctly, but think of this:

America has a powerful standing in the effects of the world, if a couple thousand people with the idea that "Well what's one vote?" decide to not vote we may end up with a bad president. With a bad president America in turn becomes bad. That in effect will alter the entire world...

Ever thought that people who actually care enough about politics to vote on it, may make a more informed decision?

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
I got kinda "pheh" with the options when I got to the third one, sue me...

fair enough. you'll be hearing from my attorney

Originally posted by Schecter
fair enough. you'll be hearing from my attorney

I'll await that call happily!

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Ever thought that people who actually care enough about politics to vote on it, may make a more informed decision?

I suppose, but I'm still entailed to my opinion, as are you. Could you elaborate as to why you wish for people to have more freedom? What about the consequences?

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
Could a perfect and grand world ever exist? One containing no violence, man-slaughter, indecency, or otherwise imperfections. How could a golden and beautiful Utopian society ever exist? What measures would have to be reached? Would the outcome be attained through Supernatural means?

This is not a thread to spout endless Chrisitian theories on Heaven being this sight worthy, flawless world...

No

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
I suppose, but I'm still entailed to my opinion, as are you. Could you elaborate as to why you wish for people to have more freedom? What about the consequences?

Because I believe people should be responsible for their own consequences in their own lives. As soon as it affects other people, I do think that it should be punishable. But if it doesn't affect others I don't see why it's anyone else's business.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
I'll await that call happily!

dont worry just yet. im willing to settle out of court for a substantial compensation for suffering and mental anguish.

Originally posted by Schecter
dont worry just yet. im willing to settle out of court for a substantial compensation for suffering and mental anguish.

Who says I wasn't anguished? I could've suffered from proverbial whiplash... Plus I'm not old enough to work and too lazy to get an allowance... I'm broke!

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Because I believe people should be responsible for their own consequences in their own lives. As soon as it affects other people, I do think that it should be punishable. But if it doesn't affect others I don't see why it's anyone else's business.

It's not, but given that much freedom people are sure to take advantage! My perfect world is the very invisionment of Eden itself!

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Because I believe people should be responsible for their own consequences in their own lives. As soon as it affects other people, I do think that it should be punishable. But if it doesn't affect others I don't see why it's anyone else's business.
If you want to enforce your freedom, than simply have the power to do so. If you don't, than it's your own fault for being weak.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
It's not, but given that much freedom people are sure to take advantage! My perfect world is the very invisionment of Eden itself!

There's no such thing as perfection.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
If you want to enforce your freedom, than simply have the power to do so. If you don't, than it's your own fault for being weak.



There's no such thing as perfection.

You don't enforce freedom.

A Utopian society is impossible, as it would have to be a dystopia to even have a hope of maintaining itself. Ever read "Brave New World" by Huxley? He makes a specific point about how that world might seem like a Utopia, but has abolished human feeling to a great degree in order to maintain order.

As for Thomas More's work, More was a widely known satirist, and he himself acknowledged the fickle, inconstant nature of people (he was beheaded by a fickle, inconstant king, after all), so no, not very likely that humanity will ever reach utopia.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
You don't enforce freedom.

You protect your freedom, unless you think freedom is really free??

Enforcing freedom? Oh dear, you guys are sounding more like an Orwell novel all the time.

"Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others."

In all seriousness though, a Utopia couldn't really exist. Would you ever be completely content?

Even if my far out goals of Utopia are so easily shot down, what about a world with minimal war and outcry and a low amount of crime and poverty. That's at least a reasonable and attainable feat...

This very thread proves Utopia could not exist. People always have different opinions and trying to please all by finding a middle ground, is absolutely impossible. It would only be suppressing opinions, which is no Utopia, unless you want to have less control over your own mind.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
Even if my far out goals of Utopia are so easily shot down, what about a world with minimal war and outcry and a low amount of crime and poverty. That's at least a reasonable and attainable feat...

Very feasible, actually, even with modern technology. Of course, it'd require some Marxist distribution of wealth, but... *shrugs*

Personally, I like capitalism. It enforces the notion that all men are born equal, but don't necessarily stay so throughout their lives.

