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Let's say your family member or your best friend is brain-dead. Unable wake up again but technically still alive. Would you pull the tube/plug and end your miserable brain-dead friend's misery?

Damn, and here I thought the thread was about masturbation.

Question... How are they in misery, if they're "brain-dead"? WTF do they know.

The expression is "pulling the plug."

Had to break out the thesaurus for that one, did you?

pull the tube before your brain dead family member ends up like this

It's the spouse or parent's decision.

Pull it. The only thing their continued life (which is no more significant than an amoeba) contributes is sucking tax dollars to keep em ticking.

Pull it because I think anyone would rather be dead than alive without having the brain to percieve the world like you used to, or sumthin like that.

i cant quite choose...its easy to say "yeah i would pull the plug" because its financially smarter. But in actuality, you'd probably end up thinking about all the time you've spent with that person and the fact that their still breathing is proabably some type of hope.

if here is NO chance WHATSOEVER of waking, pull it.....yank it like you are starting a mower.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
pull the tube before your brain dead family member ends up like this
If you absolutely must link to that picture, don' t use one that' s located on a page which advertises and links to porn.

I would certainly want people to pull the plug on me, and I probably would do it in a situation like this, unless the person told me once that they didn't want that done to them.

well, this is why some people do a living will. i think that once you get middle aged, or around 50, you should do this.

Originally posted by JesusTheChrist
your miserable brain-dead friend's All my friends are miserable brain deads.

No I would not.I don't believe in killing a person weather they are a veggie or for what ever reason.jm

i've had to make this descision...i pulled the plug...and haven't regretted it once

Originally posted by JesusTheChrist
end your miserable brain-dead friend's misery?

if they're brain dead they cant very well experience misery...or anything really.

at the point of being brain dead its a matter of dignity as well as finances.
why keep a vegitable hooked up to machines when all it accomplishes is robbing them of their dignity in dying. for me it wouldnt even be a decision, but rather an act of common sense.

i would love for someone to dig up that idiotic quote from the last of many threads on this topic, where the grandmother interviewed said that the kid should stay on life support, braindead, "as god intended"

We have some brain-dead users on this forum. Can we make that decision for them?

When you're brain dead I would think the worst part about it is you can't really think, and you wouldn't even know you were brain dead.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
When you're brain dead I would think the worst part about it is you can't really think, and you wouldn't even know you were brain dead.

thats deep

Originally posted by Robtard
Damn, and here I thought the thread was about masturbation.

Question... How are they in misery, if they're "brain-dead"? WTF do they know.

LOL...I thought the same thing...

Anyway,

I have already told everyone in my family to pull the plug ASAP if I end up in a situation like that.

Also, we are weakening the human race because people are surviving through modern medicine that should not be surviving and they are passing along their genetic defects to their offspring. Mother nature cannot run its natural course because of that. This will all go away in the near future with 'gene doping" things...but the strengthening of the human genetic structure will only be available to the rich. damn, I am talking myself in circles again.

Put it in a living will. I had to be involved with that same scenario. It was tough, but she wanted it done.

People have survived and been revived from decade-long comas. You have no absolute way of knowing whether or not your loved one will wake up or not.

If it were someone I loved, I would keep the plug..I would pay as much as I had to to keep them alive, in hopes that one day he/she will awaken to see me again.

I could care less for the city' tax dollars, money is worthless in comparison to a life, especially the life of someone you love.


JIA..I am shocked that you finally made a thread about a topic other than Jesus. congrats

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
People have survived and been revived from decade-long comas. You have no absolute way of knowing whether or not your loved one will wake up or not.

we are talking about people who are braindead. its not beyond science to know the difference. so *kerplunk*

Yeah braindead people's brains never wake up. It'd be better to be dead than braindead, cause when you're braindead it's almost like you're not there at all I would think.

Hey maybe braindead but that does not mean to kill them.It should be there choice not the doctors or love ones.Theres.JM

its not a tough concept. brain = dead.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Hey maybe braindead but that does not mean to kill them.It should be there choice not the doctors or love ones.Theres.JM Oh yeah good idea let's ask the braindead person if they want us to pull the plug.

why not just say: "i dont think they should bury a corpse unless it consents to be buried. just leave it in the hospital and keep any remaining organs alive"

Schecter, brain-dead is not alive. Brain dead is biological death, and there's no life.


JIA, are you talking about biological death or clinical death ?


There is a difference between the two ...so far this thread makes no sense...a person cannot truly be brain dead and "technically" alive.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Schecter, brain-dead is not alive. Brain dead is biological death, and there's no life.


JIA, are you talking about biological death or clinical death ?


There is a difference between the two ...so far this thread makes no sense...a person cannot truly be brain dead and "technically" alive.

