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i know, these kinds of discussions are old bits, but still -- the finals suck and are barely worth talking about, AND the spurs are on the verge of becoming a "dynasty".

anyhow, 3-headed monsters have ALWAYS given jordan's teams fits:

bird, mchale, dj/chief
magic, jabbar, scott/worthy
lambear/edwards, zeke, dumars

all of them have beaten jordan's bulls and all just became too old to sustain the beatings.

duncan, ginobli, parker may NOT be the worst of the 3-headed monsters i noted, so i think the spurs would have a definite chance against those bulls teams who never really had a challenge to their crown.

thoughts?

Which Bulls team would the Spurs be playing against,the first or the second 3-peat?

Not like it really matters as Jordan would drop 40 a game on them,and the Bull's would win the series in 6.
Unlike Lebron,Jordan will get his calls and live on the free throw line.Pippen will dominate since they'll be no one to guard him assuming Bowen will play Jordan.

I think the Shaq and Kobe Lakers would be a better match up,even though I think the Bulls beat them too.

Yeah, when Jordan had problems was before he had a full team around him. He was a beast on D too in his prime and the Spurs wouldn't put up enough points to hang with them.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Yeah, when Jordan had problems was before he had a full team around him. He was a beast on D too in his prime and the Spurs wouldn't put up enough points to hang with them.
Plus the fact that the Bulls where the #1 Defensive team of that time.Tony Parker's not gonna be driving it in at will with Rodman in there.

see, what happens here is that as time goes by, we tend to overrate teams, imo. the spurs were at least as good as the bad boy pistons, and they flat out beat up the bulls for 3 years. they were WELL into their decline though, and so coudln't sustain their dominance.

the bulls beat no one in the spurs league in any of their championships. the knicks were arguably their best competition. and the spurs are much better than they were AND the knicks were able to give the bulls a solid run for their money.

with the hardcore defense they can play, i still think the spurs could definitely win a series between them.

Originally posted by Skeets
Which Bulls team would the Spurs be playing against,the first or the second 3-peat?

Not like it really matters as Jordan would drop 40 a game on them,and the Bull's would win the series in 6.
Unlike Lebron,Jordan will get his calls and live on the free throw line.Pippen will dominate since they'll be no one to guard him assuming Bowen will play Jordan.

I think the Shaq and Kobe Lakers would be a better match up,even though I think the Bulls beat them too.

01 Lakers would've beat Jordan's Bulls. As much as I hate them, that team was much more dominant than any of Jordan's teams in the playoffs and they went through a much tougher conference in which they went an amazing 15 and 1. You can say all you want about Jordan but Shaq was in his prime during the 01 season and would've averaged 40ppg against the Bulls and Kobe, while at the time being okay as the side kick, could put up 8/10 of what Jordan could do scoring wise. Not to mention that the Lakers were an excellent defensive team.

Originally posted by leonidas
see, what happens here is that as time goes by, we tend to overrate teams, imo. the spurs were at least as good as the bad boy pistons, and they flat out beat up the bulls for 3 years. they were WELL into their decline though, and so coudln't sustain their dominance.

the bulls beat no one in the spurs league in any of their championships. the knicks were arguably their best competition. and the spurs are much better than they were AND the knicks were able to give the bulls a solid run for their money.

with the hardcore defense they can play, i still think the spurs could definitely win a series between them.
Sure the Piston's were getting old.Jordan and company weren't in their prime,well Jordan and Pippen certainly weren't.
Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove
01 Lakers would've beat Jordan's Bulls. As much as I hate them, that team was much more dominant than any of Jordan's teams in the playoffs and they went through a much tougher conference in which they went an amazing 15 and 1. You can say all you want about Jordan but Shaq was in his prime during the 01 season and would've averaged 40ppg against the Bulls and Kobe, while at the time being okay as the side kick, could put up 8/10 of what Jordan could do scoring wise. Not to mention that the Lakers were an excellent defensive team.
As good as the Bulls Defensively? highly doubtful.
Kobe 8/10 of Jordan's scoring? never that especially if it was Jordan Defending him.All the close games would go the Bulls,Kobe wasn't the clutch player that he is now.
The series would be close though 7 games probably.

