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1) Matrix Supergirl
2) Linda Danvers
3) Kara Zor-El

at the same time?

No. He fights them one at a time.

Doomsday killed Matrix with one shot right?

Doomsday didn't kill Matrix Supergirl.

Supergirl is a kryptonian.
She wins.

Bump.

he wins against Matrix and Kara. He loses bad against Linda Danvers. That was Earth Angel.

Zor-El? She's almost supes level...
She kills Apocalypse.

bump

Supergirl.

Apocalypse can win against Kara and Matrix supergirl. DOn't think He can take Linda without prep

Apoc isn't beating Kara

Originally posted by iceman24567
Apoc isn't beating Kara
How so?

Apoc

Seriously? Because she's Superman lite more so than Mon-El.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Seriously? Because she's Superman lite more so than Mon-El.

Superman without holding back can easily beat Kara. The only advantage that Kara has on Apoc is speed. Too bad for her, APoc can teleport.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Superman without holding back can easily beat Kara. The only advantage that Kara has on Apoc is speed. Too bad for her, APoc can teleport.

Speed's more than running, it's also delivering more attacks in the same period of time.

I'd also put Kryptonian heat vision over the ranged attacks he makes.

Superman always holds back and at his normal holding back state Kara is pretty much his equal. Apoc can teleport so can Lex Luthor it isn't as exotic as you want it to be

Originally posted by iceman24567
Superman always holds back and at his normal holding back state Kara is pretty much his equal. Apoc can teleport so can Lex Luthor it isn't as exotic as you want it to be

Lex almost killed Kara before the "dark" side of her came out. BTW APoc can turn hes ENTIRE body into kryptonite.

Then gets heat vision into pieces? Good luck not to mention she has a decent resistance to anti Kryptonian weaponry ask General Lane

Originally posted by iceman24567
Then gets heat vision into pieces? Good luck not to mention she has a decent resistance to anti Kryptonian weaponry ask General Lane
Again Luthor almost killed her via kryptonite. I can post the scans if u want.

Originally posted by Q99
Speed's more than running, it's also delivering more attacks in the same period of time.

I'd also put Kryptonian heat vision over the ranged attacks he makes. he can be intangible, bend out of the way of the attacks, increase his density to insane degrees of durability, same as before but with blades/thorns of similar durability, turn into a putty like substance, telerport out of the way, etc

Originally posted by galactusischere
Lex almost killed Kara before the "dark" side of her came out. BTW APoc can turn hes ENTIRE body into kryptonite.
I doubt it. And even so its not like her and her cousin don't have great track records fighting villains with kryptonite on them. Metallo anyone?

You can post not so recent scans? Read Supergirl volume 5 issue 39-41 and see how little those not so recent scan matter

Matrix: Not sure, but my gut says Apocalypse (assuming no jobbing) 6-7/10

Linda: Apoc wins. In most settings Linda just doesn't have the raw power to beat him. Apoc 8/10

Kara: If she's in her classic holding back state (she held back even more than Superman back in the day), then Apoc wins; if she goes all-out, she edges him for the win. Kara 6-7/10

Originally posted by iceman24567
You can post not so recent scans? Read Supergirl volume 5 issue 39-41 and see how little those not so recent scan matter
Doesn't matter, Apoc can turn a small part of hes body into Kryp. With hes teleportation, super strenght, and intagibily he can take the cake.

It does matter though his best choice is to play at her weaknesses even then his chances of beating her are slim.

Kryptonite bullets anyone?

Super reflexes or heat vision

Originally posted by iceman24567
It does matter though his best choice is to play at her weaknesses even then his chances of beating her are slim. What about teleporting behind Kara's back and shooting Kryptonite bullets at her?She would eventually fall to that seeing that Apoc is a supposed genious in marvel, so im guessing that he won't teleport at obvious places

Originally posted by galactusischere
What about teleporting behind Kara's back and shooting Kryptonite bullets at her?She would eventually fall to that seeing that Apoc is a supposed genious in marvel, so im guessing that he won't teleport at obvious places What about Kara punching and heat visioning him as soon as the fight starts?

