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who wins?

Clear majority to Northstar. He can easily bypass most superhuman endurance and healing factor by beating them at super speed.

He easily took out Sabretooth.

Originally posted by llagrok
Clear majority to Northstar. He can easily bypass most superhuman endurance and healing factor by beating them at super speed.

He easily took out Sabretooth.

Well thats the end of this thread.

Wolverine has good reflexes, but not good enough; he would have a hard time even getting his hands on Northstar. Plus, Northstar has hurt Hulk.

The only way Wolvie can win this is by trying to use Northstar's speed against him.

which he can do, a super fast limpwristed punch from northstar breaks over Wolverines forhead...wolverine is a good enough fighter to set him up for this

Northstar would beat wolverine into the floor. Hes waay to fast.

Originally posted by shksprtx
The only way Wolvie can win this is by trying to use Northstar's speed against him.

I really don't see that happening.

Originally posted by shksprtx
Wolverine has good reflexes, but not good enough; he would have a hard time even getting his hands on Northstar. Plus, Northstar has hurt Hulk.

The only way Wolvie can win this is by trying to use Northstar's speed against him. He moves at lightspeed.

Originally posted by norrinradd43
which he can do, a super fast limpwristed punch from northstar breaks over Wolverines forhead...wolverine is a good enough fighter to set him up for this

Ummm...Northstar may be gay, but he still knows how to throw a punch. He's hurt Hulk, Sasquatch, and other heavy hitters, so "limpwristed" is probably not a good adjective to use in this case.

Having said that, Wolverine is a good enough fighter to set Northstar up into some sort of trap.

But he would pretty much have to either force Northstar to run full speed into a wall or get stuck in deep mud, and the chances of Wolvie doing that are IMO rather slim.

Plus, Northstar can fly. Wolvie only wins 1/20, maybe 2/20...

Originally posted by Big Sexy
He moves at lightspeed.

He's not that fast, but he's fad.

Originally posted by llagrok
He's not that fast, but he's fad. Hes been seen using Lightspeed several times.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I really don't see that happening.

Neither do I.



Not quite. I think his official bio says 99.9% of light speed, which is almost the same thing, but not really in a relativistic sort of way. Still, he's REALLY fast.

Originally posted by shksprtx
Neither do I.



Not quite. I think his official bio says 99.9% of light speed, which is almost the same thing, but not really in a relativistic sort of way. Still, he's REALLY fast. Actully I have seen several scans of him moving at lightspeed. Mungi has several. He was also moving at that speed the last time he and his sister fought the X-men when Rogue was keeping up with him through touch.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Actully I have seen several scans of him moving at lightspeed. Mungi has several. He was also moving at that speed the last time he and his sister fought the X-men.

Probably bad research in the bios, then.

BTW, doesn't current Northstar have the ability to generate light independently of Aurora? I had read that somewhere, but wasn't sure if it was true or not.

Originally posted by shksprtx
Probably bad research in the bios, then.

BTW, doesn't current Northstar have the ability to generate light independently of Aurora? I had read that somewhere, but wasn't sure if it was true or not. Not sure but I remember the writer kept mentioning the lightspeed thing when he fought the X-men.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Not sure but I remember the writer kept mentioning the lightspeed thing when he fought the X-men.

So that actually puts him on par with or close to Makkari, then?

Originally posted by shksprtx
So that actually puts him on par with or close to Makkari, then? Probably not. Makkari and Runner are on SS level speeds.

I'm just saying, in the general sense of being able to reach or exceed lightspeed...

Originally posted by shksprtx
I'm just saying, in the general sense of being able to reach or exceed lightspeed... I know that Lightspeed is his maximum but he doesn't get the exposure that so many other speedsters do. Magneto once stated he wasn't faster than quicksilver which is stupid. He is one of the fastest people on earth.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
I know that Lightspeed is his maximum but he doesn't get the exposure that so many other speedsters do. Magneto once stated he wasn't faster than quicksilver which is stupid.

How long ago? Northstar hasn't always been lightspeed.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Northstar would beat wolverine into the floor. Hes waay to fast. He already did it...Logan couldn't react. And Northstar's abilities and trainign enable him to hurt Logan.

Now capt is going to come in and will say Wolverine's reflexes work on or over Northstar's speed.

Logan's agility and reflexes can see Jean.

Jinzin will try to back that up and will say that Wolverine once in a while cought a speedster...

Then we have a debate against them...

And they keep forgetting the unwritten rules, that every character to their best ability usage and no PIS...

