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This fight is strictly hand to hand. Diana doesn't get and of her weopons.

I'm rolling with KK on this one.

KK taught Norris the roundhouse and BP the armlock, who do u think wins?

Val takes one look at her and passes out from blood flow being directed away from his brain.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Val takes one look at her and passes out from blood flow being directed away from his brain.

Strictly hth I don't think so Val has cojones. She aint speedblitzing and he negates her strength with his skill. He could take he but she would get the majority because she has skill too just not on his level. I would say 3/10 for Val and she would have work for each one though.

val has never fought anyone like wonder woman.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
val has never fought anyone like wonder woman.

Superboy

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
Superboy

Who is not nearly as skilled as Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by Soljer
Who is not nearly as skilled as Wonder Woman.

which is why it makes this an interesting match. KK is definitely more skilled than Diana eventhough she is skilled herself. KK could take few.

Originally posted by Soljer
Who is not nearly as skilled as Wonder Woman.

But IMMENSELY more powerful.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Val takes one look at her and passes out from blood flow being directed away from his brain.
Val takes Wonder Woman, shortly thereafter.


damn, who wouldn't want to go hand to hand with Wonder Woman ... she should change the costume's colour scheme though, go with black and red, perhaps.

Originally posted by batdude123
But IMMENSELY more powerful.

So is superboy. Check out the respect thread.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
val has never fought anyone like wonder woman.


Superman as superboy? Mon El?

I know what it is these guys don't want to take the thread seriously because I make spite threads for shit'n'giggles, but this one is legit.

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
So is superboy. Check out the respect thread.



I was referring to Superboy.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Superman as superboy? Mon El?

Shit writing. Plain and simple. A martial artist, no matter how good, is not as powerful as Superman.

Originally posted by batdude123
Shit writing. Plain and simple. A martial artist, no matter how good, is not as powerful as Superman.

Except he is, he did these things consistently, over and over again, he broke things like Inertron and indestructible materials that the rest of the legion failed to, he throws people insterstellar distances.... he is just a ridiculous character with power that logically he shouldn't have, but he does anyway, so you have to accept it.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Except he is, he did these things consistently, over and over again, he broke things like Inertron and indestructible materials that the rest of the legion failed to, he throws people insterstellar distances.... he is just a ridiculous character with power that logically he shouldn't have, but he does anyway, so you have to accept it.

And on the flip side, he has some really low showings that nobody seems to mention on KMC. Ever. His feats balance out, and he's clearly not as powerful as Mon-El or Superboy. Jesus Christ, please...

And, by using simple logic, no matter how formidable of a martial artist he is, he's still not in Superman's league.

Everyone has low showings. It doesn't negate the high ones.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Everyone has low showings. It doesn't negate the high ones.

It's called law of averages. He has just as many low showings (that nobody says anything about) as he does ridiculous showings.

He ain't Pre-Crisis Superboy's peer in power.

Despite the fact that he fought him to a stalemate about 3 or 4 times?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Despite the fact that he fought him to a stalemate about 3 or 4 times?

I'm not saying he isn't uber.

But the best he's done against Superboy was when the whole legion was after him. Reverse Ninja law, and everything... you know.

All I'm saying, is that he isn't = to Superboy.

Not in strength, travel speed, or destructive power, but he can at least match him in reaction speed, his skills can create blows that can harm him somewhat, and redirect his own power against him.

He doesn't have nearly as much raw power though.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Despite the fact that he fought him to a stalemate about 3 or 4 times?

Mon-el's easily caught one of KK's punches before... KK can't beat Superboy or Mon-el, it's the fact that he doesn't get destroyed is a huge feat. Still, Diana is far better than him in everything but skill, and even then she's still pretty skilled. Wonder Woman will win a clear majority.

Originally posted by batdude123
I'm not saying he isn't uber.

But the best he's done against Superboy was when the whole legion was after him. Reverse Ninja law, and everything... you know.

