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The Tree of Knowledge.

The second phase of creation is where we have living/breathing creatures and the two halves of the universe are now symbolized in these creatures. They also have the same image as the universe, namely a spirit/breath as the one half, and the visible body as the other half.
The idea is to finally create the human specie that can pluck knowledge for the entire universe.
You now know and understand what this garden in Eden is. As we explained, Eden is not a garden itself, but a garden was planted in Eden in the east of Eden.
There were “trees” that came up out of the “soil” in the garden, symbolizing your five senses.
These senses/trees are: the sense of feeling (touch), the sense of smell, the sense of taste, the sense of hearing and the sense of sight. These senses act as your husband, called man. We can also call the senses the soul.
(As you know by now, we can explain any happening from seven (7) different corners, and the following explanation is described through another eye of God, where Adam = your husband/spirit/breath, and Eve = your body, the female/flesh.

This husband/senses, are spirits to protect, to advance, to bring knowledge to you, and to keep you alive, and the body on her turn should keep the spirit alive in an eternal cycle, same as the universe that kept itself alive, where earth generated heaven and heaven generated earth, the same will be in future.


What is this tree of knowledge in the midst of the garden that God forbid us to eat from?
The tree of knowledge is your eyes.
If you measure your face from your chin, to the top of your head, you will find that your eyes are situated exactly in the middle of your face (the garden in Eden)

Therefore the tree in the midst of the garden is your eye, the tree of knowledge. Gen.2: 17.

I am sure that everybody will agree that all knowledge enters through the windows of your eyes. Also death enters through the same window. See Jerm 9: 21.
Therefore; the bible says you will die if you eat of the tree of sight.
We will explain later what the tree of life is.

Let us now see what the bible says about this tree.
Gen 3: 6 when the woman SAW that the tree was good for food and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired, to make one WISE/GIVE KNOWLEDGE, she took the fruit…
It can’t be clearer than this – do you agree? - Do you understand?
For the first time in the existence of the creation God now reveals this mystery of the tree of knowledge although it is actually very simple to understand. Church has never had the slightest clue what this tree is and ignored it like all the other things they don’t understand.

Verse 6 continued … she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat and gave also unto her husband with her (the spirit in her) and he did eat.
You can now understand that the husband has no choice as to eat what his wife gives him to eat it is logic.

The tree = the eye and the tree bears the fruit.

I say: The fruit of the tree is in your eyes sight
Your eyes bears the fruit that you eat
Your eyes bears the fruit of death
Your eyes bears the fruit of knowledge
Further: The fruit of the eye is pleasant
Gen. 3:6 The fruit of the eye makes you wise
The fruit of the eye is good for food
The fruit of the eye brings death
The fruit of the eye brings desire
The fruit of the eye brings knowledge
If you had no eyes you would not die. IT IS BECAUSE you have eyes that you die.
You might now say; this is nonsense because why would God want to kill me?
Read further and you will understand.

The same day you eat the fruit of the eye, that same day you will die. Gen 2: 17
This “same day” is the sixth day, the day in which the human lives.
All humans were born on the sixth day and will die on the sixth day, disappear, never to return or appear again.
Why? Because you will receive a new body as promised by Jesus/ Mohamed and other prophets, and human would have gained enough knowledge about the visible for the universe, for husband and wife.
Human gained knowledge ONLY of the visible on the sixth day; we will gain knowledge of the spiritual (heaven) on the seventh day.

The human body as we know it, is a temporary body designed only to last for one day, and that day is the sixth day

and so we are to harvest the knowlege of the universe. but why then whould the devil tempt the women to eat the fruit

Hmmm interesting take on that.

Originally posted by yogert
and so we are to harvest the knowlege of the universe. but why then whould the devil tempt the women to eat the fruit

the devil = the human body and it was the human body with it's eyes who tempted us to eat this fruit of knowledge, knowledge of bad and good. the whole idea was to eat the fruit, but while you eat the fruit you are mortal and die on the same sixth day, we are still on the sixth day. we are now only one hour away from the sevent day where you will receive immortallity, because you will now be able to understand the truth. one hour in biblical formula = 41,666 years.
the husband of human can be summed up as; your mind/brain and if the human body eat this fruit it is just logic that the husband (the so-called adam) also ate because the eyes are directly connected to the brain, it cant denie the food the that the eyes produce to the brain/husband.

Who is Eden?

Eden is your physical body described from one angle; let us see if I can prove this to you.

Gen 2: 8 and the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden.
Therefore: Eden is NOT a garden, but a “garden was planted” in Eden. This garden being your five senses or your brain/face. Eastward is your face, where all of your senses meet in your brain. East is the front of your body.

The Hebrew meaning of garden is: to fence or guard or protect (the senses are there to protect us) therefore the garden is symbolized by your senses.

Verse 8 continued: and there (in the garden) He put the man who He (already) had formed, for the bible says God first created man and then the woman, a body for the man.
Verse 15: the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden in Eden (your face) to dress it and to keep it.
What does this mean?
Dress (Hebrew) = to advance, accomplish, become, bear, bestow, bring forth, prepare, enslave, keep in bondage, execute, husbandman, servant, worshipper and many more, but it speaks for itself, namely to “evolve” the human body.

To keep = to preserve (until the resurrection, until we are intelligent enough to find the way to defeat the guard of the tree of eternal life)
I can assure you the way/road is now open.

We can therefore say the garden is your head/face, and God put this spiritual man/husband in your head/face/garden to be your husband/man to advance the human body (to bring it to perfection) and to keep it alive eternally, to feed it spiritually.

Verse 10: and a river went out of Eden (your body) to water the (this) garden (in your face)

River (Hebrew) = a stream, to sparkle, to be cheerful.

To water (Hebrew) = to irrigate, cause to drink, (to supply) semen (seeds) Water is a symbol of spirit.

It is clear from this that Eden, the human body, must feed the husband/man/spirit with knowledge (from the eye/seeds) and keep him alive to sparkle and be cheerful and to supply semen.

Verse 10 continues: and from thence (the garden/face/your head) it was parted, and became into four heads (streams).

The four heads = your spinal cord, your veins, your nose or breathing channel and your gullet.

Verse 11: the name of the first is Pison, that is it, which compasseth the whole land Havilah, where there was gold.

Pison (Hebrew) = fast flowing, scattered, disperse, to spread.

Havilah (Hebrew) = circular, twist or whirl, in a circular or spiral manner, it also implicates feeling of pain, fear, grief, hope etc.