So then Northstar.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
I know that Lightspeed is his maximum but he doesn't get the exposure that so many other speedsters do.

It's because he's French-Canadian.



Agreed. Until his recent upgrade, QS's max speed was supposed to be around mach 1-2, whereas Northstar's pre-upgrade SAFE speed was about mach 10.

Originally posted by Rewmac
And they keep forgetting the unwritten rules, that every character to their best ability usage and no PIS...

Those aren't unwritten . . .

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
How long ago? Northstar hasn't always been lightspeed.

He apparently got some recent upgrades from The Hand. Or something like that.

But he was always theoretically capable of near-lightspeed.

Originally posted by Rewmac
He already did it...Logan couldn't react. And Northstar's abilities and trainign enable him to hurt Logan.

Now capt is going to come in and will say Wolverine's reflexes work on or over Northstar's speed.

Logan's agility and reflexes can see Jean.

Jinzin will try to back that up and will say that Wolverine once in a while cought a speedster...

Then we have a debate against them...

And they keep forgetting the unwritten rules, that every character to their best ability usage and no PIS...

So then Northstar.

Thanks for speeding things up

Originally posted by llagrok
Thanks for speeding things up You can count on me.

Here is how it goes from there...We spit our stuff for almost 30 pages and things are solved. capt and jinz will say Logan everybody else with logic other than Wolvie will say Jean Paul. 10 plus pages till everything gets personal and then comes one of the mods (Digi) Says something...Everything is lightened for 3 pages then it continues...
While after 45 pages they admit Wolvie could loose, then they will start to fight for a particular skill or ability that Wolverine. And that ability is greater than Northstar's...21 pages of that...And then no one will post thread gets dead and lost.

Originally posted by Rewmac
You can count on me.

Here is how it goes from there...We spit our stuff for almost 30 pages and things are solved. capt and jinz will say Logan everybody else with logic other than Wolvie will say Jean Paul. 10 plus pages till everything gets personal and then comes one of the mods (Digi) Says something...Everything is lightened for 3 pages then it continues...
While after 45 pages they admit Wolvie could loose, then they will start to fight for a particular skill or ability that Wolverine. And that ability is greater than Northstar's...21 pages of that...And then no one will post thread gets dead and lost.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
He was also moving at that speed the last time he and his sister fought the X-men when Rogue was keeping up with him through touch.

Actually that light speed reference was in regards to the speed of Cyclops' optic blasts, not Northstars speed. Basically, in a nutshell, what was said was "Cyclops' blasts move at the speed of light but the servos in his visor move much, much slower" but some people misinterpreted what was said and read what they wanted to.

Anyway... Northstar wins.

Originally posted by shksprtx
BTW, doesn't current Northstar have the ability to generate light independently of Aurora? I had read that somewhere, but wasn't sure if it was true or not.

yes, thanks to the Hand upgrading him.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
How long ago? Northstar hasn't always been lightspeed.

No he has, but couldn't do it due to durability issues

Originally posted by shksprtx
Agreed. Until his recent upgrade, QS's max speed was supposed to be around mach 1-2, whereas Northstar's pre-upgrade SAFE speed was about mach 10.

Pre-upgrade Northstar was running mach 18.7 with ease, as well as flying escape velocity with ease

Originally posted by shksprtx
He apparently got some recent upgrades from The Hand. Or something like that.

But he was always theoretically capable of near-lightspeed.

Two upgrades one from the Hand, one from the Children of the Vault

I like Northstar cuz hes a homo like me, I think he should hook up with Ultamate Colossus


I have a suspicion though that Wolverine is still in the closet...why he always so frustrated all the damn time ?


And dont EVEN GET ME STARTED ON BATMAN AND ROBIN !!!!

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
I think he should hook up with Ultamate Colossus

He did or are, I can't remember

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He did or are, I can't remember

He is.

Originally posted by Rewmac
He already did it...Logan couldn't react. And Northstar's abilities and trainign enable him to hurt Logan.

Now capt is going to come in and will say Wolverine's reflexes work on or over Northstar's speed.

Logan's agility and reflexes can see Jean.

Jinzin will try to back that up and will say that Wolverine once in a while cought a speedster...

Then we have a debate against them...

And they keep forgetting the unwritten rules, that every character to their best ability usage and no PIS...

So then Northstar.





That's a wee bit unneccesary.

You ARE of course aware I assume that people slower and on the same speed level as Wolverine have plucked northstar out of the air or beat him down right?

Meh I really could care less here who wins.

