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Disassembled.............House of M................Civil War...........according to Marvel these event shave been building up to a new stage in the MU a state of paranoia. According to Bendis, thanks to the events at the end of New Avengers #31 there will be mistrust and lots of finger pointing at each other. This has supposedly been building up since th early days of NA with dodgy SHIELD and Hydra espionage themes and shadowy figures.

So what do you guys think this upcoming event will be all about? discuss here...........

Its something to do with the Skrulls not having a home planet anymore and believing that the Earth is theirs.

Apparently they have even infiltrated the Illuminati.

The only way you know that someone is a Skrull is to kill them, apparently even Logan can't tell the difference between a Skrull imposter and the real thing.

So everyone is going to be looking for someone who is saying or doing something a little "Skrully"

More bloody aliens eh? .... wonder if we'll ever see the Ruul again (the shapeshifting guys that some of the Kree evolved into at the end of Maximum Security)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/454643_1-venom-slays-teh-avengers-return-of-symbiotes

So we'll have Skrulls & Symbiotes running around in the not too distant future ... anyone else? the Kree are always around somewhere, maybe the Illuminati pissed off too many extraterrestrials while warning them to f**k off and leave the Earth alone.

I'm just praying we get to see more Super Skrull action

Maybe the symbiotes are Skrulls

I'm thinking that Xavier is a Skrull impostor in Illuminati judging from the last panel of Illuminati #2. I also reckon that it will turn out that part of the reason Iron-man was behaving like Hitler for Civil War was because of his concerns that something like this might happen. This way Marvel get to show Tony in a good light just in time for the movie

Well Tony as a Skrull is a little too obvious.

But Bendis is writing it so who knows!

So..WAIT.

All the editorial f*ck up's over the last 2-3 years are (to put things simply) being blamed on Skrulls ?

One word.

LAME !

Bendis already implied in an interview that there wouldn't be any "easy outs" like Tony or Cap being Skrulls. So I doubt that's it. Xavier seems likely. Or maybe Black Bolt...the whole "he can't speak" thing would actually work to his advantage because it would be harder to tell he's an imposter.

Maybe.

Still, I like it....it's some over-arching continuity that extends back at least a few years, rather than simply the next big event.

Originally posted by willRules
I'm thinking that Xavier is a Skrull impostor in Illuminati judging from the last panel of Illuminati #2. I also reckon that it will turn out that part of the reason Iron-man was behaving like Hitler for Civil War was because of his concerns that something like this might happen. This way Marvel get to show Tony in a good light just in time for the movie

That would mean ... that Onslaught wasn't Xavier.

Originally posted by Scoobless
That would mean ... that Onslaught wasn't Xavier.






A continuity flaw I'm sure Marvel would be willing to overlook, especially given the criminal crap-tastic-ness of anything involving Onslaught.

Due to poor management the Skrulls accidentally have replaced every single humanoid on the plant with an imposter.

I'm just going to assume everyone is a Skrull until proven otherwise, then use that as leverage in debates on the forums if I don't like a particular feat.

31

Wouldn't identifying skrulls be easy if you had a telepath?

Originally posted by AcousticDoc
Wouldn't identifying skrulls be easy if you had a telepath?

Not if the Skrull's have their own telepaths. Or if they had stolen all the telepaths and replaced them.

Xavier seems the most likely to be a Skrull. After House of M (and during the event) he vanished for a long time.

And I just reread Illuminati #1 over again. The Skrulls mentioned that of all their prisoners (the Illuminati), the mutant gene was the easiest to comprehend. And at the end the emperor mentioned that "they got what they needed out of them". Then again, it could just be some random mutants are Skrulls and a few random heroes. I don't think anyone major.

Sentry.

Maybe they didn't replace any of the Illuminati but instead placed post-hypnotic commands within their subconscious.

shrug

Originally posted by Scoobless
Maybe they didn't replace any of the Illuminati but instead placed post-hypnotic commands within their subconscious.

shrug

Why would they do that?

To f**k with their heads, get them to fight each other in some sort of civil war which would, hopefully, see a few of them die and at least cause them to turn on one another leading to one of two optimal results:

1) they eventually destroy each other and the Skrull's can just walk in and take the planet

2) the mental commands cause them to begin the "initiative" which forms masses of teams which could be comprised of powered Skrulls in disguise giving them a massive strategic advantage in any future attack.

Originally posted by grey fox
So..WAIT.

All the editorial f*ck up's over the last 2-3 years are (to put things simply) being blamed on Skrulls ?

One word.

LAME !