*sigh*

1-thats not JIA
and 2-

Originally posted by JesusTheChrist
Let's say your family member or your best friend is brain-dead. Unable wake up again but technically still alive. Would you pull the tube/plug and end your miserable brain-dead friend's misery?

People in comas can still show brain activity

Brain dead people cant.

lolz

Schecter...a person who is brain dead is DEAD...they are not "technically alive". There bodies will rot due to a cessation of life activities throughout the courpse.

What do you not understand ?

All right, to be clear, I meant people like Terri Schiavo. Vegetable People.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo

Or people like they can't ever wake up again AND they're still alive.

Originally posted by JesusTheChrist
Let's say your family member or your best friend is brain-dead. Unable wake up again but technically still alive. Would you pull the tube/plug and end your miserable brain-dead friend's misery?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
JIA, are you talking about biological death or clinical death ?

For ****s sake... "Brain Dead" does not mean "complete lose of life".


http://www.aacn.org/aacn/jrnlccn.nsf/0/5ebf8de743ead0fa8825674e005a8950?OpenDocument

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Hey maybe braindead but that does not mean to kill them.It should be there choice not the doctors or love ones.Theres.JM

Oh, so now you're pro-choice...
If my brain-dead friend signed a DNR or told me she/he would never want to be kept alive by machines, then I'd pull the plug. Otherwise, it's tough, but I wouldn't keep anyone alive just because I couldn't get over their death.

There are ways of testing brain activity response to specific stimuli. Based off these results, a Neurologist can determine how "Brain-Dead" someone is.

Originally posted by Robtard
Damn, and here I thought the thread was about masturbation.



Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Hey maybe braindead but that does not mean to kill them.It should be there choice not the doctors or love ones.Theres.JM

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Originally posted by Schecter
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Nah let them suffer for our amusement.

It's the American way. Human way, really.

Originally posted by BackFire
Nah let them suffer for our amusement.

It's the American way. Human way, really.

I'm surprised there isn't a reality show about it yet..

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Oh yeah good idea let's ask the braindead person if they want us to pull the plug.

If they put it in there will then yea we should know.But I ask you again.What gives us the right to decide to kill that person or not?Are we God?no!jm

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
If they put it in there will then yea we should know.But I ask you again.What gives us the right to decide to kill that person or not?Are we God?no!jm

ill type slowly: it wasnt up to god to hook a braindead person (a person who's brain, the seat of all their thoughts and presumably their soul, had D-I-E-D) to a machines which keeps the rest of their body alive.

its a really simple concept

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Originally posted by Schecter
ill type slowly: it wasnt up to god to hook a braindead person (a person who's brain, the seat of all their thoughts and presumably their soul, had D-I-E-D) to a machines which keeps the rest of their body alive.

its a really simple concept

try Similar to what my response would've been.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
If they put it in there will then yea we should know.But I ask you again.What gives us the right to decide to kill that person or not?Are we God?no!jm

Though I'm pro-pull, following your logic (which doesn't resemble our earth logic), if only being God gives you the right to make such decision, I can't decide about my own life? 'Cause I'm not God. God has nothing to do with this, leave him alone already. And by pulling the plug, you wouldn't kill that person, s/he's technically dead.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
If they put it in there will then yea we should know.But I ask you again.What gives us the right to decide to kill that person or not?Are we God?no!jm What gives us the right to continue to keep that person alive. Are we God?

So if we don't have the right to kill or keep them alive should we put her in some state of half-life?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
So if we don't have the right to kill or keep them alive should we put her in some state of half-life?

i dont know about 'right'...i just know that in the face of religion its justified...in fact i would think that keeping a braindead body alive on machines would be an abomination and perhaps even heracy in terms of it kinda being an act of necromancy...100% failure rated necromancy at that.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
So if we don't have the right to kill or keep them alive should we put her in some state of half-life? Wouldn't that be the vegitative state? Alive in body, but not in mind?

Anybody see X-3? That had a braindead person in it. It was also directed by one.

Originally posted by Schecter
i dont know about 'right'...i just know that in the face of religion its justified...in fact i would think that keeping a braindead body alive on machines would be an abomination and perhaps even heracy in terms of it kinda being an act of necromancy...100% failure rated necromancy at that. I second this.

The reason I could say you can "pull the plug" is because they are only living off of mechanical means and the only reason they did not die naturally is because of our own intervention. Personally, I beleive keeping the basically dead person alive, unless there is some real hope of their recovery, is pointless. It does nothign but postpone the natural way of things -and they are already dead.