All I'm saying, is that he isn't = to Superboy. And Even if he was, Superboy would get quite a beat down from Wonder Woman... soooooooooo........

Originally posted by The Fake Macoy
Mon-el's easily caught one of KK's punches before... KK can't beat Superboy or Mon-el, it's the fact that he doesn't get destroyed is a huge feat. Still, Diana is far better than him in everything but skill, and even then she's still pretty skilled. Wonder Woman will win a clear majority.

Current Wonder Woman <<<<<<<<< Pre - Crisis Kryptonians. If she engages in HtH she gets mauled.

Originally posted by batdude123
Shit writing. Plain and simple. A martial artist, no matter how good, is not as powerful as Superman.

You can blame that on DC not me. Thats how they want to write so thats how its.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
And Even if he was, Superboy would get quite a beat down from Wonder Woman... soooooooooo........

We're talking about Pre - Crisis Superboy.

AKA this guy:

http://supermanica.info/wiki/images/d/dc/Superboytowingplanets.jpg

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Not in strength, travel speed, or destructive power, but he can at least match him in reaction speed, his skills can create blows that can harm him somewhat, and redirect his own power against him.

He doesn't have nearly as much raw power though.

To an extent. Val has flat out admitted he's not as powerful as Superboy, and he's said he can't really beat, nor harm him. The only way he can compete is by using strategy. So yeah, pretty much...

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
You can blame that on DC not me. Thats how they want to write so thats how its.

I'm not blaming it on anybody because it's not true. Karate Kid is not as powerful as Superman.

Originally posted by batdude123
I'm not blaming it on anybody because it's not true. Karate Kid is not as powerful as Superman.

Not in raw strength and force, but his other abilities allow him to fight on an even plane with him.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Not in raw strength and force, but his other abilities allow him to fight on an even plane with him.

I agree... if Superman were to only use strength and speed in a fight. If he uses freeze breath, heat vision, (not the puny two-inch wide heat vision Mon-El tried to use... I'm talking about heat vsion wide enough to cover a planet that Superman's shown before) or T-Vo, it's over.

Originally posted by batdude123
I agree... if Superman were to only use strength and speed in a fight. If he uses freeze breath, heat vision, (not the puny two-inch wide heat vision Mon-El tried to use... I'm talking about heat vsion wide enough to cover a planet that Superman's shown before) or T-Vo, it's over.

That would be out of character for Superman to try and do that to another person. especially a hero. You are the one who said we dont' only argue power sets here but character as well right?

That would fry innocent bystanders as well

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That would be out of character for Superman to try and do that to another person. especially a hero. You are the one who said we dont' only argue power sets here but character as well right?

His strength is just as lethal as his heat vision nvrhadaclue.

Originally posted by batdude123
His strength is just as lethal as his heat vision nvrhadaclue.

Yet KK can use his own strength against him

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Yet KK can use his own strength against him

Not if he gets one good hit in the face. And if Superman is gonna try to punch Karate Kid, there's nothing wrong with saying he'd trying to blast him with heat vision or freeze him.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
We're talking about Pre - Crisis Superboy.

AKA this guy:

http://supermanica.info/wiki/images/d/dc/Superboytowingplanets.jpg what happened there, did their "sun" explode or something

actually i could see KK dodging HV as long as its not like fullout and everything. In the latest JLA he dodged lightning.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
actually i could see KK dodging HV as long as its not like fullout and everything. In the latest JLA he dodged lightning.

All Superman would have to do is make it wide. He wouldn't have to be going for the kill.

Originally posted by batdude123
All Superman would have to do is make it wide. He wouldn't have to be going for the kill.

It really doesn't matter because WW doesn't have heat vision or freeze breathe.

Originally posted by batdude123
All Superman would have to do is make it wide. He wouldn't have to be going for the kill.
thats why i said as long as its not full out.

What sort of fight is this? Is there martial arts moves involved?

Originally posted by DARKLORDCAEDUS
What sort of fight is this? Is there martial arts moves involved?

The only stipulatiion is that its HTH. No weopons.