I like socialism, or Marxism.There's virtually no poverty and everyone is literaly equal. There's no peer pressure because everyone has the same things... in other words... no envy...

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
I like socialism, or Marxism.There's virtually no poverty and everyone is literaly equal. There's no peer pressure because everyone has the same things...
But, people are not equal in terms of skill, Marxism ignores that which is why it fails. In a marxist country, even if you work harder than the average joe your wages remain the same. Hard work should be rewarded, in proportions to how hard you work.

Also, there is no such thing as individual property rights in marxism.

The distribution of wealth is a nice idea. But personally I cannot see anything more equal than if you work hard you get more.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
The distribution of wealth is a nice idea. But personally I cannot see anything more equal than if you work hard you get more.

Agree'd.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
But, people are not equal in terms of skill, Marxism ignores that which is why it fails. In a marxist country, even if you work harder than the average joe your wages remain the same. Hard work should be rewarded, in proportions to how hard you work.

Also, there is no such thing as individual property rights in marxism.

Even in capitalism hard work is not always rewarded. I could work just as hard, even harder than a man and only earn 80% of what he earns. Is that fair? No. But with Socialism earnings are equal. In principle it's better than capitalism. It supports an equal environment...

...

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
Even in capitalism hard work is not always rewarded. I could work just as hard, even harder than a man and only earn 80% of what he earns. Is that fair? No. But with Socialism earnings are equal. In principle it's better than capitalism. It supports an equal environment...
But, people are not equal in terms of skill. Imagine if you will working your butt off, but earn the same wages as some lazy bum who puts less than half as you do in the working enviorment.

Would that be fair to you, would your moral still be the same?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
But, people are not equal in terms of skill. Imagine if you will working your butt off, but earn the same wages as some lazy bum who puts less than half as you do in the working enviorment.

Would that be fair to you, would your moral still be the same?

I suppose not... I've been beaten... -explodes into dust- I still believe in Utopia...

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
I like socialism, or Marxism.There's virtually no poverty and everyone is literaly equal. There's no peer pressure because everyone has the same things... in other words... no envy...

not true imho. if you're working alot harder to earn that same amount as someone else is, you will likely be envious.

the heart of the issue imho is obnoxiously out-of-proportion wealth....billionares.
i have no problem with doctors making much more money than me. they work much harder to get where they are, their jobs are far more difficult, they are entitled.

i do however believe that the fatal flaw of capitalism is its nature to merge/overgrow/monopolise and for a tiny minority to hold more wealth than tha majority combined.

not trying to make it black/white. i know this is not easily solved, but i believe firmly that the way to preserve healthy commerce is to knock down/split up the bloated giants.

Originally posted by Schecter
not true imho. if you're working alot harder to earn that same amount as someone else is, you will likely be envious.

the heart of the issue imho is obnoxiously out-of-proportion wealth....billionares.
i have no problem with doctors making much more money than me. they work much harder to get where they are, their jobs are far more difficult, they are entitled.

i do however believe that the fatal flaw of capitalism is its nature to merge/overgrow/monopolise and for a tiny minority to hold more wealth than tha majority combined.

not trying to make it black/white. i know this is not easily solved, but i believe firmly that the way to preserve healthy commerce is to knock down/split up the bloated giants.

I guess no matter how much I fight, perfection cannot be attained. I can dream though, can't I? The always painted a light blue. Smiling faces, free from care and anxieties. One religion, one race, one family. I guess that does sound too much like a far off and distant idea, millions of years from realization. Couldn't you picture it though? Children playing, laughing, frolicking? Beautiful... I can almost envision it...

i think true utopia involves no religion, race, or isolation of any kind. be it individual, family, community, or country. of course we're not willing to give up our sense of "mine/ours". its impossible, barring significant evolving of our ideals and collective conscience....i hope that came out right

Originally posted by Schecter
i think true utopia involves no religion, race, or isolation of any kind. be it individual, family, community, or country. of course we're not willing to give up our sense of "mine/ours". its impossible, barring significant evolving of our ideals and collective conscience....i hope that came out right

Be at least a little optimistic. What if it were plausible? Would you enjoy it or sit around pointing out every flaw you could (and wouldn't) find?

