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who wins?

Originally posted by lordboo
who wins?

chaos wave was impressive

Originally posted by guy222
chaos wave was impressive

It would have been more impressive if it were a part of her power set and not a side effect of her being a crazy reckless b****, with the gem especially, she is done for IMO.

Originally posted by LordKaos
It would have been more impressive if it were a part of her power set and not a side effect of her being a crazy reckless b****, with the gem especially, she is done for IMO.

precisely.

Wanda in a stomp.

Originally posted by LordKaos
It would have been more impressive if it were a part of her power set and not a side effect of her being a crazy reckless b****, with the gem especially, she is done for IMO.
Agreed 100%... Scarlet witch dies.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Agreed 100%... Scarlet witch dies.

Wanda resurrected Proteus and gave him his current powers during HOM.

The Reality Gem alone (assuming he can wield it) isn't going to give him control of the Universe.


Wanda without any need of the Chaos Wave,

FTW ... in a stomp.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Reality Gem alone (assuming he can wield it) isn't going to give him control of the Universe.

Didn't Wanda have next to no control of the wave except for change very general aspects of what it did?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Didn't Wanda have next to no control of the wave except for change very general aspects of what it did?

Correct.

Wanda was sustaining and fueling the Chaos Waves's momentum with her own power subconsciously.

(which means without control)


BUT,

Wanda Remade Earth 616, this Warp cracked a hole in the Walls of Causality,
Wanda's Warp began to spread through the hole and across the 616 Universe,
it soon engulfed the 616 Universe and cracked countless Walls in-between UniverseS,
ultimately collapsing them.

The Second time Wanda altered Reality, she Warped the 616 Universe according to Beak.

The Third time (no more Mutants) Wanda Remade Reality, she Re-created the entire 616 Universe this time back to it's normalacy, with the small change of eliminating the power of 90% of all the Mutants.




Wanda is a Universal Power,

but she is also an unwitting Omniversal power,

because she can collpase the Omniverse by excersing her power at a Global level,
which was the scale of her First Warp.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Correct.

Wanda was sustaining and fueling the Chaos Waves's momentum with her own power subconsciously.

(which means without control)


BUT,

Wanda Remade Earth 616, this Warp cracked a hole in the Walls of Causality,
Wanda's Warp began to spread through the hole and across the 616 Universe,
it soon engulfed the 616 Universe and cracked countless Walls in-between UniverseS,
ultimately collapsing them.

The Second time Wanda altered Reality, she Warped the 616 Universe according to Beak.

The Third time (no more Mutants) Wanda Remade Reality, she Re-created the entire 616 Universe this time back to it's normalacy, with the small change of eliminating the power of 90% of all the Mutants.




Wanda is a Universal Power,

but she is also an unwitting Omniversal power,

because she can collpase the Omniverse by excersing her power at a Global level,
which was the scale of her First Warp.

She has a ton of power but no control. Proteus has less power but more control so all he has to do is use his control to survive the horribly imprecise attack from Wanda and then attack.

IMO thats enough of a shot for him to take a few wins.

That which Wanda giveth... Wanda can taketh away...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
She has a ton of power but no control. Proteus has less power but more control so all he has to do is use his control to survive the horribly imprecise attack from Wanda and then attack.

IMO thats enough of a shot for him to take a few wins.

Well she has complete control of atleast a Universal scale of territory,
because she indeed Warped the 616 Reality Twice in her image.

Proteus was not only resurrected by Wanda and imbued with his current powers by Wanda,
but he's a Global scale Warper at best.

The Reality Gem alone, will not boost a Global manipulator into a Universal Warper.


So Wanda in a stomp ... IMO.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That which Wanda giveth... Wanda can taketh away...

Proteus could probably win without the Gem

Originally posted by norrinradd43
Proteus could probably win without the Gem

By Warping one Planet in the Universe Wanda restructures around him?

I doubt it.

Dont Proteus' powers only last as long as he is around, once he is gone everything goes back to normal?

Originally posted by norrinradd43
Dont Proteus' powers only last as long as he is around, once he is gone everything goes back to normal?

And he can only warp Reality upto a Global scale,
while Wanda Remade the 616 Reality.

I think wanda would have to beat him from a distance, he melts her into a puddle when he is around like he did to wolverine...I think proteus could use his powers for a first strike on wanda which is all it would take, but then again the victory would not be perminant and wanda would beat him in the end

Originally posted by norrinradd43
I think wanda would have to beat him from a distance, he melts her into a puddle when he is around like he did to wolverine...

You mean from a Universe away?

He can't even influence an area greater than a Planet.

How is he gonna touch Wanda, when Wanda will control the entire Universe he's in?

Originally posted by norrinradd43
I think proteus could use his powers for a first strike on wanda which is all it would take,

To do what?

Piss Wanda off so she can turn him and his entire Planet into a poodle to pet?

Originally posted by norrinradd43
but then again the victory would not be perminant and wanda would beat him in the end

Well, considering Wanda actually resurrected Proteus and GAVE him his powers,

I sincerely doubt he can anything to Wanda at all.


Wanda FTW, in a curbstomp.

Wouldn't the reality Gem be boosted to insane lvls in proteus's control? or vice versa? his stuff would be permanant. Wanda would lose IMO. The Gem makes this not much of a match.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Wouldn't the reality Gem be boosted to insane lvls in proteus's control? or vice versa? his stuff would be permanant. Wanda would lose IMO. The Gem makes this not much of a match.



Wanda recreated Proteus clueless.

The Reality Gem wouldn't boost a Planetary Warper into a Universal one.

Read Comics.

Wanda had absolute control over the entire 616 Reality.


Wanda FTW in an embarrasing stomp.

Originally posted by Mr Master


Wanda recreated Proteus clueless.

The Reality Gem wouldn't boost a Planetary Warper into a Universal one.

Read Comics.

Wanda had absolute control over the entire 616 Reality.


Wanda FTW in an embarrasing stomp.

Doesn't matter. Once He got the reality gem, he'd be boosted and one doesn't need to be universal in power. Wanda could control the entire 616 and not be able to take over odins part becuz he's absolute in his lil corner. Kinda the same thing with Merlin and MJJ. Try again. you fail.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Doesn't matter. Once He got the reality gem, he'd be boosted and one doesn't need to be universal in power. Wanda could control the entire 616 and not be able to take over odins part becuz he's absolute in his lil corner. Kinda the same thing with Merlin and MJJ. Try again. you fail.

nuts

Originally posted by Mr Master
nuts

You do that a lot when I spank you with superior logic. It's your forte. you do it to anyone who gets you in a corner and you can't argue your way out. i understand. It's ok boo. You can't win all of the time.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You do that a lot when I spank you with superior logic. It's your forte. you do it to anyone who gets you in a corner and you can't argue your way out. i understand. It's ok boo. You can't win all of the time.

You talk so much shit dude it's unbearable.

I throw in a smilie cause you're a child, and must be dealt with acccordingly.

Only a bonehead such as yourself, would think that a Planetary Warper can defeat a Universal one, that's a JOKE, and doesn't deserve a serious response.

Since you know zilch about the Reality Gem,

you posted more dumb shit stating the Reality Gem would make Proteus supreme in a section of the Universe, how can I not just laugh or throw in a smilie on such a dumb shit of a post.

Proteus has never even been a planetary reality warper as far as I can remember, his abilities were always localized and he lacked the ability to affect Longshot.

The Scarlet Witch remade -616 into -58163, then turned it back again. No more Proteus.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Proteus has never even been a planetary reality warper as far as I can remember, his abilities were always localized and he lacked the ability to affect Longshot.

The Scarlet Witch remade -616 into -58163, then turned it back again. No more Proteus.



Now see clueless,

learn from debaters that know what the heck they're talking about,
from debaters that actually Read a Comic Book before coming in here and posting bull shit

I've never seen proteus come close to becomeing a global scal reality warper. He's always been a local scale reality warper, plus he has that stupid weakness against metal. Wanda would blink him away without realising it (she ressurected him and GAVE him his powers without realising it)

Depends on which Wanda it is.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Depends on which Wanda it is.

Don't matter, there is no such thing as a wanda with the chaos wave, and after that she created a reality that was seen through by layla miller, meaning it was an illusion, she said no more mutants and then suddenly a lot of mutants lost their powers, but they were not lost or uncreated the energy took it upon itself to create the collective, she has so much power that she managed to depower herself. A reality warper would have one of the easiest times using the reality gem, since they already know what the gem can do, it won't be a new power for proteus it will be a boost to what he can already do. If wanda did create and sustained the chaos wave all proteus has to do is warp reality to create meggan since she stopped it.