This clearly describes your brain, spinal cord, nerve system, which is fast flowing, scattered, circular, a circle, spiral etc, too and from the brain and to make you aware of pain for instance.

Verse 13: the name of the second river is Gihon. The same is it that campasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

Gihon (Hebrew) = a fountain, to gush forth, a stream, a river of paradise.

Ethiopia (Hebrew) = territory (meaning the one in command.)

This is your heart as the fountain, and the veins through your body (a circulatory system) your soul is in your blood – your “river” of paradise – happiness. Also your blood/heart is the one in “command”.

Verse 14: the name of the third river is Hiddekel, which is it that goes toward the east of Assyria.

Hiddekel (Hebrew): to sting, prickly plant (the lungs look like the leafs of a prickly plant), and big river.

Assyria (Hebrew): to be straight, collect or inhabitant

Clearly this describes your respiratory system (air pipe and lungs, which run in the front of your body, namely the east = your front.)

Verse 14 continues: and the fourth river is the Euphrates.

Euphrates (Hebrew) = to break forth, rushing, river on the east, grow, increase, bring forth.

This is your digestive system (gullet, intestines and stomach that feeds/grow)

These “river” systems/organs feed the garden in Eden (your body).
I say; your body feeds your spirits and the spirits are there to protect and advance you.

Verse 9: out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food, the tree of life also in the midst of the garden and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Out of the ground means “out of the body” that’s created out of soil/ground.

These trees are your five senses – sense of sound, sight, taste, smell, and touch. All of them connected to the brain (in the garden.)

However, let me add this:
The tree of knowledge of good and evil was not guarded; humans have the “free choice” to eat the fruit of this tree. All of us still eat this fruit each and every day.


Now you can understand and agree that Eve was not driven out of Eden, because Eden is Eve, your physical body.

according to the bible Eve gave birth to Cain a husband and married him.

Cain, the spirit of the eye of all visible creatures.
The Meaning of Cain is: to erect & create – to procure – recover – redeem - to own – attain – buy – teach – provoke – jealousy - posses and out of evil.
The meaning of Eve is: a living place – life giver
The meaning of Eden is: (similar to Eve, because it symbolize the same) Delightful-paradise (for man/spirit) – adornment.

Therefore Gen 4: 17 Cain this new spirit, knew his wife (impregnated her) and she (Eve) conceived and gave birth to Enoch.

Let us now look at the descendants of Cain after he impregnated his mother, and she conceived and gave birth to Enoch.


The meaning of Enoch is a diversion of a mortal being.
After the birth of Enoch, his father Cain built a city with this same name, which means the earthly creatures became mortal/ die.
The meaning of City in this respect (Hebrew) = opening the eyes, to wake (be aware, get wise) to lift up, a guard, a watch, an angel, wakefulness, bearing a burden.
The city was in the east of Eden your face and the description of the place of the city is your forehead, in the front part of your brain.
This creature Enoch was the first step, the first creature “to manufacture” the modern, intelligent human specie as of today, developed over millions of years.

This spiritual husband Cain, “sitting in your forehead”, the front of your brain, placed you in a deep sleep (Gen 2: 21) and is the first step to breathe the breath of life into your nostrils, to become a living soul Gen 2: 7, for you are Adam/Man and Eve in one body, called human, soul or Adam. Adam (we) could only go into this deep sleep after the plucking of the fruit of knowledge.
Enoch, this mortal creature, could only make sounds of; sigh, groaning, and mourning. This sound is described as the sound of a lizard. The word Enoch is described as a male person, a single being. He was bisexual, hermaphroditic, an amphibious being.
He impregnated “ himself “ and Irad was born.

The first life were all bisexual creatures and most of them multiplied by way of eggs. They were also dumb, meaning they had no hearing and no sound. Hearing and sound were developed only after the sea creatures started to come on dry land. It is logic because the creatures in the sea did not had a need for these two senses.

The meaning of Irad is diversions of words like: a fugitive, to sequester it self, a wild ass, a naked creature, (he had no hair.)
Irad impregnated himself and begat Mehujael. But it would be clearer to say Irad “evolved” into Mehujael or as the bible say, to the kind of Mehujael.
The meaning of Mehujael is deviations of words like: smitten of God, to stroke or rub, to erase, to smooth as if with oil, to touch, to blot out, to reach out, utterly (supposedly a speech of mimics). Also to have lots of marrow (a nervous system developed)
It’s clear that this was an ape like creature.
This is the reason why “humans” were fruit and herb bearing seedeaters before (Gen; 1: 29) and only later they became meat eaters when they evolved further.
Further the meaning of Mehujael implicates: they, this, those, them, these.
This animal started to reason, be aware of things and its surroundings.

Mehujael impregnated itself and begat Methusael.
The meaning of Methusael is diversions of words like: a missile of attack, dart or spear, an adult of full length, a man, to extend, long, to stretch out, spread out, grow longer and a biter.
He started to walk upright, he is a “ biter with teeth “; he uses his teeth to eat, probably meat or he uses it as a weapon.

Methusael impregnated itself and begat Lamech.
The meaning of Lamech is: teacher or hearer, to receive mentality (intellect), fair speech. Also: what, how, why etc. and to question.
This animal started to reason – ask questions and to have fair speech at that stage. Lamech took him two wives. Adah and Zillah. For the first time there will now be a sexual act between two different animals or bodies.
Zillah means: to shade – defense – bowing – tumble down – setting by a waving motion – hovering over, vibration – to rattle together as ears with shame – teeth in chattering with fear.
This clearly describes a chimpanzee.
Out of this “cross breeding” or cross-fertilization, Zillah bare Tubalcain.
Tubalcain means: to manufacture copper and iron articles – to produce, fruit – increase – flow – carry – lead – to bring.
This animal now started to manufacture and produce. And started carrying things etc.

Zillah also bare Naamah. And for the first time we see the word bare and not begat. There is a difference in meaning. Also for the first time a complete woman is born, she is feminine.
The word begat has the meaning of; to be a midwife. Probably a “midwife” to evolve to the next stage or kind.
The meaning of Naamah is: to be pleasant (different from the male) be agreeable (to the male) to be sweet.

Lamech’s next wife Ada is an improvement of Naamah.
Adah means: testimony – recorder – alter – remove – take pass – advance – passion – to remove ornaments - a witness – a menstrual flux.
This is a new era. This is a “woman” with a menstrual flux – she starts to repeat sound (recorder) – alter sound - do things – make ornaments – she becomes a witness (remembers things)
Now the two atoms of life are split into male and female bodies separately as we know it today and live children are born namely male beings and female beings. Previously only “sons” were born. See Gen. 5.