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
Be at least a little optimistic. What if it were plausible? Would you enjoy it or sit around pointing out every flaw you could (and wouldn't) find?

That sounds like hell.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
Could a perfect and grand world ever exist? One containing no violence, man-slaughter, indecency, or otherwise imperfections. How could a golden and beautiful Utopian society ever exist? What measures would have to be reached? Would the outcome be attained through Supernatural means?

No, there need be no supernatural means, nor will there be. This world will be what we make of it.

To answer the question, yes...utopia is possible. But no one wants to go through what it would take to achieve it.

Utopia is Fictional Literature.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
Be at least a little optimistic. What if it were plausible? Would you enjoy it or sit around pointing out every flaw you could (and wouldn't) find?

i dont thing you got a grasp of what i was saying, or perhaps i worded it wrong. either way you didnt get the point

If you could leave minor dissent out the of the picture (there is always someone who does not agree and murderers,etc, though many of htem can be prevented) a utopian...or as close as we will come to it, world, might be possible. It would look more like a unified United States of the globe, and would need one common beleif system (not religious faith)-like the samurai code without the killing part. Its worked in small-scale societies to an extent, therefore, HYPOTHETICALLY it could work on a large basis. It would need some very major, important, unifiying moment though to spurr it.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
Could a perfect and grand world ever exist? One containing no violence, man-slaughter, indecency, or otherwise imperfections. How could a golden and beautiful Utopian society ever exist? What measures would have to be reached? Would the outcome be attained through Supernatural means?

This is not a thread to spout endless Chrisitian theories on Heaven being this sight worthy, flawless world... If everybody would just smoke weed the world would be such a beautiful place...

Originally posted by The Black Ghost
If you could leave minor dissent out the of the picture (there is always someone who does not agree and murderers,etc, though many of htem can be prevented) a utopian...or as close as we will come to it, world, might be possible. It would look more like a unified United States of the globe, and would need one common beleif system (not religious faith)-like the samurai code without the killing part. Its worked in small-scale societies to an extent, therefore, HYPOTHETICALLY it could work on a large basis. It would need some very major, important, unifiying moment though to spurr it.

sounds like any beginning of a fascist dictatorship.

leave minor dissent out of the picture? utopia has no minor decent because its perfect. to force people out is not very well perfect in any way. united states unified? major unifying moment? these are all delusions which are the wet dreams of dictators seeking power.

Originally posted by Schecter
fair enough. you'll be hearing from my attorney

As your attorney, I advise you to take a hit out of the little brown bottle in my shaving kit. You won't need much, just a tiny taste.

Bit of fear and loathing.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
I like socialism, or Marxism.There's virtually no poverty and everyone is literaly equal. There's no peer pressure because everyone has the same things... in other words... no envy...

Marxism is actually communism - socialism is one step after capitalism, and a step before communism.Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
But, people are not equal in terms of skill, Marxism ignores that which is why it fails. In a marxist country, even if you work harder than the average joe your wages remain the same. Hard work should be rewarded, in proportions to how hard you work.

Also, there is no such thing as individual property rights in marxism.

You are confused about communism. Marx states that there will be no wages in communism. It is an exchange of labor, from one to another.

Money is redundant, in communism, thus, you don't do something because you want to earn more, or because you want status, you do it for the good of everyone.

THAT is why it does not work.

If Communism is to work, it needs to happen on a global scale - ie, every single country in the world needs to be communist.
Marx said that it cannot happen anyway, not until the world has gone through capitalism completely, then through socialism, and then reaching communism as a final triumph.
Hence Stalin's 5 year plan.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Marxism is actually communism - socialism is one step after capitalism, and a step before communism.

You are confused about communism. Marx states that there will be no wages in communism. It is an exchange of labor, from one to another.

Money is redundant, in communism, thus, you don't do something because you want to earn more, or because you want status, you do it for the good of everyone.

THAT is why it does not work.

