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Is life just chemistry? So then life should be capable of being created in a laboratory right? I mean if life truly is just a bunch of chemicals then scientists should have no trouble producing life right? So then why haven't these erudite, scholarly, learned savants created life? What is the problem? Isn't the potter more intelligent than the clay? Aren't we the potter of life? Perhaps we are truly the clay just as the Bible states (illustratively of course not literally).

Just thought I'd give you one to grow on.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/454575_1-If-humans-made-artificial-life-would-that-change-how-you-believe-in-your-religion

I guess you never looked at this thread.

teh roflwafflez @ uninformedz

...Yes, because Scientists have done every single thing that is theoretically possible. Uh huh.

Well you know it's theoretically possible to send a manned flight to Mars, but it hasn't been done yet... I guess that must be because God has forbidden it.

Originally posted by King Kandy
...Yes, because Scientists have done every single thing that is theoretically possible. Uh huh.

Well you know it's theoretically possible to send a manned flight to Mars, but it hasn't been done yet... I guess that must be because God has forbidden it.

Soon we will have made artificial life. Then what will people like JIA do?

Yeah, I'd love to see the look on JIA's face when artificial life actualy IS created.

Apparently they've been working on a man-made life form for almost eight years now.

Czech this

People like JIA will just come up with more excuses.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Is life just chemistry? So then life should be capable of being created in a laboratory right? I mean if life truly is just a bunch of chemicals then scientists should have no trouble producing life right? So then why haven't these erudite, scholarly, learned savants created life? What is the problem? Isn't the potter more intelligent than the clay? Aren't we the potter of life? Perhaps we are truly the clay just as the Bible states (illustratively of course not literally).

Just thought I'd give you one to grow on.

Well, how do you figure that they should have "no trouble"?

The Universe we see around us needed billions of years, and as far as we know of it worked only in a really, really tiny fraction of that universe. Not to forget all the billion Universes where it didn't work out.

Now it might be creatable, but "no trouble". I don't think so.

Is KMC just a Turing machine?

Originally posted by Mindship
Is KMC just a Turing machine?

What is a turing machine?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Is life just chemistry? So then life should be capable of being created in a laboratory right? I mean if life truly is just a bunch of chemicals then scientists should have no trouble producing life right? So then why haven't these erudite, scholarly, learned savants created life? What is the problem? Isn't the potter more intelligent than the clay? Aren't we the potter of life? Perhaps we are truly the clay just as the Bible states (illustratively of course not literally).

Just thought I'd give you one to grow on.

to answer your question, no. life is not just chemistry.......that makes the rest of your post moot as it's based on a flawed understanding of the anatomy and/or physiology of the human body. Life is the result of interactions between chemicals, tissue and energy.

If life's just chemistry, why can't God just be chemistry, JIA?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What is a turing machine?
I could send you a list of googled definitions, but the gist of my response was this: how do you know KMC isn't a computer program, all the members nothing more than software? Essentially, this whole forum could be a Turing test: a set of responses which do not adequately differentiate (for a genuine human participant) between what another human might say and what a computer program might say.

Originally posted by Mindship
I could send you a list of googled definitions, but the gist of my response was this: how do you know KMC isn't a computer program, all the members nothing more than software? Essentially, this whole forum could be a Turing test: a set of responses which do not adequately differentiate (for a genuine human participant) between what another human might say and what a computer program might say.

You thought I was asking you that question, but I was really being a smart ass.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive Is life just chemistry? So then life should be capable of being created in a laboratory right? I mean if life truly is just a bunch of chemicals then scientists should have no trouble producing life right? So then why haven't these erudite, scholarly, learned savants created life? What is the problem? Isn't the potter more intelligent than the clay? Aren't we the potter of life? Perhaps we are truly the clay just as the Bible states (illustratively of course not literally).

Just thought I'd give you one to grow on.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You thought I was asking you that question, but I was really being a smart ass. Sure you were...

Originally posted by Bardock42
Sure you were... I'm sorry, but I don't feel like explaining it to you.

We havnt made a universe yet either, proof that God exists.

To be fair, what JIA is getting at is the theoretical chemical origins of life. There's a huge difference between creating life using all one's resources and creating life based on the assumed early-Earth conditions.

But, JIA is dumb, as usual.

So let's get back to our regularly scheduled program: bewbz.

Originally posted by FeceMan
To be fair, what JIA is getting at is the theoretical chemical origins of life. There's a huge difference between creating life using all one's resources and creating life based on the assumed early-Earth conditions.

But, JIA is dumb, as usual.

So let's get back to our regularly scheduled program: bewbz.