Northstar will do to Wolverine what he did to Sabretooth. Speed kills.

lighspeed punch to logans head=a decintigrated hand

rewmac as always talks out his ass.


I don't think wolverine wins nor would I say his reflex are at or over north star level, but thanks for being an asswhole rewmac.


oh by the way your still an idiot and bias.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
I like Northstar cuz hes a homo like me, I think he should hook up with Ultamate Colossus


I have a suspicion though that Wolverine is still in the closet...why he always so frustrated all the damn time ?


And dont EVEN GET ME STARTED ON BATMAN AND ROBIN !!!!

Yeah and Sam and Frodo from LOTR were supposed to be gay as well.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
I have a suspicion though that Wolverine is still in the closet...why he always so frustrated all the damn time ? Cause he's all kinds of messed up in the head.... But no, looking at his long list of women I'd say that Wolverine is pretty hetero... well ugly hetero cause it is Wolverine...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Cause he's all kinds of messed up in the head.... But no, looking at his long list of women I'd say that Wolverine is pretty hetero... well ugly hetero cause it is Wolverine... It's all a Facade my friend...

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah and Sam and Frodo from LOTR were supposed to be gay as well. Hell, I thought Sam was married.

It's broke back mountain meets LOTR

Originally posted by capt it up
rewmac as always talks out his ass.


I don't think wolverine wins nor would I say his reflex are at or over north star level, but thanks for being an asswhole rewmac.


oh by the way your still an idiot and bias. crylaugh

Only because I wrote down what I've written. If so why did you even come to this thread if you don't care.

You pity personal insult pop off me...

And I never talked about my ass...313

Originally posted by G-Mafia
Hell, I thought Sam was married.

Originally posted by steverules
It's broke back mountain meets LOTR

The whole point is that Sam and Frodo are not gay, but people who think everything is motivated by sex think they are. The whole point is that they are really good friends.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Cause he's all kinds of messed up in the head.... But no, looking at his long list of women I'd say that Wolverine is pretty hetero... well ugly hetero cause it is Wolverine... Yeah he has macked down Black Widow several times even though she is a ****

Originally posted by norrinradd43
Yeah he has macked down Black Widow several times even though she is a hoe

Originally posted by norrinradd43
Yeah he has macked down Black Widow several times even though she is a ****

The Black Widow is like a daughter to him...

Originally posted by norrinradd43
Yeah he has macked down Black Widow several times even though she is a ****

It's ho.

Hoe is a tool.

he still got with her...check out uncanny 268...its strongly implied its notthe first time either

New x-men annual also implies that he and Domino did it.

probably so, she is his type

Originally posted by norrinradd43
he still got with her...check out uncanny 268...its strongly implied its notthe first time either

...

What?

He didn't "get" with her. She was hurt, he bandaged her up, she called him "little uncle" and they hugged each other. There wasn't even a vague suggestion of a sexual relationship between them.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
...

What?

He didn't "get" with her. She was hurt, he bandaged her up, she called him "little uncle" and they hugged each other. There wasn't even a vague suggestion of a sexual relationship between them.

your right...
must everything be sexual geeeeeez

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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What?

He didn't "get" with her. She was hurt, he bandaged her up, she called him "little uncle" and they hugged each other. There wasn't even a vague suggestion of a sexual relationship between them.

I have this on hand for the Jubilee respect thread:

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2881/hruxm268pg12in3.jpg

The page in question. In the Jubilee respect thread I pointed out the thing with "little uncle"

The only way Jubilee would know "What's this little uncle she keep calling him." would be if she knew Russian.. or the writer was lazy and didn't know that little uncle in Russian doesn't sound anything like little Russian in English.

Sooooo... I was right as per usual?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Sooooo... I was right as per usual? Well the only hinting at anything sexual was from Jubilee thinking they were. Though her jealousy is abandonment driven and not sexual.

But basically yeah. Black widow was hurt, but she wasn't bandaged. and she refers to him as Little uncle.

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Why isn't anyone talking about who would win in a fight; Northstar or Wolverine?

Originally posted by Soljer
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Why isn't anyone talking about who would win in a fight; Northstar or Wolverine?

Because Northstar would win.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Because Northstar would win.


Co-signage. Sabretooth asked Northstar for a toothpick, so Northstar rammed his face into a tree.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Because Northstar would win. And we're out of Wolverine fanboys. I'll have to go to the fanboy store to see if they have any instock.

You need fanboys to inflate a thread to monstrous proportions.