If Communism is to work, it needs to happen on a global scale - ie, every single country in the world needs to be communist.
Marx said that it cannot happen anyway, not until the world has gone through capitalism completely, then through socialism, and then reaching communism as a final triumph.
Hence Stalin's 5 year plan.


Communism bites... It's the extreme version of Marxism and on a large scale could make for an exact oppisite of a Utopia. Remember what I said about Supernatural means? Using this to bend people, make them all the same. With the advances we as a country have made ALONE, what couls happen if the entire world pooled it's resourses. If we can destroy the world we can also make a better one. Everyone just has to believe in the impossible.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Marxism is actually communism - socialism is one step after capitalism, and a step before communism.

You are confused about communism. Marx states that there will be no wages in communism. It is an exchange of labor, from one to another.

Money is redundant, in communism, thus, you don't do something because you want to earn more, or because you want status, you do it for the good of everyone.

THAT is why it does not work.

If Communism is to work, it needs to happen on a global scale - ie, every single country in the world needs to be communist.
Marx said that it cannot happen anyway, not until the world has gone through capitalism completely, then through socialism, and then reaching communism as a final triumph.
Hence Stalin's 5 year plan.

Yeah, I forgot abouut that,but I wasn't talking about it in the same way Karl Marx was.

Again I ask, what's so wrong with believing in a perfect world? Problem with change? Or would you rather still have beloved family members go into pointless warfare because of the stupidity of one man?

Because it's unrealistic, and everyone's idea of perfect is different.

At least someone understands exactly what I see in my vision...

That prety much sums up the vision, but I suppose without seeing it for yourself with my minds eye all my points are void and invalid?

In my perfect world; people would know the difference between 'their' and 'there'.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
At least someone understands exactly what I see in my vision...

Your vision isn't what everybody wants though. Hitler his perfect world have been one without jews. Yours would then automatically be one without Hitler, that's not very nice against people like Hitler now is it?

Perfection is impossible, it will never happen. Searching for it is useless, you must be realistic look at the best that you can do and try to get that, and once your there perhaps look for something better.

the big miconception is that a true utopia would come from passing laws/reform/revolution. its not something we will fight to achieve. if at all possible its something that will simply happen. people who believe that a utopia can be made exist are begging for a catastrophy and really imho are the lowest form of idiots.
some of the greatest crimes against humanity have started with the call for a perfect state. **** that

Originally posted by Schecter
the big miconception is that a true utopia would come from passing laws/reform/revolution. its not something we will fight to achieve. if at all possible its something that will simply happen. people who believe that a utopia can be made exist are begging for a catastrophy and really imho are the lowest form of idiots.
some of the greatest crimes against humanity have started with the call for a perfect state. **** that

Which is the biggest problem, in order to create a perfect state you would have to sacrifice one thing to gain something else. For instance in order to have a perfect socialist state you would need an incredibly powerful economy. The way to get there is not through socialism.

The same would go for a perfect economy, it couldn't exist without some form of socialism to take care of the week and the poor and to provide them with education and a chance in life, otherwise it will hurt the economy. But you can't get there at once. You need to increase one and decrease the other otherwise you won't get anywhere.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
Could a perfect and grand world ever exist? One containing no violence, man-slaughter, indecency, or otherwise imperfections. How could a golden and beautiful Utopian society ever exist? What measures would have to be reached? Would the outcome be attained through Supernatural means?

This is not a thread to spout endless Chrisitian theories on Heaven being this sight worthy, flawless world...

Isn't there just a "no" answer, the only options you give me are "Yes" or "I don't give a shit"

Originally posted by The Black Ghost
If you could leave minor dissent out the of the picture (there is always someone who does not agree and murderers,etc, though many of htem can be prevented) a utopian...or as close as we will come to it, world, might be possible. It would look more like a unified United States of the globe, and would need one common beleif system (not religious faith)-like the samurai code without the killing part. Its worked in small-scale societies to an extent, therefore, HYPOTHETICALLY it could work on a large basis. It would need some very major, important, unifiying moment though to spurr it. Abortion: Legal or not?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Abortion: Legal or not?

not.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Abortion: Legal or not?