It is so refreshing to see Christian love in action.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You thought I was asking you that question, but I was really being a smart ass. And a damn good one at that.

Originally posted by Mindship
And a damn good one at that.

Thank you! I think...

Originally posted by Mindship
Is KMC just a Turing machine?

Give it some time biotch!

Wiki would be a more likely condidate in the future though . . . that or pr0n networks.

Originally posted by Magee
We havnt made a universe yet either, proof that God exists.

Hahaha, what?!

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I'm sorry, but I don't feel like explaining it to you.

I'm sorry, but lets face it, you are not the smartes pen on the tree.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I'm sorry, but lets face it, you are not the smartes pen on the tree.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
God didn't want us too. Damn foiled again, that God is a tricky one pitt_fist

He's magic you know.

Originally posted by Boris
Hahaha, what?!

That makes no sense whatsoever. That was kind of my point.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Is life just chemistry? So then life should be capable of being created in a laboratory right? I mean if life truly is just a bunch of chemicals then scientists should have no trouble producing life right? So then why haven't these erudite, scholarly, learned savants created life? What is the problem? Isn't the potter more intelligent than the clay? Aren't we the potter of life? Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Perhaps we are truly the clay just as the Bible states (illustratively of course not literally).

Clearly in 1000 CE...since man could not fly, he would never be able to.

And no, the potter is not more intelligent than the clay, but the potter has to learn how to manipulate the clay before he can make anything more than an amorphous lump.

Besides, chemist are very good potters. However, the potter doesn't MAKE the clay, he makes objects from the clay: manipulates it. We manupulate human chemistry all the time. Making life is a whole different step.

Another fabulous analogy...not that you'll reply of course, because you actually don't have answers.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Perhaps we are truly the clay just as the Bible states (illustratively of course not literally).

Are you NOT taking the Bible literally?

Originally posted by Alliance
Clearly in 1000 CE...since man could not fly, he would never be able to.

And no, the potter is not more intelligent than the clay, but the potter has to learn how to manipulate the clay before he can make anything more than an amorphous lump.

Besides, chemist are very good potters. However, the potter doesn't MAKE the clay, he makes objects from the clay: manipulates it. We manupulate human chemistry all the time. Making life is a whole different step.

Another fabulous analogy...not that you'll reply of course, because you actually don't have answers.



Are you NOT taking the Bible literally?

With all of our superb technology, knowledge, skill, ingenuity, and education scientists (plural which means that many heads are better than one) should be able to at least (at the very minimum) duplicate (deliberately) what scientists believe that random, chance occurrence did by fortuitous happenstance right? What is the hold up? Why should it take billions of years to create life with our smarts, technology, supercomputers, etc. In fact, which part evolved first the chicken or the egg--oops, I mean the brain or the foot? Why don't scientists simply make a toe? That's all, they don't have to make a brain, just create a big toe, and I'll be satisfied.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
With all of our superb technology, knowledge, skill, ingenuity, and education scientists (plural which means that many heads are better than one) should be able to at least (at the very minimum) duplicate (deliberately) what scientists believe that random, chance occurrence did by fortuitous happenstance right? What is the hold up? Why should it take billions of years to create life with our smarts, technology, supercomputers, etc. In fact, which part evolved first the chicken or the egg--oops, I mean the brain or the foot? Why don't scientists simply make a toe? That's all, they don't have to make a brain, just create a big toe, and I'll be satisfied.

I bet we will create artificial life within our life time.

Why hasn't Jesus returned yet? It's been over 2000 years.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
Apparently they've been working on a man-made life form for almost eight years now.

Czech this

People like JIA will just come up with more excuses.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I bet we will create artificial life within our life time.

Why hasn't Jesus returned yet? It's been over 2000 years.

With all of our collective brain power, supercomputers the size of rooms, ingenuity, scientific prowess, savvy, complex machinery, robotics, education, B.A.s, B.S.s, Master degrees, and Phds--the best that we can do is create spam (artifical meat), I mean artifical life? Come on now Shakyamunision, random, chance, fortuitous happenstance cannot be smarter than us, can it? Just maybe there is a God...hmm.

Jesus is given you and others like you a chance to repent of your sins.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
Apparently they've been working on a man-made life form for almost eight years now.

Czech this

People like JIA will just come up with more excuses.
You know, if 1000 years ago you'd said "Man cannot create flying devices, therefore their ability to do so must be limited by God", your argument would have the same validity then as it would now.

Originally posted by King Kandy
You know, if 1000 years ago you'd said "Man cannot create flying devices, therefore their ability to do so must be limited by God", your argument would have the same validity then as it would now.