Originally posted by The Fake Macoy
Northstar will do to Wolverine what he did to Sabretooth. Speed kills.

Attack Sabretooth from behind after Sabretooth's been fighting Juggy for a night, and been blasted by Gambit in his face?


pretty sure that's not allowed on KMC.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And we're out of Wolverine fanboys. I'll have to go to the fanboy store to see if they have any instock.

You need fanboys to inflate a thread to monstrous proportions.
Out of Wolverine fanboys thought the hordes of Wolverine fanboys were always in abundance ruining the character and making marvel cater to them.

Meh! a non PIS- Northstar is far to fast for Sabertooth and thanks to the Hand and the Children of the Vault has extra goodies.

Wolverine wins because he's Wolverine, dammit.

Originally posted by batdude123
Wolverine wins because he's Wolverine, dammit.

Co-signed.

His superior reaction speed will allow him to dominate.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Meh! a non PIS- Northstar is far to fast for Sabertooth and thanks to the Hand and the Children of the Vault has extra goodies. Too fast for sabretooth but not the wrecker or sasquatch? gotcha.

Originally posted by jinzin
Too fast for sabretooth but not the wrecker or sasquatch? gotcha.




The Wrecking Crew was augmented by a dimension making them stronger than usual , and Sasquatch is a genius who has been on Northstar's team for years and years he knows how he operates and the fact he is powered by a Great Beast ie. Getting a power boost as he was pissed off. So yes their reflexes were/are higher than Sabertooth.

Sorry double post

Originally posted by King_Mungi
The Wrecking Crew was augmented by a dimension making them stronger than usual , and Sasquatch is a genius who has been on Northstar's team for years and years he knows how he operates and the fact he is powered by a Great Beast ie. Getting a power boost as he was pissed off. So yes their reflexes were/are higher than Sabertooth.

The Wrecking Crew's strong they must be faster.

Tanaraq equals fastfastfast!!!!

Originally posted by jinzin
The Wrecking Crew's strong they must be faster.

Tanaraq equals fastfastfast!!!!

Actually yeah, because later on Thunderball made comment the dimension super charged his brain ie. improving his bodily functions

and yes again, the Great Beasts are very fast even Tundra the walking land beast showed great speed and reflexes.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Actually yeah, because later on Thunderball made comment the dimension super charged his brain ie. improving his bodily functions

and yes again, the Great Beasts are very fast even Tundra the walking land beast showed great speed and reflexes.

having decent speed and reflexes is not something I have a problem with..

having speed and reflexes that are on the level of being able to snatch and grab a speedster who's being painted in this thread as "untouchable" to the likes of people like sabretooth and wolverine.. that's downright stupid.

The wreckin crew has never been attributed speed on that kind of level before.. Hell even when wrecker did show up he was having problems with the speed and agility of the likes of nemesis and wild child/heart.. a tag team that logan SOLO'd....

The wrecking crew continuously has problems with people like iron fist, spidey, and cap but they're faster than someone who's faster than logan? NO.

Northstar should win with his power-set

Originally posted by jinzin
having decent speed and reflexes is not something I have a problem with..

having speed and reflexes that are on the level of being able to snatch and grab a speedster who's being painted in this thread as "untouchable" to the likes of people like sabretooth and wolverine.. that's downright stupid.

The wreckin crew has never been attributed speed on that kind of level before.. Hell even when wrecker did show up he was having problems with the speed and agility of the likes of nemesis and wild child/heart.. a tag team that logan SOLO'd....

The wrecking crew continuously has problems with people like iron fist, spidey, and cap but they're faster than someone who's faster than logan? NO.

Mungi are you gonna take that? *pushes him* Get in there and kick jinzin's a**. We cant have Wolverine beating Northstar.

Originally posted by jinzin
having decent speed and reflexes is not something I have a problem with..

having speed and reflexes that are on the level of being able to snatch and grab a speedster who's being painted in this thread as "untouchable" to the likes of people like sabretooth and wolverine.. that's downright stupid.

The wreckin crew has never been attributed speed on that kind of level before.. Hell even when wrecker did show up he was having problems with the speed and agility of the likes of nemesis and wild child/heart.. a tag team that logan SOLO'd....

The wrecking crew continuously has problems with people like iron fist, spidey, and cap but they're faster than someone who's faster than logan? NO.

He isn't untouchable , and of course neither of the times Wrecker/Sasquatch caught or tagged him was not at his top speed. Could they if he was going full tilt? Doubtful.