Originally posted by LordKaos
Don't matter, there is no such thing as a wanda with the chaos wave, and after that she created a reality that was seen through by layla miller, meaning it was an illusion, she said no more mutants and then suddenly a lot of mutants lost their powers, but they were not lost or uncreated the energy took it upon itself to create the collective, she has so much power that she managed to depower herself. A reality warper would have one of the easiest times using the reality gem, since they already know what the gem can do, it won't be a new power for proteus it will be a boost to what he can already do. If wanda did create and sustained the chaos wave all proteus has to do is warp reality to create meggan since she stopped it.

HOM was not an illusion. She changed reality itself, and she gave lyla miller the power to let people regognise the changed reality. The choas wave came from her. Many comics afterwards support this. Shadow king himself said that a cosmic whim caused cracks in all realities.

Wanda switches off the x-gene in Proteus and ages him 60 years in a heartbeat gem or no gem.

Proteus for the easy win

Dont listen to the hype-this wanda that wanda...30 years plus of wanda and in 6 months they use her for their mutant shutoff machine and i am supposed to be impressed...if we were to use the rules of this site it would not be a long enough time to use her WAY over the top reality powers...which she needed xavier for

The thread specifies a defined period of time at which Wanda's powers on panel far surpassed anything Proteus has ever done, and during which she was the one that resurrected him and gave him his powers.

She used Xavier to know people's desires - which was redundant anyway considering during that period she could have just given herself his telepathy.
Quicksilver provided the motivation, being somewhat insane she wasn't particularly focussed.
The underlying power was hers.

Proteus has never been able to warp reality beyond a localized region and his warps have never been permanent with reality refolding itself afterwards. To reiterate again, she was the one who resurrected him and gave the resurrected version its powers. Unless someone has some evidence that possessing the Reality Gem in and of itself would expand his powers to a universal level and of permanence, and that Proteus who has never been particularly bright could even use the gem properly, he loses by a multitude of ways.

yes a Proteus victory is assured against regular Wanda
fp/ bloodlusted Wanda is another matter entirely.

Funny is that wanda can use her powers to their best,even if she is insane and for whatever reason she needed help...but proteus will not know how to use the gem..funny huh

Proteus would destroy her while she wept for her brother to help

And he'd accomplish that how exactly? Longshot's very local and uncontrolled ability to alter probabilities shields him from Proteus' powers. The Scarlet Witch. Altering probabilities.

There's nothing to suggest his localized control would supersede hers. Thus there's nothing to suggest she couldn't just turn his powers off, as she did when she immobilized Magneto or like she did when she removed the mutation from the majority of the mutant population. There's nothing to suggest she couldn't turn his host body into metal destroying him. There's nothing to suggest that what Wanda remade, she can't just unmake - in fact she did this to the reality - and turn Proteus back into nothingness.

The only trump card he has here is the Reality Gem - with nothing from anybody to suggest it would amplify his abilities to the extent required to match her scope of power.

So basically there's what exactly to suggest he'd win? Oh that's right, nothing.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And he'd accomplish that how exactly? Longshot's very local and uncontrolled ability to alter probabilities shields him from Proteus' powers. The Scarlet Witch. Altering probabilities.

There's nothing to suggest his localized control would supersede hers. Thus there's nothing to suggest she couldn't just turn his powers off, as she did when she immobilized Magneto or like she did when she removed the mutation from the majority of the mutant population. There's nothing to suggest she couldn't turn his host body into metal destroying him. There's nothing to suggest that what Wanda remade, she can't just unmake - in fact she did this to the reality - and turn Proteus back into nothingness.

The only trump card he has here is the Reality Gem - with nothing from anybody to suggest it would amplify his abilities to the extent required to match her scope of power.

So basically there's what exactly to suggest he'd win? Oh that's right, nothing.

Only the thing called the reality gem

There is everything to suggest the reality gem would give proteus the advantage and then some,lets not belittle the gem so wanda can get a win...alfred with the reality gem with the rules of the site would beat wanda

What a lovely non-answer. The rules of the site don't dictate Proteus has complete control of the Gem. In this thread he possesses it.

The Gem as an artifact is powerful, very powerful, in the hands of someone who knows how to use it properly, and knows how to use it properly in absence of the other Infinity Gems.

Proteus with no prior knowledge of the Gem, or how to use it, or how to use it in absence of the other Gems, and relatively dim, does what against the reality warper who remade him as she unmakes him as casually as she did her other creations back into nothingness - as casually as she did her reality of her own creation?

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What a lovely non-answer. The rules of the site don't dictate Proteus has complete control of the Gem. In this thread he possesses it.

The Gem as an artifact is powerful, very powerful, in the hands of someone who knows how to use it properly, and knows how to use it properly in absence of the other Infinity Gems.

Proteus with no prior knowledge of the Gem, or how to use it, or how to use it in absence of the other Gems, and relatively dim, does what against the reality warper who remade him as she unmakes him as casually as she did her other creations back into nothingness - as casually as she did her reality of her own creation?

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Do you really think wanda can effect the user of the reality gem? are you really saying that wanda can bypass it and effect the user -a user who is a reality warper? Stop playing with words and rules,why give him the gem if he cant use it to its fullest ?proteus from his first appearence was a monster now we have (svfl) hom wanda and she will just beat him? i would entertain a stalemate scenario that might be what actually happens,but with the reality gem backing proteus she wont touch him,and if its debateable if he can touch her-thats where the logic pays off

Btw-this proteus is not one created by wanda(did the threadstarter say so?)

Characters are most recent unless otherwise specified. HoM Scarlet Witch is specified. Proteus is the most recent, i.e. remade by HoM Scarlet Witch. He has the Reality Gem, and none of the other Gems, and it isn't stated he's given any knowledge of it.

The Collector didn't know how the gem actually worked and Thanos only learned how to use it after seeing the Reality Nexus, iirc. You can't use the Reality Gem properly without knowledge of how it works, you can't use the Reality Gem to its extent without the other Gems, and at the very least the Power Gem should be used with it, afaik.

I'm unaware of what on panel says that simply possessing the Gem without knowing how to use it at all would make Proteus immune to reality manipulation by a warper of inherently superior scope - the selfsame reality warper who remade him in the first place.

Proteus sans Reality Gem isn't even a debate whatsoever.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Characters are most recent unless otherwise specified. HoM Scarlet Witch is specified. Proteus is the most recent, i.e. remade by HoM Scarlet Witch. He has the Reality Gem, and none of the other Gems, and it isn't stated he's given any knowledge of it.

The Collector didn't know how the gem actually worked and Thanos only learned how to use it after seeing the Reality Nexus, iirc. You can't use the Reality Gem properly without knowledge of how it works, you can't use the Reality Gem to its extent without the other Gems, and at the very least the Power Gem should be used with it.

I'm unaware of what on panel says that simply possessing the Gem without knowing how to use it at all would make Proteus immune to reality manipulation by a warper of superior scope - the selfsame reality warper who remade him in the first place.

Proteus sans Reality Gem isn't even a debate whatsoever.
What you are failing to realize is that a user of a gem can subconciously tap the power of a gem when They resemble the users own powers. In case. Drax and the Runner. Proteous is already a high lvl skilled reality warper. SO the reality gem in his hands would be monstrous. He's a psi, who can just read the minds of someone like Reed from a planet away to realize the full potential. But in essence he already knows how to reality warp to the fullest. The gem only backs him up and makes him nearly unbeatable. I'd say stalemate or wanda gets turned into bricks. She isn't messing witht he power of the Gem in the hands of a premier reality warper. Look what the runner could do not knowing what the hell he had. And look how powerful Drax and Thor were not even trying to tap the power gem. Proteus isn't going to fall.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Characters are most recent unless otherwise specified. HoM Scarlet Witch is specified. Proteus is the most recent, i.e. remade by HoM Scarlet Witch. He has the Reality Gem, and none of the other Gems, and it isn't stated he's given any knowledge of it.

The Collector didn't know how the gem actually worked and Thanos only learned how to use it after seeing the Reality Nexus, iirc. You can't use the Reality Gem properly without knowledge of how it works, you can't use the Reality Gem to its extent without the other Gems, and at the very least the Power Gem should be used with it, afaik.

I'm unaware of what on panel says that simply possessing the Gem without knowing how to use it at all would make Proteus immune to reality manipulation by a warper of inherently superior scope - the selfsame reality warper who remade him in the first place.

Proteus sans Reality Gem isn't even a debate whatsoever.