But I didn't. I asked a valid question (it is valid because of the abundance of knowledge at our disposal and fingertips). We can send people to the moon, clone organisms, perform open heart surgery, make an ipod (er...uh...let me get back on track), communicate with people in other countries by phone or computer. We can do all of these amazing things but we cannot create an eye, or skin, or an efficient heart. We cannot even make a kidney, lung, or bladder. We cannot even create blood. I really don't understand why we cannot do all of these things. We can create an automaton, but we cannot give it a brain that is able to process information faster than the fastest supercomputer? I am nonplussed.

God? Could You possibly be the Creator of the human body?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
With all of our superb technology, knowledge, skill, ingenuity, and education scientists (plural which means that many heads are better than one) should be able to at least (at the very minimum) duplicate (deliberately) what scientists believe that random, chance occurrence did by fortuitous happenstance right? What is the hold up? Why should it take billions of years to create life with our smarts, technology, supercomputers, etc. In fact, which part evolved first the chicken or the egg--oops, I mean the brain or the foot? Why don't scientists simply make a toe? That's all, they don't have to make a brain, just create a big toe, and I'll be satisfied.

You have no idea how complex the human body is. The tools we have are the best they've every been, but we don't know everything. Try making an oragami crane with a jackhammer. It should be easy to make an oragami crane.

We can only manuipulate proteins we can isolate. We can only interpret code we can understand.

There is a lot we don't know. There is likely even more we don't know that we don't even know we know. You ignore many issues that are simply a result of how complex the situation is. No machine on earth is as efficient or complex as natural biological systems.

We're making progress, especailly at the genomic level, we have a much better understanding of how DNA works and what it means. Still, we don't really know what the function of many parts of DNA. Proteins are a whole different story.

Big toe? Come on, you're talking about the interaction of millions of cells that need to be creaded from scratch and then developed into multiple organ systems and have functional significance.

Lets start with a cell, which would be a more realistic goal at the current time. More specifically, a prokaryote organism, a single cell that doesn't require the interactions with others. We can thow a bunch of structures together and a bunch of proteins et al, but we'll be missing other compounds that we haven't identified yet. Compounds necessary maybe even during only one part of its life cycle.

Its just simply not a practical area of research at this point.

So, why the f*ck does this even matter?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But I didn't. I asked a valid question (it is valid because of the abundance of knowledge at our disposal and fingertips).

They said the same thing in 1000 CE about flying machines. They sat back and marveled at how advanced they were.

Originally posted by Alliance
So, why the f*ck does this even matter?
It doesn't. Humans creating life doesn't matter, be it a cell or a human.

But why does JIA think it matters? More proselytizing?

Originally posted by Alliance
But why does JIA think it matters? More proselytizing?
He's dumb.

Yes.

Originally posted by Alliance
You have no idea how complex the human body is. The tools we have are the best they've every been, but we don't know everything. Try making an oragami crane with a jackhammer. It should be easy to make an oragami crane.

We can only manuipulate proteins we can isolate. We can only interpret code we can understand.

There is a lot we don't know. There is likely even more we don't know that we don't even know we know. You ignore many issues that are simply a result of how complex the situation is. No machine on earth is as efficient or complex as natural biological systems.

We're making progress, especailly at the genomic level, we have a much better understanding of how DNA works and what it means. Still, we don't really know what the function of many parts of DNA. Proteins are a whole different story.

Big toe? Come on, you're talking about the interaction of millions of cells that need to be creaded from scratch and then developed into multiple organ systems and have functional significance.

Lets start with a cell, which would be a more realistic goal at the current time. More specifically, a prokaryote organism, a single cell that doesn't require the interactions with others. We can thow a bunch of structures together and a bunch of proteins et al, but we'll be missing other compounds that we haven't identified yet. Compounds necessary maybe even during only one part of its life cycle.

Its just simply not a practical area of research at this point.

So, why the f*ck does this even matter?



They said the same thing in 1000 CE about flying machines. They sat back and marveled at how advanced they were.

My point is that the human body is too complicated to have evolved. Time is irrelevant and immaterial with regard to evolution, there is no way that life (billions of organisms consisting of complicated plants, humans, insects, animals, etc.) evolved.

http://nwcreation.net/abiogenesis.html

http://www.doesgodexist.org/MayJun01/NewPlanetsDemonstrateEarthsUniqueness.html

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
My point is that the human body is too complicated to have evolved./B]

Why?

Originally posted by Alliance
Why?
Shhh, you'll spoil it.