This time they were upgraded from that wacky dimension and even made Thunderball go loopy from the power. No he didn't, he hit Nemesis once who has taken harder shots then that and was still fine, but he did beat Wild Child before his upgrade and training from the "best in the world". Yeah I was suspect about that and mentioned it in the respect thread for them as they were tagging people far faster then them. It was just a way to introduce the new Wildheart and changed Nemesis.

And? hell Cap just beat Hulk in Fallen Son, and when Iron Fist and Cap fought the crew is was in their Danger Room in the Avengers Mansion set to Thor level.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He isn't untouchable , and of course neither of the times Wrecker/Sasquatch caught or tagged him was not at his top speed. Could they if he was going full tilt? Doubtful.

This time they were upgraded from that wacky dimension and even made Thunderball go loopy from the power. No he didn't, he hit Nemesis once who has taken harder shots then that and was still fine, but he did beat Wild Child before his upgrade and training from the "best in the world". Yeah I was suspect about that and mentioned it in the respect thread for them as they were tagging people far faster then them. It was just a way to introduce the new Wildheart and changed Nemesis.

And? hell Cap just beat Hulk in Fallen Son, and when Iron Fist and Cap fought the crew is was in their Danger Room in the Avengers Mansion set to Thor level.

*pumps his fast* Get in there!!!!

Originally posted by Creshosk
Cause he's all kinds of messed up in the head.... But no, looking at his long list of women I'd say that Wolverine is pretty hetero... well ugly hetero cause it is Wolverine...


Wolverine is not ugly tho, he's pretty sexy, just very hairy, aint nuttin wrong with that

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He isn't untouchable ,
"Northstar is fa too fast" seems to imply otherwise.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
and of course neither of the times Wrecker/Sasquatch caught or tagged him was not at his top speed. Could they if he was going full tilt? Doubtful.
not arguing otherwise.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
This time they were upgraded from that wacky dimension and even made Thunderball go loopy from the power. No he didn't, he hit Nemesis once who has taken harder shots then that and was still fine, but he did beat Wild Child before his upgrade and training from the "best in the world". Yeah I was suspect about that and mentioned it in the respect thread for them as they were tagging people far faster then them. It was just a way to introduce the new Wildheart and changed Nemesis.
I don't care if you THINK it's suspect.. Wrecker has almost always had a problem with speedy opponents and good reflexes... but you made it look otherwise.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
And? hell Cap just beat Hulk in Fallen Son, and when Iron Fist and Cap fought the crew is was in their Danger Room in the Avengers Mansion set to Thor level. Yeah with spiderman's help in a battle that takes place out of context of any sort of story so all we see is an end result and only a PORTION of the means.

and uhhh no.. cap humiliated wrecker in avengers 277, and wrecker got tooled again in cap 413 though not directly by cap but by caps actions.

Iron fist did it by himself.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Mungi are you gonna take that? *pushes him* Get in there and kick jinzin's a**. We cant have Wolverine beating Northstar.

Nice to see you're still acting like a praddling **** as always... stick with what works for you I guess.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Wolverine is not ugly tho, he's pretty sexy, just very hairy, aint nuttin wrong with that

FO SHO.. he DOES get women like crazy after all.

Originally posted by jinzin
"Northstar is fa too fast" seems to imply otherwise.

He is just to fast and can deliver more damage in a short period of time compared to Sabertooth.

Originally posted by jinzin
I don't care if you THINK it's suspect.. Wrecker has almost always had a problem with speedy opponents and good reflexes... but you made it look otherwise.

Once again no, Wrecker GOT an upgrade from the dimension and that's why he could tag Northstar. He was upgraded from his normal powerset.

Originally posted by jinzin

Yeah with spiderman's help in a battle that takes place out of context of any sort of story so all we see is an end result and only a PORTION of the means.

and uhhh no.. cap humiliated wrecker in avengers 277, and wrecker got tooled again in cap 413 though not directly by cap but by caps actions.

Iron fist did it by himself.

Huh? we saw blows landed by Captain America and they were actually rocking Hulk. Also the fact of what happened in the battle it still was Cap and Spider-Man victorious and SM believed Cap could have done it himself.

Cap has schooled Namor, Professor Hulk, etc. Dude, Cap has a jobber aura and that's a fact. Also it was caps actions that schooled Hulk, so it's the same thing. You can't have it one way and then ignore another

When?

Originally posted by jinzin
Nice to see you're still acting like a praddling **** as always... stick with what works for you I guess.


Wow cant you take a joke?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He is just to fast and can deliver more damage in a short period of time compared to Sabertooth.



