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Photon Genis
Sentry

vs

Silver Surfer
Stardust
Firelord


How does this go?

I'm with the heralds I have a hard time seeing them defeat Stardust and Current SS and Firelord are pretty badass.

Team 2...Surfer recently became very powerful. Photon kinda never was on his level...But Stardust and Firelord could take Photon. And SS could wipe Sentry.

Photon >>> Surfer. Surfer has never destroyed multiple planets in a fight, or owned the Grandmaster, or destroyed the whole universe. Also, just to cement Photon being far superior to Surfer, Radioactive Man, who has gone toe-to-toe with Thor whose on par/slightly above Surfer has said Photon's power is far beyond his comprehension. Sentry is also superior to Surfer.

Team 2 ftw

Originally posted by Photon009
Photon >>> Surfer. Surfer has never destroyed multiple planets in a fight, or owned the Grandmaster, or destroyed the whole universe. Also, just to cement Photon being far superior to Surfer, Radioactive Man, who has gone toe-to-toe with Thor whose on par/slightly above Surfer has said Photon's power is far beyond his comprehension. Sentry is also superior to Surfer. Power Cosmic >> Photon

Originally posted by Photon009
Photon >>> Surfer. Surfer has never destroyed multiple planets in a fight, or owned the Grandmaster, or destroyed the whole universe. Sentry is also superior to Surfer.

No never has but can.

wasn't that a pretty ****ed up version of Genis doing that?

Sentry superior to surfer???

Surfer>>Sentry

Originally posted by Photon009
Photon Genis
Sentry

vs

Silver Surfer
Stardust
Firelord


How does this go?

Kril/Radd FTW

Surfer >> Sentry >> Photon >> Firelord

Not sure about Stardust, he is pure cosmic energy.

Originally posted by Rewmac
Power Cosmic >> Photon

Try and prove it. Your (dumb) opinion means nothing. I just proved Photon is superior to Surfer.

Has Surfer ever destroyed more than one planet at once? Nope. All he's done is destroyed one planet once with the help of Morg, and one (obviously small) planet recently against Ravenous, but Ravenous wasnt even fazed, just pissed.

Has Surfer ever owned an Elder of the Universe? Nope. The only time i can reall Surfer fighting an Elder of the Universe it was against the Runner, and Surfer got owned hard. And Grandmaster > Runner.

Thor's power isnt beyond R-Man's comprehension, and therefore Surfer's isnt either because Thor is slightly superior to Surfer. But Photon's power IS beyond R-Man's comprehension, R-Man admitted it himself.

Has Surfer ever had a universe-wide feat like Photon has, destroying the entire Universe? Nope.

As i said, Photon is far superior to Surfer until proven otherwise.



Yea? Prove it. Surfer's only destroyed a planet on two different occasions, once was a small planet against Ravenous, which was easily explainable that it was small since Ravenous was barely fazed, just pissed. And the other time, it was Morg AND Surfer that destroyed the planet. Not Surfer alone. There's no evidence showing that Surfer can destroy multiple planets like Photon did.

Originally posted by Rewmac
Surfer >> Sentry >> Photon >> Firelord

Not sure about Stardust, he is pure cosmic energy.


Wow. You're way off. Do you know anything about Photon or Sentry? Cause obviously not. Photon kicked Sentry's ass. And the hierarchy actually goes like this:

Photon >> Sentry >> Surfer >> Firelord >> Stardust

Originally posted by Photon009
Has Surfer ever destroyed more than one planet at once? Nope. All he's done is destroyed one planet once with the help of Morg, and one planet recently against Ravenous, but Ravenous wasnt even fazed, just pissed.
I'm pretty sure Surfer destroyed more than a planet when he created a black hole.
Originally posted by Photon009

Has Surfer ever owned an Elder of the Universe? Nope. The only time i can reall Surfer fighting an Elder of the Universe it was against the Runner, and Surfer got owned hard. And Grandmaster > Runner.
Actually, Surfer's owned Champion, Obliterator, Ego and MOST of the other Elders aside from Runner and Grandmaster.
Originally posted by Photon009

Thor's power isnt beyond R-Man's comprehension, and therefore Surfer's isnt either because Thor is slightly superior to Surfer. But Photon's power IS beyond R-Man's comprehension, R-Man admitted it himself.
Character statements don't really count for much. A compliment on your opponents power is pretty standard in comics.
Originally posted by Photon009

Has Surfer ever had a universe-wide feat like Photon has, destroying the entire Universe? Nope.
Actually, Surfer beat the Uni Lord(twice) and he IS a universe.
Originally posted by Photon009

As i said, Photon is far superior to Surfer until proven otherwise.
Not unless you provide something that proves Photon is superior. And as I've pointed out, Surfer has feats right on par with Photon.

Originally posted by Photon009

Yea? Prove it. Surfer's only destroyed a planet on two different occasions, once was a small planet against Ravenous, which was easily explainable that it was small since Ravenous was barely fazed, just pissed. And the other time, it was Morg AND Surfer that destroyed the planet. Not Surfer alone. There's no evidence showing that Surfer can destroy multiple planets like Photon did.
Again, BLACK HOLE. That's a bit more impressive than destroying a couple of planets.

Originally posted by Photon009
Try and prove it. Your (dumb) opinion means nothing. I just proved Photon is superior to Surfer.

Has Surfer ever destroyed more than one planet at once? Nope. All he's done is destroyed one planet once with the help of Morg, and one (obviously small) planet recently against Ravenous, but Ravenous wasnt even fazed, just pissed.

Has Surfer ever owned an Elder of the Universe? Nope. The only time i can reall Surfer fighting an Elder of the Universe it was against the Runner, and Surfer got owned hard. And Grandmaster > Runner.

Thor's power isnt beyond R-Man's comprehension, and therefore Surfer's isnt either because Thor is slightly superior to Surfer. But Photon's power IS beyond R-Man's comprehension, R-Man admitted it himself.

Has Surfer ever had a universe-wide feat like Photon has, destroying the entire Universe? Nope.

As i said, Photon is far superior to Surfer until proven otherwise.



Yea? Prove it. Surfer's only destroyed a planet on two different occasions, once was a small planet against Ravenous, which was easily explainable that it was small since Ravenous was barely fazed, just pissed. And the other time, it was Morg AND Surfer that destroyed the planet. Not Surfer alone. There's no evidence showing that Surfer can destroy multiple planets like Photon did.

Actual you are saying it yourself, can he destroy multiply Planets in a fight yes, because he can destroy planets, BRB and Stardust destroyed one just by flying through it, didn't hurt Stardust and if there had been more Planets in the area they would have gotten smashed. Destroying a planet isn't that hard. But Surfer has created a black Hole is that good enough for you

In what to be precies are you putting Runner over Grandmaster: speed? durability? power output? overall? I'm interested, and he has beaten a lot of them Ego is one of them.

Surfer < Thor IMO

Originally posted by Photon009
Try and prove it. Your (dumb) opinion means nothing. I just proved Photon is superior to Surfer.

Has Surfer ever destroyed more than one planet at once? Nope. All he's done is destroyed one planet once with the help of Morg, and one (obviously small) planet recently against Ravenous, but Ravenous wasnt even fazed, just pissed.

Has Surfer ever owned an Elder of the Universe? Nope. The only time i can reall Surfer fighting an Elder of the Universe it was against the Runner, and Surfer got owned hard. And Grandmaster > Runner.

Thor's power isnt beyond R-Man's comprehension, and therefore Surfer's isnt either because Thor is slightly superior to Surfer. But Photon's power IS beyond R-Man's comprehension, R-Man admitted it himself.

Has Surfer ever had a universe-wide feat like Photon has, destroying the entire Universe? Nope.

As i said, Photon is far superior to Surfer until proven otherwise.



Yea? Prove it. Surfer's only destroyed a planet on two different occasions, once was a small planet against Ravenous, which was easily explainable that it was small since Ravenous was barely fazed, just pissed. And the other time, it was Morg AND Surfer that destroyed the planet. Not Surfer alone. There's no evidence showing that Surfer can destroy multiple planets like Photon did. Originally posted by Photon009
Wow. You're way off. Do you know anything about Photon or Sentry? Cause obviously not. Photon kicked Sentry's ass. And the hierarchy actually goes like this:

Photon >> Sentry >> Surfer >> Firelord >> Stardust crylaughcrylaugh

Thanks for the effort of personal attack...Here is the proof...

Originally posted by Ethereal
Okay, here it is...the first showings of upgraded Annihilation Surfer.

Annihilation Heralds of Galactus #02

Surfer vs Aegis and Tenebrous. Taking them both on.

http://i81.imagethrust.com/images/3svv/view-image/annihilation-heraldsofgalactus-2--031.html
http://i81.imagethrust.com/images/3svw/view-image/annihilation-heraldsofgalactus-2--032.html
http://i82.imagethrust.com/images/3svx/view-image/annihilation-heraldsofgalactus-2--033.html
http://i82.imagethrust.com/images/3svy/view-image/annihilation-heraldsofgalactus-2--034.html
http://i81.imagethrust.com/images/3svz/view-image/annihilation-heraldsofgalactus-2--035.html
http://i81.imagethrust.com/images/3svA/view-image/annihilation-heraldsofgalactus-2--036.html
http://i82.imagethrust.com/images/3svB/view-image/annihilation-heraldsofgalactus-2--037.html

Surfer, wrecked, channeling the power of the big crunch.

http://i82.imagethrust.com/images/3svC/view-image/annihilation-heraldsofgalactus-2--038-039.html

Defeats Aegis and Tenebrous.

http://i82.imagethrust.com/images/3svI/view-image/annihilation-heraldsofgalactus-2--040.html

Galactus states not even he could long withstand the powers Surfer used.

http://i81.imagethrust.com/images/3svJ/view-image/annihilation-heraldsofgalactus-2--041.html
http://i81.imagethrust.com/images/3svK/view-image/annihilation-heraldsofgalactus-2--042.html

Well I don't see Photon surviving the blast and the hit from Tenebrous, I doesn't see him surviving ore channeling the power of the big crunch either.