The entire point of such a statement is to end the discussion on a "So there!" note. With that statement, JIA has officially beaten evolution.

http://doodoodoodoodoo.ytmnd.com/

Originally posted by Alliance
Why?


http://nwcreation.net/articles/howlifebegin.html(the answer to your question Alliance can be found in this link)

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
My point is that the human body is too complicated to have evolved. Time is irrelevant and immaterial with regard to evolution, there is no way that life (billions of organisms consisting of complicated plants, humans, insects, animals, etc.) evolved.

http://nwcreation.net/abiogenesis.html

http://www.doesgodexist.org/MayJun01/NewPlanetsDemonstrateEarthsUniqueness.html Just because your simple mind cant quite grasp the concept does not discredit it in anyway. The bible suits a person like you, stick to it.

Originally posted by Magee
Just because your simple mind cant quite grasp the concept does not discredit it in anyway. The bible suits a person like you, stick to it.

The most erudite scientists cannot grasp the concept otherwise they would have created life a long time ago.

http://www.bibleplus.org/creation/evidence.htm

The fact you think creating life is as simple as growing a tomato plant is proof that you really know nothing about what you are talking about. What exactly is your point anyway? That God exists because humans have yet to create life?

I think you just love to simplify things to fit your own twisted views.

Originally posted by Magee
The fact you think creating life is as simple as growing a tomato plant is proof that you really know nothing about what you are talking about. What exactly is your point anyway? That God exists because humans have yet to create life?

I think you just love to simplify things to fit your own twisted views.

What twisted views? Evolution is not possible based on all of the information that we have gathered hitherto.

Guess JIA is ignoring me, how very nice of him. OH well

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What twisted views? Evolution is not possible based on all of the information that we have gathered hitherto. You are funny.

False dilemmas for 200, Alex.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
With all of our superb technology, knowledge, skill, ingenuity, and education scientists (plural which means that many heads are better than one) should be able to at least (at the very minimum) duplicate (deliberately) what scientists believe that random, chance occurrence did by fortuitous happenstance right? What is the hold up? Why should it take billions of years to create life with our smarts, technology, supercomputers, etc. In fact, which part evolved first the chicken or the egg--oops, I mean the brain or the foot? Why don't scientists simply make a toe? That's all, they don't have to make a brain, just create a big toe, and I'll be satisfied.

Ever heard of a pacemaker?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://nwcreation.net/articles/howlifebegin.html(the answer to your question Alliance can be found in this link)

I can't argue with a webpage. Especially one riddled with factual innacuracies. If you want me to respond, write a post (not copy-paste a webpage)

Also: tell me this: If I know nothing of Christianity, would you listen to me if I told you how to be a good Christian?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://nwcreation.net/articles/howlifebegin.html(the answer to your question Alliance can be found in this link) Read the link, not impressed and see many holes in the logic. You also keep posting links saying that they can figure it out and the odds of it happening are astronomical, but the links that you keep posting and the research that they are using to support it are from books that were published 10 to 20 years ago which means the research that in it is even older than that. Do you understand the advancements in science that has happened since then and new breakthroughs in biology and our understanding? Back when these books were published they barely had an understanding of DNA much less mapped it. Bio-engineering is only in its infant stage, I have no doubt within my life time and definitely within yours that they will indeed reproduce life but you will still doubt that as well.

Yes but until we create a human from nothingness the hardcore christians will not be happy chappys.

Originally posted by Magee
Yes but until we create a human from nothingness the hardcore christians will not be happy chappys. Even for JIA that wouldn't be enough because he would simply say that it was man creating it and not by chance.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But I didn't. I asked a valid question (it is valid because of the abundance of knowledge at our disposal and fingertips). We can send people to the moon, clone organisms, perform open heart surgery, make an ipod (er...uh...let me get back on track), communicate with people in other countries by phone or computer. We can do all of these amazing things but we cannot create an eye, or skin, or an efficient heart. We cannot even make a kidney, lung, or bladder. We cannot even create blood. I really don't understand why we cannot do all of these things. We can create an automaton, but we cannot give it a brain that is able to process information faster than the fastest supercomputer? I am nonplussed.

God? Could You possibly be the Creator of the human body?
Or maybe, just maybe... Humans haven't done everything theoretically possible? Also, check the link... A guy created Microbes.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
Apparently they've been working on a man-made life form for almost eight years now.

Czech this

People like JIA will just come up with more excuses.