They started to communicate, hear voices and using different words. In other words started to have speech or a language.
Because Lamech says: Hear my voice, hearken to my speech.
We can also conclude that hearing started to develop.

Adah then bares Jabal and Jubal.
Jabal is the father, founder of tents, cattle.
They started to group like a family, gather together.
Jubal is the founder of musical instruments. Like the harp and organ and they began to communicate with each other

Originally posted by debbiejo
Hmmm interesting take on that.
read Eden and also Cain and his wife Eve.

these should all be merged into one single thread

No, it's good like it is. But I'll have to read it later on. Section by section, metaphor by metaphor.

Though the water flowing out of Eden (Eve) could mean menstruation (river) that gave life.

And I have read that semen is symbolic for spirit in many pagan religions.

no, its all the same crap, it doesn't need 3 different threads

we don't need another JIA type spammer here

Originally posted by inimalist
no, its all the same crap, it doesn't need 3 different threads

we don't need another JIA type spammer here It's not the same. It's a different point of view which is what this forum is about. I've always thought the the book of Genesis was symbolic.

whatever

You scare me.

Originally posted by inimalist
no, its all the same crap, it doesn't need 3 different threads

we don't need another JIA type spammer here

please dont read it you might understand it, even worse, you might believe it.

Originally posted by johannes
Who is Eden?

Eden is your physical body described from one angle; let us see if I can prove this to you.

Gen 2: 8 and the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden.
Therefore: Eden is NOT a garden, but a “garden was planted” in Eden. This garden being your five senses or your brain/face. Eastward is your face, where all of your senses meet in your brain. East is the front of your body.

The Hebrew meaning of garden is: to fence or guard or protect (the senses are there to protect us) therefore the garden is symbolized by your senses.

Verse 8 continued: and there (in the garden) He put the man who He (already) had formed, for the bible says God first created man and then the woman, a body for the man.
Verse 15: the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden in Eden (your face) to dress it and to keep it.
What does this mean?
Dress (Hebrew) = to advance, accomplish, become, bear, bestow, bring forth, prepare, enslave, keep in bondage, execute, husbandman, servant, worshipper and many more, but it speaks for itself, namely to “evolve” the human body.

To keep = to preserve (until the resurrection, until we are intelligent enough to find the way to defeat the guard of the tree of eternal life)
I can assure you the way/road is now open.

We can therefore say the garden is your head/face, and God put this spiritual man/husband in your head/face/garden to be your husband/man to advance the human body (to bring it to perfection) and to keep it alive eternally, to feed it spiritually.

Verse 10: and a river went out of Eden (your body) to water the (this) garden (in your face)

River (Hebrew) = a stream, to sparkle, to be cheerful.

To water (Hebrew) = to irrigate, cause to drink, (to supply) semen (seeds) Water is a symbol of spirit.

It is clear from this that Eden, the human body, must feed the husband/man/spirit with knowledge (from the eye/seeds) and keep him alive to sparkle and be cheerful and to supply semen.

Verse 10 continues: and from thence (the garden/face/your head) it was parted, and became into four heads (streams).

The four heads = your spinal cord, your veins, your nose or breathing channel and your gullet.

Verse 11: the name of the first is Pison, that is it, which compasseth the whole land Havilah, where there was gold.

Pison (Hebrew) = fast flowing, scattered, disperse, to spread.

Havilah (Hebrew) = circular, twist or whirl, in a circular or spiral manner, it also implicates feeling of pain, fear, grief, hope etc.

This clearly describes your brain, spinal cord, nerve system, which is fast flowing, scattered, circular, a circle, spiral etc, too and from the brain and to make you aware of pain for instance.

Verse 13: the name of the second river is Gihon. The same is it that campasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

Gihon (Hebrew) = a fountain, to gush forth, a stream, a river of paradise.

Ethiopia (Hebrew) = territory (meaning the one in command.)

This is your heart as the fountain, and the veins through your body (a circulatory system) your soul is in your blood – your “river” of paradise – happiness. Also your blood/heart is the one in “command”.

Verse 14: the name of the third river is Hiddekel, which is it that goes toward the east of Assyria.

Hiddekel (Hebrew): to sting, prickly plant (the lungs look like the leafs of a prickly plant), and big river.

Assyria (Hebrew): to be straight, collect or inhabitant

Clearly this describes your respiratory system (air pipe and lungs, which run in the front of your body, namely the east = your front.)

Verse 14 continues: and the fourth river is the Euphrates.

Euphrates (Hebrew) = to break forth, rushing, river on the east, grow, increase, bring forth.

This is your digestive system (gullet, intestines and stomach that feeds/grow)

These “river” systems/organs feed the garden in Eden (your body).
I say; your body feeds your spirits and the spirits are there to protect and advance you.

Verse 9: out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food, the tree of life also in the midst of the garden and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Out of the ground means “out of the body” that’s created out of soil/ground.

These trees are your five senses – sense of sound, sight, taste, smell, and touch. All of them connected to the brain (in the garden.)

However, let me add this:
The tree of knowledge of good and evil was not guarded; humans have the “free choice” to eat the fruit of this tree. All of us still eat this fruit each and every day.


Now you can understand and agree that Eve was not driven out of Eden, because Eden is Eve, your physical body.




You have some of the most fascinating interpretations of the Bible, I wish more people would make the Bible thier own instead of following someone else's intepretation of it.

Originally posted by inimalist
these should all be merged into one single thread

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
You have some of the most fascinating interpretations of the Bible, I wish more people would make the Bible thier own instead of following someone else's intepretation of it.

Perhaps, but you'd simply have lots more variations on irrational fundamentalism (not that that's what this is, just that it would happen a lot). I just think that less people should make the Bible their own. Understand it metaphorically based on their own interpretations (if they are interested in that sort of thing) but eliminating it as the primary and final source of how we should live our lives.

your bordering on symbolic buddhism and revelation here my man. even though i dont agree with you on the things you said. its a facinating and rather more refreshing point of view than most fundamentalist christians here take.

Originally posted by johannes
please dont read it you might understand it, even worse, you might believe it.

how wonderfully arrogant of you

you could have just linked http://johannes-erasmus.blogspot.com/

"decoding the bible: sex from heaven" well now

what dont agree with is the fact that you seem to utterly and completely believe in your interpretation as opposed to looking at it as a theory or hypothesis.

the three of knowledge always sounded to me like a rip off of YGGDRASSIL

Evangelical blog ftw!