Originally posted by Priest
Speed
Travels a light-year in a moment
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/InfinityGauntlet4p35.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/InfinityGauntlet4p36.jpg
3) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/InfinityGauntlet4p37.jpg

Twist the very fabric of matter with his speed
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/ss_enslavers_06.jpg

Travel half million lightyears in few moments
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-006.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-007.jpg

Cross Dimentional Travel
He can go to any dimension he had ever been
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Thor_443-22.jpg

Opens a portal after defeated Inciters in other reality
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/X-men_Unlimited_13-35.jpg

Escapes from Soul Gem's pocket realm
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1988_008_21.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1988_008_22.jpg

Intangibility
Phase trough an wall of Alicia Masters apartment
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer1-13a.jpg

Phase trough another wall of Alicia Masters apartment
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-06a.jpg

Phase trough the glass of a ship
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Home_coming06.jpg

Phase trough an wall of the Baxter Building
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1996_123_10.jpg

Phase trough the wall and controls of a ship
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/ss_enslavers_43.jpg

Durability
Go into a blackhole
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-15.jpg

Does not feel a she-hulk's punch
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_036-03.jpg

Fly through mammoth vibranium walls like it was nothing
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1987_001_28.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1987_001_30.jpg
3) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1987_001_31.jpg
4) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1987_001_32.jpg

BlackBolt speak a word and it doesn't harm the Silver Surfer
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_060_19.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_060_20.jpg

Silver Surfer smiles after a planet fall
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-14.jpg

Falls from space in a planet and does not feel anything
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_036-11.jpg

Is thrown from space to moon by Midnight Sun and does not feel anything
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_060_12.jpg

Crazy feats
Recreate Beta-Ray-Bill with Odin
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-05.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-06.jpg
3) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-07.jpg
4) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-08.jpg
5) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-10.jpg

Removes a plague from thousand of bodies
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosPowUnlim_1996_004_27.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosPowUnlim_1996_004_28.jpg

Make a clone of himself, with the same powers
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_vol3_127-17.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_vol3_127-18.jpg

Evolves a planet billions of year
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-015b.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-016.jpg

Protects the Earth from planet-blackhole
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Star_Masters_2_014.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Star_Masters_2_016.jpg
3) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Star_Masters_2_017.jpg
4) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Star_Masters_2_018.jpg

Give a moment of ecstasy to each habitant of Earth
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_133_18.jpg

This is pretty cool...Makes metropolis back to its real size
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/SilvSurf_Superman_1997_001_45.jpg

Rogue pass out when she touches the Surfer
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/X-men_Unlimited_13-24.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/X-men_Unlimited_13-26.jpg

Ill add more later

Originally posted by Soljer
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/4758/annihilationsilversurfer1015yk0.jpg

I dunno if anyone'd posted that one yet. Another "Lightyears in seconds" feat.

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/7214/annihilationsilversurfer03page2324oh6.jpg

Destroying an entire fleet in an instant. Comapre to Firelord's showings of troubling to destroy a single ship.

Originally posted by Priest
Some of these scans may have been posted before.
All these feats are credited to this website..
http://www.geocities.com/bruno_nojunk/type-fights-16.html
enjoy.
FIGHTS
Silver Surfer vs Qusar:
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Quasar-50-34.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Quasar-50-35.jpg
3) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Quasar-50-36.jpg
4) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Quasar-50-37.jpg
5) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Quasar-50-38.jpg
6) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Quasar-50-39.jpg

Surfer vs Firelord
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1989_019_16.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1989_019_17.jpg
3) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1989_019_18.jpg
4) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1989_019_19.jpg
5) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1989_019_20.jpg
6) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1989_019_21.jpg
7) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1989_019_22.jpg

Surfer vs Cable (the end of the fight)
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CableDeadpool_10-2005-15.jpg

Surfer vs RedShift
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-08.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-09.jpg
3) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-10.jpg
4) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-11.jpg
5) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-12.jpg
6) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-13.jpg
7) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-14.jpg
8) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-15.jpg
9) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-17.jpg
10) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-18.jpg
11) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-19.jpg

Surfer vs Champion
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1987_001_10.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1987_001_11.jpg
3) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1987_001_12.jpg
4) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1987_001_13.jpg
5) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1987_001_14.jpg
6) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1987_001_15.jpg

Surfer vs Morg
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Annual_07_22.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Annual_07_23.jpg
3) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Annual_07_24.jpg
4) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Annual_07_25.jpg
5) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Annual_07_26.jpg
6) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Annual_07_27.jpg
7) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Annual_07_28.jpg
8) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Annual_07_29.jpg
9) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Annual_07_30-31.jpg
10) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Annual_07_32.jpg

Surfer vs Wonderman
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_085_17.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_085_18.jpg

Surfer vs Orion
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Darkseid_vs_Galactus32.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Darkseid_vs_Galactus33.jpg
3) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Darkseid_vs_Galactus37.jpg

Surfer Vs FireLord (again)
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_146_12.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_146_13.jpg
3) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_146_14.jpg
4) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_146_15.jpg
5) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_146_16.jpg
6) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_146_17.jpg
7) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_146_18.jpg

Surfer Vs Cosmic powered Doombot
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-015.jpg

Surfer vs Hulk
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_15.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_16.jpg
3) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_17.jpg
4) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_18.jpg
5) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_19.jpg
6) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_20.jpg
7) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_21.jpg
8) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_26.jpg
9) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_27.jpg
10) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_28.jpg

Energy Manipulation
Absorb and control the energy of OA central battery
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GL_SS_UA_-_0046.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GL_SS_UA_-_0047.jpg
3) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GL_SS_UA_-_0048.jpg

Internal Attack
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Cosmic_Powers_Unlimited_03_21.jpg

Stabilize a sun that was dying
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-019a.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-020.jpg

Turns off Space Ship with a thought
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/ss_enslavers_42.jpg

Matter Manipulation
Creates hundreds of spaceships
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/ss_enslavers_77.jpg

Rebuilds a city
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/ss_enslavers_74.jpg

Creates a House
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1987_002_08.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1987_002_09.jpg

Reform the Obliterator weapons to harmless ones
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1987_005_21.jpg

Transform Nebulosa's armor, locking her
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1995_110_20.jpg

Change his own and Alicia Master's clothes and look with a single tought
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_129_11.jpg

Transmutes a napkins dispenser to a gold bar
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_129_16.jpg

Transmutes a treasure to sand
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_097_18.jpg

Transmute sand to a statue of himself
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_097_22.jpg

Shapeshift to a intergalactic soldier to scare Impossible Man
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1990_033_22.jpg

Removes his silver skin
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_139p06.jpg

its a mistake to try and downplay surfer he is possibly the strongest Herald galactus has ever had.

Glad you posted them Rewmac been some time since I last visited his respect thread.

Originally posted by Priest
Credit goes to this :http://www.geocities.com/bruno_nojunk/
Surfer can create force fields
Create a force field that easily stand Savage Hulk blows:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_26.jpg

Create with a thought a spherical force field to hold an Woman
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_134p08.jpg

Holds Armageddon in a force field
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/IncredibleHulk464p21.jpg

Create a force field to protect a military base from a Firelord Blast
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_146_12.jpg

Freeze Shia'r ships with a thought
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/X-men_Unlimited_13-14.jpg

Create a force field to protect a ship from free fall
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1995_110_16.jpg

Protects himself with a shield
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_095_15.jpg

Senses
Feel Thanos extinguish half universe population
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/InfinityGauntlet1p27.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/InfinityGauntlet1p28.jpg
3) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/InfinityGauntlet1p35.jpg
4) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/InfinityGauntlet1p36.jpg

He can see past, present and future
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_138_06.jpg

Realizes with residual energy that Beta Ray Bill warped to Asgard
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosPowUnlim_1996_004_09.jpg

Feel that something is going to menace Earth
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Fantastic_Four_v3_003-05.jpg

Claims that he can listen to the sound of a meteorite a thousand lightyears away
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Incredible_Hulk_415-02.jpg

Claims that can listen the whisper of a butterfly's wing a galaxy away
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/MCP-069-27.jpg

Putting Gladiator in his place..(Yes he would do the same thing to SuperMan)
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer5-18a.jpg

Claims to be able to trace a single dust mote across the space ways
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/IncredibleHulk464p07.jpg

See Thanos a light year far
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/InfinityGauntlet3p36a.jpg

Feel (in vacuum) that something is moving behind him
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/MCP-069-29.jpg

He see the whole electromagnetic spectrum looking for Thanos
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_037-02.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_037-03.jpg

Analyzes Hulk energies
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_15.jpg

Feel many beings locked in a ship
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosPowUnlim_1996_004_11.jpg

He can see the most high frequencies of energy to retrace the path of space pirates
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1988_011_11.jpg

Detect that Quasar is telling the truth by his vital signs
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Star_Masters_1_019.jpg

Telepathy
Stand a telepathic bolt of Moodragon with the Soul Gem
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Infinity_Crusade03-34.jpg

Defeats a psonic entity with telepathic bolt
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_minus1_p17.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_minus1_p18.jpg
3) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_minus1_p21.jpg
4) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_minus1_p22.jpg

Talks to Nova across the Universe
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/SS_14.jpg

Access telepathically the memories of a living ship
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/MCP-069-32.jpg

Show telepathically his memories of cosmos to a cop
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_128_11.jpg

Read the thoughts of an old woman and make holograms of it
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_134p15.jpg

Show telepathically his memories to a homeless man
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_vol3_127-03.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_vol3_127-04.jpg

Telekinesis
Transports Avengers' Quinjet in superspeed trough space, also giving life support
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/wcaa02-08.jpg

Transports X-men's ship trough Hyperspace, also giving life support
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/X-men_Unlimited_13-27.jpg

Deliver a woman back to earth in a cocoon of quantum energy
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_minus1_p23.jpg

Transports lots of beings in a energy net across the cosmos
1) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-020b.jpg
2) http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-021.jpg

Transports hundreds of being in a energy tail
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/0Maximum_Security18.jpg

Make a box fly
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer1-06.jpg

Here was your proof Photon...And please if you think only high beings can defeat Photon/Genis, and kind of fanboyish style. Don't do any damage to one of my favourite character please.