^It's too small, I can't read it with my eyes closed.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
^It's too small, I can't read it with my eyes closed.

rofl big words for big kids

Originally posted by ThePittman
Read the link, not impressed and see many holes in the logic. You also keep posting links saying that they can figure it out and the odds of it happening are astronomical, but the links that you keep posting and the research that they are using to support it are from books that were published 10 to 20 years ago which means the research that in it is even older than that. Do you understand the advancements in science that has happened since then and new breakthroughs in biology and our understanding? Back when these books were published they barely had an understanding of DNA much less mapped it. Bio-engineering is only in its infant stage, I have no doubt within my life time and definitely within yours that they will indeed reproduce life but you will still doubt that as well.

Selectively using old sources is a favorite of creationists...they act as if problems and misconceptions about evolution from the 1920's (pre-Modern Synthesis) are still present

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
If life's just chemistry, why can't God just be chemistry, JIA?

Because God is a Spirit.

JIA, I've posted the link like five times, even once in giant type... Stop ignoring it.

Originally posted by King Kandy
JIA, I've posted the link like five times, even once in giant type... Stop ignoring it.

What link?

I don't know, the one in GIANT TYPE near the top of the page?

How could you possibly miss it?

Originally posted by King Kandy
I don't know, the one in GIANT TYPE near the top of the page?

How could you possibly miss it?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
With all of our collective brain power, supercomputers the size of rooms, ingenuity, scientific prowess, savvy, complex machinery, robotics, education, B.A.s, B.S.s, Master degrees, and Phds--the best that we can do is create spam (artifical meat), I mean artifical life? Come on now Shakyamunision, random, chance, fortuitous happenstance cannot be smarter than us, can it? Just maybe there is a God...hmm.

Jesus is given you and others like you a chance to repent of your sins.

WELL IF YOU"D CLICKED ON THE DAMN LINK YOU'D HAVE KNOWN THAT MICROBES HAVE BEEN CREATED!!!!

Originally posted by King Kandy
WELL IF YOU"D CLICKED ON THE DAMN LINK YOU'D HAVE KNOWN THAT MICROBES HAVE BEEN CREATED!!!!

I did click on it back when AngryManatee posted it. They have not created anything, they have simply taken preexistent material and manipulated its sequence of DNA.

No, they took DNA and turned it into a living creature... The DNA wasn't part of a living being when the used it.

Also, something you have to realize is that according to current theory, it took 11 billion years for life to come about on Earth... We've only really been trying to do it with our tech for 70 years. You'll have to give us a bit more time then that.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No, they took DNA and turned it into a living creature... The DNA wasn't part of a living being when the used it.

Also, something you have to realize is that according to current theory, it took 11 billion years for life to come about on Earth... We've only really been trying to do it with our tech for 70 years. You'll have to give us a bit more time then that.

The scientists took DNA from bacteria called Mycoplasma genitalium.

It still serves as evidence that we're getting ever closer, all it takes is time.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Is life just chemistry? Yes.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So then life should be capable of being created in a laboratory right? Yes.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I mean if life truly is just a bunch of chemicals then scientists should have no trouble producing life right? Yes!
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So then why haven't these erudite, scholarly, learned savants created life? This post doesn't seem intelligent anymore.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What is the problem? Assholes like you aren't helping. Wait, I thought they did make life. What? I have a link? http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2069 What? Another? http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/news/releases/2002/02_33AR.html Wow, guess I got you there.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The scientists took DNA from bacteria called Mycoplasma genitalium.
How do you know that? It doesn't say in the article.

Originally posted by King Kandy
How do you know that? It doesn't say in the article.

http://www.edwardwillett.com/Columns/manmadelife.htm

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.edwardwillett.com/Columns/manmadelife.htm
That article says they manufactured their own genes... They only used the organisms genes for testing.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.edwardwillett.com/Columns/manmadelife.htm

from the site:

The first step of the project will be to create an artificial chromosome (the structure that holds genes in place in the nucleus of a cell) packed with about 300 manufactured genes, based on the essential genes discovered in 1999. The scientists will then place the artificial chromosome in the nucleus of an M. genitalium bacterium whose own genetic material has been removed. If the experiment works, the new cell will be able to divide and produce a new generation of cells, all of which will contain the new man-made genetic instructions.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
from the site:

The first step of the project will be to create an artificial chromosome (the structure that holds genes in place in the nucleus of a cell) packed with about 300 manufactured genes, based on the essential genes discovered in 1999. The scientists will then place the artificial chromosome in the nucleus of an M. genitalium bacterium whose own genetic material has been removed. If the experiment works, the new cell will be able to divide and produce a new generation of cells, all of which will contain the new man-made genetic instructions.

They are still using preexistent material as I have previously stated. They are using the Mycoplasma genitalium cell.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
They are still using preexistent material as I have previously stated. They are using the Mycoplasma genitalium cell

So, if we could reanimate a dead body, you would say that it was alive to begin with?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
They are still using preexistent material as I have previously stated. They are using the Mycoplasma genitalium cell.
Yeah, for testing and hosting.