Originally posted by Skeets
Sure the Piston's were getting old.Jordan and company weren't in their prime,well Jordan and Pippen certainly weren't.

no argument there.

my initial point (and i think it still stands) was that teams that presented multiple highly versatile scoring options did well against the bulls. the spurs fit that bill. at various times in the regular season and playoffs, ginobli, parker or duncan can/have carried their team offensively. shutting down 2/3 isn't always enough, and the bulls would have had hell trying to handle duncan who was FAR better in the paint (offensively AND defensively) than anyone the bulls had. rodman was overrated, imo, and too small to handle duncan. they'd need to double team him like everyone else, and the spurs have the other players to make them pay. again, imo, if the knicks could give the best of the bulls team a scare, the spurs could beat them, imo.

the spurs are also NOT afraid of getting rough if they need to -- ask nash. the bulls never really liked teams that muscled them around (knicks, pistons) the knicks just weren't talented enough to do anything EXCEPT roughhouse.



i agree. the 80s teams would CERTAINLY have been able to take the bulls out as well when they were in their prime.

All the Bulls needed was a decent Big guy to compete with the all time great teams.

80's Lakers and Celtics would murder the Bulls.

Originally posted by leonidas
i know, these kinds of discussions are old bits, but still -- the finals suck and are barely worth talking about, AND the spurs are on the verge of becoming a "dynasty".

anyhow, 3-headed monsters have ALWAYS given jordan's teams fits:

bird, mchale, dj/chief
magic, jabbar, scott/worthy
lambear/edwards, zeke, dumars

all of them have beaten jordan's bulls and all just became too old to sustain the beatings.

duncan, ginobli, parker may NOT be the worst of the 3-headed monsters i noted, so i think the spurs would have a definite chance against those bulls teams who never really had a challenge to their crown.

thoughts?

Good question. The Spurs may have beaten some of the Bulls' championship teams. However, they would not have sniffed the 1996 Bulls (referred to by most as the single season greatest NBA team ever) championship team's jock.

Interesting thread.

Originally posted by BobbyD
Good question. The Spurs may have beaten some of the Bulls' championship teams. However, they would not have sniffed the 1996 Bulls (referred to by most as the single season greatest NBA team ever) championship team's jock.

Interesting thread.

i agree with the former. i'm not completely sold on the latter. that team wasn't significantly better or different from many of the others -- they DID seem to be clicking on all cylinders all the time though, so you may be right. it's possible in THAT given year no one would have stopped them. destiny anyone?

Originally posted by leonidas
i agree with the former. i'm not completely sold on the latter. that team wasn't significantly better or different from many of the others -- they DID seem to be clicking on all cylinders all the time though, so you may be right. it's possible in THAT given year no one would have stopped them. destiny anyone?

That 1996 team had just so much going for them. And yes, whether on all cylinders or not, they fit a championship team picture like a nicely glued puzzle. There have been other great teams-no doubt. But, I'll run down a synapsis of what it'd look like with this year's Spurs against the 1996 Bulls.

I think we all know what MJ can do defensively and offensively. There is no one to this day that I've seen slow him down other than Joe Dumars, BECAUSE Joey made MJ guard him on the offensive end also. That was the secret. He refused to accept being gaurded. ..had a ticker like MJ, just not the tools. Few are born with that heart. Also, I don't care who else is brought up, Bowen, Manu or whomever-would not be able to stop Michael. First, you have to overcome that it's already the greatest player ever with the ball in front of you. Once you get past the mystique, you'd have to deal with the embarassment of picking up your jockstrap everytime you saw a picture flash, because you just became his next victim in some 10 year old's bedroom poster. Believe me, Bowen would crap his pants having to guard Mikey from the top suddenly seeing every other Bull spread out 15+ feet. Tim, you back there? Given the benefit of the doubt, let's say that MJ is maybe reduced to 28 points a game instead of 40. The problem is he is also defending your best scoring guard. This does not wash out favorably for an oppenent. I'd like to see Parker going against MJ one on one. All those easy baskets and layups would either have to suddenly become assists or turnovers, they do not become points. If he gets off MJ from a pick, he's got Pip lurking and Rodman just walling up in front of him. End result: It becomes a difficult assist or shot.

Now we have Pippen-again, a nightmare for any small forward to account for at either end. End result-you lose. He'd probably be put on Manu. Manu is giving inches and arm span. Not a fun matchup for him. Even if you slow him down on the offensive end, he has taken away more from you on the defensive end.

