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Has anyone heard/seen gods reference the Presence or TOAA at all in your readings? I guess what I'm getting at is, has anyone ever heard someone like Odin or Zues acknowledge the more poweful, higher, God?

The LT and Spectre are the only ones I know of who aknowledge an absolute supreme creature (LordAo too but I don't know if it happened in the comic series)

Not only has God been referenced in comics, but he has been shown/depicted as well...






Marvel:

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DC:

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this doesn't seem to be about whether god, in the biblical sense, exists, but rather whether gods, in the mythological sense, recognize his existence.

Originally posted by Disappear
this doesn't seem to be about whether god, in the biblical sense, exists, but rather whether gods, in the mythological sense, recognize his existence.

The mythic gods seem to be aware of Abstracts but I don't think any of them have talked about supreme beings.

The Endless mention powers "above themselves" that they don't like to talk about, which could be a reference to the Presence. And when the Spectre goes searching for God, Zeus and Ares both acknoweldge that a greater god than them exists. uhhh.... and also in Lucifer, the Chinese Gods recognize the Presence.

Originally posted by tjcoady
The Endless mention powers "above themselves" that they don't like to talk about, which could be a reference to the Presence. And when the Spectre goes searching for God, Zeus and Ares both acknoweldge that a greater god than them exists. uhhh.... and also in Lucifer, the Chinese Gods recognize the Presence.

In Marvel:


"The Living Tribunal is said his Power is Supreme in ALL the Multiverse"

Even I, the Son of the mighiest of gods of all,
find it impossible to conceive of such levels of power"

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/6564/lt19vm3.th.jpg

"Tis a humbling thought to consider
how much greater still
the power of the Creator of all Universes
must be than that of all of his creations combined"

Originally posted by Mr Master
In Marvel:


"The Living Tribunal is said his Power is Supreme in ALL the Multiverse"

Even I, the Son of the mighiest of gods of all,
find it impossible to conceive of such levels of power"

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/6564/lt19vm3.th.jpg

"Tis a humbling thought to consider
how much greater still
the power of the Creator of all Universes
must be than that of all of his creations combined"
Wait I don't get it, was the Living Tribunal just stated to be supreme?

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http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4379/fantasticfourannual2647no2.th.jpg

Explanation of infinite power would belong here I think.

If you go by non canon Amalgam, the supreme God's of all creation (Both Marvel and DC) are the pre-retconned Brothers.

After all while The-One-Above-All is represented by one editor/writer, one Brother was represented by the entire working staff.

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lucifer morningstar and micheal demigourge acknowledge the presance. So does the spectre

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The mythic gods seem to be aware of Abstracts but I don't think any of them have talked about supreme beings.

I love your sig.

Who's in it?

Originally posted by llagrok
I love your sig.

Who's in it?

Prometheus (why does everyone keep asking that?)

In Lucifer he meets the Presence

Originally posted by Mider999
lucifer morningstar and micheal demigourge acknowledge the presance. So does the spectre
Or do they

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4666/lucifer75p34py1gz7.th.jpg

here's one

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/862/thorv202808ur9.jpg

Originally posted by muss
here's one

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/862/thorv202808ur9.jpg

He could easily be talking about Gimili which is a heaven above even Asgard that appears in Norse myth.

Originally posted by Disappear
this doesn't seem to be about whether god, in the biblical sense, exists, but rather whether gods, in the mythological sense, recognize his existence.

Kinda my intention of the thread.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Explanation of infinite power would belong here I think. Not really.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
In Lucifer he meets the Presence Not the Presence per say,

But rather Vertigo's version of God, .

Thanos u realize that everything during there talk was to try to get Lucifer to rejoin with yhwh/the presence right?

Others are the Lords of Order and The Word

Thanks for your input fellas.

Originally posted by kevdude
Thanos u realize that everything during there talk was to try to get Lucifer to rejoin with yhwh/the presence right?

Others are the Lords of Order and The Word

Presence: True, I'm inifnite and eternal but even I was shaped by forces external to me. You know what they are.

It seems like you're overlooking the inner depht

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Presence: True, I'm inifnite and eternal but even I was shaped by forces external to me. You know what they are.

It seems like you're overlooking the inner depht You talk about things you know nothing about.

That was Vertigo's God, , not the Presence from the mainstream DCU.