And I'll agree with inamilist. Condescension works even less on this forum than other places. You'll lose friends fast, and people will stop reading your posts.

Originally posted by inimalist
how wonderfully arrogant of you

you could have just linked http://johannes-erasmus.blogspot.com/

"decoding the bible: sex from heaven" well now
it was ment to be a yoke, after i read your quote!

Originally posted by leonheartmm
what dont agree with is the fact that you seem to utterly and completely believe in your interpretation as opposed to looking at it as a theory or hypothesis.
the way you read it in the bible it is an hypothesis and now you see the real thing, although there are six more ways of explaining this hypothesis.

Oh great, another JIA.

johannes, why do you believe in the bible?

Gen 2: 8 and the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden.
Therefore: Eden is NOT a garden, but a “garden was planted” in Eden. This garden being your five senses or your brain/face. Eastward is your face, where all of your senses meet in your brain. East is the front of your body.

Holy leap of logic batman!!!

Interesting interpretation, but I'm not sure how you're getting "trees = senses."

I think that you're reading the story and trying to force it to fit to your interpretation.

(This isn't aimed at you, but I like how anyone who takes Genesis at face value is merely parroting what another person has told him or her.)

Ok, stop making threads on decoding the bible. Use this one now for all decoding needs.

The Tree of Life is a mottif similiar to the Cross.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
johannes, why do you believe in the bible? Ask him in PMs. That's what I did to JIA, and I got an answer!

Originally posted by lord xyz
Ask him in PMs. That's what I did to JIA, and I got an answer!

It is a relevant question to the assumption that the thread is based on.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is a relevant question to the assumption that the thread is based on. But PMs is the only way you get an answer.

Originally posted by lord xyz
But PMs is the only way you get an answer.

I am not asking this question in a personal way. I am questioning the volidity of the primous of the thread.

I don't believe the Bible asks you to believe in the Bible. Does it?

Believe in me! For I am the almighty BOOK! I smite all other BOOKS! Bow down before my great BOOKYNESS! I will destroy all for I am the BIBLE! RAAAAAAWWWWRRRRR!!!

Originally posted by debbiejo
No, it's good like it is. But I'll have to read it later on. Section by section, metaphor by metaphor.

Though the water flowing out of Eden (Eve) could mean menstruation (river) that gave life.

And I have read that semen is symbolic for spirit in many pagan religions.
indeed Eve has the meaning of life giver.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Interesting interpretation, but I'm not sure how you're getting "trees = senses."

I think that you're reading the story and trying to force it to fit to your interpretation.

(This isn't aimed at you, but I like how anyone who takes Genesis at face value is merely parroting what another person has told him or her.)
the bible is a book of symbols and if you decode the bible it must fit right through the bible at any given place like a puzle.
for instance; water is the biblical symbol for spirit, in fact any liquid is in a different manner spirit.
for instance if you read; he was baptized in/with water it has the meaning of baptizm with spirit.
if you read the bible you can try that.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
johannes, why do you believe in the bible?
well, the things i have posted here is an example that the bible has a true meaning if we can decode or understand it, to just read the bible doesnt make sense at all, it contradics itself all the time.
the bible is a manual for the human body, it fully explains the human and his future and his past, which is essensial to understand if you want to understand yourself.
in follow up posts i hope to convince you of that.

Originally posted by johannes
well, the things i have posted here is an example that the bible has a true meaning if we can decode or understand it, to just read the bible doesnt make sense at all, it contradics itself all the time.
the bible is a manual for the human body, it fully explains the human and his future and his past, which is essensial to understand if you want to understand yourself.
in follow up posts i hope to convince you of that.

But what if the bible is not the truth, and you are just reading into the bible what you want to see?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But what if the bible is not the truth, and you are just reading into the bible what you want to see?

The Bible does have meanings as long as we try to put it into an objective context and understand that certainwords have double meanings as well. Furthermore, nowhere does it say in the bible that things should be taken litteraly. Infact, it says quite the opposite. Jesus purposely spoke in parables in the bible.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But what if the bible is not the truth, and you are just reading into the bible what you want to see?
you will be the one to decide on that, whether i just make this up or not.

Originally posted by johannes
you will be the one to decide on that, whether i just make this up or not.

I'm not talking about me; I'm talking about you. How do you know that you are not just connecting dot and using your imagination to make a story. Kind of like looking at the nights sky and making up constellations. We see them, but they are really not there.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Perhaps, but you'd simply have lots more variations on irrational fundamentalism (not that that's what this is, just that it would happen a lot). I just think that less people should make the Bible their own. Understand it metaphorically based on their own interpretations (if they are interested in that sort of thing) but eliminating it as the primary and final source of how we should live our lives.


Yes, but I admire Johannes' aim at questioning and trying to solve the mystery of the Bible rather than simply accept someone else's fundamental intepretation of it.


I question Buddhist text all the time, and beleive only when I am convinced. that does not make me any less of a Buddhist doing so.

At least it's something new and different. I'm tired of all the old stuff.

bangin

Originally posted by johannes
the bible is a book of symbols and if you decode the bible it must fit right through the bible at any given place like a puzle.
for instance; water is the biblical symbol for spirit, in fact any liquid is in a different manner spirit.
for instance if you read; he was baptized in/with water it has the meaning of baptizm with spirit.
if you read the bible you can try that.
I don't really believe the Bible is specially coded. It seems pretty plain-as-day to me.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I'm not talking about me; I'm talking about you. How do you know that you are not just connecting dot and using your imagination to make a story. Kind of like looking at the nights sky and making up constellations. We see them, but they are really not there.

well yes, what you see in the sky might not exist for millions of years, you only see the light now. it could be possible to see even moving creatures on a far away planet if you have a nice telescope, but those creatures might have died millions of years ago, but the light only reach you now. the whole universe doesnt at all look the way you see it some of them might even be just a reflection of some thing else.

about the rest; well i have used the meaning of words in the bible to construct a picture of what i say. sometimes it is more than just the meaning of words, it might be a mirrored image or a riddle or a parable. in any case i only quoted from the bible and you will have to agree this is a complete new picture of what the litteral letters tells you when you read.
i have only used the bible and if you know the meaning of the words it pictures itself.
yes it is a complete new thing for the mind, for instance; what is the so-called crusifiction on a hill called Calvary or Golgotah? the word Calvary has the meaning of; place in the scull, and this place is your brain, and then this says; you were crusified in your brain/scull. i will say more about this later.
therefore; i dont look into the sky, but i decipher the words and symbols of the bible to see the true thing.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I don't really believe the Bible is specially coded. It seems pretty plain-as-day to me.

it is encoded to suit our intelligence. as we progress we CAN understand it differently. a long time ago we believed the earth to be flat, now we KNOW its not. there is a difference in believing something and knowing something. believe is to hope for something you dont yet see or understand, while knowledge is reality.