Team 1

Team 1 in a stomp.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5599/genisxq3.th.jpg

"He is Cosmically Aware .. a Universal ... Omniversal telepath"


Millions of years before Team 2 makes a move, Genis knows it.

Genis solos team 2 imo, (if he's not holding back)

Team Surfer FTW.

Originally posted by janus77
Team Surfer FTW.

If you blended team 2 into one being, they still wouldn't be able to destroy a Universe,

Photon can do that on his own.

Originally posted by Mr Master
If you blended team 2 into one being, they still wouldn't be able to destroy a Universe,

Photon can do that on his own.
just 'cos I am a little pedantic, yes they could.
open enough black holes at various points in the universe and matter would be drawn in at such a rate that it would collapse the universe faster than the big bang aftermath is still expanding it... causing the eventual end of the universe.
(but that's ofcourse, not what you were meaning)

umm, how fast can photon end the universe, Surfer could easily dump photon in the microverse, if he gets to photon before the universe ends.

Captain Marvel V4 #10
Rick Jones admits that Surfer can "take down Genis without a thought"
sorry dont have the scan to this but i have the actual comic.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Team 1 in a stomp.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5599/genisxq3.th.jpg

"He is Cosmically Aware .. a Universal ... Omniversal telepath"


Millions of years before Team 2 makes a move, Genis knows it.

Genis solos team 2 imo, (if he's not holding back) When exactly has he ever shown this sort of power?

Plus, surprised nobody showed Surfer annihilating a solar system and more, yet...

I wanna see where Genis destroyed the Universe under his own power.
Funny how that Universe destroying power didn't save him from Zemo..

Originally posted by Mr Master
Team 1 in a stomp.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5599/genisxq3.th.jpg

"He is Cosmically Aware .. a Universal ... Omniversal telepath"


Millions of years before Team 2 makes a move, Genis knows it.

Genis solos team 2 imo, (if he's not holding back)
that is a nice feat and all, but wat make you think that Genis would be allowed to mediate before Surfer and StarDust attacks him?
I know that genis is cosmically aware and all, but i would like to see him use his Cosmic Awareness on the fly during battle..I have a lot of Captain Marvel Book's but i never seen him do that..
Also Surfer is no slouch when it comes down to having Cosmic awereness, he may not have Omniversal awerness, but he has universal , and that is all he needs for this fight.

Originally posted by Skeets
I wanna see where Genis destroyed the Universe under his own power.
Funny how that Universe destroying power didn't save him from Zemo.. Atlas...

Originally posted by janus77
just 'cos I am a little pedantic, yes they could.
open enough black holes at various points in the universe and matter would be drawn in at such a rate that it would collapse the universe faster than the big bang aftermath is still expanding it... causing the eventual end of the universe.

I disagree,

there are Balck Holes everywhere,
even in our Galaxy there are stellar black holes all over,
they're harmless once a little bit of distance builds between themselves and matter & energy.


These Three, could Never destroy the Universe.

Originally posted by janus77
(but that's ofcourse, not what you were meaning)

Not at all.

Originally posted by janus77
umm, how fast can photon end the universe, Surfer could easily dump photon in the microverse, if he gets to photon before the universe ends.

As fast as Entropy takes.

On Panel it seemed instantaneous.

Originally posted by Skeets

Funny how that Universe destroying power didn't save him from Zemo..
Good point i was thinking the same

Originally posted by Priest
Captain Marvel V4 #10
Rick Jones admits that Surfer can "take down Genis without a thought"
sorry dont have the scan to this but i have the actual comic.

He was aggravating Genis.

Two issues later,

Genis erased the Multiverse with Entropy.

On Panel it was alluded that Genis did most of the work.

In re-creating the Multiverse, Entropy seemed to be the main factor.

Originally posted by Mr Master
He was aggravating Genis.

Two issues later,

Genis erased the Multiverse with Entropy.

On Panel it was alluded that Genis did most of the work.

In re-creating the Multiverse, Entropy seemed to be the main factor.
Yeah,so Zemo can destroy 2 universes eh?
Edit:make that 2 MULTIVERSES!

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
When exactly has he ever shown this sort of power?

Now you wanna take it away from him?

This is a versus forum,

Omniversal Awareness is in his powerset.

Originally posted by Priest
that is a nice feat and all, but wat make you think that Genis would be allowed to mediate before Surfer and StarDust attacks him?

While Cosmically Aware, Genis knows everything that will take place before it does.

It's not a matter of mediating, he already knows, like he knows his name.

Originally posted by Priest
I know that genis is cosmically aware and all, but i would like to see him use his Cosmic Awareness on the fly during battle..I have a lot of Captain Marvel Book's but i never seen him do that..

How many scans you want?

Originally posted by Priest
Also Surfer is no slouch when it comes down to having Cosmic awereness, he may not have Omniversal awerness, but he has universal , and that is all he needs for this fight.

From what I know, Surfer does not have Universal Awareness.

I'll be needing proof to buy that.


I know Surfer was able to peer into the recent Past, but limited and ever so briefly,

he also had to concentrate hard.

So Genis knew Zemo was gonna tap that ass?

Originally posted by Skeets
I wanna see where Genis destroyed the Universe under his own power.
Funny how that Universe destroying power didn't save him from Zemo..

So when I post the scans in about 5 minutes,

showing Genis allowing Zemo to do what must be done, for the sake of Reality across creation,

what then?

Originally posted by Skeets
Yeah,so Zemo can destroy 2 universes eh?
Edit:make that 2 MULTIVERSES!

lmfao

But he can destroy the Multiverse!

Originally posted by Skeets
So Genis knew Zemo was gonna tap that ass?

And allowed it too.

To save the future of Marvel Universe, which was in Genis' destiny to wipe out completely.

So, Photon knew that he was going to get his ass beat by Atlas as well?
Guess that puts an end to the "cheap shot"...

Originally posted by Mr Master
And allowed it too.

To save the future of Marvel Universe, which was in Genis' destiny to wipe out completely.
Under his own power?
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
So, Photon knew that he was going to get his ass beat by Atlas as well?
Guess that puts an end to the "cheap shot"...
Atlas can destroy the universe!

Originally posted by Skeets
But he can destroy the Multiverse!

Entropy and Genis together destroyed the Multiverse.

And though the arc alludes to Genis doing the killing,

I prefer to think, it was a half and half, job.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Entropy and Genis together destroyed the Multiverse.

And though the arc alludes to Genis doing the killing,

I prefer to think, it was a half and half, job. Or a 99.99%, and a .01% job?

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
So, Photon knew that he was going to get his ass beat by Atlas as well?
Guess that puts an end to the "cheap shot"...

Are you talking about the HOM tie in?

When Genis allows himself to be shut down,

by using a "Bioagent" that Slows Down his Metabolic rate to the point of Catatonia.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Or a 99.99%, and a .01% job?

Based on the panel evidence then,

Genis has 99.99% credit for killing Eternity.

Entropy has 99.99% credit for Re-creating Eternity.

Originally posted by Skeets
Under his own power?

Who else's?

Originally posted by Skeets
Atlas can destroy the universe!

I'm just ****ing wit you,I do wanna see the scans.
Do me a favor and just post the scans nothing else,I wanna come up with my own conclusion...

Originally posted by Mr Master
Are you talking about the HOM tie in?

When Genis allows himself to be shut down,

by using a "Bioagent" that Slows Down his Metabolic rate to the point of Catatonia. F*ck if I know the context...
I don't even know what issue number it is, all I know is that Atlas tapped dat ass!
But, judging by Photon's awareness, even though it wasn't working at the time, it wasn't a cheap shot...

Originally posted by Mr Master
While Cosmically Aware, Genis knows everything that will take place before it does.It's not a matter of mediating, he already knows, like he knows his name.

So, he knew that he coulden't over power Sentry?
Did he also know that he would loose to Zemo?
I having doubts that Genis can know wat his opponents will throw before he gets clobbered.


Originally posted by Mr Master
How many scans you want?
Yea if u have scans of opponents that genis fought that are at Silver Surfers caliber of speed and power.


Originally posted by Mr Master
From what I know, Surfer does not have Universal Awareness.
I'll be needing proof to buy that.
I know Surfer was able to peer into the recent Past, but limited and ever so briefly,
he also had to concentrate hard.
It was never stated by narration that he has universal awareness.
But i can only think of one instance that the has it, in the IG saga, when he senced that half the universe population was dead..also he has many instances of having galaxy wise awerness, i would have to do some digging for those..
never the less, he wont need awareness on such a grand scale to fight photon.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
F*ck if I know the context...
I don't even know what issue number it is, all I know is that Atlas tapped dat ass!
But, judging by Photon's awareness, even though it wasn't working at the time, it wasn't a cheap shot...

Atlas didn't tap shit


Atlas was catching a beat down,

when Genis decided to help this Universe he had just blinked in and out of existence.