Rodman-afraid of no one, and pound for pound, inch for inch the greatest rebounder to play the game. He wouldn't chip in a point, but your power forward will have to work ALLLLLL day to keep him off both ends of the glass. He was nasty, tenacious, and a psychological nightmare. IF TD couldn't keep a ref out of his head, how is going to keep Rodman out of it? Give Duncan the edge, but TD would be exhausted every night. The bottom line is his O doesn't compensate for the lost O of Manu and TP.

Paxson-boring, but incredibly efficient and productive. It becomes very easy to do what you need to do with the other 3 above. A lethal 3 point gunner when he needed to be; and if you were "out there" on him, you just created MORE spacing for MJ and Pip to operate; and Rodman to snare to a board. Choose your poison. Lesser PG's could have stepped in nicely and the team would not have skipped a beat. But Pax was a nice piece....didn't need to be a star and knew it. That was the key. He just had to contribute when asked.

Center-serviceable, but nothing special. Did it matter, anyway? If YOU HAD A GOOD ONE, the Bulls had 18 fouls to give to bludgeon the crap out of your guy. Ask Lambeer, Shaq, and Ewing what it was like. They'll tell ya'.

6th man? Kukoc-he'd give up 20, but could easily score 21 if he needed to.

Bench? The Bulls always had such an underrated bench-specialists everywhere you look-energy man, 3 point shooter, instant O man, another decent defender, another 12 fouls, blah, blah, blah, you get the picture.

1996 Bulls in 6 over this year's Spurs, IMO.

They make a big deal about Jordan being successful without a good big man, but really he didn't go up against a lot of them. The best big guys he has beaten were Ewing, Zo, and Shaq. Although Shaq's team did beat Jordan's once and the Spurs are a lot better than that Magic team. Yes, Jordan's Bulls bounced back the next year, but if they went against a strong defensive 'team' with a great big man, they may struggle.

Originally posted by Myth
They make a big deal about Jordan being successful without a good big man, but really he didn't go up against a lot of them. The best big guys he has beaten were Ewing, Zo, and Shaq. Although Shaq's team did beat Jordan's once and the Spurs are a lot better than that Magic team. Yes, Jordan's Bulls bounced back the next year, but if they went against a strong defensive 'team' with a great big man, they may struggle.

Indeed. 2 wins against the greatest single season team ever is a big accomplishment, especially in 7 game series. The Spurs have the talent.... is definitely there to stretch the Bulls to a hard 7 games.

Originally posted by BobbyD
That 1996 team had just so much going for them. And yes, whether on all cylinders or not, they fit a championship team picture like a nicely glued puzzle. There have been other great teams-no doubt. But, I'll run down a synapsis of what it'd look like with this year's Spurs against the 1996 Bulls.

I think we all know what MJ can do defensively and offensively. There is no one to this day that I've seen slow him down other than Joe Dumars, BECAUSE Joey made MJ guard him on the offensive end also. That was the secret. He refused to accept being gaurded. ..had a ticker like MJ, just not the tools. Few are born with that heart. Also, I don't care who else is brought up, Bowen, Manu or whomever-would not be able to stop Michael. First, you have to overcome that it's already the greatest player ever with the ball in front of you. Once you get past the mystique, you'd have to deal with the embarassment of picking up your jockstrap everytime you saw a picture flash, because you just became his next victim in some 10 year old's bedroom poster. Believe me, Bowen would crap his pants having to guard Mikey from the top suddenly seeing every other Bull spread out 15+ feet. Tim, you back there? Given the benefit of the doubt, let's say that MJ is maybe reduced to 28 points a game instead of 40. The problem is he is also defending your best scoring guard. This does not wash out favorably for an oppenent. I'd like to see Parker going against MJ one on one. All those easy baskets and layups would either have to suddenly become assists or turnovers, they do not become points. If he gets off MJ from a pick, he's got Pip lurking and Rodman just walling up in front of him. End result: It becomes a difficult assist or shot.

Now we have Pippen-again, a nightmare for any small forward to account for at either end. End result-you lose. He'd probably be put on Manu. Manu is giving inches and arm span. Not a fun matchup for him. Even if you slow him down on the offensive end, he has taken away more from you on the defensive end.

Rodman-afraid of no one, and pound for pound, inch for inch the greatest rebounder to play the game. He wouldn't chip in a point, but your power forward will have to work ALLLLLL day to keep him off both ends of the glass. He was nasty, tenacious, and a psychological nightmare. IF TD couldn't keep a ref out of his head, how is going to keep Rodman out of it? Give Duncan the edge, but TD would be exhausted every night. The bottom line is his O doesn't compensate for the lost O of Manu and TP.