How about this? In a perfect (and i do mean perfect) world there would be no NEED for abortion, hence neither abortion legislation. People would not screw up and get a woman pregnant unless it was carefully planned.

Originally posted by Naz
not. Not my Utopia then.

Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
How about this? In a perfect (and i do mean perfect) world there would be no NEED for abortion, hence neither abortion legislation. People would not screw up and get a woman pregnant unless it was carefully planned. Babies would not be deformed or in other ways handicapped. The lives of the mothers would never be threatened. Well....I like perfect worlds too, but the dude I quoted said that it would be possible in reality...that's just not reality.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Babies would not be deformed or in other ways handicapped. The lives of the mothers would never be threatened. Well....I like perfect worlds too, but the dude I quoted said that it would be possible in reality...that's just not reality.

I think that there would be less of a controversy surrounding Abortion If the reasons you listed above (reasons we have no control over) were the only reasons to decide on a abortion. Meaning in the "utopia"(where things are realistically ALMOST perfect) there would be A LOT less people against it. what say you?

no i think thats just your opinion and most prolifers seem to be a part of the "god decides all" camp...unless you're braindead and hooked up to machines...in which case god's decision is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Schecter
no i think thats just your opinion and most prolifers seem to be a part of the "god decides all" camp...unless you're braindead and hooked up to machines...in which case god's decision is irrelevant.

You talking to me? If so..
I know it is my opinion hence the "I think". Good job........ and I was talking about Abortion specifically, not Euthanasia.

Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
I think that there would be less of a controversy surrounding Abortion If the reasons you listed above (reasons we have no control over) were the only reasons to decide on a abortion. Meaning in the "utopia"(where things are realistically ALMOST perfect) there would be A LOT less people against it. what say you? Actually I agree, it would probably be less controversial...but in a perfect world there wouldn't be Christians...so it doesn't matter really

Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
You talking to me? If so..
I know it is my opinion hence the "I think". Good job........ and I was talking about Abortion specifically, not Euthanasia.

brush your hair. my point messed it up as it flew over your head.

Originally posted by Schecter
brush your hair. my point messed it up as it flew over your head.

Then explain, seemed like totally pointless ramble that had nothing to do with what I said.



Originally posted by Bardock42
Actually I agree, it would probably be less controversial...but in a perfect world there wouldn't be Christians...so it doesn't matter really


Well there would be practically no Christians. I've met SOME Christians that were decent people, not judmental, loving, caring and understanding. Actually in regards to abortion, I've met some christians who were against abortions as a way of birth control but understood how a abortion could be justified under cases of rape, birth defects, possible death of a mother and so forth. Also remeber that christians are not the only one who are "pro-life", for example Muslims, Jews, and even some Buddhist and hare krishnas are for life. Unless you would wipe all them out too, I think people here already mentioned that.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
Could a perfect and grand world ever exist? One containing no violence, man-slaughter, indecency, or otherwise imperfections. How could a golden and beautiful Utopian society ever exist? What measures would have to be reached? Would the outcome be attained through Supernatural means?

This is not a thread to spout endless Chrisitian theories on Heaven being this sight worthy, flawless world...

There is no such thing as a Utopian world, because what is a perfect and grand world to me, is not necessarily a perfect and grand world to you.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is no such thing as a Utopian world, because what is a perfect and grand world to me, is not necessarily a perfect and grand world to you.

But tell me is my idea of Utopia a grotesque world to you? Could no one agree on it?



Actually it has "no" right under "yes"... -sigh- The reading abilities of the world appall me...

Their must be some way for the entire world to come to an understanding? Peace? Maybe I should create a World Peace board instead?

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
But tell me is my idea of Utopia a grotesque world to you? Could no one agree on it?



Was the Nazi idea of the thousand year reign, a utopian world?

No one could ever agree on what a utopian world is.

The idea of Utopia is to provide humans with the basic means of survival in a social way. That means:

Food
Shelter
Clothes
Sex

That means you work for free and get things for free. Also there is basically no time for entertainment. I'll be damn if I have to share my favorite jacket or let others use my Nintendo DS. Much less even let someone drive my car. It's my stuff get your stinkin paws off them.