Genis ripping Time and Space around Atlas:

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7637/g1xj1.th.jpg





Jolsten could have killed Genis, through the pain receptor Rick Jones uses on Genis, a weakness that plagues Genis due to his connection to Rick.

Instead Genis comes up with the Bioagent plan:

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/614/g2ws1.th.jpg





Atlas NEVER had a chance against Genis, in fact, like I said before,

Genis is allowing all this:

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/1774/g3zk3.th.jpg
"I could stop him ... EASILY ..."

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6127/g4de2.th.jpg

Originally posted by Priest
So, he knew that he coulden't over power Sentry?

Sentry lost.

Genis was holding back too.

Originally posted by Priest
Did he also know that he would loose to Zemo?

He never lost, he let Zemo finish him, to prevent the obliteration of the Universe.

Have yall read these issues?

Yall keep saying Zemo defeated him, no such thing ever happened.

Originally posted by Priest
Yea if u have scans of opponents that genis fought that are at Silver Surfers caliber of speed and power.

Eternity,

but that's a bit too much right?

I can deliver the scans where Songbird sees him erasing every possible Future.

I also have him blinking the Universe in and out of existence, when his potential was accelerated by Wanda.

Originally posted by Priest
It was never stated by narration that he has universal awareness.
But i can only think of one instance that the has it, in the IG saga, when he senced that half the universe population was dead..

That's not Cosmic Awareness.

That's a limited rendition.

Cosmic Awareness, makes you one with everything,

knowing the Past, Present and Future of all things simultaneously.

Originally posted by Priest
also he has many instances of having galaxy wise awerness, i would have to do some digging for those..
never the less, he wont need awareness on such a grand scale to fight photon.

Photon curbstomps SS, I'm sorry.

I like SS, but Genis is uber folks.

Genis allowed himself to be beat by Zemo. Genis beat Sentry's ass all over the place, and destroyed multiple planets, all while holding back. And Sentry has owned Terrax easier than Surfer could ever dream of. Hell, Tyros (depowered Terrax) lasted pages upon pages against Surfer. Sentry put the real Terrax down in one page, easily. When Atlas beat Genis, it was because Genis was being controlled by Purple Man, who made him shut off his cosmic awareness. Genis even says later on that he wouldve seen Atlas' attack coming a mile away if his CA wasnt turned off. Genis' cosmic awareness is also so attuned that he sensed that the HoM universe was fake, and seemed to rip a hole right out of it, showing he was more powerful than HoM Scarlet Witch.

Rick Jones doesnt know jack shit about what Genis is actually capable of, that was clearly shown in the Walker arc, and even so, i dont remember Rick ever saying Surfer > Genis, i just remember Genis threatening Surfer and Surfer backing off. AND that was a much weaker, much more inexperienced version of Genis that's fighting here.

And Genis destroyed the multiverse. Entropy just brought him there. It was clearly shown and especially stated on-panel that Genis was the one that provided the energy to destroy the universe, which means he did it. He also did alot of the work recreating the universe as well. So it's more like Genis gets 99.99% credit for destroying the universe, and 50% credit for recreating it.

Also, as Mr Master pointed out, Genis is an omniversal telepath. He embarassed the Overmind in telepathy after breaking out of Purple Man's mind control, and the Overmind is so powerful he telepathically linked everyone on earth at the same time a few issues later. Surfer doesnt have anything against telepathy on that level.

And oh my god please dont say Surfer can dump Genis in the microverse. I saw someone say that and that's absurd. Genis uses access to the microverse by far better than anyone. That's his forte.

And you think Surfer creating a black hole is impressive? Dude, Genis was casually creating multiple black holes through not only space, but time, at the same time. Hell he accidentally sent Songbird to the future and the rest of the T-Bolts to the past. And all subconsciously on top of that.

And you're talking about being cheapshotted by Atlas, one of the strongest Marvel heroes to date, as if it's such a bad thing. You wanna bring up Surfer's bad showings? Karnak with a brick? Having a hard time with Spider-Man? Getting owned by Black Panther? Need i go on?

What Radioactive Man says actually does count for alot. I mean, the guy is a scientist, specializing in energy and everything, has fought Thor and Surfer level beings on multiple occasions and has done very well, and on top of all that, HE WAS STUDYING GENIS FOR WEEKS. And even though he's fought guys on Surfer's level of power before and done good, he still said Photon's power was beyond his comprehension. That counts for a lot.

And Rewmac, first off, im sorry for the personal attack. Sometimes i just get frustrated and i overreact and i apologize for that. But the feats in Surfer's respect thread, EVERYTHING there Genis could duplicate, and easier than Surfer did at that. And by the way, some of those things arent even worth mentioning...Rogue passing out from touching Surfer? Dude, Songbird who doesnt even absorb powers like Rogue touched Genis and it nearly gave her a heart attack, if Rogue touched Genis she'd probably explode.

Oh, and all these feats while he was Photon? There all while he was distracted, aka not able to show his true potential. And when you think about it, this is actually just Sentry and Genis vs Surfer and Firelord, cuz Stardust is made of energy, therefore his ass is getting dispersed all over the multiverse in the first second by Genis.

And just for the record, im not hating on Surfer or ranting about Genis. I like Surfer alot too, he's my 3rd favorite cosmic dude behind Photon and Firelord, he's just out of his league against Photon.

Genis >>> Surfer

And Genis and Sentry win.

Oh, and one more thing. What happenned the last time the Power Cosmic faced off against the Odinforce, aka Surfer vs Odin? Oh that's right, Surfer got owned in one casual backhand. Completely knocked the hell out. What happenned the last time Genis went up against the Odinforce, aka King Thor, Odin's equal? Genis embarassed his ass, took his shot laughing and dished out his own making KT scream out in pain and was down for the rest of the issue and the beginning of the next one. Yep yep.

Another thing i forgot to mention...in a Fantastic Four arc against Abraxas, Surfer was killed, while Genis (and Quasar) were doing just fine. Genis has also brought back the dead more times than i can remember, something i dont remember Surfer ever doing. Hell, as Legacy he even brought Surfer back from near death.

And Thanos, who has massive respect for Surfer's power, has also heavily alluded to Genis being more powerful and more resourceful than Surfer.

Originally posted by Skeets
Yeah,so Zemo can destroy 2 universes eh?
Edit:make that 2 MULTIVERSES! More,more and more...Originally posted by Skeets
So Genis knew Zemo was gonna tap that ass? 313 Give it to him baby...Aha-aha...Originally posted by Mr Master
While Cosmically Aware, Genis knows everything that will take place before it does.

It's not a matter of mediating, he already knows, like he knows his name.



How many scans you want?



From what I know, Surfer does not have Universal Awareness.

I'll be needing proof to buy that.


I know Surfer was able to peer into the recent Past, but limited and ever so briefly,

he also had to concentrate hard. It's funny because if Genis has soooo much power of his own why was his dumped those times? If he can destroy the universe that means he is somewhere on Galactus level or higher...And that is just dumb.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Sentry lost.

Genis was holding back too.



He never lost, he let Zemo finish him, to prevent the obliteration of the Universe.

Have yall read these issues?

Yall keep saying Zemo defeated him, no such thing ever happened.



Eternity,

but that's a bit too much right?

I can deliver the scans where Songbird sees him erasing every possible Future.

I also have him blinking the Universe in and out of existence, when his potential was accelerated by Wanda.



That's not Cosmic Awareness.

That's a limited rendition.

Cosmic Awareness, makes you one with everything,

knowing the Past, Present and Future of all things simultaneously.



Photon curbstomps SS, I'm sorry.

I like SS, but Genis is uber folks. Good point. But he was attacked a lot of times without knowing what's going to happen. Even he can't know everything. Surfer just popps out of nothing and PC blasts him.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Based on the panel evidence then,

Genis has 99.99% credit for killing Eternity.

Entropy has 99.99% credit for Re-creating Eternity. When was this anyway along with the multiverse destruction...

Photon > Surfer. I like Surfer, but he's in over his head against Photon. I proved that.

Originally posted by Rewmac
More,more and more...

Give it to him baby...Aha-aha...

I think once I started bustin out the Proof, those jokes were shut down.


You want the Zemo scans?

I figured after proving that Atlas was getting stomped,
Genis didn't want to hurt KT, heck KT was in awe of Genis

I figured yall wouldn't need more, but if you do, holla.

Originally posted by Rewmac
It's funny because if Genis has soooo much power of his own why was his dumped those times?

I don't know what this means.

Originally posted by Rewmac
If he can destroy the universe that means he is somewhere on Galactus level or higher...And that is just dumb.

It may be "dumb" to you, but it is what it is.

Genis and Entropy destroyed the Multiverse.

Genis on his own has destroyed the Universe and all it's possible futures in a further timeline.

Genis has blinked the Universe in and out of existence, (when his potential accelerated during HOM)


Those are the big feats.

His Omniversal Awareness, completes his "Godhood"





Someone said Rick Jones said, Surfer can beat Genis,

interesting, because Rick Jones compares Genis to "God" ....

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3328/c7mz4.th.jpg

Originally posted by Rewmac
But he was attacked a lot of times without knowing what's going to happen.

Not once he mastered his Cosmic Awareness.

Originally posted by Rewmac
Even he can't know everything. Surfer just popps out of nothing and PC blasts him.

But Genis does know everything, that's what made him go insane initially.

Imagine knowing every bad thing that will happen to every good person in Creation, this was too much to bare for him, because he could not save everyone at once.

Genis is Omniscient but not Omnipresent.


http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9489/c4pw3.th.jpg
"I see ALL Creation"

Originally posted by Rewmac
When was this anyway along with the multiverse destruction...

That is the Multiverse destruction incident.