Paxson-boring, but incredibly efficient and productive. It becomes very easy to do what you need to do with the other 3 above. A lethal 3 point gunner when he needed to be; and if you were "out there" on him, you just created MORE spacing for MJ and Pip to operate; and Rodman to snare to a board. Choose your poison. Lesser PG's could have stepped in nicely and the team would not have skipped a beat. But Pax was a nice piece....didn't need to be a star and knew it. That was the key. He just had to contribute when asked.

Center-serviceable, but nothing special. Did it matter, anyway? If YOU HAD A GOOD ONE, the Bulls had 18 fouls to give to bludgeon the crap out of your guy. Ask Lambeer, Shaq, and Ewing what it was like. They'll tell ya'.

6th man? Kukoc-he'd give up 20, but could easily score 21 if he needed to.

Bench? The Bulls always had such an underrated bench-specialists everywhere you look-energy man, 3 point shooter, instant O man, another decent defender, another 12 fouls, blah, blah, blah, you get the picture.

1996 Bulls in 6 over this year's Spurs, IMO.



can't say it's not a well-thought-out post.

you may well be right. the advantage the bulls had -- always -- was jordan's ability to do whatever was needed to win. it's hard to measure that and to account for it.

still, your scenario is plausible, but . . .

it could also be something like duncan getting into rodman's crazy head, rodman getting ticked and getting technicals and getting the boot or just getting thrown off his game and being a non-factor. i agree with the hacka-duncan though, but he'd still get his 25-30 assuming he could hit his free throws -- a question no doubt.

one thing we can both agree on i think -- it'd be a very good series. and i'm . . . pretty sure it would have better ratings than THIS series does.

Originally posted by leonidas
. . . pretty sure it would have better ratings than THIS series does.

..which frustrates me as to why LeBron just doesn't go off and try to score 70 regardless of the outcome.

i'm not sure he CAN go off the way everyone wants him to. they've had him bottled up pretty badly.

There was a telling stat today on Sportscenter. Something like 4 of the lowest 8 scores ever in a winning effort in the Finals were from this Spurs dynasty in the last few years. And one of the other 4 was a team playing against one of those Spurs teams. Meaning, the Spurs have consistently been a part of the lowest scoring Finals games ever.

I can see them being competitive, even winning some games and making it a series. Hell, maybe they're better defensively because they have a true big man. But 8/10 times, the Bulls are just going to put up more points than the Spurs can muster.

hmm, an interesting stat. but i'd be more interested in knowing how many of those games they WON. i could honestly jordan getting his 30-35, but they would put the clamps on everyone else like they've done to cleveland. none of the support are getting lose like they did against detroit, another strong defensive team.

bobby put a good argument forward, but i'd say it was a lot closer than you're saying digi.

Originally posted by leonidas
see, what happens here is that as time goes by, we tend to overrate teams, imo. the spurs were at least as good as the bad boy pistons, and they flat out beat up the bulls for 3 years. they were WELL into their decline though, and so coudln't sustain their dominance.

the bulls beat no one in the spurs league in any of their championships. the knicks were arguably their best competition. and the spurs are much better than they were AND the knicks were able to give the bulls a solid run for their money.

with the hardcore defense they can play, i still think the spurs could definitely win a series between them.

You guys should listen to this man. I'm a faithfull Knick fan and this current Spurs team is better then the 90s Knicks.

Bruce Wouldn't be able to guard Jordan anymore than he could gurad Kobe but, lets face it compared to everyone else in the league Bruce guards Kobe really damn well. he would be all over Jordan grabbing kicking tripping whatever it takes Mike will have flashbacks of Detroit he would score 40 but he wouldn't like it.

Duncan would completely and utterly dominate Rodman. Rodman played guys who were just big and tall and would try to muscle you Duncan can do all that but most importantly how is Rodman going to stop Timmy's turn around bank shots and hooks shots. Ducnan isn't going to jsut try to bang on him. Rodman is way too small to guard someone with Duncan's arsenal of moves.

Pippin is where the nightmare begins for SA though. They have no answer for Pippen with Bowen guarding mike, unless they try to put Ginoboli on Mike either way those two are going to rip them to shreds.