So where is this recent proteus now? i would rather hear from the thread starter than you,i get the feeling that somwhere in your logic that somthing is amiss, wanda has 6 months(real world) of unprecidented power and all of a sudeen she is superior? i would say she is just as bad as spidey beating firelord..what have we seen after the hom series? which as you point out is the wanda we are using,she needed xavier period.keep making excuses for her

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What you are failing to realize is that a user of a gem can subconciously tap the power of a gem when They resemble the users own powers. In case. Drax and the Runner. Proteous is already a high lvl skilled reality warper. SO the reality gem in his hands would be monstrous. He's a psi, who can just read the minds of someone like Reed from a planet away to realize the full potential. But in essence he already knows how to reality warp to the fullest. The gem only backs him up and makes him nearly unbeatable. I'd say stalemate or wanda gets turned into bricks. She isn't messing witht he power of the Gem in the hands of a premier reality warper. Look what the runner could do not knowing what the hell he had. And look how powerful Drax and Thor were not even trying to tap the power gem. Proteus isn't going to fall. Proteus is a highly localized-scale temporary reality warper, who fails to affect people that alter probability, whose powers essentially translate to manipulation of matter and energy on a subconscious level to produce an effect.

Thanos has matter and energy manipulation abilities, not of Proteus level of course, but didn't innately know how to use the Gem. Without knowing the nature of the Gems, without possessing any of the other Gems and knowing of the Reality Nexus etc. why would Proteus be able to use it, and why would he be able to use it to the extent suggested?

The Reality Gem isn't the Space Gem, and isn't the Power Gem, and isn't as simple to use as any of the other Gems, particularly in absence of any of the other Gems.

There isn't any basis whatsoever that he'd suddenly be a universal level reality warper.

And Proteus has never shown that level of telepathy.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Proteus is a highly localized-scale temporary reality warper, who fails to affect people that alter probability, whose powers essentially translate to manipulation of matter and energy on a subconscious level to produce an effect.

Thanos has matter and energy manipulation abilities, not of Proteus level of course, but didn't innately know how to use the Gem.

The Reality Gem isn't the Space Gem, and isn't the Power Gem, and isn't as simple to use as any of the other Gems, particularly in absence of any of the other Gems.

There isn't any basis whatsoever that he'd suddenly be a universal level reality warper.

And Proteus has never shown that level of telepathy.

First off. Proteus is a REALITY warper. He's not Thanos. Thanos has no reality warping power. Thanos is a matter manipulator. very big Difference. Proteus is also far superior in his skill of warping reality than Wanda. Wanda has shown more powerful but hasn't shown that much skill. She did most of what she did as by product or subconcious. ANd I know the reality gem isn't the space or power gem. But Proteous isn't the runner or drax. both of whom he could defeat easily and he's more skilled at his powers than they are.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Proteus is a highly localized-scale temporary reality warper, who fails to affect people that alter probability, whose powers essentially translate to manipulation of matter and energy on a subconscious level to produce an effect.

Thanos has matter and energy manipulation abilities, not of Proteus level of course, but didn't innately know how to use the Gem.

The Reality Gem isn't the Space Gem, and isn't the Power Gem, and isn't as simple to use as any of the other Gems, particularly in absence of any of the other Gems.

There isn't any basis whatsoever that he'd suddenly be a universal level reality warper.

And Proteus has never shown that level of telepathy.

What is the difference what area of effect they have? its one on one fight..your explanation of proteus power added to the reality gem make it even more in proteuses favor, who cares about wanda scale of power..it was global..her chaos wave which she does not even controll is another story

And as for you remark about an non answer...i think you have been neglecting the debating portion of this site for too long..stick to the off topic threads and such it seems to be better suited for you,in my opinon

Though i understand the course of your argumentation quite well, xmarksthespot, i must say that nvrbeenwthagirl has a point nonetheless. The reality gem might be hard to handle for someone who's not proficient in using the powers it provides because those powers are new to him/her, but Proteus IS already a very proficient reality warper, nomatter the exact specifications (which are rather speculatative btw). The gem won't force him to learn something completely new, it will simply expand his powers.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
First off. Proteus is a REALITY warper. He's not Thanos. Thanos has no reality warping power. Thanos is a matter manipulator. very big Difference. Proteus is also far superior in his skill of warping reality than Wanda. Wanda has shown more powerful but hasn't shown that much skill. She did most of what she did as by product or subconcious. ANd I know the reality gem isn't the space or power gem. But Proteous isn't the runner or drax. both of whom he could defeat easily and he's more skilled at his powers than they are. The facet of reality that is time is beyond Proteus innate control, the spiritual facet is beyond his control, the facet of the mind is technically beyond his reality manipulating control although he has some telepathic abilities. All he's ever shown with his reality warping is to manipulate matter and energy.

She had displays of both vast scope, and local skill, despite being mentally unstable.

Originally posted by starlock
So where is this recent proteus now? i would rather hear from the thread starter than you,i get the feeling that somwhere in your logic that somthing is amiss, wanda has 6 months(real world) of unprecidented power and all of a sudeen she is superior? i would say she is just as bad as spidey beating firelord..what have we seen after the hom series? which as you point out is the wanda we are using,she needed xavier period.keep making excuses for her HoM is specified. Other incarnations are irrelevant. SvFL? Gibberish.Originally posted by starlock
What is the difference what area of effect they have? its one on one fight..your explanation of proteus power added to the reality gem make it even more in proteuses favor, who cares about wanda scale of power..it was global..her chaos wave which she does not even controll is another story

And as for you remark about an non answer...i think you have been neglecting the debating portion of this site for too long..stick to the off topic threads and such it seems to be better suited for you,in my opinon He tries an ad hominem and fails. My remark about a non-answer was in response to a non-answer. Wanda created reality designated -58163. As has been shown on panel in multiple books both during and after HoM. At the very least nvr is bringing forth a somewhat plausible argument with references to other occurrences regardless if I may disagree.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The facet of reality that is time is beyond Proteus innate control, the spiritual facet is beyond his control, the facet of the mind is technically beyond his reality manipulating control although he has some telepathic abilities. All he's ever shown with his reality warping is to manipulate matter and energy.

She had displays of both vast scope, and local skill, despite being mentally unstable.

You haven't convinced me. These facets of reality that you are focusing on such as spiritual and time are non factors. That is what those gems are for. The reality gem basically focuses on making things what they are and what they are not. Proteous wins this.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He has the Reality Gem, and none of the other Gems, and it isn't stated he's given any knowledge of it. That's pretty weak, imo..

If it is not to be assumed that Proteus has full knowledge of the Gem, then this is spite in Wanda's favor.



HOM Wanda, NO Chaos Wave

vs.

Proteus with full control over the Reality Gem,



Would be a close battle imo.

Wanda may be a Universal warper, but if Rune could stop all time in the Universe with just the Time Gem,

I think it's fair to assume that Proteus should be able to use the Reality Gem Universally as well.



I still give Wanda the win, I'm just giving Proteus credit where credit is due.

Originally posted by Galan007
That's pretty weak, imo..

If it is not to be assumed that Proteus has full knowledge of the Gem, then this is spite in Wanda's favor. I didn't make the thread. I'm just taking what's there which isn't much.
Originally posted by Galan007
HOM Wanda, NO Chaos Wave

vs.

Proteus with full control over the Reality Gem,

Would be a close battle imo.

Wanda may be a Universal warper, but if Rune could stop all time in the Universe with just the Time Gem,

I think it's fair to assume that Proteus should be able to use the Reality Gem Universally as well.

I still give Wanda the win, I'm just giving Proteus credit where credit is due. With control of the Reality Gem I'm sure it would be close, and I'd probably even give him the win over her - however I don't really think that's a given.

The premise of most of the arguments were however "He has the Reality Gem, he wins." with no consideration whatsoever.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I didn't make the thread. I'm just taking what's there which isn't much.True.

But like I said, if we aren't to assume that Proteus has full control over the Gem, then this is utter spite in Wanda's favor.

That's where I was coming from.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
however I don't really think that's a given. If it's not a given then Wanda wins no contest, .

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The premise of most of the arguments were however "He has the Reality Gem, he wins." with no consideration whatsoever. Again, this is true.

I saw a lot of that type of "argument" whilst skimming through this thread.... I just felt the urge to throw in my 2 cents lol.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You haven't convinced me. These facets of reality that you are focusing on such as spiritual and time are non factors. That is what those gems are for. The reality gem basically focuses on making things what they are and what they are not. Proteous wins this. I wasn't focusing on them. You said Proteus manipulates reality. He does, but only the facets that make things "what they are and what they are not." He manipulates matter and energy. Being able to manipulate matter and energy, to me, doesn't equate to suddenly having full knowledge of what the Reality Gem can do and being able to use it in absence of the other Gems safely and/or to its extent, nor am I aware of where simply possessing the Gem, without knowledge of what it does, and having a limited scale power to temporarily manipulate either matter and/or energy, amplified either and/or both of these abilities to a gargantuan level (although if this has been shown, open invitation to feel free to correct).Originally posted by Galan007
But like I said, if we aren't to assume that Proteus has full control over the Gem, then this is utter spite in Wanda's favor.Not according to some...

P.S. going to sleep, wee small hours.