Entropy asked Captain Marvel to help him kill Eternity in #5:



The Multiversal Big Bang (Entropy) asks Genis for help,

in Killing the Totality of Eternity (the Multiverse)

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/6728/c10nw1.th.jpg

"Entropy at Your Service"

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/2847/c11zh4.th.jpg

"I could ... use Your Help"






On the Backside of the Front Cover next issue #6:



"ENTROPY is the Son of,

Eternity, the Cosmic Being whose Essence Encompasses the ENTIRETY of the MULTIVERSE ...

Entropy has enlisted Captain Marvel in a Quest to Destroy His Father,

... Eternity and End All Creation"

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1967/cm1ls8.th.jpg





This may not be solid enough, since it's the "Backside of the Front Cover"


So Now the On Panel Proof:


NEXT POST ...

ON PANEL:



The Microverse is IN an entirely separate Universe Outside the 616 Reality/Universe:

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1628/c6md2.th.jpg

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/1750/c5ti9.th.jpg



More Proof:



The MAKERS took a UNIVERSE and RE-CREATED it,

the Micro-verse (which they ALSO Created) is PART of this Universe.


http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/6002/m2sr6.th.jpg
"They have taken the FABRIC of the COSMOS, and WOVEN it ANEW"

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/9350/m3qd4.th.jpg



The MAKERS brought Souls from all the UniverseS of the MUTLI-VERSE
into this UNIVERSE they RE-CREATED, to give it meaning:

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/6442/m4wt8.th.jpg



More proof they RESHAPED a UNIVERSE, in their OWN, and a section of that Universe was the ONE and ONLY MICRO-VERSE, which they also created:

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2251/ma6yt6.th.jpg



http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8326/m6yk4.th.jpg
"They Remade the STARS, the PLANETS, the GALAXIES"





So if we KNOW the Microverse is part of a Universe separate from the 616 Universe/Reality,

then we know what this means:

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/791/g4kb1.th.jpg
"I (Genis) could have let you faced Oblivion with the rest of the MICROVERSE"



If the Universe the MAKERS re-created (Outside of 616) was erased,

then the "Backside of the Front Cover" wasn't hyperboling,

and indeed, the Multiverse was destroyed.

I also said,

it seemed Genis was getting most of the credit:

Entropy gets his props too, but Genis gets more:

Atleast that's the way the Writer structured it,

it's still 50/50 IMO.



http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6278/g2zm0.th.jpg
"right before I (Genis) crushed him ... like this"




http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3366/g3af4.th.jpg
"Entropy and I (Genis) were busy ending everything"




http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/791/g4kb1.th.jpg
"I (Genis) could have let you faced Oblivion with the rest of the Microverse"





http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6044/g5nb5.th.jpg
"You (Genis) destroy life at a Whim ... You're (Genis) not God"

Genis replies,

Of course I am ... Haven't you been paying attention to MY (Genis) acts?"





http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5827/g6ed1.th.jpg
"Entropy you've ended all that is ... Well ... WE (Genis & Entropy) did"

So Photon009, since Genis is basically a universal destroyer then why start this thread?

I mean you keep talking about him killing Eternity and all this, if he is sooo far above Silver Surfer, and you also believe Sentry is above SS (I think you said that) then why did you make this stupid thread.

Isn't it the definition of a spite thread when you ask a question and argue one side, calling people who disagree "dumb."

Honestly if I started a thread that was "Eternity and Thanos vs. SS Stardust and Firelord" wouldn't you think that was pretty dumb?

Also in reference to Sentry owning Terrax faster than anyone, SS did exile him in basically one or two panels (including the flight to whatever planet that was). I have not read that New Warriors in a while, but seem to remember it.

And also SS can destory multiple planets at once.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Atlas didn't tap shit


Atlas was catching a beat down,

when Genis decided to help this Universe he had just blinked in and out of existence.


Genis ripping Time and Space around Atlas:

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7637/g1xj1.th.jpg





Jolsten could have killed Genis, through the pain receptor Rick Jones uses on Genis, a weakness that plagues Genis due to his connection to Rick.

Instead Genis comes up with the Bioagent plan:

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/614/g2ws1.th.jpg





Atlas NEVER had a chance against Genis, in fact, like I said before,

Genis is allowing all this:

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/1774/g3zk3.th.jpg
"I could stop him ... EASILY ..."

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6127/g4de2.th.jpg Now keep in mind, I haven't read the comic, but I'll take a shot at your scans here...

As I have never denied this happened. I just said that Atlas beat Genis from behind, did he not?
Or is that a different comic?

The second one seems like it's talking about him slowing down his power acceleration.
Plus, it also seems like that if he used it, he would be executed...

As I have never denied. Just that Atlas beat him down, did he not?

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
As I have never denied this happened. I just said that Atlas beat Genis from behind, did he not?
Or is that a different comic?

There's a reason Atlas was able to sucker punch him, though it had little affect.

Genis immediately pawnd him.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
The second one seems like it's talking about him slowing down his power acceleration.
Plus, it also seems like that if he used it, he would be executed...

Actually, he's talking about the Pain Receptor naturally built into Genis, it's Rick's only weapon incase Genis goes wacko and wants to destroy all Reality.

Genis said if he's killed by it, his powers will accelerate to the point where the enitre Universe will cease to exist, and that means no more Reality since Genis would be dead and not able to bring it back.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
As I have never denied. Just that Atlas beat him down, did he not?

Right before the sucker punch, Genis was losing control because he was affected by Wanda's Reality Warp like everyone else in the 616 Universe:

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3940/w26su2.th.jpg

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1056/w27ui9.th.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4992/w28ry5.th.jpg



Genis begins Blinking The Universe IN and OUT of existence:

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9793/w30cw9.th.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2769/w31cd3.th.jpg
"For one second, EVERYTHING Collapsed, and Expanded, like an Accordian"



"Private Vell has become a Spacial Conduit"
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3838/w32br6.th.jpg
"We must find him soon, OR...



"OR this entire Universe might Disappear in the Blink of an Eye"
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2193/w33vb3.th.jpg




Genis ends up splitting Time and Space in Two for 500 Kilometers:

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1253/w34cb3.th.jpg

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7870/w35mr1.th.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6818/w36pd9.th.jpg



In the grip of this malady, then came Atlas out of nowhere.

Then Atlas got handled and split in Two aswell.

Genis allowed himself to be defeated.

Originally posted by Mr Master
There's a reason Atlas was able to sucker punch him, though it had little affect.

Genis immediately pawnd him.



Actually, he's talking about the Pain Receptor naturally built into Genis, it's Rick's only weapon incase Genis goes wacko and wants to destroy all Reality.

Genis said if he's killed by it, his powers will accelerate to the point where the enitre Universe will cease to exist, and that means no more Reality since Genis would be dead and not able to bring it back.



Right before the sucker punch, Genis was losing control because he was affected by Wanda's Reality Warp like everyone else in the 616 Universe:




Genis begins Blinking The Universe IN and OUT of existence:

"For one second, EVERYTHING Collapsed, and Expanded, like an Accordian"



"Private Vell has become a Spacial Conduit"

"We must find him soon, OR...



"OR this entire Universe might Disappear in the Blink of an Eye"





Genis ends up splitting Time and Space in Two for 500 Kilometers:



In the grip of this malady, then came Atlas out of nowhere.

Then Atlas got handled and split in Two aswell.

Genis allowed himself to be defeated. I'm not going to go through this, but I will say this:

I thought Genis could see everything in the future, past, and present.
Why in the f*ck would anyone be able to get the drop on him? He should have known he was going to get sucker punched, and yet...

Plus, shouldn't Atlas have been affected by Wanda as well?

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
I'm not going to go through this, but I will say this:

I thought Genis could see everything in the future, past, and present.
Why in the f*ck would anyone be able to get the drop on him? He should have known he was going to get sucker punched, and yet...

You reposted by Post and yet must've not read it.

Review it again, the answer is there.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Plus, shouldn't Atlas have been affected by Wanda as well?

So?

It was Genis that was greatly affected, because it was messing with his Cosmic Awareness.

Genis felt (through his Cosmic Awareness) that Reality wasn't right (Wanda's Warp) but couldn't get the fix on it, his Cosmic Awareness is such, that it made him crack Space and Time in Two out of fustration.

Thanks for the Genis update Master...I really should get back into it..I've read till the insane arc...But definitely gonna get Eternity issue...

issue #5 of Captain Marvel???

Originally posted by Rewmac
Thanks for the Genis update Master...I really should get back into it..I've read till the insane arc...But definitely gonna get Eternity issue...



Yea fellas I mean frankly, I think Genis is exaggerated somewhat myself, he has all this power but he can't use it cause his Comics would become boring, so they give us a taste here and there, and regularly use plot devices or PIS in his stories why?

Because otherwise Genis would defeat any non Cosmically Aware opponent in two panels, and if his opponent is Cosmically Aware, then he has to be his level of power, which is at the very least, the ability to erase and recreate a Universe in an instant.

I use the "killing Eternity" (Multiverse) feat as a boast more than an actuality.

Why?

Because in all seriousness, Genis could never destroy the Multiverse, nor Entropy.

Eternity allowed himself to be killed, because it was time for the Multiverse to get recycled.

(Still a great Feat though, Eternity didn't fight back but it's no easy task to erase all the Matter and Energy in a Multiverse regardless, well, IMO. btw. Entropy DID Create a New Eternity/Multiverse)



But Genis can definitely destroy atleast one Universe and all it's possible Futures, on his own.
Genis also proved that his potential can reach the power to destroy and create a Universe.

Also on his own.

Originally posted by Rewmac
issue #5 of Captain Marvel???