The lifeform itself is 100% artificial.

And anyway, even if this isn't artificial life by your definition, you have to admit that it IS a huge step in the right direction.

As I said before, it's only the beginning JIA.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, if we could reanimate a dead body, you would say that it was alive to begin with?

Creating life means just that: creating life (i.e. creating a complicated organsim from nothing like God did), which Dr. Venter and his myriad of colleagues have not done.

and we're getting ever so much closer

This artificial bacteria is a step in the right direction... We're getting closer every day.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Creating life means just that: creating life (i.e. creating a complicated organsim from nothing like God did), which Dr. Venter and his myriad of colleagues have not done. For you even if they crated everything from nothing you still wouldn't believe because it was done in a lab. The point is with every try and new experiment they get closer and closer removing one important step after another which gets them closer. You do not build the entire house without building the foundation and walls first, once you have these it is still not a house but the first steps to building one.

Originally posted by King Kandy
This artificial bacteria is a step in the right direction... We're getting closer every day.

It will never happen.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It will never happen. Yes it will, maybe not in my life time or maybe not even in yours but it will.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It will never happen.

And when it does happen, what will you do then?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
And when it does happen, what will you do then? Deny it as normal or come up with some other thing to BS about.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Yes it will, maybe not in my life time or maybe not even in yours but it will.

We also thought we would never map the human genome in our life time.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
We also thought we would never map the human genome in our life time. That's why I said maybe, all it takes is someone to get inspired and it opens up a floodgate of new idea. I would love to see it in my life time.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
That's why I said maybe, all it takes is someone to get inspired and it opens up a floodgate of new idea. I would love to see it in my life time.

Don't go playing in the street tomorrow then.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Don't go playing in the street tomorrow then. roadkill

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
roadkill



______________puke

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
And when it does happen, what will you do then?

I will run through town with my hair on fire screaming wooly wooly bug, go on fear factor and eat all kinds of disgusting things for free, eat crow, believe in unicorns and green dragons, give my money to the A.C.L.U., streak during a Super Bowl carrying a sign that reads:

"Why don't they make the whole plane out of that black box stuff."

I'll shake my derriere for the world to behold while dancing to Will Smith's gettin' jiggy with it on my ipod, then I will parachute into the jungles of the orient and become a Tibetan monk. Next I will come out of that life and make my living as an underwear model turned reality show producer turned Swiss watch maker. But I will not stop there. I will write a book entitled, "How The West Was Won Three Secrets to Successful Underwear Modeling Who Let The Dogs Out a Guide to Home Improvement."

Did I lose you on my book title? Anyway, this is just some of the things that I will do.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
They are still using preexistent material as I have previously stated. They are using the Mycoplasma genitalium cell.

So what would have to happen to shake your faith?

I mean, the problem we have, that (assuming God exists, he didn't have) is that we essentially lack "nothing". We just don't have it.

Maybe it is the easiest thing in the world to create life out of "nothing"...but we don't know, cause we don't have any "nothing" to try our theories on.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
For you even if they crated everything from nothing you still wouldn't believe because it was done in a lab. The point is with every try and new experiment they get closer and closer removing one important step after another which gets them closer. You do not build the entire house without building the foundation and walls first, once you have these it is still not a house but the first steps to building one.

It will never happen (trust me).

Originally posted by Bardock42
So what would have to happen to shake your faith?

I mean, the problem we have, that (assuming God exists, he didn't have) is that we essentially lack "nothing". We just don't have it.

Maybe it is the easiest thing in the world to create life out of "nothing"...but we don't know, cause we don't have any "nothing" to try our theories on.

I will not permit my faith to be shaken.

I don't understand your second statement.

If it was perhaps so easy then why haven't scientists done it?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I will not permit my faith to be shaken.

I don't understand your second statement.

If it was perhaps so easy then why haven't scientists done it?

T-that was the point. We don't know really what there was if anything at all before the God's creation or the big bang, so we can't really test how easy it is to start of a universe or create life and everything from those standpoints.

God was having an arm wrestle with his roommate... and lost!

Originally posted by Boris
God was having an arm wrestle with his roommate... and lost!


?

Yeah seriously, he was wresting, then he farted and BOOM! Big bang.

Seriously, the holy show tells it as it is.

Originally posted by Boris
Yeah seriously, he was wresting, then he farted and BOOM! Big bang.

Seriously, the holy show tells it as it is.

So you admit that God exists?