Proteus doesn't need full range of the Gem. he only needs his already massive power and skill lvl to be backed by themight of the gem. Wanda isn't all that skilled to me. Reed witht he Reality Gem would give wanda a hard time. Proteous with the Gem is insane. I'm giving him 7/10.

I guess my biggest problem here is that we are using Wanda's most powerful version, thus rendering any of her former, showings/limitations, irrelevant.

Yet we are limiting Proteus in saying that he doesn't have full , knowledge of the Reality Gem?


Double standard?

Originally posted by Galan007
I guess my biggest problem here is that we are using Wanda's most powerful version, thus rendering any of her former, showings, irrelevant.

Yet we are limiting Proteus in saying that he doesn't have full , knowledge of the Reality Gem?

I can't stand double standards. 'Tis true. And would equate to spite. But unless the threadstarter comes back to specify otherwise that's all the OP would imply, imo.

If so then it probably may equate to a stalemate, he still lacks the power gem to back it, nor any of the other gems to control it properly. Additionally Wanda innately can reality manipulate aspects of reality such as mind, time and soul, which he can't.

Okay really sleep time now.

Originally posted by Galan007
I guess my biggest problem here is that we are using Wanda's most powerful version, thus rendering any of her former, showings/limitations, irrelevant.

Yet we are limiting Proteus in saying that he doesn't have full , knowledge of the Reality Gem?


Double standard?

he doesn't need any understanding. Think about it. Look what The Runner and Drax could do with thier gems. Proteus only need subconciously pull from the reality gem to make his power permanant. By the very nature of his powers sincing with the gem, He'd be very hard for wanda to beat. Think of it this way, What would Extant be able to do with the TIme gem? powers that Sinc are always greater than the sum of thier parts.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
he doesn't need any understanding. Think about it. Look what The Runner and Drax could do with thier gems. Proteus only need subconciously pull from the reality gem to make his power permanant. By the very nature of his powers sincing with the gem, He'd be very hard for wanda to beat. Think of it this way, What would Extant be able to do with the TIme gem? powers that Sinc are always greater than the sum of thier parts. The Reality Gem is the hardest Gem to comprehend.

Just because Runner could move really fast with the Space Gem, or Drax got really strong with the Power Gem, doesn't mean that Proteus can comprehend the very fabric of Universal Reality, with no former knowledge of that type of power.

Originally posted by Galan007
The Reality Gem is the hardest Gem to comprehend.

Just because Runner could move really fast with the Space Gem, or Drax got really strong with the Power Gem, doesn't mean that Proteus can comprehend the very fabric of Universal Reality, with no former knowledge of that type of power.

He doesn't need to. Wanda for sure as hell doesn't. ALL he needs to do is be skilled at his power lvls being boosted. He has already shown to be the Superior Reality Warper of the Two. Wanda does shit unknowingly and subconciously. Most of the effects of her power are by products and not any thing she concentrated on.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He doesn't need to. Wanda for sure as hell doesn't. ALL he needs to do is be skilled at his power lvls being boosted. He has already shown to be the Superior Reality Warper of the Two. Wanda does shit unknowingly and subconciously. Most of the effects of her power are by products and not any thing she concentrated on. What you said is true regarding the Chaos Wave.

But Wanda has impressive control over her Universal Warps.

Originally posted by Galan007
What you said is true regarding the Chaos Wave.

But Wanda has impressive control over her Universal Warps.
Of which only the earthyone had any lasting affects correct? I just think that anyone who can warp reality that syncs with the reality gem wins. Rather or not if they know the intracate details of the gem is irrevelant. Proteous remakes reality now. You think he knows the details of how or why he does it or is able to? Nope. I know how to run well. You think I need to know all the muscles that work, how they work together, and all those details? Nope. Knowing how to use the tool effectively and with great skill doesn't mean you have to know how the tool works. I.E. a race car driver isn't a mechanic. Guess who can use the car better?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Of which only the earthyone had any lasting affects correct? She was warping the 616 Universe, numerous times throughout this thread].

Originally posted by Galan007
She was warping the 616 Universe, numerous times throughout this thread].

What did she do that Lasted? Thru out the universe?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What did she do that Lasted? Thru out the universe? It didn't "last" because she put everything back how it was, .

Originally posted by Galan007
It didn't "last" because she put everything back how it was, .

I want to see the warps that were on purpose. Becuz if they weren't on purpose then putting everything back wasn't on purpose either.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I want to see the warps that were on purpose. Becuz if they weren't on purpose then putting everything back wasn't on purpose either. "She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" "AGAIN"!!!
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg

"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5289/wanda3pi5.th.jpg

"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/355/wanda4iu5.th.jpg

Originally posted by starlock
Only the thing called the reality gem

There is everything to suggest the reality gem would give proteus the advantage

and then some,

To begin with, the Reality Gem is extremely difficult to manipulate.

The Reality Gem, alone,
does NOT give the wielder Universal control,
NOT even pocket Dimension control.

So much for the Reality Gem making a difference.


On the other hand,

Wanda Resurrected Proteus,

Wanda GAVE Proteus his powers.


Why is this being ignored.

Originally posted by starlock
lets not belittle the gem so wanda can get a win...

You don't know anything about the Reality Gem, do you.

Originally posted by starlock
alfred with the reality gem with the rules of the site would beat wanda

This is when one knows, one is wasting their time in a debate.

Originally posted by starlock
Do you really think wanda can effect the user of the reality gem?
are you really saying that wanda can bypass it and effect the user -a user who is a reality warper?

Why are you debating something you obviously know nothing about.

You're just looking silly.


Again,

The Reality Gem ALONE, does NOT give a localized Warper Universal influence,

no matter how good you can manipulate it.

Wanda Re-created the entire 616 Universe,
her power was unwittingly collapsing the Omniverse.

Wanda accelerated Genis' potential, made him blink the Universe in and out of existence.

Wanda gave Layla Miller the power to peer into Divergent Realities.

Wanda made X-Vaier, Wicked and many more, more powerful.

And on and on...

Originally posted by starlock
Stop playing with words and rules,why give him the gem if he cant use it to its fullest ?

Wouldn't make a difference.

Originally posted by starlock
proteus from his first appearence was a monster now we have (svfl) hom wanda and she will just beat him?

Ohh,

Proteus has Warped a few city blocks before,

The Reality will make him all powerful.


Wanda FTW, in a curbstomp.

Originally posted by starlock
i would entertain a stalemate scenario that might be what actually happens,but with the reality gem backing proteus she wont touch him,and if its debateable if he can touch her-thats where the logic pays off

Wanda FTW, in a nasty stomp.

Originally posted by starlock
Btw-this proteus is not one created by wanda(did the threadstarter say so?)

That would make it even easier for Wanda.

Wanda made him more powerful.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Characters are most recent unless otherwise specified. HoM Scarlet Witch is specified. Proteus is the most recent, i.e. remade by HoM Scarlet Witch. He has the Reality Gem, and none of the other Gems, and it isn't stated he's given any knowledge of it.

The Collector didn't know how the gem actually worked and Thanos only learned how to use it after seeing the Reality Nexus, iirc. You can't use the Reality Gem properly without knowledge of how it works, you can't use the Reality Gem to its extent without the other Gems, and at the very least the Power Gem should be used with it, afaik.

I'm unaware of what on panel says that simply possessing the Gem without knowing how to use it at all would make Proteus immune to reality manipulation by a warper of inherently superior scope - the selfsame reality warper who remade him in the first place.

Proteus sans Reality Gem isn't even a debate whatsoever.



Always on point, X.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What you are failing to realize is that a user of a gem can subconciously tap the power of a gem when They resemble the users own powers. In case. Drax and the Runner.

I think you failed to Read one Comic that involve the Reality Gem.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Proteous is already a high lvl skilled reality warper.

Bull shit ... so early?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
SO the reality gem in his hands would be monstrous.



Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He's a psi, who can just read the minds of someone like Reed from a planet away to realize the full potential.

Wanda can turn Proteus into a Mouse, from a Universe away.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But in essence he already knows how to reality warp to the fullest.
The gem only backs him up and makes him nearly unbeatable.

hysterical2

Read Comics, before debating.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'd say stalemate or wanda gets turned into bricks.
She isn't messing witht he power of the Gem in the hands of a premier reality warper.

sign23

"premier reality warper?"

Shapoer of Worlds would a god of gods, if this punk is a "premiere Reality warper."


Where do you get thyis garbage from?

Oh that's right, you make shit up as you go along.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Look what the runner could do not knowing what the hell he had. And look how powerful Drax and Thor were not even trying to tap the power gem. Proteus isn't going to fall.

You have the circimstances mixed up,

because you know Nothing about the Reality Gem.

The Reality Gem is a class of it's own.

Ofcourse, I don't expect you to know that.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The Reality Gem isn't the Space Gem, and isn't the Power Gem, and isn't as simple to use as any of the other Gems, particularly in absence of any of the other Gems.