Once again no, Wrecker GOT an upgrade from the dimension and that's why he could tag Northstar. He was upgraded from his normal powerset.



Huh? we saw blows landed by Captain America and they were actually rocking Hulk. Also the fact of what happened in the battle it still was Cap and Spider-Man victorious and SM believed Cap could have done it himself.

Cap has schooled Namor, Professor Hulk, etc. Dude, Cap has a jobber aura and that's a fact. Also it was caps actions that schooled Hulk, so it's the same thing. You can't have it one way and then ignore another

When?


Kick his *** Mungi. Northstar! Northstar!

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He is just to fast and can deliver more damage in a short period of time compared to Sabertooth.

I agree to the more damage less time argument but there it is again. "he's just to fast" it paints him has untouchable and he isn't. Maybe I'm just misinterpreting.



Originally posted by King_Mungi
Once again no, Wrecker GOT an upgrade from the dimension and that's why he could tag Northstar. He was upgraded from his normal powerset. I understand that you're arguing for the upgrade but how was speed a clear cut attribute when he had trouble with Nem and WH in the same fight?



Originally posted by King_Mungi
Huh? we saw blows landed by Captain America and they were actually rocking Hulk. Also the fact of what happened in the battle it still was Cap and Spider-Man victorious and SM believed Cap could have done it himself.

Maybe he could have, again we have no contex to the fight, we don't even know which incarnation of hulk it was.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Cap has schooled Namor, Professor Hulk, etc. Dude, Cap has a jobber aura and that's a fact. Also it was caps actions that schooled Hulk, so it's the same thing. You can't have it one way and then ignore another

When?

Wait now you've got me confused. What am I ignoring?
And I believe it was in Iron Fists title. I'll look up the issue number for you when I get the chance.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Wow cant you take a joke?
from Wolvie haters? No.

Originally posted by jinzin
from Wolvie haters? No.

Because everyone who thinks Wolverine can lose must hate him.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Because everyone who thinks Wolverine can lose must hate him.

Not really, it's pretty much everyone who thinks wolverine loses consistently, even to opponents who are inferior. The same applies to characters like Hulk.

Originally posted by jinzin
I agree to the more damage less time argument but there it is again. "he's just to fast" it paints him has untouchable and he isn't. Maybe I'm just misinterpreting.

Misinterpretation, as earlier I even said he isn't untouchable but a non PIS Northstar before his multiple upgrades was hurting the likes of Hulk and Sasquatch all in a split second.


Originally posted by jinzin

I understand that you're arguing for the upgrade but how was speed a clear cut attribute when he had trouble with Nem and WH in the same fight?

Same thing when say Puck basically schooled Savage Hulk and even was dodging lasers. Steet level fighters do things by all accounts they shouldn't. Such as Hulk casually swats away Quicksilver, but people slower then him give him trouble.

Originally posted by jinzin

Maybe he could have, again we have no contex to the fight, we don't even know which incarnation of hulk it was.

Regardless what version it was, Cap was actually taking him on his own

Originally posted by jinzin

Wait now you've got me confused. What am I ignoring?
And I believe it was in Iron Fists title. I'll look up the issue number for you when I get the chance.

Basically Cap has schooled basically every class 100 character, even though majority are faster then then. He makes everyone look bad, even against people he shouldn't at all. Deathstroke is a DC equilvilant of a jobber aura.

It's cool, I trust you. However, even Iron Fist has ko'ed Hercules with one blow before.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Because everyone who thinks Wolverine can lose must hate him.
no alf is an admitted wolverine hater............

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Because everyone who thinks Wolverine can lose must hate him.

Not really, but when you make a thread to try and neglect that he's a class 7 fighter, bias against the character is pretty clearly evident.

Originally posted by capt it up
no alf is an admitted wolverine hater............ What episode is this?

I don't remember Alf ever even talking about Wolverine...

He's a funny furry alien, not a furry Canadian hater.

Originally posted by jinzin
from Wolvie haters? No.

In all honesty I dont hate Wolverine. I just hate the fanboys. I really cant see how Wolverine is going to beat Northstar. In all fairness you do usually make good arguments for example I think Wolverine would kill Thor without his hammer....maybe even with it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Wolverine would kill Thor without his hammer....maybe even with it.

and its comments like that that drive true wolverine fans AND wolverine haters insane . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
and its comments like that that drive true wolverine fans AND wolverine haters insane . . .

Thor isnt that fast you know.....Thor isnt even bulletproof.