Correct, and ends in #6, the arc begins in #4

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Also in reference to Sentry owning Terrax faster than anyone, SS did exile him in basically one or two panels (including the flight to whatever planet that was). I have not read that New Warriors in a while, but seem to remember it.

And also SS can destory multiple planets at once.

Surfer only owned Terrax that easily that one time because Terrax had been fighting the New Warriors and FF equipped with Anti-herald weapons for 2 issues straight prior to that. SS's fight with Tyros lasted about 5 times as long as Sentry's fight with Terrax, there's your evidence right there that Sentry > Surfer.

And you claim Surfer can destroy multiple planets at once? Prove it. Show me a scan of him doing it. Dont make a claim if you cant show me on-panel evidence.

Now, Mr. Master, i believe Jebus Reborn is referring to New Thunderbolts #1 where Atlas sucked shotted Genis and then threw him into the hudson river. But it was a cheapshot, and it's not that his cosmic awareness missed it, it's just that Purple Man was controlling Genis at the time and made Genis turn off his cosmic awareness. Genis even tells Atlas later that if Purple Man didnt make him shut off his cosmic awareness that he wouldve seen Atlas' attack coming a mile away.

Oh, and why hasnt anyone tried to refute my long post at the end of page 3? Just a question, is it because everyone knows that Photon > Surfer after that? I dont mean to be cocky, im just asking.

And when I say (Mr. Master too) that Genis destroyed the universe, it's different than it seems. It does not mean that Genis and Eternity fought and Genis won. Because we all know that Genis wouldnt win. It means Genis just had the raw power to kill Eternity. But Eternity let Genis win. So basically, Genis overpowered Eternity's defense, which enabled Genis to be able to kill him, but Genis probably never wouldve been able to overpower Eternity's offense. Get it?

Originally posted by Mr Master
So?

It was Genis that was greatly affected, because it was messing with his Cosmic Awareness.

Genis felt (through his Cosmic Awareness) that Reality wasn't right (Wanda's Warp) but couldn't get the fix on it, his Cosmic Awareness is such, that it made him crack Space and Time in Two out of fustration. Just saying...

Originally posted by Photon009
Surfer only owned Terrax that easily that one time because Terrax had been fighting the New Warriors and FF equipped with Anti-herald weapons for 2 issues straight prior to that. SS's fight with Tyros lasted about 5 times as long as Sentry's fight with Terrax, there's your evidence right there that Sentry > Surfer. The thing about Terrax though, is that Sentry never actually put Terrax down, Surfer did.
If the fight would have continued until Terrax was down, it would have lasted longer than it did.

It's also hardly a comparison anyway.

Originally posted by Photon009
And you claim Surfer can destroy multiple planets at once? Prove it. Show me a scan of him doing it. Dont make a claim if you cant show me on-panel evidence.
After absorbing some power (thorugh his own power), he lets loose some energy...
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4219/silversurfer199612022fl6.th.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3533/silversurfer199612023dh9.th.jpg

Originally posted by Photon009
Now, Mr. Master, i believe Jebus Reborn is referring to New Thunderbolts #1 where Atlas sucked shotted Genis and then threw him into the hudson river. But it was a cheapshot, and it's not that his cosmic awareness missed it, it's just that Purple Man was controlling Genis at the time and made Genis turn off his cosmic awareness. Genis even tells Atlas later that if Purple Man didnt make him shut off his cosmic awareness that he wouldve seen Atlas' attack coming a mile away.
That's it!

Shouldn't his cosmic awareness have known that Purple Man was going to take control of him?

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Shouldn't his cosmic awareness have known that Purple Man was going to take control of him?

Which is why I said it's difficult for Writers of Genis.

If Genis always anticipated everything on panel, how fun would that be?

They gotta sell Comics Big, you know that.


On a vs Forums, we're not restricted with protocol,

we can let loose with a character's full abilities.

So while it's in his powerset to See and know everything before hand, you wouldn't have much of a Comic if the same repetitive loop is taking place in issue after issue.

That's where the ol' PIS comes in or "plot device." to try and make a sensible story with a "god" ...

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Just saying...

The thing about Terrax though, is that Sentry never actually put Terrax down, Surfer did.
If the fight would have continued until Terrax was down, it would have lasted longer than it did.

It's also hardly a comparison anyway.

After absorbing some power (thorugh his own power), he lets loose some energy...
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4219/silversurfer199612022fl6.th.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3533/silversurfer199612023dh9.th.jpg

That's it!

Shouldn't his cosmic awareness have known that Purple Man was going to take control of him?

Um, Sentry wouldve put Terrax down in one panel after that had he wanted to. I mean, Terrax's hands were broken, Axe was broken, and it was shown his blasts dont do anything. Terrax didnt have a chance. Terrax knew that and thats why he ran away like a chump just like Sentry told him to. Sentry's feat was far more impressive that Surfer's.

And im well aware of that feat of Surfer's. Yes, Surfer absorbed that using his own power, but the actual energy/persona he absorbed and then released was not of his own power. He basically amped himself up using that energy.

Genis doesnt always have his cosmic awareness on. And Purple Man was controlling everyone through pheromones he put in the water. And when Genis took a shower or drank a glass of water, he obviously didnt have his Cosmic Awareness on, so that's how he got controlled. Also, as Mr. Master said, the writers sometimes have to ignore some things because then Genis would be basically flawless and unbeatable and no one wants to read about someone like that.

Originally posted by Photon009
Um, Sentry wouldve put Terrax down in one panel after that had he wanted to. I mean, Terrax's hands were broken, Axe was broken, and it was shown his blasts dont do anything. Terrax didnt have a chance. Terrax knew that and thats why he ran away like a chump just like Sentry told him to. Sentry's feat was far more impressive that Surfer's.

I understand he has been fighting for a while, but his encounter with SS was not a fight, just an exile.

And im well aware of that feat of Surfer's. Yes, Surfer absorbed that using his own power, but the actual energy/persona he absorbed and then released was not of his own power. He basically amped himself up using that energy.

Genis doesnt always have his cosmic awareness on. And Purple Man was controlling everyone through pheromones he put in the water. And when Genis took a shower or drank a glass of water, he obviously didnt have his Cosmic Awareness on, so that's how he got controlled. Also, as Mr. Master said, the writers sometimes have to ignore some things because then Genis would be basically flawless and unbeatable and no one wants to read about someone like that.

Terrax is scared of SS. I wish I had the scans of the New Warriors where they tell him they made a call for some help, and all you see is a bright light and Terrax poops his pants and says "oh no" or something like that. SS then picks him up and transports him to another planet, dropping his axe off (which they had to pick up in the Morg arc) and leaving Terrax on a deserted planet.

Originally posted by Photon009
Um, Sentry wouldve put Terrax down in one panel after that had he wanted to. I mean, Terrax's hands were broken, Axe was broken, and it was shown his blasts dont do anything. Terrax didnt have a chance. Terrax knew that and thats why he ran away like a chump just like Sentry told him to. Sentry's feat was far more impressive that Surfer's.

And im well aware of that feat of Surfer's. Yes, Surfer absorbed that using his own power, but the actual energy/persona he absorbed and then released was not of his own power. He basically amped himself up using that energy.

Genis doesnt always have his cosmic awareness on. And Purple Man was controlling everyone through pheromones he put in the water. And when Genis took a shower or drank a glass of water, he obviously didnt have his Cosmic Awareness on, so that's how he got controlled. Also, as Mr. Master said, the writers sometimes have to ignore some things because then Genis would be basically flawless and unbeatable and no one wants to read about someone like that. And yet, he still didn't put him down.
Terrax might not have stood a chance (maybe, but even then Terrax is a massive jobber, so it's hardly a comparison anyway), but it's still hardly relevant, seeing as he never put down Terrax like Surfer did.
Terrax was there to kick off Sentry's solo, and he did.

It's Surfer's own power to do so though, plus, you asked for it, and I showed you.
Plus, I see how you ignored Surfer creating a black hole earlier (which would destroy multiple planets). Not to mention, that he barely let out any energy, or even tried, when he did this.

Also, wouldn't it have been Genis destroying the planets, since Sentry wasn't outputting any energy?

Genis even using his awareness for a second, should have been able to see this though, using Genis logic on the forum.

So, why would they say this, if it's been proven faulty, many a time in comics?

It doesn't add up, and it also seems completely irrelevant to the forum.

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Terrax is scared of SS. I wish I had the scans of the New Warriors where they tell him they made a call for some help, and all you see is a bright light and Terrax poops his pants and says "oh no" or something like that. SS then picks him up and transports him to another planet, dropping his axe off (which they had to pick up in the Morg arc) and leaving Terrax on a deserted planet.

Yes, he didnt want to fight Surfer because as i said before, Terrax had just been fighting the combined forces of the Fantastic Four and New Warriors all equipped with Anti-Herald weapons designed by Reed for 2 issues straight prior to Surfer coming. So yea, a very weakened Terrax is reluctant to fight Surfer. Not really that impressive for Surfer. Especially considering later on in a Surfer arc Terrax healed from his fight with the NW/FF/Surfer and came back after Surfer fresh and wasnt scared at all, even when Surfer had Firelord and Air-Walker backing him up.

Sentry on the other hand owned the shit out of Terrax easily, broke his hands with one hand, then snapped his axe like a twig, and told him to leave the planet. And Terrax did. And Terrax was fresh, still easily in fighting condition, all he was fighting pre-Sentry showing up was some helicopters.

With regards to SS destroying multiple planets at the same time, I couldn't get the scan of his energy release from Annihilation where he releases enough that Rav can't follow him, but I remember that being big.

More importantly, with regard to black holes. If we were to say that black holes created by SS were just intermediate black holes, not Super-massive ones. Wouldn't the creation of a black hole of that magnitude "thousands of solar masses" destroy planets. I mean we are talking about creating a vacuum in space that is thousands of times the mass of our Sun.