ITs a tough call really. There is no way they are stopping duncan though if Chicago rotates Scottie down to guard Ginoboli that still leaves you oppurtunistic Mike Finley to roam the court and Horry will be there if the game is close.

Though the thing that makes this Sanantonio team so deadly is that they never, never, NEVER beat themselves. They don't get emotional and they make no mistakes, they punish you for every mistake on either end of the court.

Then again this is Jordan.

Pretty close call actually. I still take the Bulls and here's why. They had three first defensive team players in Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman. As good as Duncan is, Rodman has seen it all. From Ewing to a prime Malone. So let's not make it out as if Duncan will have a field day on Rodman. Bowen can guard Jordan, but who'll guard Pippen? On the defensive end Pippen and Jordan are elite perimeter defenders. Ginobli and Parker arent goin to the rim as easily as you think. Their role players are highly efficient as well. Players like Kerr, Harper, and Kukoc were all very effective within the triangle offense. Think of it this way. The Spurs had a hard time with the triangle offense that was Kobe and Shaq. How are they goin to beat the best Phil-coached team ever? The 96 year when they had the best record of all time.

It no doubt is an interesting discussion. Even if you draw it up as a wash, when all else fails, the Bulls have the greatest ever, and that is a problem....him pulling off the impossible, the inexplicable. The Spurs have not seen anyone like him inflict damage like he is capable of in their championship runs. Kobe & Shaq only perhaps?


I wonder how that would effect them? Eventually, I see the Spurs succombing to this thought like every other Bulls' opponent: "We just have no answer for him. They can get their sure bucket whenever they need one, and there ain't nothing we can do about it".

I think Duncan would compeletly own Rodman. Rodman doesn't do well against finesse players like Karl Malone and Duncan is big and taller than Malone. Rodman is like Ben Wallace short but so heavily muscled that lanky guys no matter how tall can simply muscle him. Both of these guys have trouble with semi-agile finesse big men. Guys that use their length to make bank shots and hooks. What you are more likely to see is Rodman not trying too hard to defend him but making sure that any misses are instantly rebounded because Duncan is too good down there. Also I don't really thik Rodman could get into Duncan's head as easily as it would seem. Tim Duncan is simply unintersted in anything Rodman tries he is simply too boring to care. Tim Duncan is probably the Greats PF to play in his time (the rings are what puts him past Malone) and the most consistent.

We also know that SA is not afraid to get physical, these Spurs are every bit as tough defensively as that Knicks team and would scrap out there on defense. Also Popovich is a smart coach he might decide that maybe Bowen is wasted on Jordan and move him to Pippen. Michal would get his points either way but I think Bowen would be much more effective on Pippen and could take him out of the game for Chicago.

Chicago didn't like teams with great D though once again Jordan would still probably come through.

Originally posted by Warmonger
I think Duncan would compeletly own Rodman. Rodman doesn't do well against finesse players like Karl Malone and Duncan is big and taller than Malone. Rodman is like Ben Wallace short but so heavily muscled that lanky guys no matter how tall can simply muscle him. Both of these guys have trouble with semi-agile finesse big men. Guys that use their length to make bank shots and hooks. What you are more likely to see is Rodman not trying too hard to defend him but making sure that any misses are instantly rebounded because Duncan is too good down there. Also I don't really thik Rodman could get into Duncan's head as easily as it would seem. Tim Duncan is simply unintersted in anything Rodman tries he is simply too boring to care. Tim Duncan is probably the Greats PF to play in his time (the rings are what puts him past Malone) and the most consistent.

We also know that SA is not afraid to get physical, these Spurs are every bit as tough defensively as that Knicks team and would scrap out there on defense. Also Popovich is a smart coach he might decide that maybe Bowen is wasted on Jordan and move him to Pippen. Michal would get his points either way but I think Bowen would be much more effective on Pippen and could take him out of the game for Chicago.

Chicago didn't like teams with great D though once again Jordan would still probably come through.

i like your assessments. the bulls wouldn't have won all those championships, imo, were they consistently paired against the spurs. how many WOULD they have won . . .? i'm not sure, but i think the split would have been pretty close.