There isn't any basis whatsoever that he'd suddenly be a universal level reality warper.

And Proteus has never shown that level of telepathy.

Originally posted by wannabe
The gem won't force him to learn something completely new, it will simply expand his powers.

This expansion will never reach a Universal scale.

Nuff said.

Meanwhile, Wanda plays dice with the 616 Universe,

and collapses the Omniverse if she uses her powers.


Now who wins?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Proteus is also far superior in his skill of warping reality than Wanda.



You are comedy.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Wanda has shown more powerful but hasn't shown that much skill.

She did most of what she did as by product or subconcious.

Ahh, bull shit ...

Wanda was collapsing the Omniverse subconsciously,

but Wanda Warped the entire 616 Universe fully aware and conscious.

Go Read Comics.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This expansion will never reach a Universal scale.

Nuff said.

Meanwhile, Wanda plays dice with the 616 Universe,

and collapses the Omniverse if she uses her powers.


Now who wins?

Give it a break Mr Master,your arrogance just makes people ignore whatever you say, your opinon is all that is needed in a debate so you gave it

Originally posted by Galan007
Wanda may be a Universal warper,
but if Rune could stop all time in the Universe with just the Time Gem,

I think it's fair to assume that Proteus should be able to use the Reality Gem Universally as well.

I have to disagree.

Unfortunately,

the Time Gem was sentient, and was helping Rune manipulate it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Wanda does shit unknowingly and subconciously.
Most of the effects of her power are by products and not any thing she concentrated on.

Still with the bull shit ey?

You don't give up, do you?

Read Comics duke.

Originally posted by starlock
Give it a break Mr Master,your arrogance just makes people ignore whatever you say, your opinon is all that is needed in a debate so you gave it

You're better off as my Sock,

than trying to debate.

When you stop making claims out of your bottom,

I'll reply seriously, when you and the other clueless joe stop posting non-existent gibberish, then have the odacity to try and insult the poster that's presenting real info from Comics, yall are gonna learn we've had enough of that garbage, just like Bran and others are fed up.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're better off as my Sock,

than trying to debate.

Really,this coming from a person who says read comics hehe

Did you read the comic where onslaught and jean fought in the astral plane and you made the remark about onslaught crushing the phoenix force?
where you said you did not read it but made a mistake(lie)

Or the comics where quasar had cosmic awareness for two issues and you claimed he had it blah blah blah for the sake of an argument you squirmed for three pages on? oh another mistake(lie)

Give it up,keep trying to keep your language clean and be a grown up for a change,and you could try and hold back on the arrogance...but i think thats a lost cause

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're better off as my Sock,

than trying to debate.

When you stop making claims out of your bottom,

I'll reply seriously, when you and the other clueless joe stop posting non-existent gibberish, then have the odacity to try and insult the poster that's presenting real info from Comics, yall are gonna learn we've had enough of that garbage, just like Bran and others are fed up.

"we've had enough lol bran and others lol"

Oh really i think its you who are gonna learn as you have by cleaning up your act heheh,oh i am sure you have plenty of warnings sent to you from fed up moderators, just keep it up i would love to see bran(did he not change his name on here lol) back you up in lies and such it will be entertaining

I fail to see many people who can manipulate reality as well as proteus. Whether they are local or universal, he has never been resisted has he? I dont' have all of his fights, but from what I remember, he could do anything he wanted to. So What's stopping him from tapping the Reality gem and being that much harder to beat? It doesn't matter if wanda resurrected him. The created can be more powerful than the creator with the right circumstances. The fury comes to mind.

Originally posted by starlock
Really,this coming from a person who says read comics hehe

Did you read the comic where onslaught and jean fought in the astral plane and you made the remark about onslaught crushing the phoenix force?
where you said you did not read it but made a mistake(lie)

Or the comics where quasar had cosmic awareness for two issues and you claimed he had it blah blah blah for the sake of an argument you squirmed for three pages on? oh another mistake(lie)

Give it up,keep trying to keep your language clean and be a grown up for a change,and you could try and hold back on the arrogance...but i think thats a lost cause

Typical Gibberish from a Sock.

Those points have been handled.

Originally posted by starlock
"we've had enough lol bran and others lol"

Oh really i think its you who are gonna learn as you have by cleaning up your act heheh,oh i am sure you have plenty of warnings sent to you from fed up moderators, just keep it up i would love to see bran(did he not change his name on here lol) back you up in lies and such it will be entertaining

blahblah

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I fail to see many people who can manipulate reality as well as proteus. Whether they are local or universal, he has never been resisted has he? I dont' have all of his fights, but from what I remember, he could do anything he wanted to. So What's stopping him from tapping the Reality gem and being that much harder to beat?

Wanda FTW in a stomp.

Proteus w/Reality Gem, will never have the scale of power Wanda had, never.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It doesn't matter if wanda resurrected him.
The created can be more powerful than the creator with the right circumstances. The fury comes to mind.

True, but the Fury was not more powerful than it's creator,
the Fury was more indestructible.

Why?

Because his creator was a true "premiere" Reality Warper.
His creator's wish, was for the Fury to be indestructible,
since his creator controlled Reality, his wish became Reality.

His creator should have placed that power upon himself if you ask me.


But in this case,

Wanda did not make Proteus more powerful than herself.

Proteus is a flea next to Wanda.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wanda FTW in a stomp.

Proteus w/Reality Gem, will never have the scale of power Wanda had, never.




True, but the Fury was not more powerful than it's creator,
the Fury was more indestructible.

Why?

Because his creator was a true "premiere" Reality Warper.
His creator's wish, was for the Fury to be indestructible,
since his creator controlled Reality, his wish became Reality.

His creator should have placed that power upon himself if you ask me.


But in this case,

Wanda did not make Proteus more powerful than herself.

Proteus is a flea next to Wanda.

You are using Proteous on his own. which is dumb. He's got the reality gem. The gem on it's own could match wanda. If not in scope, in control. Wanda is the united states and proteus with the gem is vietnam. Size and scope doesn't matter. He's better at manip than she is and the gem just adds to it. Plus she's a loon.

Scale of power means nothing here,they have to try and engage eachother so whats the point? is this a contest to see who can manipulate more and who can manipulate farther?

Thanos resurected Mar-vell with the reality gem so enough with what wanda can resurect

Can wanda manipulate proteus with the reality gem=no
Proteus would make her cry for her briother,he is a scary manipulator that would have her scared to death, added to his power would be the reality gem and thats where he dominates her

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You are using Proteous on his own. which is dumb. He's got the reality gem. The gem on it's own could match wanda. If not in scope, in control.

Well then,

this isn't going anywhere, you're still stuck on mis-info.

Have fun.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Wanda is the united states and proteus with the gem is vietnam. Size and scope doesn't matter.

Whatever.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He's better at manip than she is and the gem just adds to it.

If you want to willfully ignore the facts about the Reality Gem, go right ahead.

The debate is pointless now.

It's like you forcing yourself to think the Hulk can fly.

Originally posted by starlock
Scale of power means nothing here,they have to try and engage eachother so whats the point? is this a contest to see who can manipulate more and who can manipulate farther?

Thanos resurected Mar-vell with the reality gem so enough with what wanda can resurect

Can wanda manipulate proteus with the reality gem=no
Proteus would make her cry for her briother,he is a scary manipulator that would have her scared to death, added to his power would be the reality gem and thats where he dominates her

nuts

Have fun,
you two have alot in common.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Correct.

Wanda was sustaining and fueling the Chaos Waves's momentum with her own power subconsciously.

(which means without control)

Can you show me where its stated that Wanda was subconsciously sustaining and fuelling the waves momentum? No talk, just an on panel statement.

The Chaos Wave was leakover of Wandas reality warp through a hole she unknowingly made in the dimensional wall of 616. If Storm filled a dam to its capacity with water then went about her business. If during the process she unknowingly caused a crack in the dams wall and that water spilled out causing chaos to the surroundings, could i then turn around and credibly present as fact, the idea that Storm subconsiously sustained and fueled the momentum of the leaking water if there wasnt a single on panel statement or artistic depiction stating that point?


Originally posted by Mr Master
BUT,

Wanda Remade Earth 616, this Warp cracked a hole in the Walls of Causality,
Wanda's Warp began to spread through the hole and across the 616 Universe,
it soon engulfed the 616 Universe and cracked countless Walls in-between UniverseS,
ultimately collapsing them.

So youre saying Wanda unkowingly cracked a hole in the side of the universe, which lead to the warp leaking out. The leaking warp then doubled back round and also spread out across the 616 universe?

Ummm where did you get this from? On top of that the Chaos Wave was a trans temporal tsunami that went around eroding dimensional walls, causing the universe in the middle to collapse resulting in complete chaos and nonsense within. Where did we see any evidence of a manifestation of this type occurring in 616?