Originally posted by Schecter
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no its just that i was so turned on i couldnt contain myself

Originally posted by Schecter
no its just that i was so turned on i couldnt contain myself

I get that alot when I see a girl passed out from alcohol. Here ya man ..

Originally posted by JesusTheChrist
Let's say your family member or your best friend is brain-dead. Unable wake up again but technically still alive. Would you pull the tube/plug and end your miserable brain-dead friend's misery?

Yes I would pull the plug if there was no way they could make a recovery.

Originally posted by T.M
Yes I would pull the plug if there was no way they could make a recovery.

ditto.

though i'll do everything i could before pulling it.

Weather you believe in God or not he may have plans for the person.Maybe the person does get better.And you learn that after pulling the plug.
Then you would feel upset thta you killed that person.No one has the right to decide on weather the person should die or not.jm

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Weather you believe in God or not he may have plans for the person.Maybe the person does get better.And you learn that after pulling the plug.
Then you would feel upset thta you killed that person.No one has the right to decide on weather the person should die or not.jm WHEN YOU ARE BRAINDEAD YOU DO NOT GET BETTER!

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Weather you believe in God or not he may have plans for the person.Maybe the person does get better.And you learn that after pulling the plug.
Then you would feel upset thta you killed that person.No one has the right to decide on weather the person should die or not.jm

well i'm not sure exactly when i answered. it was a quick answer. but the thing is, the person's body is probably suffering. usually, people who are brain dead then recovers have permanent brain damage. it'll be hard for them.
i'd probably willing to wait for at least 3 months. if it doesn't look like the body is actually suffering(heart murmurs, organ failures, the works.), i'd wait for it to wake up.
true, no one has the right, but sometimes there is just nothing else you could do.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
WHEN YOU ARE BRAINDEAD YOU DO NOT GET BETTER!

Yeah there is no way to recover from being braindead. And because of this, I would pull the plug. I would be extremely sad and upset, but it wold be the best thing to do.

Aye if the person cannot survive without a machine and can never be conscious of the world around them, then How can you call that life?

Without the machine they would die. LEt the person die, let nature take its course. When someone is braindead then we have helped the person as far as we can. Nature or God would take back the soul of that person, except by artificially keeping them alive, we rob them of that chance to move on.


We put down a pet when we cannot help them anymore and wish to end their suffering. We love them that much that we dont want them to suffer and leave this world in a slow agonising death.

Why can't everyone see that we offer the 'dignity' to our human loved ones? By keeping someone breathing and just breathing we are only fulfilling our own selfish needs to keep them with us. Even though it be a living corpse.

My grandmother was declared braindead after a massive stroke and she died 5 days after they disconnected the machine. She never woke up, never showed any indications of regaining brain activity. SO when she was ready, she left..... which happened to be just after when all her children had arrived and saw her.
She was on the machine for 2 weeks, and constantly deteriorated. So she was going downhill. Once my father and aunts were told this, and they saw the charts and everything, they readily agreed to it.

Doctors make lots more money if they keep people living longer on tubes and such.

Im sure they can dig people up these days, if theyve only been buried a few days, plug a bunch of cords into them and get their heart pumping and stuff. We can do anything now, but we cant restart the brain and repair the tissue lost there.

So thats the same thing with keeping a body runnign on this junk.

Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Im sure they can dig people up these days, if theyve only been buried a few days, plug a bunch of cords into them and get their heart pumping and stuff. We can do anything now, but we cant restart the brain and repair the tissue lost there.

So thats the same thing with keeping a body runnign on this junk.

No, they couldn't do that. maybe after a few hours of being dead. They do things to dead bodies that preserve it. (I forgot everything they do but they remove the blood and put in a preservative and then they put makeup on the body so that it restores the bodies color for presentation at a funeral.)

I'd pull the tube.

Better they move on than remain as a lesser form of their once natural self.

Plus, it'd be hard to see them like that everyday and I know I wouldn't want to stay here as a vegetable.

anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
WHEN YOU ARE BRAINDEAD YOU DO NOT GET BETTER!

If that's the case, it is probably a waste of time to try to debate a point of view to an OTF-er.

the internet is a series of tubes

I like poop.

I'd just ask them

"Jerry,if you want me to pull the plug,do nothing at all"

I pulled my tube twice yesterday.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I pulled my tube twice yesterday.


and thrice on sundays?

Originally posted by Martian_mind
and thrice on sundays? and even more on my off days.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
and even more on my off days.


I thought you got off every day haermm

good point.

My record for pulling my tube is five times in one day.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
My record for pulling my tube is five times in one day. lightweight.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
lightweight. Lightweight? I'm 223 pounds son.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Lightweight? I'm 223 pounds son. 225 here...and it was the number of times a day I meant.

What's your record?

more than 5.