I'm thinking Popovich would be rotating defenders on Jordan, and make sure they play tough and knock him around. I agree Bowen would be better put on Pippen to get him out of the equation, and Rodman would not be able to get into Duncan's head. Horry wouldn't be a bad play on Jordan, could do some good defensive work and he plays tough.

horry has the size to cause him hassles, but . . . he's pretty slow now-a-days. IF the spurs could not down some shots from outside the arc, they'd be able to beat chicago.

bowen v pippen would be a great match-up. i've got a feeling pippen would get a "headache" in a hurry, and we all know what happens when THAT happens! the little baby.

Interesting game

ron harper was a great defender for the bulls, not stats wise but he does little things, even MJ was quoted as saying the person who guarded him best he no longer has to play against when chicago got ron. this would make tony parkers life hell. bowen can guard mike, but mike would still rule. pippen would be his normal versatile best, and rodman wouldnt be so effective. he didnt do that well in those jazz finals, or teh seattle final for that matter against an in-form kemp, but he did enough and his ability to get into peoples heads cannot be over looked.

bulls would win 4-2 or 4-3

wow spurs look amazing! they beat Lebron James

The spurs are talented but boring to watch. The bulls had some real magic.

Jordan dominates today's Bulls. Who's gonna gaurd him? Bowen? What about Pippen? Rodman would give Duncan fits. FITS!

A better match would be Kobe/Shaq Lakers vs Jordan/Pippen Bulls

Agreed

Showtime Lakers annihilate Jordan's Bulls

Originally posted by leonidas
see, what happens here is that as time goes by, we tend to overrate teams, imo. the spurs were at least as good as the bad boy pistons, and they flat out beat up the bulls for 3 years. they were WELL into their decline though, and so coudln't sustain their dominance.

the bulls beat no one in the spurs league in any of their championships. the knicks were arguably their best competition. and the spurs are much better than they were AND the knicks were able to give the bulls a solid run for their money.

with the hardcore defense they can play, i still think the spurs could definitely win a series between them. Well heres the difference between the two teams. For one Jordan is the greatest player on the planet and reson 2. When they started winning championships they didnt stop until he retired both times. The bulls didnt win one here and win a few years later as the spurs have. They havent won back to back right. They used to get smoked by the Lakers and wouldnt be able to beat the bulls,either team. The Spurs barely beat the pistons a few years ago and won out in game 7.

The knicks were a very good team and would have won a championship if it wasnt for Mr Jordan. They went when he was retired but lost to a very good rockets team that coul dalso beat your spurs.

Originally posted by guy222
Agreed

Showtime Lakers annihilate Jordan's Bulls Those Lakers would have lost. Jordan beat everyone he faced while your Lakers got assraped by the Pistons in the finals.

Originally posted by Warmonger
Rodman doesn't do well against finesse players like Karl Malone. When the two teams played each other Malone didn't want any parts of Rodman.

Jordan's Bulls were good, but they played during a time when there really wasn't another elite team in the East except for the Knicks. The Spurs could definitely beat the Lakers and so could the Lakers. To say that the Bulls are unbeatable is just ridiculous.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Those Lakers would have lost. Jordan beat everyone he faced while your Lakers got assraped by the Pistons in the finals.

How so, good buddy

The Lakers had already beaten the Pistons to win a title. The only reason, the Lakers lost the next year was because Magic and Byron had injuries

Ur not gonna tell me, Cartwright and Longley can guard Kareem and Rodman handles Bob Mcadoo. Those showtime Lakers run the pants off Jordan's Bulls

Originally posted by guy222
Those showtime Lakers run the pants off Jordan's Bulls I believe he is reffering to the 2003-2004 Lakers.

Anyway that team the Lakers were plagued with injuries and everyone was messed up. Kobe played horrible in that series taking stupid shots, not trusting in his teamates, and jacking up three-pointers everywhere while contested. Shaq and Malone weren't at 100% and Gary Payton didn't know the offense very well. The team was pretty ****ed up that year.

Is this last season's champioship Spurs or the Duncan/Robinson duo?

Originally posted by guy222
How so, good buddy

The Lakers had already beaten the Pistons to win a title. The only reason, the Lakers lost the next year was because Magic and Byron had injuries

Ur not gonna tell me, Cartwright and Longley can guard Kareem and Rodman handles Bob Mcadoo. Those showtime Lakers run the pants off Jordan's Bulls

I sooo gotta disagree with you on this one.

Ok buddy

How do Jordan's Bulls beat Showtime Lakers

Originally posted by guy222
Ok buddy

How do Jordan's Bulls beat Showtime Lakers

Forget how. I don't want to go into details. But, that Magic (and many other basketball historians and players) has already conceded the 72 win 95-96 Bulls team as the single season greatest team ever is enough for me.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I believe he is reffering to the 2003-2004 Lakers.