Originally posted by iceman24567
What about Kara punching and heat visioning him as soon as the fight starts? What about Apoc teleporting and finishing her with kryptonite bullets as soon as the fight starts?
Apoc can also increase hes density AND size and then turn hes entire body into kryptonite. Kryptonite radiation FTW

Originally posted by galactusischere
What about Apoc teleporting and finishing her with kryptonite bullets as soon as the fight starts?
You're obsessed with him spitting bullets. You bring it up in every fight no matter if it would work or not.

How can that happen while he already has dozens of holes in him from hv?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
You're obsessed with him spitting bullets. You bring it up in every fight no matter if it would work or not. I noticed i also noticed how he loves saying Apoc teleports instant win not so much . Plus how does he know the chemical composition for Kryptonite?

Originally posted by iceman24567
I noticed i also noticed how he loves saying Apoc teleports instant win not so much . Plus how does he know the chemical composition for Kryptonite? Is Supergirl COMPLETELY immune to telepathy?
If not then Apoc can learn of her weakness and Kryptonite.

can you prove that supergirl knows the chemical composition to kryptonite?

^ still reaching. She doesn't even know the chemical composition of Kryptonite

Originally posted by -Pr-
can you prove that supergirl knows the chemical composition to kryptonite? Stole my shine

^Waste of space

Originally posted by -Pr-
can you prove that supergirl knows the chemical composition to kryptonite? Ok, u got me there. But PC and an alternative reality Super girl knew the chemical composition of different kinds of kryptonite, if that helps.

Pc characters know everything

Originally posted by iceman24567
^Waste of space

Molecular control of hes body and having the ability to turn himself into metals(he has studied celestial tech and adamantium) and weapons. Thats all u need to know. And why is everyone downplaying Apoc? If people are saying he can stomp WWH then he can beat SG

Not really they aren't the same characters. Apoc downplays himself.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Not really they aren't the same characters.
YOu mean that WWH and Supergirl aren't the same characters? what does thathave to do with anything. WWH can beat Supergirl, even if she goes all out.

Originally posted by iceman24567
^Waste of space it seems he always does this in Apoc threads.

Originally posted by galactusischere
YOu mean that WWH and Supergirl aren't the same characters? what does thathave to do with anything. WWH can beat Supergirl, even if she goes all out. It has everything to do everything you can't use abc to justify your bias. They have different powersets and they fight differently they are not the same character mr no comprehension. WWH can beat Supergirl so what she can beat him too.

Originally posted by iceman24567
It has everything to do everything you can't use abc to justify your bias. They have different powersets and they fight differently they are not the same character mr no comprehension. WWH can beat Supergirl so what she can beat him too. Point taken. Though u still haven't given me any reason to why Kara would win. She can't get around hes instant teleporting. She wouldn't be able to pierce hes body when he changes into a very hard steel or even adamantium itself. Then there is energy blasts, telekenisis, healing factor and technopathy.

I didn't give you any reason . Ok I'm dones

Originally posted by galactusischere
Ok, u got me there. But PC and an alternative reality Super girl knew the chemical composition of different kinds of kryptonite, if that helps.

it doesnt help apocalypse in this fight, though.

Supergirl.

She's too fast and too strong.
She levels him with heat vision off the bat and kicks his head in.

Originally posted by Konton
She's too fast and too strong.
She levels him with heat vision off the bat and kicks his head in.

Apoc can teleport, , turn hes body into adamantium, increase hes mass and density AND he has telekenisis, a few punches is all hes going to need. And incase u say that Speed>Instant Teleportation, then theres the ability to become intangible.

Apoc has grown to gigantic sizes before. At hes regular size hes still class 100 plus. Kara has only speed going for her, which Apoc can counter with the methods that I mentioned.

Yeah, he isn't going to be reacting to Kara level speed.
Dude gets leveled.

does she have TP resistance feats at Apocalypse's level?

Originally posted by Konton
Yeah, he isn't going to be reacting to Kara level speed.
Dude gets leveled.

Apoc has xavier level telepathy also as the guy above me mentioned.
Apoc has sooo many powers.

Supergirl

WOW.

People actually think Supergirl can defeat Apocalypse.

Not as bad as people thinking that Supergirl can defeat Thanos though. at comicvine.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
WOW.

People actually think Apocalypse can defeat Supergirl.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Apoc has xavier level telepathy No, he doesn't.