Originally posted by johannes
well yes, what you see in the sky might not exist for millions of years, you only see the light now. it could be possible to see even moving creatures on a far away planet if you have a nice telescope, but those creatures might have died millions of years ago, but the light only reach you now. the whole universe doesnt at all look the way you see it some of them might even be just a reflection of some thing else.

about the rest; well i have used the meaning of words in the bible to construct a picture of what i say. sometimes it is more than just the meaning of words, it might be a mirrored image or a riddle or a parable. in any case i only quoted from the bible and you will have to agree this is a complete new picture of what the litteral letters tells you when you read.
i have only used the bible and if you know the meaning of the words it pictures itself.
yes it is a complete new thing for the mind, for instance; what is the so-called crusifiction on a hill called Calvary or Golgotah? the word Calvary has the meaning of; place in the scull, and this place is your brain, and then this says; you were crusified in your brain/scull. i will say more about this later.
therefore; i dont look into the sky, but i decipher the words and symbols of the bible to see the true thing.

But why do you use the bible? Why not the Koran, or the Lotus Sutra?

Originally posted by johannes
it is encoded to suit our intelligence. as we progress we CAN understand it differently. a long time ago we believed the earth to be flat, now we KNOW its not. there is a difference in believing something and knowing something. believe is to hope for something you dont yet see or understand, while knowledge is reality.
The Bible is meant for today, yesterday, and tomorrow.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But why do you use the bible? Why not the Koran, or the Lotus Sutra?
i have studied the Koran. it is also a spiritual book saying the same but from another angle.
the koran has a different mission. christians create the new future body while Muslem create the future earth and food.

Originally posted by johannes
i have studied the Koran. it is also a spiritual book saying the same but from another angle.
the koran has a different mission. christians create the new future body while Muslem create the future earth and food.

Then you sould read the Lotus Sutra.

Or the Gnostics, Satanic Bible, Wicca world, Fredericks of Hollywood.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Or the Gnostics, Satanic Bible, Wicca world, Fredericks of Hollywood.

I was agreeing with you until Fredericks of Hollywood.

forget ALL that stuff. read the mythology of saint seiya/angel sanctuary/shin megaten/xenosaga/vertogi comics.
its a LOT more interesting than the koran or bible.


SHAKA VIRGO beats ANY god out there. OMMMM!!!!!!

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then you sould read the Lotus Sutra.
why do you think i must read that?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
forget ALL that stuff. read the mythology of saint seiya/angel sanctuary/shin megaten/xenosaga/vertogi comics.
its a LOT more interesting than the koran or bible.


SHAKA VIRGO beats ANY god out there. OMMMM!!!!!!
yes the bible is boring if you dont understand the symbols and images.

Originally posted by johannes
why do you think i must read that?

You seem to be into reading and interpreting important religious books. In Buddhism, the most important Sutra (teaching) of Buddha is the Lotus Sutra.

The flood of Noah.


Let us now see if we can construct a picture of what happened with the so-called flood of Noah.
As I said; the spirit of sin went up into heaven, and made heaven violent, and sin came down unto earth in the form of a catastrophe, a rain of sin or an execration.


The days mentioned in Gen. 6-8, are symbols of a formula. I have not yet give attention to find or decipher the formula, but it is of no importance at this stage, however it will reveal marvelous revelations in respect of time concerning earth in particular.


The LORD said; behold, I even I, do bring a flood of waters (spirits) upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
The meaning of I = existence, the “one” that exist the origin of existence namely a seven dimensional spirit.
The meaning of breath in this respect is described as – the mind, the spirit of a rational being = I --- it is therefore creatures of low intelligence, as we know the creatures of that time were, although many of them had huge bodies, they were in fact dumb beasts but infected the heaven to become violent. You can imagine the masses of spirit these animals send up to heaven.
Gen.7: 11 and 12 --- all the fountains of the great deep broken up and the windows of heaven were opened.
I am not going to give you the meaning of each word but, the fountains of the great deep broken up, can be described as follow.
Earth was ripped open and lava burst out of the earth/out of the great deep namely the inner core, which logically is lava. The meaning of the words used describes it as; it burst open brutally.
These lavas heaped up, creating waves/mountains and then later on sets —ceased; the meaning of the words describes it like that. See psalm. 104:6-8.


Let us now see what triggered off this outburst, the brutal ripping open of the earth.
Gen. 7: 12. And the “rain” was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
These forty days could in fact be 40 years; I must still decipher the formula.
The “rain” described here is NOT a normal rain of water as we know rain and as been told to us in church.


Rev 8:7 the first angel sounded, and there followed “hail and fire” mingled with blood and they were cast upon the earth, and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt.
This describes a meteorite rain, which burnt one third of all trees, and all grass.
Verse 8-9. The second angel sounded and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea; a third part of the sea became blood, and the third part of the creatures in the sea which were in the sea and have life (not breath) died, and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
This could be a huge meteorite that entered earth’s atmosphere and was ripped apart to form a meteorites rain.

This second phase brought death to one third of the life in the sea and destroyed a third of the islands. (Ships as floating in the sea symbolize the islands.) This “mountain” that fell in the sea as well as the brutal outburst could obviously created huge waves like the resent tsunami.



Then a third angel sounded (verse 10) and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers and upon the fountains of waters.
Verse 11. The name of this star is called Wormwood and the third part of the waters became bitter (perhaps as a result of the ashes.)
Apart from the fact that wormwood has the meaning of bitter, it also has the meaning of calamity or catastrophes or curse. We can then also read it as; a calamity has struck earth.
It must now be clear to you that this is directly a result of the curse that the LORD has placed on the earth to wipe out “all” life and “rain water” is not even mentioned.


This “star” – Mars—collided with earth and ripped open the earth, (brutally) it collided on the north pole (as we know north at this stage) and earth virtually cracked open like a nut shell, it burst open resulting to open up the earth and lava were streaming out of her “womb” to create lava waves and mountains and valleys formed when these lava waves ceased. Furthermore the bible says earth was split in three.
Furthermore, Mars “dropped” some of its water on earth resulting into waves of mud and water higher than mountains.