Actually Bendis said that they have been planning this way back since the beginning of NA with the shadowy figures, the disappearance of Nick Fury, both SHIELD and Hydra going rotten and Tony Stark worrying about the future of the MU. Bendis said that they are not using events like HoM or Civil War to say "It was a Skrull all along" but rather that logically a Skrull invasion would be put on hold for those events so Skrulls could sit back and watch heroes beat the heck out of each other and do the Skrull's job for them.

Personally I think a Skrull invasion would be a good opportunity to throw Nick Fury back into the mix. We also know that one of the shadowy figures (The one that gave Yelena Belova/Black Widow II powers) was a long haired Hydra leader. Perhaps he is a skrull impostor? It would explain why Hydra is going rotten and possibly SHIELD

BUMPTY BUMP

Stupid smelly skrulls.

god,you can instantly tel that any green,shapeshifting characters who play mind games are gonna be shithouse.



....wait a minute......

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Stupid smelly skrulls.

god,you can instantly tel that any green,shapeshifting characters who play mind games are gonna be shithouse.



....wait a minute......


That sounds like something a Skrull impostor would say

MM's clearly a Skrull. One of the Skrulliest traits to have is a belief that you can debate well.

BAH! The Kree will save us!

. . .

Or make things a hell of a lot worse

Yeah MM's so Skrull like

This may turn out to be Kree Skrull war vol 2 especially now that Mar Vehl's sorta returned

So maybe Alpha Flight was replaced by Skrulls, meaning that it was Skrulls that were killed by The Collective...

So maybe Alpha Flight will return, eh?

The "nice" thing about this Skrull-replacement idea is that it allows Marvel to easily retcon many of the recent (last couple of years or so, perhaps even farther back) developments in the MU

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'm just going to assume everyone is a Skrull until proven otherwise, then use that as leverage in debates on the forums if I don't like a particular feat.

31 Like Black Bolt?

Originally posted by shksprtx
So maybe Alpha Flight was replaced by Skrulls, meaning that it was Skrulls that were killed by The Collective...

So maybe Alpha Flight will return, eh?

The "nice" thing about this Skrull-replacement idea is that it allows Marvel to easily retcon many of the recent (last couple of years or so, perhaps even farther back) developments in the MU
Nah, no one cares enough about Alpha Flight.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
MM's clearly a Skrull. One of the Skrulliest traits to have is a belief that you can debate well.



This board has a lot of Skrulls then...

Originally posted by shksprtx
So maybe Alpha Flight was replaced by Skrulls, meaning that it was Skrulls that were killed by The Collective...

So maybe Alpha Flight will return, eh?

The "nice" thing about this Skrull-replacement idea is that it allows Marvel to easily retcon many of the recent (last couple of years or so, perhaps even farther back) developments in the MU

Yeah Marvel could use this too their advantage but Bendis emphasised the fact that events like HoM or Civil War could be seen as contributing to this event but in no way is it gonna turn out Stark or Cap was a Skrull all along, the meaning and themes and essential plot lines to these events will remain unchanged

No.



Cop out.

As usual such a valuable contribution

Originally posted by grey fox
So..WAIT.

All the editorial f*ck up's over the last 2-3 years are (to put things simply) being blamed on Skrulls ?

One word.

LAME !

I think its slightly better than dimensionally altering Super Boy Prime punches, which still can't fix Supermans Frikin Origin !

Originally posted by Scoobless
To f**k with their heads, get them to fight each other in some sort of civil war which would, hopefully, see a few of them die and at least cause them to turn on one another leading to one of two optimal results:

1) they eventually destroy each other and the Skrull's can just walk in and take the planet

2) the mental commands cause them to begin the "initiative" which forms masses of teams which could be comprised of powered Skrulls in disguise giving them a massive strategic advantage in any future attack.

*Presses the Speed dial button to shield head quarters, to report a skrull*

Originally posted by willRules
As usual such a valuable contribution

Why use 100 words when you could use 3 words just as effectively? .

Huge cop out.

Fair enough

Maybe this could be used to sort out that whole Xornneto mess. It was neither Xorn nor Magneto, it was a SKRULL!!!.

Well thats the one cop-out I would happily accept

Wouldn't his contact with the M'krann rid him of a skrull if he was being controlled by one?

If any of the Illuminati are skrulls, I would point a finger at Namor. Xavier just encountered the M'Kraan, and I think Namor's powers would be easier to duplicate.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
If any of the Illuminati are skrulls, I would point a finger at Namor. Xavier just encountered the M'Kraan, and I think Namor's powers would be easier to duplicate.

Wouldn't Reed and Tony's be the easiest to mimic?

I mean they've already made a guy with Reed's power and there tech should be at least enough to make an IronMan suit.