I know I like to rant about Poccy but he will defeat Supergirl. He beats brawlers no matter how strong or fast they are.

And I believe Poccy has Telepathic defences not manipulation.

And this is a CIS PIS less Poccy....normal Poccy is an idiot and SuperGirl will beat him.

Give me at least a minute to write my stuff.

Originally posted by the ninjak
I know I like to rant about Poccy but he will defeat Supergirl. He beats brawlers no matter how strong or fast they are.
We both know that isn't true. Besides Supergirl isn't a brawler.

Originally posted by Omega Vision


Says the hater.

Apocalypse would kill Supergirl and Powergirl at the same time.

He does what he did to Ikaris to them.

Originally posted by TheTyrant


Apocalypse would kill Supergirl and Powergirl at the same time.

He does what he did to Ikaris to them.
Not kill them and then Self-Bfr? I agree.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Not kill them and then Self-Bfr? I agree.

Ikaris was at the brink of death and had to escape. Apocalypse could have teleported beside him and punched him to death but didn`t.

Even though Apoc jobs alot his track record is better than Kara's.

Supergirls win

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Even though Apoc jobs alot his track record is better than Kara's.
Except when it isn't. Like all the time.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Except when it isn't. Like all the time.

But it is.
Supergirl could barely defeat that red guy who was secretly aiding Brainiac 5 send SG back to her own time-line.

Now, when has Supergirl(or Superman or Wonder Woman) went toe-to-toe with the likes of High Evolutionary or Loki?

If Apoc had his way, then Onslaught would have been defeated in like 5 issues. It was because of Cable that Onslaught survived that long.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
But it is.
Supergirl could barely defeat that red guy who was secretly aiding Brainiac 5 send SG back to her own time-line.

Now, when has Supergirl(or Superman or Wonder Woman) went toe-to-toe with the likes of High Evolutionary or Loki?

If Apoc had his way, then Onslaught would have been defeated in like 5 issues. It was because of Cable that Onslaught survived that long.

You mean if Apoc fanboys had it their way then he would beat Onslaught in like 5 panels.

Supergirl should win but Apoc can get a few wins.

Originally posted by The Nuul
You mean if Apoc fanboys had it their way then he would beat Onslaught in like 5 panels.
Apoc was about to kill Frankie, but Cable and Sue Storm stopped him.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
But it is.
Supergirl could barely defeat that red guy who was secretly aiding Brainiac 5 send SG back to her own time-line.

Now, when has Supergirl(or Superman or Wonder Woman) went toe-to-toe with the likes of High Evolutionary or Loki?

If Apoc had his way, then Onslaught would have been defeated in like 5 issues. It was because of Cable that Onslaught survived that long.

Uh, Circe says hi.

That's what I was thinking. But Circe really isn't bloodlusted against WW.

Apocalypse FTW.

Poccy traps SG in a force bubble and extends a techno organic "probe" to drain her bio-energies. Schlooorp.

Originally posted by galactusischere
But Circe really isn't bloodlusted against WW.

shocking

Originally posted by galactusischere
That's what I was thinking. But Circe really isn't bloodlusted against WW.

Apocalypse FTW.
Short of being infected by the Rage Virus you really can't be much more bloodlusted than Circe is for Diana.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Short of being infected by the Rage Virus you really can't be much more bloodlusted than Circe is for Diana.
Originally posted by Konton
shocking

I thought after mortal Circe and Diana became friends, their rivalry kinda ended?

Originally posted by galactusischere
I thought after mortal Circe and Diana became friends, their rivalry kinda ended?
I don't think the term rivalry would apply. It was more like "I'm going to ****ing murder you when you turn your back!"

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't think the term rivalry would apply. It was more like "I'm going to ****ing murder you when you turn your back!"

BAH!

H/E is more powerful than Circe. And when has SG fought Circe?

I've never pulled the "read some goddamn Wonder Woman" card before, but, uh, yeah.

Originally posted by Konton
I've never pulled the "read some goddamn Wonder Woman" card before, but, uh, yeah.

I've read like 90% of WW volume 3.

Originally posted by galactusischere
BAH!

H/E is more powerful than Circe. And when has SG fought Circe?
Supergirl would have a better chance against HE than against Circe.

Not really.