So if you want Utopia be ready to give away everything you have work so hard for free. Screw this system. Capitalist pig till the day I die. Bah!

Or not?...

What's something that everyone here could agree on?

That utopia is absolutely impossible

I doubt it. Simply because there are too many differences in the world. And people have different views of what's their ultimate utopia. That doesn't necessary mean there's no hope, I just very much doubt it.

Regards, Yvonne

Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
Then explain, seemed like totally pointless ramble that had nothing to do with what I said.






Well there would be practically no Christians. I've met SOME Christians that were decent people, not judmental, loving, caring and understanding. Actually in regards to abortion, I've met some christians who were against abortions as a way of birth control but understood how a abortion could be justified under cases of rape, birth defects, possible death of a mother and so forth. Also remeber that christians are not the only one who are "pro-life", for example Muslims, Jews, and even some Buddhist and hare krishnas are for life. Unless you would wipe all them out too, I think people here already mentioned that.

I wouldn't wipe anyone out, I just think my ideal utopia would have no Religions...

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
But tell me is my idea of Utopia a grotesque world to you? Could no one agree on it?



Actually it has "no" right under "yes"... -sigh- The reading abilities of the world appall me...

That is kinda funny in that sad ironic way...cause....if you could read...you would see....that there is no "no".

"I'm not sure" is not equal to "no"

Originally posted by Bardock42 That is kinda funny in that sad ironic way...cause....if you could read...you would see....that there is no "no".

"I'm not sure" is not equal to "no"

I don't remember writing that post O_O!
...
...
O_O
...
Who the ****'s been on my comp!?!

Bump

Cause I'm retarded...

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
Could a perfect and grand world ever exist? One containing no violence, man-slaughter, indecency, or otherwise imperfections. How could a golden and beautiful Utopian society ever exist? What measures would have to be reached? Would the outcome be attained through Supernatural means?

This is not a thread to spout endless Chrisitian theories on Heaven being this sight worthy, flawless world...

you'd probably have to kill alot of people who disagree or disobey the rules of the utopia

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
you'd probably have to kill alot of people who disagree or disobey the rules of the utopia

Mmhmm

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
you'd probably have to kill alot of people who disagree or disobey the rules of the utopia

Kinda like what Hitler wanted to do.

Originally posted by Fishy
Kinda like what Hitler wanted to do. Yeah, but Hitler's world wasn't peaceful... it was malevolent. He realized he was wrong and commited suicide...

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
Yeah, but Hitler's world wasn't peaceful... it was malevolent. He realized he was wrong and commited suicide...

No he realized he was losing...

Still he wanted to create a perfect world with only Aryans where everybody would prosper be healthy, good in sports and well educated. An Empire that would last at least a thousands years in relative peace. So I would say that he did indeed want to create a Utopia.

Originally posted by Fishy
No he realized he was losing...

Still he wanted to create a perfect world with only Aryans where everybody would prosper be healthy, good in sports and well educated. An Empire that would last at least a thousands years in relative peace. So I would say that he did indeed want to create a Utopia.

Perhaps, but at what cost? No Jews, gays, or blacks? Not exactly a perfect world if you ask me...

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
In my opinion no, it couldn't exist. Mainly due to the fact that for everyone to agree, opinions would have to be suppressed or ridden of, which to me wouldn't be a perfect world.
Observation: People always contradict and fight wether aware of it or not for thier own perfect world.

Statement: Striving for a utopian is why humans involve themselves in anything political, spiritual, or otherwise. Humans have the capacity to use thier minds and labor to improve thier sorroundings, so they do. It's a natural progression.

Conclusion: Instead of suppressing the human desire for a better tommorow, homosapiens should spend more time slaughtering one another for the ultimate oppurtunity to seize thier personal utopian. For every ten people that don't think like you, there will be one person that does. Evidently only they matter.

utopian ideas bring death, misery, hate, and destruction.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
Perhaps, but at what cost? No Jews, gays, or blacks? Not exactly a perfect world if you ask me...

Well your opinion of a perfect world is obviously different then that of Hitler then...