I am not physicist, but I would call that multiple planet destroying power. I will have to dig deep to find specific scans of destroying multiple planets, but given that SS usually tries to preserve life there would have to be multiple dead planets around.

SS has had no trouble distroying planets before, and his power output is legendary. Just look at Annihilation, or better yet when he added his power to MM and almost overloaded him. MM said it could have destroyed him (or something to that extent).

Originally posted by Photon009
Not really that impressive for Surfer. Especially considering later on in a Surfer arc Terrax healed from his fight with the NW/FF/Surfer and came back after Surfer fresh and wasnt scared at all, even when Surfer had Firelord and Air-Walker backing him up.


Are you talking about the morg storyline, when they went looking for him?

He pretended he was dead to avoid them. I would consider that fear, wouldn't you???

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
And yet, he still didn't put him down.
Terrax might not have stood a chance (maybe, but even then Terrax is a massive jobber, so it's hardly a comparison anyway), but it's still hardly relevant, seeing as he never put down Terrax like Surfer did.
Terrax was there to kick off Sentry's solo, and he did.

It's Surfer's own power to do so though, plus, you asked for it, and I showed you.
Plus, I see how you ignored Surfer creating a black hole earlier (which would destroy multiple planets). Not to mention, that he barely let out any energy, or even tried, when he did this.

Also, wouldn't it have been Genis destroying the planets, since Sentry wasn't outputting any energy?

Genis even using his awareness for a second, should have been able to see this though, using Genis logic on the forum.

So, why would they say this, if it's been proven faulty, many a time in comics?

It doesn't add up, and it also seems completely irrelevant to the forum.

So you're holding it against Sentry that instead of turning Terrax into gravel in one panel, Sentry was nice and gave him a chance to leave the planet? That doesnt make any sense. Sentry's feat against Terrax is far more impressive that Surfer's.

Another feat that solidly puts Sentry above Thor/Surfer types is against the Absorbing Man. Absorbing Man has effortlessly absorbed the power of Mjolnir, which has proven to be stronger than Surfer's power cosmic, yet when he tried to absorb Sentry's power, Sentry easily overloaded him.

No it's not Surfer's own power to do so. He absorbed that being and let it out in a big burst of energy. He got an external powerup, therefore it isnt under his own power. That's like Absorbing Man stealing the Power Cosmic from Surfer and then beating the shit out of the Hulk with it. It happenned, but only because Absorbing Man got an EXTERNAL powerup. And i asked for on-panel evidence of Surfer destroying multiple planets under his own power, aka WITHOUT AN EXTERNAL POWERUP.

I dont know what you're trying to prove saying Sentry wasnt outputting any energy so it mustve been Genis doing all the destroying. No, both of them were destroying multiple planets on their own, and they were both spitting out massive amounts of energy. And they were both holding back on top of that. If they didnt hold back theyre wouldve be galaxy-wide or maybe even universe-wide collateral destruction.

And i didnt ignore Surfer creating a black hole. It's just useless thats all. Genis has created black holes through not only space, but also time as well, and far easier than Surfer ever has. Hell, Genis once even did it subconsciously/accidentally. When it comes to creating portals and black holes, Surfer is even further out of his league against Photon than he is in overall power.

And Genis had lot more things to worry about than Purple Man putting pheromones in the water. He cant look at everything at once, just the most important things because if he looks at everything at once, thats what drives him insane and obviously he doesnt want that. See purple man wasnt Genis' #1 priority (probably not even top 10 because Purple Man is nothing compared to Genis in power). But for example, in his figt against Sentry and the New Avengers, fighting them was his #2 priority (his #1 priortiy throughout his entire time as "Photon" was tuning his cosmic awareness so he could see everything without going insane, which he was never able to do), so he was able to use it effectively to predict Sentry and the Avengers' moves. And thats what will happen against Surfer. Since this is a VS Forum battle, Genis doesnt have to worry about going insane, so he can make beating Surfer's ass his #1 priority if he wants, and then Surfer's royally screwed, fighting an Insane Photon Genis who knows Surfer's moves before even Surfer does.

Oh, and Stupid Rookie, in Annihilation, Surfer created a moderately sized Black Hole, yes, but it obviously didnt have enough pull to destroy multiple planets as not even Thanos who was watching close by was pulled in. So it obviously didnt have much pull. And when he stopped Ravenous from following, that was only one planet that was destroyed. He just destroyed the planet Ravenous was on, which only got Ravenous angry, but kept Ravenous away since he cant fly. And no im not talking about the Morg storyline. Im talking about the storyline a couple issues/arcs before it, when Terrax came back after Surfer wanting Revenge for Surfer stranding Terrax on that planet without his axe, and Surfer, Firelord, Air-Walker, and Nova all trying to put Terrax down H2H and failing.

I am not arguing that SS is above Genis, just so you know.

I do like how you seem to have ignored (unless I missed it) my comment about why start this tread if Genis is above Eternity and Sentry is above SS. I mean it is just spite and a reason for you to call people dumb (which it took like 3 responses for you to get to).

I want to know where it is stated that Mjolnir is more powerful than PC. I agree that thor can go toe to toe with SS, but to say that on pure power output Mjolnir is more powerful I will never believe that.

Until someone shows me Mjolnir creating life on an entire planet, almost overpowering MM, releasing the energies of the Crunch (which G said he could barely withstand), resurecting BRB (with help of course) I doubt that statement's validity.

ALso didn't SS recreate stormbreaker in that scene. I think Odin didn't even know if was possible.

Genis>>>>>Silver Surfer>>>>Stardust>>>>Sentry>>>Firelord.

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
I am not arguing that SS is above Genis, just so you know.

I do like how you seem to have ignored (unless I missed it) my comment about why start this tread if Genis is above Eternity and Sentry is above SS. I mean it is just spite and a reason for you to call people dumb (which it took like 3 responses for you to get to).

I want to know where it is stated that Mjolnir is more powerful than PC. I agree that thor can go toe to toe with SS, but to say that on pure power output Mjolnir is more powerful I will never believe that.

Until someone shows me Mjolnir creating life on an entire planet, almost overpowering MM, releasing the energies of the Crunch (which G said he could barely withstand), resurecting BRB (with help of course) I doubt that statement's validity.

ALso didn't SS recreate stormbreaker in that scene. I think Odin didn't even know if was possible.

Wait, so because i made the thread i cant post in it? Is that what you're saying? Cause if so, that doesnt make any sense whatsoever.

And Surfer i believe has admitted that the power of Mjolnir is greater than his power. And the Godblast is more impressive that anything Surfer's PC has done. Remember, the Godblast has scared away Galactus himself, the master of the Power Cosmic. The Godblast has also hurt Exitar, and momentarily stopped the classic Juggernaut. As well as killing Those Who Sit Above In Shadow, who are basically the Skyfathers of the Skyfathers, aka theyre more powerful than Odin and the strongest pantheons.

And Surfer didnt recreate Stormbreaker. Odin did it, and Surfer just helped a little bit. It was like 75% Odin's doing, 25% Surfer's.

Originally posted by hush
Genis>>>>>Silver Surfer>>>>Stardust>>>>Sentry>>>Firelord.

No.

Genis >> Sentry >> Surfer >> Firelord >> Stardust

Originally posted by Photon009
No.

Genis >> Sentry >> Surfer >> Firelord >> Stardust
no way. Sentry cant kill Surfer or Stardust but he can Firelord.

Originally posted by Photon009
So you're holding it against Sentry that instead of turning Terrax into gravel in one panel, Sentry was nice and gave him a chance to leave the planet? That doesnt make any sense. Sentry's feat against Terrax is far more impressive that Surfer's. No, I'm holding it against you, since you think it's more impressive to embarrass someone, then to beat them (although Surfer did both).
Yes Sentry did it, so what? It hardly makes it any better than Surfer's, and it hardly makes a good comparison, considering Terrax is written better in cosmic stories.
He was there to kick start Sentry's mini, and was just a character to run through.

Originally posted by Photon009
Another feat that solidly puts Sentry above Thor/Surfer types is against the Absorbing Man. Absorbing Man has effortlessly absorbed the power of Mjolnir, which has proven to be stronger than Surfer's power cosmic, yet when he tried to absorb Sentry's power, Sentry easily overloaded him. Too bad it hasn't proven to be above Surfer's power...
Also, AM absorbed Sentry's power, just not his full power.
I wonder what would happen if Thor channeled all his energy into AM at once...


Originally posted by Photon009
No it's not Surfer's own power to do so. He absorbed that being and let it out in a big burst of energy. He got an external powerup, therefore it isnt under his own power. That's like Absorbing Man stealing the Power Cosmic from Surfer and then beating the shit out of the Hulk with it. It happenned, but only because Absorbing Man got an EXTERNAL powerup. And i asked for on-panel evidence of Surfer destroying multiple planets under his own power, aka WITHOUT AN EXTERNAL POWERUP. It is Surfer's own power to absorb energy from anywhere, and anytime though.

Absorbing Man needed Surfer's powers, Surfer just needs a big energy source.

It shows what Surfer's capable of, when he releases the energy he absorbs.

Although, Surfer can easily destroy planets anyway, plus his vow that he would never take a life, might have something to do with him not destroying multiple planets... Or maybe, because Surfer has only destroyed worlds with no life on them...
Maybe.

Originally posted by Photon009
I dont know what you're trying to prove saying Sentry wasnt outputting any energy so it mustve been Genis doing all the destroying. No, both of them were destroying multiple planets on their own, and they were both spitting out massive amounts of energy. And they were both holding back on top of that. If they didnt hold back theyre wouldve be galaxy-wide or maybe even universe-wide collateral destruction. I don't really remember Sentry being capable of spitting out energy...
I do however, remember Genis being able to do so.