Anyway that team the Lakers were plagued with injuries and everyone was messed up. Kobe played horrible in that series taking stupid shots, not trusting in his teamates, and jacking up three-pointers everywhere while contested. Shaq and Malone weren't at 100% and Gary Payton didn't know the offense very well. The team was pretty ****ed up that year. Correct I was referring to Kobe and Shaq's Lakers.

Originally posted by guy222
How so, good buddy

The Lakers had already beaten the Pistons to win a title. The only reason, the Lakers lost the next year was because Magic and Byron had injuries

Ur not gonna tell me, Cartwright and Longley can guard Kareem and Rodman handles Bob Mcadoo. Those showtime Lakers run the pants off Jordan's Bulls Uhm no the wouldnt. Jordan,Pippen, and Harper d em up. Rodman collects boards and pisses off your team. Jordan wins it in the fourth.

Really

No one from that team is gonna guard Kareem. Are u forgetting the Lakers had Coop

My friend, we'll just agree to disagree

Originally posted by guy222
Really

No one from that team is gonna guard Kareem. Are u forgetting the Lakers had Coop

My friend, we'll just agree to disagree

Coop? Coop?! I see Julius dunking on his head all the time in his greatest highlights reels. He suffers no different a fate with Jordan and Pippen. There's also a prominent poster of Michael dunking with Coop in the background smiling and admiring his Airness, because he couldn't contain him.

Also, I digress.....a lot of people keep forgetting: The Bulls' centers have NEVER gaurded ANYONE. They just blugeoned your center to death, IF he was a superstar rendering him slowly more and more ineffective as a series went on. Kareem has less muscle on him too than Patrick or Shaq EVER have. He would never stand up. Crap, if Larry could get into Kareem's head about an accidental facial slap that is a prominent highlight of the Celtics/Lakers matchups, Kareem is going to cry when Rodman makes fun of his goggles.

Kareem is not the one the Bulls would be scared of either. It would merely be keeping Worthy's points to a minimum, which the Bulls are most certainly capable of. Magic will have to get his 12 assists elsewhere to other Lakers, but at what efficiency? There's only so many possessions a team has in a game. These points wouldn't come the easy streaking Worthy layups and dunks like you see all the time when they show "Showtime" highlights. Rambis, Coop, McAdoo and others would seriously have to step up, and none are what I would call offensive juggeranuts.

Finally, the Bulls championship teams are among the greatest of halfcourt and transition defenses ever. Let's also not forget that Showtime could barely keep up with a slow white Celtics team. And I'm white! Bulls RUN and/or physically and mentally TOY them off the floor in 5 or 6 games.

Showtime Lakers>Bulls. There team is deeper.

Agreed

1. Magic Johnson
2. Byron Scott
3. James Worthy
4. A.C. Green
5. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

vs

1. BJ Armstrong
2. Michael Jordan
3. Scottie Pippen
4. Dennis Rodman
5. Horace Grant

Both great teams. Rodman is a BEAST on defense but is not specail on offense. Jordan is unstoppable and Scottie should be contained(Michael Cooper). Magic will be unstoppable, he's too big for any guard on this team. Every time Kareem touches the ball it is a guarunteed point.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
1. Magic Johnson
2. Byron Scott
3. James Worthy
4. A.C. Green
5. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

vs

1. BJ Armstrong
2. Michael Jordan
3. Scottie Pippen
4. Dennis Rodman
5. Horace Grant

Both great teams. Rodman is a BEAST on defense but is not specail on offense. Jordan is unstoppable and Scottie should be contained(Michael Cooper). Magic will be unstoppable, he's too big for any guard on this team. Every time Kareem touches the ball it is a guarunteed point.

Did you guys forget when Scottie was forced to guard Magic, because Mikey was in foul troube (IN THE NBA FINALS)? Magic was stifled beyond his wildest imagination. And the Bulls team listed above is not the 95-96 Bulls. Horace and Dennis were never on the same Bulls team.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Showtime Lakers>Bulls. There team is deeper.

That what a lot of Bulls' opponents thought too.

Yea and that was in the early ninety's. Were talking about in the 80's when Magic was in his prime.

Bulls in 6 games any of the Bulls teams.