This “hail and fire” were also on Mars and the Moon, the Moon is a clear picture of the damage done by this meteorite rain.
It has killed all life on the Moon and slowly killed the life on Mars while Earth is also slowly dying.
Mars the Moon and Earth were forced out of their orbit, and this resulted that all celestial bodies, at least in our solar system were forced out of their normal orbit and one third of all planets with life died.



Isai. 24:1. Behold the Lord make the Earth empty and make it waste and turned it upside down.
North as we know it, previously was south, therefore the collision was in the south. Earth is now also leaning 10 degrees backwards from its previous position.
Verses 19-20. The Earth is utterly broken down, the Earth is clean dissolved (by waves and waves of lava) the Earth is moved exceedingly (by the impact of the collision) and shall be removed like a cottage.
Verse 20. The Earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard.
This reeling to and fro must have lasted a long time after the collision it is like throwing a cork in water that reels to and fro until it settles.


You can now imagine why the bible say there were waves or “water” higher than mountains because this reeling to and fro would probably have created waves higher than mountains, Gen 7:20. However nowhere is rain like water mentioned in the meaning of these words therefore it is simply not true, a lie to say it was rainwater coming from heaven and water out of “fountains” of the earth. The fountains are clearly described as lava.
The description of “water” could be; waves of lava or/and mud and water and it surely took a long, long time before the Earth became stable again.
Scientists should now understand and find what they were looking for all these years.
Scientists could perhaps work out what implications this had to our solar system.


You must remember that we always deal with parables, mirrored images and riddles.
To tell us that Noah has build a ship which were floating on the “waters” for one year, and that the water that was higher than mountains disappeared in one year as we were told in church and in school simply don’t make sense, rather it is an insult to ones “scientific” mind.
I am not a scientist to say how long it took for the “waters” to settle, but if I say 360000 years it will surely be more accurate than to say it took one year, for where did all the water go in one year, that is if it is to be “true” the way we were told; however we will decipher the formula given to us in Gen 6-8 and tell you exactly how long it took.


At least scientists say that 85% of all life was wiped out in the unknown past. We could also now imagine why some creatures are buried meters under soil or rather mud or lava, some of them were caught with food still in their mouths. We also know that our climate has changed dramatically, and surely we can now imagine why. As a result of the collision and the brutal “opening up “ of the Earth, earth “enlarged, multiplied” became bigger.



If we decipher the meanings of words used in Gen 6-8 it tells us that Earth was enwrapped in darkness (dust/ash clouds) and the “waters prevailed for a hundred and fifty days” perhaps 150000 years. It probably took thousands of years before life could really progress.



Summary


You can now understand that the flood was a flood of sin and not a “sun flood of rain”.
You can clearly understand the lies told to us; to mention one; it was not a flood of rain as we have been told in church.
Sin is directly responsible for the catastrophe that “hit” earth.
It is clear that earth was ripped open and lava was flowing out of the inner core and this is described as the fountains of earth that opened up.

The flood was a retold story of the Black Sea flood of ~8,000 years ago.

It never happend.

Neither Noah nor his Ark existed.

Originally posted by Boris
It never happend.

Neither Noah nor his Ark existed.

Noah and the Ark maybe fictional but the flood maybe based on fact. Check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_theory

Yeah but in the Bible the flood is a world wide flood.

That's probably where whoever came up with Noah got the idea from though.

Originally posted by Boris
Yeah but in the Bible the flood is a world wide flood.

That's probably where whoever came up with Noah got the idea from though.

You know what happens when people re-tale a story over and over again? Also, what does "the world" mean? If you lived back then, on the shore of the black sea, you might think "the world" was flooding too.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You know what happens when people re-tale a story over and over again? Also, what does "the world" mean? If you lived back then, on the shore of the black sea, you might think "the world" was flooding too.

while true.......you're negating the fact that the bible is supposedly the work of humans transcribing the word as told to them by god. Surely a god would know the world was far larger than known to the primitives of the time.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
while true.......you're negating the fact that the bible is supposedly the work of humans transcribing the word as told to them by god. Surely a god would know the world was far larger than known to the primitives of the time.

I negate that "fact" all the time.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
while true.......you're negating the fact that the bible is supposedly the work of humans transcribing the word as told to them by god. Surely a god would know the world was far larger than known to the primitives of the time.

Maybe God said "your world", meaning their small spot of land that they think is all that's out there, and just wrote down "the world", because they didn't think anything else was out there.

Originally posted by Naz
Maybe God said "your world", meaning their small spot of land that they think is all that's out there, and just wrote down "the world", because they didn't think anything else was out there.

Stilllll, the all animals part?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Stilllll, the all animals part?

Well, the bible's story is fiction.

Originally posted by Boris
It never happend.

Neither Noah nor his Ark existed.
Really?

Check these links:

LINK 1: http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah's_ark.htm

LINK 2: Click!

LINK 3: Click!

You know, in order to accept the idea that the Flood was not a flood of water but fire, one has to accept the gobledy-gook you've already stated in that "Decoding that One Book" thread.

I wanna see EVAN ALMIGHTY


In the future that movie will be used as proof of God's existance

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Really?

Check these links:

LINK 1: http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah's_ark.htm

LINK 2: Click!

LINK 3: Click!

Wow. This is incredible evidence. Why were we withold that. It proves God's existence. Wow. I am amazed.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Wow. This is incredible evidence. Why were we withold that. It proves God's existence. Wow. I am amazed.

I have a bridge for sale.

I'm converting.

Originally posted by johannes
The flood of Noah.


Let us now see if we can construct a picture of what happened with the so-called flood of Noah.
As I said; the spirit of sin went up into heaven, and made heaven violent, and sin came down unto earth in the form of a catastrophe, a rain of sin or an execration.


The days mentioned in Gen. 6-8, are symbols of a formula. I have not yet give attention to find or decipher the formula, but it is of no importance at this stage, however it will reveal marvelous revelations in respect of time concerning earth in particular.


The LORD said; behold, I even I, do bring a flood of waters (spirits) upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
The meaning of I = existence, the “one” that exist the origin of existence namely a seven dimensional spirit.
The meaning of breath in this respect is described as – the mind, the spirit of a rational being = I --- it is therefore creatures of low intelligence, as we know the creatures of that time were, although many of them had huge bodies, they were in fact dumb beasts but infected the heaven to become violent. You can imagine the masses of spirit these animals send up to heaven.
Gen.7: 11 and 12 --- all the fountains of the great deep broken up and the windows of heaven were opened.
I am not going to give you the meaning of each word but, the fountains of the great deep broken up, can be described as follow.
Earth was ripped open and lava burst out of the earth/out of the great deep namely the inner core, which logically is lava. The meaning of the words used describes it as; it burst open brutally.
These lavas heaped up, creating waves/mountains and then later on sets —ceased; the meaning of the words describes it like that. See psalm. 104:6-8.