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4911350329.jpg


I would of thought that if the Chaos Wave also spread through 616 as you claim then the other heroes would have mentioned it in the main HOM title or any 616 title for that matter.

Going back to my Storm/Dam analogy, if there was a crack in the dam, why on Earth would the unleashed water be flowing back in the damn and across it?

Wanda created the HOM reality warp on Earth 616 as stated on panel. Thats what she warped to her imagination. The Chaos Wave was a different manifestation altogether and it most certainly did not spread over 616. The Chaos Wave was leakover. The leakover of Wandas warp resulted in a different manifestation to what Wanda had created within 616.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Well then,

this isn't going anywhere, you're still stuck on mis-info.

Have fun.



Whatever.



If you want to willfully ignore the facts about the Reality Gem, go right ahead.

The debate is pointless now.

It's like you forcing yourself to think the Hulk can fly.

I'm not willfully ignoring anything. I'm just knowing that Proteous for the purpose of the thread must have knowlege of the gem or be tapping it subconciously to acceptible lvls for there to even be a thread. Or why would the thread starter make a thread where the gem is useless. Reality warp for the win. proteous uses the gem to take wanda's crazyness away. let's see how powerful she is in her right mind? Right. She would lose. She hasn't done anything worthy while she's sane.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Can you show me where its stated that Wanda was subconsciously sustaining and fuelling the waves momentum? No talk, just an on panel statement.

The Chaos Wave was leakover of Wandas reality warp through a hole she unknowingly made in the dimensional wall of 616. If Storm filled a dam to its capacity with water then went about her business. If during the process she unknowingly caused a crack in the dams wall and that water spilled out causing chaos to the surroundings, could i then turn around and credibly present as fact, the idea that Storm subconsiously sustained and fueled the momentum of the leaking water if there wasnt a single on panel statement or artistic depiction stating that point? So youre saying Wanda unkowingly cracked a hole in the side of the universe, which lead to the warp leaking out. The leaking warp then doubled back round and also spread out across the 616 universe?

Ummm where did you get this from? On top of that the Chaos Wave was a trans temporal tsunami that went around eroding dimensional walls, causing the universe in the middle to collapse resulting in complete chaos and nonsense within. Where did we see any evidence of a manifestation of this type occurring in 616?

I would of thought that if the Chaos Wave also spread through 616 as you claim then the other heroes would have mentioned it in the main HOM title or any 616 title for that matter.

Going back to my Storm/Dam analogy, if there was a crack in the dam, why on Earth would the unleashed water be flowing back in the damn and across it?

Wanda created the HOM reality warp on Earth 616 as stated on panel. Thats what she warped to her imagination. The Chaos Wave was a different manifestation altogether and it most certainly did not spread over 616. The Chaos Wave was leakover. The leakover of Wandas warp resulted in a different manifestation to what Wanda had created within 616.

Gibberish.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm not willfully ignoring anything. I'm just knowing that Proteous for the purpose of the thread must have knowlege of the gem or be tapping it subconciously to acceptible lvls for there to even be a thread. Or why would the thread starter make a thread where the gem is useless. Reality warp for the win. proteous uses the gem to take wanda's crazyness away. let's see how powerful she is in her right mind? Right. She would lose. She hasn't done anything worthy while she's sane.

More gibberish.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Even more gibberish.

you do this of course all the time when you are getting your ass kicked. Or dont' you remember when you said I was talking giberrish and ripping you apart for your weaker universes theory. LMAO.

Wanda was the CAUSE of the Chaos Wave, that Roma could Not Ascertain

Wanda was Generating the Chaos Wave.


Wanda Remade the 616 Reality

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again"
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg





Wanda was Driving the Chaos Wave into other Realities, like when it hit OtherWorld
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/9890/w1eb1.th.jpg
"it is the End ... of ALL that is ... of ALL that will Ever be"

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/9553/w2hq1.th.jpg




THIS SAME Chaos Wave brought back Jaspers 616 from another Plane of Reality
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5383/w8xw6.th.jpg



THIS SAME Chaos Wave is referred to as "Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp" in the Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe v5 2006.




In THREE separate Bios



1. "During the Scarlet Witch's 'House of M' Reality Warp, Jaspers Reformed alive merged with the Fury"
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1703/w9kr2.th.jpg
(excerpt from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe)




2. "Mad Jim Jaspers has also returned, brought back to life by the Scarlet Witch's recent Reality Warp"
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8717/w10rk2.th.jpg

And as I presented above, it was the Chaos Wave that manifested Jaspers 616 from another Plane. (he was dead)




3. Wanda gave Layla the power to "Perceive Divergent Realities"
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/5967/w10ej7.th.jpg

"Layla showed Cage glimpses of his life prior to the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp"

Originally posted by Mr Master
Just nvrhadaclue, being himself.

Now prove that proteous couldn't put wanda in her right mind and she loses immediately. you can't. I have won this debate.

"We are witnessing a Trans-Temporal Tsunami, ORIGINATING from Earth 616

apparently there has been a Alteration of global proportions that has Breached the Walls of Causality"

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/7540/sc7qm2.th.jpg

there's a "Breach in the Walls of Causality"...

that was caused by a "global Alteration" ...

and there's a "Trans-Temporal Tsunami" going through the "Breach" into other Realities ...



The "Trans-Temporal Tsunami" is the Chaos Wave,



Now what's Causing that?


Roma has no idea what's CAUSING that, as she continues to say,

"the Localized Effects are so Severe, I am UNABLE to Ascertain the Cause"
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/979/62157068rw3.th.jpg

Hence the OHOTMU 2006, telling us it was the "Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp"



The "Trans-Temporal Tsunami" is coming from the 616 Reality,

guess what's happening in the 616 Reality?


"Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp"

More conclusive PROOF that the Chaos Wave was Wanda's Power.


(from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006 Saturnyne bio)
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/748/w1ka9.th.jpg
"She (Saturnyne) was later present on Otherworld

when Dimension-616 was Engulfed in the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp ...



Saturnyne showed little hesitation in suggesting destroying 616 to Prevent the Warp SPREADING"



Here is that scene On Panel,


Satynyne talking about the Chaos Wave or as the Official Bio puts it,

the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/223/15473921vq0.th.jpg
"Your Dimension is a Cancer, bringing Devastation to Branes ALL ALONG the SIDEREAL STRING ... Sparing Yours condemns the REST"





http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9752/sc8bk1.th.jpg
"If the breach is not sealed, the Chaos Wave will continue to expand,
perhaps to the ASCENTION itself"



Roma threatens to erase the 616 UNIVERSE in 48 hours,
if Captain Britain and company can't seal the (Chaos Wave) breach:

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4218/sc9vq6.th.jpg

Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp

HoM Wanda Aftershock



With the line "No More mutants",

Wanda managed to shift Reality causing cracks across "ALL" Realities.

Allowing the Shadow King to slip back into the 616 universe.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3397/newexcalibur08page20ra5.th.jpg






Balasco from his Realm sees Two siblings (Magneto & Wanda)

"Force ALL of Reality to CHANGE"

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/2091/newxmenkryptoniawezz037vi5.th.jpg






"She changed the World once huh?"

"Yes, ... but She Altered ALL of Reality"

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8204/wandainmsmlq7.th.jpg

Wanda was sustaining and fueling the Chaos Waves's momentum with her own power subconsciously.

(which means without control)


BUT,

Wanda Remade Earth 616, this Warp cracked a hole in the Walls of Causality,
Wanda's Warp began to spread through the hole and across the 616 Universe,
it soon engulfed the 616 Universe and cracked countless Walls in-between UniverseS,
ultimately collapsing them.

The Second time Wanda altered Reality, she Warped the 616 Universe according to Beak.

The Third time (no more Mutants) Wanda Remade Reality, she Re-created the entire 616 Universe this time back to it's normalacy, with the small change of eliminating the power of 90% of all the Mutants.




Wanda is a Universal Power,

but she is also an unwitting Omniversal power,

because she can collpase the Omniverse by excersing her power at a Global level,
which was the scale of her First Warp.

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616 ... again"
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/7489/25824670nb5.th.jpg



"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5289/wanda3pi5.th.jpg



"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/355/wanda4iu5.th.jpg






(from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006 Saturnyne bio)
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/748/w1ka9.th.jpg
"She (Saturnyne) was later present on Otherworld

when Dimension-616 was Engulfed in the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp ...



Saturnyne showed little hesitation in suggesting destroying 616 to Prevent the Warp SPREADING"





Here is that scene On Panel,




Satynyne talking about the Chaos Wave or as the Official Bio puts it,

the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp:

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/223/15473921vq0.th.jpg
"Your Dimension is a Cancer, bringing Devastation to Branes ALL ALONG the SIDEREAL STRING ...