Originally posted by Galan007
You talk about things you know nothing about.

That was Vertigo's God, , not the Presence from the mainstream DCU.
I never said it was ...

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I never said it was ... You referred to Yahweh as the Presence..

Since he's not usually referred to as such in the Vertigo titles, I'm sure you can see how someone might assume you were talking about the Presence from the mainstream DCU. doped

Originally posted by Galan007
You referred to Yahweh as the Presence..

Since he was never referred to as such in the Vertigo titles, I'm sure you can see how someone might assume you were talking about the Presence from the mainstream DCU. doped
Oh yes but he have been refered to as the Presence in Vertigo as well.

http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=7423553&postcount=252

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Oh yes but he have been refered to as the Presence in Vertigo as well. Again,

Yahweh in Vertigo, and the Presence in DC are 2 separate entities, .


DC's Presence and Marvel's TOAA is who this thread is mainly dedicated to.

Yes, but you said that he'd never been refered to as Presence, obviously you were mistaken.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Yes, but you said that he'd never been refered to as Presence, obviously you were mistaken. You want to see mistaken?

Let's look at any DC related thread you post in.



Kthxbye.. doped

Originally posted by Galan007
You want to see mistaken?

Let's look at any DC related thread you post in.



Kthxbye.. doped
Nice way to cover it up ... Did I hit a nerve?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Nice way to cover it up ... Did I hit a nerve? Not at all.

I just think it's amusing that you of all people would talk about someone else being mistaken, lol.



Anyhow,

This has gone way off topic.

Both Odin and Thor have acknowledged the Judeo-Christian God, and as far superior to themselves.

I remember PC Earth 2 Wonder Woman in Crisis on Two Earths proclaiming (on mention of the New Gods) that she only knows of the Gods of Olympus and the One "True" God or something like that.

JLA: Heaven's Ladder (Spoilers ahead) had an alien race collecting different belief systems and holding multiple worlds on a gigantic chain so they could formulate their own faith from looking at the range of interplanetary beliefs. A representative who most accurately represented understanding or faith of that planet was chosen to be part of the system that would make up their hybrid belief in preparation for death.

At the same time Batman is investigating a murder and the presence of an umberella and book by the victim makes Batman think that the Penguin is most likely the murderer. A philosophy student from Earth is chosen by the aliens. Whilst the other JLA members help the alien race, a virus enters their system. Batman discovers that the murdered victim was carrying a Bible with his umberella (he was a missionary) and was in fact the true representative for Earth. The philosophy student was the virus. The reveal is too late and the virus enters the system.

So the alien race accidentally create Satan and the JLA are forced to defeat him.

The entire story never addresses a God directly and initial reading of the story might even suggest and atheistic approach to the storyline, that beliefs are merely constructions. However JLA: Heaven's Ladder could also be read as an analogy for the Biblical story of the fall of man, thus suggesting a God within the DCU, albeit a very different God from Judeo-Christian beliefs.

Well, the Preacher and DC "God" is actually kind of, well, almost what some people might call a blasphemous portrayal. Comics are kind of insensitive to real-life religious beliefs, making God either weaker than mortals, or an insane cannibal, or someone that can be easily overthrown by a rebel villain. It's actually tiresome to me, believe it or not, personally...in the end, it all depends on the writers and how THEY choose to portray God.

I see the Marvel God as this: The writer itself. When someone asks if the evil crazy villain can "overthrow" God, I kind of just think to myself, well, can anything written by the writer "overthrow" the writer? Well, of course not. The One-Above-All is the Supreme Being in the Marvel Multiverse, but the references to him are somewhat vague. He IS a confirmed character, though, in the Handbooks.

And, yes, the Tribunal HAS mentioned Him numerous times, and by other characters as well. For all intents and purposes, though there will always be some people who might possibly argue this, TOAA is the "God" of Abrahamic religions. Thanos, in The End, after gaining power enough to wipe out the Tribunal (thus only from ONE possible source), was literally using terms such as "Lord Almighty" and "divine authority" and he, Eternity, and Warlock were using the capital "He". I strongly doubt this refers to just any cosmic entity or mythological deity...

I am, however, somewhat curious. Did anywhere the Tribunal mention EXPLICITLY say something like, "I serve the One-Above-All?"