Of course... God, his roomate Steve and I used to hang around back in the day, smokin dope, drinkin beers, the usual.

Good times.

Originally posted by Boris
Of course... God, his roomate Steve and I used to hang around back in the day, smokin dope, drinkin beers, the usual.

Good times.

So then why do you cling to evolutionary theory since you believe that God exists?

God told me the bible is wrong.

He was wasted one night and let it slip.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I will run through town with my hair on fire screaming wooly wooly bug, go on fear factor and eat all kinds of disgusting things for free, eat crow, believe in unicorns and green dragons, give my money to the A.C.L.U., streak during a Super Bowl carrying a sign that reads:

"Why don't they make the whole plane out of that black box stuff."

I'll shake my derriere for the world to behold while dancing to Will Smith's gettin' jiggy with it on my ipod, then I will parachute into the jungles of the orient and become a Tibetan monk. Next I will come out of that life and make my living as an underwear model turned reality show producer turned Swiss watch maker. But I will not stop there. I will write a book entitled, "How The West Was Won Three Secrets to Successful Underwear Modeling Who Let The Dogs Out a Guide to Home Improvement."

Did I lose you on my book title? Anyway, this is just some of the things that I will do.



I can't wait...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I can't wait...

Do I look worried?

YOU LOOK LIKE A SINNER!!!!!

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Do I look worried?



I can't see you.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I can't see you.

My photograph is a smilie.

Here is me receiving my Phd from Harvard:

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
My photograph is a smilie.

Here is me receiving my Phd from Harvard:



You are delusional. Harvard would never admit someone without a high school education.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are delusional. Harvard would never admit someone without a high school education.

Here is me celebrating Halloween before I was a born again believer in Jesus Christ:

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Here is me celebrating Halloween before I was a born again believer in Jesus Christ:



Whatever.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It will never happen (trust me). No I don't trust you, and yes it will. Same as they said that the Earth was flat, man can't go faster than sound, man can not fly and you man map the human genome. It will happen (trust me)

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
No I don't trust you, and yes it will. Same as they said that the Earth was flat, man can't go faster than sound, man can not fly and you man map the human genome. It will happen (trust me)

he doesn't know all of those are true though. Nowhere in the bible does it state that man can go fater than sound, the earth is not flat or man can fly.

Every years someone comes closer and closer to solving this riddle and with each step they eliminate one more piece of the puzzle and all JIA can say is that "they can't do it, so it is false".

I just amaze me they level of denial that he has, he accuses me that he couldn't convince me but that is where he is wrong. I do hold that I could be wrong and leave that possibility open where he does not, I do question my own beliefs where he does not and this is where I'm more "enlightened" them him.

Sigh, why do you all bother with arguing with JIA. HE is pigheaded, Arrogant , Ignorant and the perfect brainwashed zombie. People like him dont listen to reason , nor fact........ only those WARPED, BIASED ones that are found on the sites he links to.

Originally posted by fini
Sigh, why do you all bother with arguing with JIA. HE is pigheaded, Arrogant , Ignorant and the perfect brainwashed zombie. People like him dont listen to reason , nor fact........ only those WARPED, BIASED ones that are found on the sites he links to. cause it is fun

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
cause it is fun And he always makes us laugh.

Yes, especially when he brings up everything from 20+ year old data that he believes supports his stance (despite some of the statistics beings about quantum science, which disproves his belief in causality), asks other people to provide sources from where their information comes from, provides sites filled with crap (such as that lovely site about neandertals), and acts like a flatout moron.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I will run through town with my hair on fire screaming wooly wooly bug, go on fear factor and eat all kinds of disgusting things for free, eat crow, believe in unicorns and green dragons, give my money to the A.C.L.U., streak during a Super Bowl carrying a sign that reads:

"Why don't they make the whole plane out of that black box stuff."

I'll shake my derriere for the world to behold while dancing to Will Smith's gettin' jiggy with it on my ipod, then I will parachute into the jungles of the orient and become a Tibetan monk. Next I will come out of that life and make my living as an underwear model turned reality show producer turned Swiss watch maker. But I will not stop there. I will write a book entitled, "How The West Was Won Three Secrets to Successful Underwear Modeling Who Let The Dogs Out a Guide to Home Improvement."

Did I lose you on my book title? Anyway, this is just some of the things that I will do.

Okay, I'm totaly going to be an evolutionary biolegist now, just so I can help the world get one step closer to that goal.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Okay, I'm totaly going to be an evolutionary biolegist now, just so I can help the world get one step closer to that goal.