Let us now see what triggered off this outburst, the brutal ripping open of the earth.
Gen. 7: 12. And the “rain” was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
These forty days could in fact be 40 years; I must still decipher the formula.
The “rain” described here is NOT a normal rain of water as we know rain and as been told to us in church.


Rev 8:7 the first angel sounded, and there followed “hail and fire” mingled with blood and they were cast upon the earth, and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt.
This describes a meteorite rain, which burnt one third of all trees, and all grass.
Verse 8-9. The second angel sounded and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea; a third part of the sea became blood, and the third part of the creatures in the sea which were in the sea and have life (not breath) died, and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
This could be a huge meteorite that entered earth’s atmosphere and was ripped apart to form a meteorites rain.

This second phase brought death to one third of the life in the sea and destroyed a third of the islands. (Ships as floating in the sea symbolize the islands.) This “mountain” that fell in the sea as well as the brutal outburst could obviously created huge waves like the resent tsunami.



Then a third angel sounded (verse 10) and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers and upon the fountains of waters.
Verse 11. The name of this star is called Wormwood and the third part of the waters became bitter (perhaps as a result of the ashes.)
Apart from the fact that wormwood has the meaning of bitter, it also has the meaning of calamity or catastrophes or curse. We can then also read it as; a calamity has struck earth.
It must now be clear to you that this is directly a result of the curse that the LORD has placed on the earth to wipe out “all” life and “rain water” is not even mentioned.


This “star” – Mars—collided with earth and ripped open the earth, (brutally) it collided on the north pole (as we know north at this stage) and earth virtually cracked open like a nut shell, it burst open resulting to open up the earth and lava were streaming out of her “womb” to create lava waves and mountains and valleys formed when these lava waves ceased. Furthermore the bible says earth was split in three.
Furthermore, Mars “dropped” some of its water on earth resulting into waves of mud and water higher than mountains.


This “hail and fire” were also on Mars and the Moon, the Moon is a clear picture of the damage done by this meteorite rain.
It has killed all life on the Moon and slowly killed the life on Mars while Earth is also slowly dying.
Mars the Moon and Earth were forced out of their orbit, and this resulted that all celestial bodies, at least in our solar system were forced out of their normal orbit and one third of all planets with life died.



Isai. 24:1. Behold the Lord make the Earth empty and make it waste and turned it upside down.
North as we know it, previously was south, therefore the collision was in the south. Earth is now also leaning 10 degrees backwards from its previous position.
Verses 19-20. The Earth is utterly broken down, the Earth is clean dissolved (by waves and waves of lava) the Earth is moved exceedingly (by the impact of the collision) and shall be removed like a cottage.
Verse 20. The Earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard.
This reeling to and fro must have lasted a long time after the collision it is like throwing a cork in water that reels to and fro until it settles.


You can now imagine why the bible say there were waves or “water” higher than mountains because this reeling to and fro would probably have created waves higher than mountains, Gen 7:20. However nowhere is rain like water mentioned in the meaning of these words therefore it is simply not true, a lie to say it was rainwater coming from heaven and water out of “fountains” of the earth. The fountains are clearly described as lava.
The description of “water” could be; waves of lava or/and mud and water and it surely took a long, long time before the Earth became stable again.
Scientists should now understand and find what they were looking for all these years.
Scientists could perhaps work out what implications this had to our solar system.


You must remember that we always deal with parables, mirrored images and riddles.
To tell us that Noah has build a ship which were floating on the “waters” for one year, and that the water that was higher than mountains disappeared in one year as we were told in church and in school simply don’t make sense, rather it is an insult to ones “scientific” mind.
I am not a scientist to say how long it took for the “waters” to settle, but if I say 360000 years it will surely be more accurate than to say it took one year, for where did all the water go in one year, that is if it is to be “true” the way we were told; however we will decipher the formula given to us in Gen 6-8 and tell you exactly how long it took.


At least scientists say that 85% of all life was wiped out in the unknown past. We could also now imagine why some creatures are buried meters under soil or rather mud or lava, some of them were caught with food still in their mouths. We also know that our climate has changed dramatically, and surely we can now imagine why. As a result of the collision and the brutal “opening up “ of the Earth, earth “enlarged, multiplied” became bigger.



If we decipher the meanings of words used in Gen 6-8 it tells us that Earth was enwrapped in darkness (dust/ash clouds) and the “waters prevailed for a hundred and fifty days” perhaps 150000 years. It probably took thousands of years before life could really progress.



Summary


You can now understand that the flood was a flood of sin and not a “sun flood of rain”.
You can clearly understand the lies told to us; to mention one; it was not a flood of rain as we have been told in church.
Sin is directly responsible for the catastrophe that “hit” earth.
It is clear that earth was ripped open and lava was flowing out of the inner core and this is described as the fountains of earth that opened up.

This also depends on what you were taught.and what you want to believe.It was a flood to get rid of all the evil in the world.We can use one right about now I think!JM

Just watch Evan Almighty.

Hli GUys!! Is there really a flood during that time of Noah?

Originally posted by vinz07
Hli GUys!! Is there really a flood during that time of Noah?

No.

*sigh*

Originally posted by Bardock42
Wow. This is incredible evidence. Why were we withold that. It proves God's existence. Wow. I am amazed.
Ignorance is not a blessing.

Also you can download and watch these videos: (Use youtubex)

Part 1: youtube.com/watch?v=2Y5ORpMTebI

Part 2: youtube.com/watch?v=SE7nN80dIw8

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Ignorance is not a blessing.

Also you can download and watch these videos: (Use youtubex)

Part 1: youtube.com/watch?v=2Y5ORpMTebI

Part 2: youtube.com/watch?v=SE7nN80dIw8

You really don't believe that shit, do you?

"Archaeologist" Ron Wyatt's discoveries... LMAO.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
"Archaeologist" Ron Wyatt's discoveries... LMAO.