Wow... universally wide...
God, I wondered why some of these comments are so dumb...
Now I find out that Sentry can take part in affecting the universe, with the destruction he can dish out...

Originally posted by Photon009
And i didnt ignore Surfer creating a black hole. It's just useless thats all. Genis has created black holes through not only space, but also time as well, and far easier than Surfer ever has. Hell, Genis once even did it subconsciously/accidentally. When it comes to creating portals and black holes, Surfer is even further out of his league against Photon than he is in overall power. Hey, if you didn't notice, I was talking about Sentry, not Genis.

I really don't care what the f*ck Genis does from anywhere in a comic, with regards to Surfer.

A black hole trumps what Sentry did.

Originally posted by Photon009
And Genis had lot more things to worry about than Purple Man putting pheromones in the water. He cant look at everything at once, just the most important things because if he looks at everything at once, thats what drives him insane and obviously he doesnt want that. See purple man wasnt Genis' #1 priority (probably not even top 10 because Purple Man is nothing compared to Genis in power). But for example, in his figt against Sentry and the New Avengers, fighting them was his #2 priority (his #1 priortiy throughout his entire time as "Photon" was tuning his cosmic awareness so he could see everything without going insane, which he was never able to do), so he was able to use it effectively to predict Sentry and the Avengers' moves. And thats what will happen against Surfer. Since this is a VS Forum battle, Genis doesnt have to worry about going insane, so he can make beating Surfer's ass his #1 priority if he wants, and then Surfer's royally screwed, fighting an Insane Photon Genis who knows Surfer's moves before even Surfer does. If he can't look at everything at once, then that kind of ruins the theory of him having omniversal awareness, does it not?
Bottom line:
Omniversal awareness should have saw that, and it didn't.

Nothing more, nothing less.

I really don't care about the rest, as you basically just admitted that his awareness doesn't work like it is said to in the forum.

Also, did I say anything about Surfer or Genis? No, I don't believe I did, so you can stop hyping him up.

Originally posted by Photon009
Oh, and Stupid Rookie, in Annihilation, Surfer created a moderately sized Black Hole, yes, but it obviously didnt have enough pull to destroy multiple planets as not even Thanos who was watching close by was pulled in. So it obviously didnt have much pull. Thanos was standing quite a bit away from him, and Thanos is also extremely powerful...
The only time a black hole suck him in, was when it was made around him, so I really don't see your point...
DUR!

rarely has a thread sounded so twatty from all corners.

Originally posted by manorastroman
rarely has a thread sounded so twatty from all corners. Hey, I just don't believe Sentry is above Surfer.

regardless.

Originally posted by Photon009
Wait, so because i made the thread i cant post in it? Is that what you're saying? Cause if so, that doesnt make any sense whatsoever.

And Surfer i believe has admitted that the power of Mjolnir is greater than his power. And the Godblast is more impressive that anything Surfer's PC has done. Remember, the Godblast has scared away Galactus himself, the master of the Power Cosmic. The Godblast has also hurt Exitar, and momentarily stopped the classic Juggernaut. As well as killing Those Who Sit Above In Shadow, who are basically the Skyfathers of the Skyfathers, aka theyre more powerful than Odin and the strongest pantheons.

And Surfer didnt recreate Stormbreaker. Odin did it, and Surfer just helped a little bit. It was like 75% Odin's doing, 25% Surfer's.

Read my post.

I think this thread is spite because within like 2 responses you called a guy an idiot who thought SS was above Genis.

You started a thread comparing these 5 characters, and then say that SS is nowhere near the level of Sentry and a fly to Genis.

So if that is true what the F is the point. As I stated: "Eternity and Thanos vs SS Stardust and Firelord." That is the equivalent of this thread according to you.

All I did was suggest that this is spite, and that if you wanted to start a thread just to call people idiots you need a new hobby. If Sentry and Genis are so far above SS, who is in most people's opinion measurably stronger than the other heralds, what is team 2 going to do?

Also I don't see how Odin did it if he had no idea what was going on. He told SS he had been trying to revive BRB for a while and it was impossible. He was insulted that SS thought it was possible. Also when the hammer was ripped from his hand he was like WTF. Are you kidding me. Yeah Odin did all the work. he had no idea what SS was doing. he knew that SS was not being totally truthful, but didn't have any idea what he was doing, least of all that the hammer was going to be reborn.

More importantly. Show me a feat the level of 1) almost overpowering MM, who is so far above even Insane Genis it is "Insane", or 2) harnessing the powers of the Crunch, to defeat to beings of similar power to other Cosmics like Galactus.

Basically there are two feats that are so far above Anything Mjolnir has done it is insane.

Also in regard to SS saying M was more powerful that counts for Doo Doo. SS fired a warning shot that Thor himself said could have killed him and the Avengers.

Face it, in terms of raw power, SS > Mjolnir. Mjolnir is vastly superior in regards to magic, but not "raw power"

Until you find 2 instances of "POWER" greater than mine, I don't even think you have an argument.

Originally posted by Photon009
Try and prove it. Your (dumb) opinion means nothing. I just proved Photon is superior to Surfer.

Has Surfer ever destroyed more than one planet at once? Nope. All he's done is destroyed one planet once with the help of Morg, and one (obviously small) planet recently against Ravenous, but Ravenous wasnt even fazed, just pissed.

Has Surfer ever owned an Elder of the Universe? Nope. The only time i can reall Surfer fighting an Elder of the Universe it was against the Runner, and Surfer got owned hard. And Grandmaster > Runner.

Thor's power isnt beyond R-Man's comprehension, and therefore Surfer's isnt either because Thor is slightly superior to Surfer. But Photon's power IS beyond R-Man's comprehension, R-Man admitted it himself.


This is your second response to your thread, and the fact that someone said Photon was greater than SS made you call him/her dumb. That is was pissed me off.

I also like how you said SS never owned an Elder, which is just stupid. You used one encounter with an Elder to prove he couldn't hang with any, when he plainly can.

Tenebrous and Aegis never proved to be equal to Galactus. Tenebrous was having an extremely hard time with a hungry Galactus, and needed both Tenebrous and Aegis to put Big G down. I'd say Tenebrous and Aegis are each about 75% of a good portrayal Galactus, not equals. But yes, the Crunch feat is still massively impressive. But really, nothing Surfer has ever done comes close to killing Eternity.

Oh, and kid, stop ranting about how your pissed and this and that, because i really dont give two shits. And dont call me stupid, especially when you're trying to compare Black Hole feats saying Surfer has better ones than Genis who in the span of 10 or so issues trumped Surfer's whole career when it comes to Black Holes and Portals.

And im really sick and tired at this point of refuting other people's posts (successfully, but still it annoys me after a while) when im still waiting to see someone try and refute my post from a couple pages back. I proved everyone wrong, and i would really love to see someone try (and fail miserably) to refute it. So here you go, here it is again to refresh your memory:

Originally posted by Photon009
Tenebrous and Aegis never proved to be equal to Galactus. Tenebrous was having an extremely hard time with a hungry Galactus, and needed both Tenebrous and Aegis to put Big G down. I'd say Tenebrous and Aegis are each about 75% of a good portrayal Galactus, not equals. But yes, the Crunch feat is still massively impressive. But really, nothing Surfer has ever done comes close to killing Eternity.

Oh, and kid, stop ranting about how your pissed and this and that, because i really dont give two shits. And dont call me stupid, especially when you're trying to compare Black Hole feats saying Surfer has better ones than Genis who in the span of 10 or so issues trumped Surfer's whole career when it comes to Black Holes and Portals.

And im really sick and tired at this point of refuting other people's posts (successfully, but still it annoys me after a while) when im still waiting to see someone try and refute my post from a couple pages back. I proved everyone wrong, and i would really love to see someone try (and fail miserably) to refute it. So here you go, here it is again to refresh your memory:

Ok so at no point in any of my posts have I claimed SS is above Genis. So learn to read.

I said T&A are similar in power to G. i think that is fair to say. They are certainly considered Cosmic level threats.

And once again with regards to Black holes, I neve said SS was above Genis, only that he could destroy more than one planet at a time.

At no point in any post have I argued SS>Genis

SS> Sentry I have, and you have yet to refute either of my two points. Even is T&A are 75% of G that is still a feat beyond anything Mjolnir has done, and that was my argument. I didn't say he was above Genis, in fact, in regards to this I wasn't even necessarily saying he was above Sentry. I was arguing again your claim that Mjolnir was more powerful than SS. I was arguing your absorbing man logic.

So in short nothing you have said has had anything to do with my argument.

Originally posted by Priest
Surfer>>Sentry
Damn skippy

Originally posted by janus77
just 'cos I am a little pedantic, yes they could.
open enough black holes at various points in the universe and matter would be drawn in at such a rate that it would collapse the universe faster than the big bang aftermath is still expanding it... causing the eventual end of the universe.
(but that's ofcourse, not what you were meaning)

umm, how fast can photon end the universe, Surfer could easily dump photon in the microverse, if he gets to photon before the universe ends.

The Universe is infinite. So opening a finite amount of black holes could never destroy the universe no matter how fast and strong they act. Plus black holes are not created equal (some are very small in mass). In theory one can create a black hole from 100kg of matter in which would take quadrillions of years if not more to just destroy a solar system. Add that to the fact that SS can't create energy (he just absorbs it or converts matter into it) and we get that SS can only create a blackhole the magnitude of a star only if he absorbed a star (or caused the star to collaspe upon itself). Thus he can't even create decent black holes to even start to end the universe (not to mention it would take infinite time if he could). Plus black holes die out in time.