Maybe it's none of the Illuminati. Or all of them


I'm soo helpful

reading 31, I thought of the possibility that Doctor Strange had been replaced by a Skrull

Reaons:
His recent depowering- a high level skrull mytic could probably pretend to be a depowered Strange.
His spell in New Avengers 30 to detect evil detentions: if I remember correctly, the Doctor's face was the only one not shown being affected, and the baby, who had the whole Skrully thing going on at the end of 31, laughed when he used it- a Skrull spell?
His recent change in behavior: the Doc hasn't wanted to be involved with teams in a while. Marvel didn't even offer an explanation other than he felt like should as to why Doctor Strange would suddenly join a team that in the past, he would have had no reason to- I mean, fighting Hydra is not Doctor Strange's deal.

as much as this kinda makes sense to me, I will be so depressed if Doc Strange is a Skrull.

I like that they are not going to be retconning things like Civil War through this though. It sounds like an intense, but fun kind of superhero story.

That's all recent stuff though. I might be mistaken but wasn't it said the Skrull Illuminati member has been pretending for years and years at this point?

Originally posted by Validus
That's all recent stuff though. I might be mistaken but wasn't it said the Skrull Illuminati member has been pretending for years and years at this point?

true... but this is all stuff that occured since the plotline was announced. I mean, every marvel character has done weird stuff since the Kree-Skrull war.

I'm trying to believe Doctor Strange isn't a skrull.

Originally posted by Validus
That's all recent stuff though. I might be mistaken but wasn't it said the Skrull Illuminati member has been pretending for years and years at this point?

Really? Thats going to screw up so much stuff.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Wouldn't Reed and Tony's be the easiest to mimic?

I mean they've already made a guy with Reed's power and there tech should be at least enough to make an IronMan suit. Yeah, but I saw so much Civil War emotion with them that I figured it seemed too genuine to be a skrull.

Well, didn't Bendis state that it was just a POSSIBILITY that the Illuminati switch occured during the Illuminati issue that takes place right after the Kree Skrull war?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Yeah, but I saw so much Civil War emotion with them that I figured it seemed too genuine to be a skrull.

But in this context, wouldn't it be wise of the Skrulls to replace those influential in the Civil War, to more closely monitor events on earth, and perhaps even shape them?

In fact, what if we find out in retrospect that the Skrulls engineered the entire CW as well as the Registration Act. It works to their advantage to register as many superhumans as possible for the purposes of knowing which enemies to keep closest tabs on...

I mean, might as well take this conspiracy theory to the logical extreme...

Originally posted by shksprtx
But in this context, wouldn't it be wise of the Skrulls to replace those influential in the Civil War, to more closely monitor events on earth, and perhaps even shape them?

In fact, what if we find out in retrospect that the Skrulls engineered the entire CW as well as the Registration Act. It works to their advantage to register as many superhumans as possible for the purposes of knowing which enemies to keep closest tabs on...

I mean, might as well take this conspiracy theory to the logical extreme... Wasn't Tony depending on Namor's reaction to Osborne's attack, to gain support (or something like that) for Civil War?

I still say it's Namor.

Originally posted by tjcoady
true... but this is all stuff that occured since the plotline was announced. I mean, every marvel character has done weird stuff since the Kree-Skrull war.

I'm trying to believe Doctor Strange isn't a skrull.

I'd get a lot more respect for Skrull magic if they can imitate even a half ass Dr. Strange.

LP's either going to go on a homicidal rampage, or jump for joy if Strange is a Skrull.

But really? Skrulls? that's the retcon/excuse? Give me a ****ing break.

Btw, LP apparently called this over a year ago. Weird, huh?

Edit: I don't know if this teaser is real, but it does explain some things.

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/newavengers/31/NA_Elektra_t.jpg

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'd get a lot more respect for Skrull magic if they can imitate even a half ass Dr. Strange.

LP's either going to go on a homicidal rampage, or jump for joy if Strange is a Skrull.

But really? Skrulls? that's the retcon/excuse? Give me a ****ing break.

Btw, LP apparently called this over a year ago. Weird, huh?

Edit: I don't know if this teaser is real, but it does explain some things.

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/newavengers/31/NA_Elektra_t.jpg

it's real. read NA 31. and I don't think they're really going to be retconning things. at least I hope so.

Yeah they kept saying that it's not a retcon of events and is not there to retcon Civil War HoM Disassembled etc. They just said characters that have had wobbly resurrections over the past couple of years are suspects....

I'm thinking possible suspects are........

Mar Vehl (recently came back)
Strange (being underpowered and acting odd)
Jessica Jones and/or Child (funny eyes and suspicious behaviour)
Hawkeye (recently resurrected, again)
Xavier (Acting really oddly over the last couple of years.)