H/E fought Galactus for a few pages. And then turned him into a brain..

Apoc went toe-to-toe with THAT.

Apoc is sub sky-father. He wins.

If it was non CIS PIS Poccy I would give it to him easy.
In an earlier thread of the same name I descibed how he would kill her easily.

But normal everyday Poccy is ridden with low showings and therefore I'm giving Supergirl just as much of a chance of winning this simply due to the fact that we would do a better job with Poccy's abilities than he would cannonwise.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
No, he doesn't.

Sorry to bump this, but what about the time when he telepathically contacted Archangel?

its the same as wolverine telepathically contacting emma.. or any non x-men TP communicating with each other due to ramports they build from training and yrs of being together

Kara wins.

Apoc decides to breed her,..

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
Apoc decides to breed her,.. Can he really do that?You mean like take her DNA and clone her right?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Can he really do that?You mean like take her DNA and clone her right? he bred an entire village of descendants using his DNA.. yeh, he can breed her just fine.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
he bred an entire village of descendants using his DNA.. yeh, he can breed her just fine. But that means like clones right?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Kara wins.

Based on? Apocalypse is faster, stronger, smarter, and more versatile.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Based on? Apocalypse is faster, stronger, smarter, and more versatile. are you sh$#ing me?

faster? i will give you strength if he amps up but only to make him equal to her.. smarter its a given,... but come on son...

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Based on? Apocalypse is faster, stronger, smarter, and more versatile.

weep

She's not stupid. And everything else is silly.

Supergirl has hypersonic combat speed at best. Apoc has supersonic reaction(atleast) in fights and instant teleportation. How is he not faster?

He is not faster saying otherwise is retarded

apocalypse with his intelligence and tricks should be able to defeat Kara.

its what gives him the edge against foes that should win but dont against him.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Supergirl has hypersonic combat speed at best. Apoc has supersonic reaction(atleast) in fights and instant teleportation. How is he not faster?
He doesn't have Nightcrawler level teleportation. He's used his teleportation maybe once or twice in combat.

lmao at Apoc being faster than Supergirl.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
lmao at Apoc being faster than Supergirl.
Or even close at all. Supersonic? Lol. Because he tagged QS? I guess that means Deathstroke is FTL then by Tyrant's standards because DS tagged Flash (twice).

i still stand with Apoxy lips breeding her..

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Or even close at all. Supersonic? Lol. Because he tagged QS? I guess that means Deathstroke is FTL then by Tyrant's standards because DS tagged Flash (twice).

DS has the second biggest jober aura after Squirrel Girl.


Apoc has used his teleportation more than 2 times
I doubt that SG has ever fought at hypersonic speeds.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
DS has the second biggest jober aura after Squirrel Girl.


Apoc has used his teleportation more than 2 times
I doubt that SG has ever fought at hypersonic speeds.
His heightened senses, enhanced speed, and ultra-fast mental processes mean that him tagging people with a massive speed advantage isn't out of the question, especially when he mentally preps for it.

Apoc on the other hand has one notable speed feet: tagging Quicksilver. So not only does he not come close to Supergirl in the speed department but he probably isn't even as fast as Deathstroke who is much, much slower than Kara.

In combat though?

Supergirl has hypersonic combat speeds, that's not up for debate.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
His heightened senses, enhanced speed, and ultra-fast mental processes mean that him tagging people with a massive speed advantage isn't out of the question, especially when he mentally preps for it.

Apoc on the other hand has one notable speed feet: tagging Quicksilver. So not only does he not come close to Supergirl in the speed department but he probably isn't even as fast as Deathstroke who is much, much slower than Kara.

In combat though?

Supergirl has hypersonic combat speeds, that's not up for debate.

Ok, show me a scan of Kara actually blitzing at a speed superior to that of QS's.

when you mean QS you mean Quick Silver? if so then i thought he can only go as fast as the speed of sound.

Originally posted by x_danny_x
when you mean QS you mean Quick Silver? if so then i thought he can only go as fast as the speed of sound.

not recently... he got upgraded to near lightspeed

Didn`t Magneto once grab a speedblitzing Northstar out of the air and remarked that his son was a far superior speedster? Northstar can go close to lightspeed iirc.

And it was stated in the same issue that he wasn't moving as fast as he could(northstar)