Sparing Yours condemns the REST"



swank

Once again Mr Master tries to bury my post with a ton of his reposts because he wants to keep it hidden from as many eyes as possible. People open your eyes!! lol

I've just posted scans of Heather from the Exiles using her multiversal scanner to look at 616 and she determines that Wanda warped JUST EARTH 616 and also that she only warped reality twice and both were GLOBAL changes.

First time was to bring HOM about in the first place. Second time was the no more mutants change.

Heres what he tried to hide:

Originally posted by Mr Master
Correct.

Wanda was sustaining and fueling the Chaos Waves's momentum with her own power subconsciously.

(which means without control)

Can you show me where its stated that Wanda was subconsciously sustaining and fuelling the waves momentum? No talk, just an on panel statement.

The Chaos Wave was leakover of Wandas reality warp through a hole she unknowingly made in the dimensional wall of 616. If Storm filled a dam to its capacity with water then went about her business. If during the process she unknowingly caused a crack in the dams wall and that water spilled out causing chaos to the surroundings, could i then turn around and credibly present as fact, the idea that Storm subconsiously sustained and fueled the momentum of the leaking water if there wasnt a single on panel statement or artistic depiction stating that point?


Originally posted by Mr Master
BUT,

Wanda Remade Earth 616, this Warp cracked a hole in the Walls of Causality,
Wanda's Warp began to spread through the hole and across the 616 Universe,
it soon engulfed the 616 Universe and cracked countless Walls in-between UniverseS,
ultimately collapsing them.

So youre saying Wanda unkowingly cracked a hole in the side of the universe, which lead to the warp leaking out. The leaking warp then doubled back round and also spread out across the 616 universe?

Ummm where did you get this from? On top of that the Chaos Wave was a trans temporal tsunami that went around eroding dimensional walls, causing the universe in the middle to collapse resulting in complete chaos and nonsense within. Where did we see any evidence of a manifestation of this type occurring in 616?

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4911350329.jpg


I would of thought that if the Chaos Wave also spread through 616 as you claim then the other heroes would have mentioned it in the main HOM title or any 616 title for that matter.

Going back to my Storm/Dam analogy, if there was a crack in the dam, why on Earth would the unleashed water be flowing back in the damn and across it?

Wanda created the HOM reality warp on Earth 616 as stated on panel. Thats what she warped to her imagination. The Chaos Wave was a different manifestation altogether and it most certainly did not spread over 616. The Chaos Wave was leakover. The leakover of Wandas warp resulted in a different manifestation to what Wanda had created within 616.

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616 ... again"
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/7489/25824670nb5.th.jpg



"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5289/wanda3pi5.th.jpg



"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/355/wanda4iu5.th.jpg






(from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006 Saturnyne bio)
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/748/w1ka9.th.jpg
"She (Saturnyne) was later present on Otherworld

when Dimension-616 was Engulfed in the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp ...



Saturnyne showed little hesitation in suggesting destroying 616 to Prevent the Warp SPREADING"





Here is that scene On Panel,




Satynyne talking about the Chaos Wave or as the Official Bio puts it,

the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp:

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/223/15473921vq0.th.jpg
"Your Dimension is a Cancer, bringing Devastation to Branes ALL ALONG the SIDEREAL STRING ...

Sparing Yours condemns the REST"

whistling

Same old Mr Master getting owned again and again
Scans galore to cover up his ownedge,simple smiles and just a one word wonder-gibberish

Wow i almost feel bad for you...almost

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616 ... again"
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/7489/25824670nb5.th.jpg



"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5289/wanda3pi5.th.jpg



"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/355/wanda4iu5.th.jpg






(from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006 Saturnyne bio)
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/748/w1ka9.th.jpg
"She (Saturnyne) was later present on Otherworld

when Dimension-616 was Engulfed in the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp ...



Saturnyne showed little hesitation in suggesting destroying 616 to Prevent the Warp SPREADING"





Here is that scene On Panel,




Satynyne talking about the Chaos Wave or as the Official Bio puts it,

the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp:

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/223/15473921vq0.th.jpg
"Your Dimension is a Cancer, bringing Devastation to Branes ALL ALONG the SIDEREAL STRING ...

Sparing Yours condemns the REST"



whistling

Wanda Remade Earth 616, this Warp cracked a hole in the Walls of Causality,

Wanda's Warp began to spread through the hole and across the 616 Universe,

it soon engulfed the 616 Universe and cracked countless Walls in-between UniverseS,

ultimately collapsing them.



The Second time Wanda altered Reality, she Warped the 616 Universe according to Beak.



The Third time (no more Mutants) Wanda Remade Reality, she Re-created the entire 616 Universe this time back to it's normalacy, with the small change of eliminating the power of 90% of all the Mutants.




Wanda is a Universal Power,

but she is also an unwitting Omniversal power,

because she can collpase the Omniverse by excersing her power at a Global level,
which was the scale of her First Warp.








HoM Wanda Aftershock



With the line "No More mutants",

Wanda managed to shift Reality causing cracks across "ALL" Realities.

Allowing the Shadow King to slip back into the 616 universe.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3397/newexcalibur08page20ra5.th.jpg






Balasco from his Realm sees Two siblings (Magneto & Wanda)

"Force ALL of Reality to CHANGE"

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/2091/newxmenkryptoniawezz037vi5.th.jpg






"She changed the World once huh?"

"Yes, ... but She Altered ALL of Reality"

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8204/wandainmsmlq7.th.jpg

Desperate times mate

Wanda hype machine taken down!!!!!!!! blowup

Originally posted by starlock
Same old Mr Master getting owned again and again
Scans galore to cover up his ownedge,simple smiles and just a one word wonder-gibberish

Wow i almost feel bad for you...almost

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Desperate times mate

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Wanda hype machine taken down!!!!!!!! blowup

Another bookmark event, i must save this for sure

Originally posted by starlock
Another bookmark event, i must save this for sure

Me too. Straight to my "favourites" for future reference.

Originally posted by Mr Master


Mr Master is that a sense of humor? i think i might start to like you..i actually laughed with you

Originally posted by starlock
Mr Master is that a sense of humor?

Well I can't lie, yall make me laugh.

Originally posted by starlock
i think i might start to like you..i actually laughed with you

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Me too. Straight to my "favourites" for future reference.

I just got a warm fuzzy feeling.

proteus for the win. imo wandas not beating any one with a infinity gem let alone the reality gem.

was it not an incompleat gauntlet that owned the UN which remade the multiverse?

proteus made logan cry not maney people can claim that!

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I just got a warm fuzzy feeling.

Are you getting your ass tickeld?

This isn't the place.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
proteus made logan cry not maney people can claim that!

It's time to exit this thread.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It's time to exit this thread.

Cmon man he put an eek( ) smile after that dont try and make it seem like he was totally serious.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Are you getting your ass tickeld?

This isn't the place.

Funny that that would come to your mind. Maybe you are one of us?

To be honest, this is a good fight, even if proteus didnt have the gem it would be a good fight to me. Proteus never showed a limit. Proteus could have affected the world but he never tried to do that, he actually never had a reason to do that.

Proteus has never shown a sign to struggle to accomplish anything, so who is to say that he wont be able to affect the world with his power. The problem in this fight is that wanda is powerful as hell and has like one of the most highest feats in 616 universe and could just wipe proteus off the face of the planet (if he didnt know that it was coming).

I think that proteus with the power gem has the power to cancel out wanda powers from affecting him and the same can be said for wanda. I really dont know who would win but it is a good fight. By the way it was stupid as hell to say that proteus has the power gem but dont know how to use it. Why would the threadster give someone a power and not give them the ability to use it.

Wanda was sustaining and fueling the Chaos Waves's momentum with her own power subconsciously.

(which means without control)



BUT,


Wanda Remade Earth 616, (a Global Warp)
this Warp cracked a Breach in the Walls of Causality within the 616 Universe,

Wanda's Warp began to spread through the Breach, (Chaos Wave)

and across the 616 Universe, (Re-creating it)

it soon engulfed the 616 Universe and destroyed countless Walls in-between
UniverseS,

ultimately collapsing them.




The Second time Wanda altered Reality,
she Warped the 616 Universe according to Beak.




The Third time (no more Mutants) Wanda Remade Reality, she Re-created the entire 616 Universe this time back to it's normalacy, with the small change of eliminating the power of 90% of all the Mutants.





Wanda is a Universal Power,

but she is also an unwitting Omniversal power,

because she can collpase the Omniverse by excersing her power at a Global level,

which was the scale of her First Warp.

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again"
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg





(from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006 Saturnyne bio)
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/748/w1ka9.th.jpg
"She (Saturnyne) was later present on Otherworld

when Dimension-616 was Engulfed in the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp ...