Two I think are unlikely to be Skrulls but are possibilities are Tony Stark as he has been out of character however I don't think he is a Skrull, just Marvel's ideal red herring for the storyline) And Spider-man due to his recent resurrection in the other and his odd behaviour in Civil War. Although i think these two are really unlikely..................

GOD I hope carnage was a skrull...

Originally posted by jinzin
GOD I hope carnage was a skrull...

Maybe Sentry is Or Aunt May Along with Bucky

Also the Punisher

What? I never really liked him

After the M'Kraan thing I doubt Xavier is a Skrull or any of the Illuminati for that matter...I always felt bastardy qualities were a prerequisite to be part of the Illuminati.

On the other hand living on Earth sure does suck, you have the Skrulls trying to invade and now the Shiar Empire.

I'd say Storm is more likely a Skrull then Xavier.

Check out the Skrulltastic link where the upcoming event finally has a name..... SECRET INVASION!!!!!!

Apparently Iron-man and Spider-woman are major players. Maybe she's a Skrull?????

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.1501.Baltimore_Retailer_Summit_2007_Secret_Invasion

Spider-Woman sucks.

Shouldn't all the Skrulls have been exposed by Wanda's HoM? She gave each one what they desired most.

I'm wondering if WWH is going to even effect this, the MU, or anything else.

If it -does- tie-in, we should be able to watch for suspicious signs until this arc is over and the next one starts.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Shouldn't all the Skrulls have been exposed by Wanda's HoM? She gave each one what they desired most.

Nope because Wanda was a Skrull so she protected all her Skrully friends sombrero2

Originally posted by Citizen V
Spider-Woman sucks.
cosigned that ***** ran right to that bastered tony

I'd be perfectly happy with this if they just did one thing: Bring back Nick Fury to save the day, and kick that ***** Maria Hill and that prick Stark off the SHIELD Helicarrier. evillaugh

I know that myself and various others have said that, but if they actually bring back Fury to stop the Skrulls, I'll forgive Joe Q even for creating Sentry.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'd be perfectly happy with this if they just did one thing: Bring back Nick Fury to save the day, and kick that ***** Maria Hill and that prick Stark off the SHIELD Helicarrier. evillaugh

I know that myself and various others have said that, but if they actually bring back Fury to stop the Skrulls, I'll forgive Joe Q even for creating Sentry.

Quesada didn't create Sentry..?

but the most recent interview with Bendis stated that Fury is going to be making a return "in a big way"

I think I mentioned in a theory earlier in this thread that my guess was Fury went underrground to prepare for the Skrull threat. He knew it was around, and he didn't know who he could trust. Rather than fight for his job after the secret war, he went underground in order to be ready when the Skrulls spring.

Plus, it's been hinted at that Maria Hill was appointed in order to botch the job. And that Stark knows about the Skrulls, and part of the reason for his recent dickishness was because the best way for him to be prepared to stop them was to getting where he is now... look in MA one at his comment to Ms. Marvel about how "they'll" find out.

not to mention when he said "we need to get them before they do...."
when he was talkign about the new avengers to Ms marvel

Originally posted by Battlehammer
not to mention when he said "we need to get them before they do...."
when he was talkign about the new avengers to Ms marvel

yea, that's true. I think the evidence is pointing to Fury and Tony both knowning what's going on, and acting accordingly.

I think this is a really fun storyline. I don't normally like Bendis- I hated Dissasambeled/House of M. But this is something he clearly thought through from his very first issue of NA, and has been slowly but surely leading to. It makes for interesting, suspensful comics. Plus, I think he's kind of finally hit his stride about the characterization of certain individuals (Luke Cage, for instance, who's he kinda just portrayed as a stereotype towards the beginning)

Totally agree. The only criticism I have of this is that Clint Barton is still Ronin. I want Hawkeye back!!!!!

Illuminati #5

Manipulated....nah Wanda did that because she's a 7&*$$

http://comics.ign.com/articles/832/832211p1.html

Originally posted by willRules
Totally agree. The only criticism I have of this is that Clint Barton is still Ronin. I want Hawkeye back!!!!!

yea... c'mon, Clint.. Ronin? if you're going to have a new costume, make it original at least. Hawkeye is the most badass Avenger, and every Avenger comic that doesn't have him in it makes children weep.

Exactly

Strange is a Skrull and hopefully Echo as well. Black Widow and Spider-woman are also Skrulls.









How do I know? I'm also a Skrull.

Originally posted by willRules
Strange is a Skrull and hopefully Echo as well. Black Widow and Spider-woman are also Skrulls.









How do I know? I'm also a Skrull. If your a skrull how do we know you are not lying about who the other skrulls are

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
If your a skrull how do we know you are not lying about who the other skrulls are


Because.........


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shut up

Stark FTW.