The best minds in the world (collectively) have been working on this for years do you really believe that you have anything to contribute? (Guess I won't be hollering "wooly wooly bug" with my hair on fire, except when Hell freezes over, unicorns and green dragons exist, and when Bush recalls all of the troops from Iraq)

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The best minds in the world (collectively) have been working on this for years do you really believe that you have anything to contribute? (Guess I won't be hollering "wooly wooly bug" with my hair on fire, except when Hell freezes over, unicorns and green dragons exist, and when Bush recalls all of the troops from Iraq) You know how ridiculous that statement is? Why do you keep insisting on using it? Just because we haven't done it yet doesn't mean that it can't be done, IE look at the airplane. For hundreds of years some of the best minds in the world tried to learn how to fly and they said it couldn't be done and it just took two guys to figure it out and look at us now. So please stop using that statement, it is so wrong on so many levels.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The best minds in the world (collectively) have been working on this for years do you really believe that you have anything to contribute? (Guess I won't be hollering "wooly wooly bug" with my hair on fire, except when Hell freezes over, unicorns and green dragons exist, and when Bush recalls all of the troops from Iraq)
That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard...

You know, for hundreds of years people didn't calculate the properties of Gravity with good accuracy... The finest minds working together. I guess that means that Newton couldn't have POSSIBLY done it...

Originally posted by King Kandy
That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard...

You know, for hundreds of years people didn't calculate the properties of Gravity with good accuracy... The finest minds working together. I guess that means that Newton couldn't have POSSIBLY done it...

Calculating the properites gravity and creating life from nothing are not the same.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Calculating the properites gravity and creating life from nothing are not the same.

What about making something alive from things that are not alive?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Calculating the properites gravity and creating life from nothing are not the same. Before you can do Trigonometry you must be able to do basic math

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The best minds in the world (collectively) have been working on this for years do you really believe that you have anything to contribute?


I think you should take your own advice

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
I think you should take your own advice

Be realistic.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Be realistic.


You think JIA is hopeless ?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
You think JIA is hopeless ?

No one is hopeless, but he is very near.

actually, people like JIA. who are as extreme as him, are also as volatile. he might undergo and extreme change too and become the most passionately reasonable humanist on earth. then again.............maybe not.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Here is me celebrating Halloween before I was a born again believer in Jesus Christ:



erm, you were zorro{who took from the rich and gave to the poor/fought for justice/ was COOL} before giving it up and turning into a brainwashed self appointed preacher/crusader who does nothing better for the public good than fill their heads with dogmatic delusions??????? what am i to make of that????



OH I SEE!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHA. you got me there. you were actually trying to tell us how before being born again, you used to partake in EVIL/HEATHANISTIC/HERETICAL holidays like "HALLOWEEN"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

truly if sumthing can take me away form such a terrible tradition, I TOO WANNA BECOME A BORN AGAIN AND ACCEPT JESUS IN MY HEART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Calculating the properites gravity and creating life from nothing are not the same.
So? I wasn't comparing them at all, I was comparing the idea of "One man can't make a difference" that you were proprieting.

Originally posted by King Kandy
So? I wasn't comparing them at all, I was comparing the idea of "One man can't make a difference" that you were proprieting. You must remember that for JIA that 1 + 1 = 11

Originally posted by leonheartmm
erm, you were zorro{who took from the rich and gave to the poor/fought for justice/ was COOL} before giving it up and turning into a brainwashed self appointed preacher/crusader who does nothing better for the public good than fill their heads with dogmatic delusions??????? what am i to make of that????



OH I SEE!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHA. you got me there. you were actually trying to tell us how before being born again, you used to partake in EVIL/HEATHANISTIC/HERETICAL holidays like "HALLOWEEN"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

truly if sumthing can take me away form such a terrible tradition, I TOO WANNA BECOME A BORN AGAIN AND ACCEPT JESUS IN MY HEART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
ROTFLMAO!!!!!

life is subatomic physics, energy, gravitational and electrical fields, nuclear forces, and QUARKS.

It goes mch deeper then chemistry.

up? down? charm? strange? top? bottom? red? green? blue?

Originally posted by Alliance
up? down? charm? strange? top? bottom? red? green? blue?

Cool! I was looking for a list of quarks. I remembered Up, Down, Top, Bottom, Charmed and Strange, but I had forgotten Red and Green. BTW What is Blue?

the red/green/blue are the flavors of the 6 types...thoguht I don't remeber what acutally makes them different...and I'm not going to look it up.

Originally posted by Alliance
the red/green/blue are the flavors of the 6 types...thoguht I don't remeber what acutally makes them different...and I'm not going to look it up.

I thought there was only 8, 4 pairs of 2.

I've never heard of this before