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/223/15473921vq0.th.jpg





http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/2091/newxmenkryptoniawezz037vi5.th.jpg
"Force ALL of Reality to CHANGE"







http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8204/wandainmsmlq7.th.jpg
"She changed the World once huh?"

"Yes, ... but She Altered ALL of Reality"








http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3397/newexcalibur08page20ra5.th.jpg

With the line "No More mutants",

Wanda managed to shift Reality causing cracks across "ALL" Realities.

Allowing the Shadow King to slip back into the 616 universe.






shrug

(from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006 Saturnyne bio)
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/748/w1ka9.th.jpg
"She (Saturnyne) was later present on Otherworld

when Dimension-616 was Engulfed in the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp ...



Saturnyne showed little hesitation in suggesting destroying 616 to Prevent the Warp SPREADING"





Here is that scene On Panel,




Satynyne talking about the Chaos Wave or as the Official Bio puts it,

the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/223/15473921vq0.th.jpg
"Your Dimension is a Cancer, bringing Devastation to Branes ALL ALONG the SIDEREAL STRING ...

Sparing Yours condemns the REST"



hum

Didn't you post all this shit before? It's like you repeat post over and over as if that is going to suddenly make your argument any more valid.

Meggan can stop the chaos wave all on her lonesome!!!!!! Wandas reailty warp did not hold and then she said no more mutants, all she did was take their power which caused it to manifest in another way. If all you need is a certain level of understanding to control one of the gems then why would a reality warper have any problems understanding a gem that mimics his powers no matter what the level is?

Meggan didn't stop the Chaos Wave, she slowed its progress by harnessing immense power, long enough for the others to seal the tear.

The Reality Gem is not as simple as the Space Gem or the Power Gem. It requires the other Gems to be used properly and to its power, and it requires knowledge to use it. No one has shown anything to imply that simply possessing the Gem, without any knowledge of how to use it or its purpose, would amplify Proteus' abilities to manipulate the aspects of reality that are matter and energy, when others possessed of the Gem without said knowledge and with such abilities have not shown such amplification afaik. Nor shown that in simply possessing the Gem, with no knowledge of how to use it, he would be protected from being unmade by his maker.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Whether they are local or universal, he has never been resisted has he? Longshot. Stated thrice already. Once more for good measure. Longshot.

On the topic of Earth-616 as opposed to Reality-616 the terms are interchangeable. All of Marvel's alternate realities are given a designate of Earth-###. Age of Apocalypse is Earth-295, Days of Future Past is Earth-811, Here Comes Tomorrow is Earth-15104 and House of M is designated Earth-58163. All are alternate realities.

Whatever X is saying, I'll go ahead and say the opposite.

Originally posted by batdude123
Whatever X is saying, I'll go ahead and say the opposite. Boo, you whore.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Boo, you whore.

It's not my fault that in my job, I meet interesting people everyday and have close reactions with them, whereas you're stuck in a mundane job working in a cubicle all day long. mhm

Originally posted by Mr Master
I challenge anyone to find the term Reality 616 in that issue,
except for the ONE time Beak used it to describe Wanda Warping the 616 Universe.

When Heather is talking about Earh 616 and it's events,
it's because that's the way they call ALL the UniverseS they come across.

This cat doesn't read Exiles so he wouldn't know.

Check out any Exiles issue when they're talking about a specific Universe,
they term it Earth 742, Earth 6441, Earth 614 and so on ...


Anyhow, what's interesting is,

the only time it's called Reality 616, is when Wanda is Warping it.




Meaningless.

That's just summerising what happened to Beaks source of interest,
which happenes to be Earth 616.

This is no way restricts Wanda's Warp to the Earth, there is FAR too much PROOF screaming at us, Wanda Re-Created the 616 Universe and everything in it.



This is a complete fallacy.

No where in these scans does it mention ANYTHING about Wanda warping just the Earth, or it being global or any suggestion of any kind as to what happened in the previous scans with Beak.

Anyone is free to check out your tricks.

Its a such a shame that Heather flat out states that it was the WORLD that Scarlet Witch warped therefore revealing to us the context with which she was using the term "Earth 616". Here Heather is beyond reality, using her multiversal scanners and she doesnt refer to how Scarlet Witch warped the universe, or the reality of 616. She refers to how it was EARTH 616 and it was the WORLD.


http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/6/17613595565.jpg


http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/6/17613595567.jpg

This is in line with Romas comments that it was a GLOBAL alteration.

On top of that, in the What If series, it features the Watcher of 616 chronicling events across the multiverse which diverge from 616.

In the recent What If featuring the Disassembled Avengers, the Beast spearheads a plan to stop Wandas rampage. In this reality, she is defeated before she gets to say "No More mutants". At the end, when she is killed (along with Cap America who had secretly lost his mind and was in on the whole thing) Dr Strange uses the eye of Agamotto to scan all other realities to see what could have been if Beast hadnt intervened:

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/6/17712414771.jpg

If Beast hadnt intervened, then Wandas rampage would have come to an end without the need for Wanda or Caps death (and therefore would have been in line with what happened in 616)

The key points are that the Eye Of Agamotto, (which scans across the multiverse) discovers that

a) in all other(other than this "What If" therefore including 616) realities it was just a peaceful WORLD that Pietro convinced Wanda to create.

b) In all other realities her subsequent reality warping just ridded the world of the mutant gene

c) In all other realities, the transformations were GLOBAL

"In ALL other realities her GLOBAL transformations"

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4913594088.jpg



So to sum it up. I have the omniversal guardian Roma stating that Wandas changes were GLOBAL

I have Heather scanning the multiverse and stating that the interference she had reading the 616 reality was caused by Wanda warping the WORLD

You have the Eye of Agamotto scanning across the multiverse and determining that in all other realities the Scarlet Witch JUST warped the world to create House of M and that ALL her changes in ALL other realities were GLOBAL.

GAME

SET

MATCH

GS.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its a such a shame that Heather flat out states that it was the WORLD that Scarlet Witch warped therefore revealing to us the context with which she was using the term "Earth 616". Here Heather is beyond reality, using her multiversal scanners and she doesnt refer to how Scarlet Witch warped the universe, or the reality of 616. She refers to how it was EARTH 616 and it was the WORLD.


http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/6/17613595565.jpg


http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/6/17613595567.jpg

This is in line with Romas comments that it was a GLOBAL alteration.

On top of that, in the What If series, it features the Watcher of 616 chronicling events across the multiverse which diverge from 616.

In the recent What If featuring the Disassembled Avengers, the Beast spearheads a plan to stop Wandas rampage. In this reality, she is defeated before she gets to say "No More mutants". At the end, when she is killed (along with Cap America who had secretly lost his mind and was in on the whole thing) Dr Strange uses the eye of Agamotto to scan all other realities to see what could have been if Beast hadnt intervened:

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/6/17712414771.jpg

If Beast hadnt intervened, then Wandas rampage would have come to an end without the need for Wanda or Caps death (and therefore would have been in line with what happened in 616)

The key points are that the Eye Of Agamotto, (which scans across the multiverse) discovers that

a) in all other(other than this "What If" therefore including 616) realities it was just a peaceful WORLD that Pietro convinced Wanda to create.

b) In all other realities her subsequent reality warping just ridded the world of the mutant gene

c) In all other realities, the transformations were GLOBAL

"In ALL other realities her GLOBAL transformations"

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4913594088.jpg



So to sum it up. I have the omniversal guardian Roma stating that Wandas changes were GLOBAL

I have Heather scanning the multiverse and stating that the interference she had reading the 616 reality was caused by Wanda warping the WORLD

You have the Eye of Agamotto scanning across the multiverse and determining that in all other realities the Scarlet Witch JUST warped the world to create House of M and that ALL her changes in ALL other realities were GLOBAL.

GAME

SET

MATCH

GS.

Excellent work.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Excellent work.

Thank you.

I just looked back at the Cosmic Extant thread where i stomped Emmie over that Phoenix is the Big Bang issue. Its not cool how they all ganged up on you like that.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thank you.

I just looked back at the Cosmic Extant thread where i stomped Emmie over that Phoenix is the Big Bang issue. Its not cool how they all ganged up on you like that.

Yeah. And I was pretty much right. Just becuz I didn't have the scans, doesn't mean I didnt' know what I was talking about. They think that ganging up and Master burying good points in scans and his respect threads is cool.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Wanda hype machine taken down!!!!!!!! blowup

Fun times..Fun times

Originally posted by starlock
Fun times..Fun times

Uh-huh lol

Watch someone come in here, call my posts rubbish and then hide them all by posting his tired argument i've already handled, over and over again.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Watch someone come in here, call my posts rubbish and then hide them all by posting his tired argument i've already handled, over and over again.

That would not surprise me....and btw he will call it Gibberish

Originally posted by starlock
That would not surprise me....and btw he will call it Gibberish