Piles of rock, and wood that dates to a much younger age. Also, no one is taking into consideration that glaziers are like very slow rivers of ice. Any ship that was placed on the top of the mountain 8,000 years ago would have been deposited at the bottom long ago.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Piles of rock, and wood that dates to a much younger age. Also, no one is taking into consideration that glaziers are like very slow rivers of ice. Any ship that was placed on the top of the mountain 8,000 years ago would have been deposited at the bottom long ago. But the big G would have kept it there to prove his existence

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
But the big G would have kept it there to prove his existence oh, I forgot.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
"Archaeologist" Ron Wyatt's discoveries... LMAO. READ that, read that, read that. Ark of the Covenant too. Jesus's blood still on it which he did some DNA testing. Seems it's missing a chromosome. Pictures and everything on his site. Just located, if anyone wants to know, right under where the cross was, but with the earth quake, Jesus's blood dripped down onto the Ark so that later on the Jews will understand and believe. The final sacrifice actually dripped down on the Ark. Pretty convincing stuff actually, but false.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
But the big G would have kept it there to prove his existence Pfft... Galactus doesn't need to prove his existence.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Pfft... Galactus doesn't need to prove his existence.

I thought he meant Gravity.

Originally posted by debbiejo
READ that, read that, read that. Ark of the Covenant too. Jesus's blood still on it which he did some DNA testing. Seems it's missing a chromosome. Pictures and everything on his site. Just located, if anyone wants to know, right under where the cross was, but with the earth quake, Jesus's blood dripped down onto the Ark so that later on the Jews will understand and believe. The final sacrifice actually dripped down on the Ark. Pretty convincing stuff actually, but false. Did they have DNA to compare it too?Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Pfft... Galactus doesn't need to prove his existence.

Well if he is that stupid cloud in the movie I would say he would

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You seem to be into reading and interpreting important religious books. In Buddhism, the most important Sutra (teaching) of Buddha is the Lotus Sutra.
well, you read something you were brought up with, although i have studied the Quo,Ran. all prophets are from God also Budha, it just serves something else important. all religions came from Christ Jesus and Jerusalem the mother of all whores. Jesus was the Lucifer to bring the light and so are you. we have to accept that aal religions have a roll to play.

Originally posted by johannes
well, you read something you were brought up with, although i have studied the Quo,Ran. all prophets are from God also Budha, it just serves something else important. all religions came from Christ Jesus and Jerusalem the mother of all whores. Jesus was the Lucifer to bring the light and so are you. we have to accept that aal religions have a roll to play.

Jesus was just a man.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Jesus was just a man. You for got the "con" part

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Jesus was just a man.
yes, of-cause, just like a Mohamed and a Budhah, each having an important message. the unfortunate thing was that christians then started to worship their prophet, but with good reason although they dont understand it.
Mo Hamed told his followers, not to build or create a "heap" on a grave, meaning, not to glorify him or any dead, but instead his followers has build a mosque on top of his grave, a spiritual tower in other words, same as the followers of all other prophets, but again for good reason!!

Originally posted by johannes
yes, of-cause, just like a Mohamed and a Budhah, each having an important message. the unfortunate thing was that christians then started to worship their prophet, but with good reason although they dont understand it.
Mo Hamed told his followers, not to build or create a "heap" on a grave, meaning, not to glorify him or any dead, but instead his followers has build a mosque on top of his grave, a spiritual tower in other words, same as the followers of all other prophets, but again for good reason!!

There is no good reason.

more like the Noah flood story is a creation of a religious dude premature ejaculation

God doesn't do that.

Originally posted by debbiejo
God doesn't do that.

He, according to JIA, does not have any genitalia. However, they still call him "him". Shouldn't they call him, her?

IT IT IT IT IT IT IT IT IT IT IT.............Okay, Her.


I'll see if I can find the link.

Originally posted by debbiejo
IT IT IT IT IT IT IT IT IT IT IT.............

Do you need to have a doctor look at that?

Here's an interesting thought. If god is an IT and we are made in gods image, then we are ITS too. Only with orrises and odd protrusions...

Originally posted by debbiejo
Here's an interesting thought. If god is an IT and we are made in gods image, then we are ITS too. Only with orfuses and odd protusions...

That's IT.

I'm a genius.

Originally posted by debbiejo


I'm a genius.

I wouldn't go that far.

Well you shouldn't judge ITS, IT like that.

lawlz

I am more intelligent than 98% of this thread.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I am more intelligent than 98% of this thread.

Well...I'd hope so.

HA, I just brought it down to 96%...

My ways are not your ways, saith.....Oops, I shouldn't give it away.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I am more intelligent than 98% of this thread. There are 45 posts in this thread and I've made 2 of them so at best you're in the 95th percentile. 313

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is no good reason.
is there no good reason for your belief also? is your belief all in vain?

Originally posted by johannes
is there no good reason for your belief also? is your belief all in vain?

My belief is practical. It works in my life to better my life. Once it stops doing so, then I will revise my beliefs.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
My belief is practical. It works in my life to better my life. Once it stops doing so, then I will revise my beliefs.

If...you happen...to go to Hell...will your beliefs help you then?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
If...you happen...to go to Hell...will your beliefs help you then?



Why would he go to hell? I doubt sayin "i luv jesus" is the instant ticket to heaven

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
Why would he go to hell? I doubt sayin "i luv jesus" is the instant ticket to heaven

Because he will die in his sins and thus perish.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Because he will die in his sins and thus perish.

So christians who constantly sin will be ok cause they can say "its alrite, i love jesus, so its all good"

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
If...you happen...to go to Hell...will your beliefs help you then?



If I go to hell, it will only be a short time before god lets me out.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
If...you happen...to go to Hell...will your beliefs help you then?

When you see us all in Heaven, will your beliefs change then?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If I go to hell, it will only be a short time before god lets me out. What if I don't want too?

Is someone on this forum in need of that one very special thread? What do ya think Shaky? Anyone come to mind?

Originally posted by debbiejo
When you see us all in Heaven, will your beliefs change then?

What if I don't want too?

Is someone on this forum in need of that one very special thread? What do ya think Shaky? Anyone come to mind?

Is the hell thread still around?

Originally posted by debbiejo


I thought it got moved.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=389506


JIA, You have been condemned to Hell for acting as god it's self and imposing as an impostor of righteousness. You must go enter and repent, no passing go, and no collecting $200.00.

Gotta just love fish after all that.

Bump to make my statistics true.

Originally posted by anaconda
more like the Noah flood story is a creation of a religious dude premature ejaculation
what is the dudes name?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If I go to hell, it will only be a short time before god lets me out.
you are in hell and yes it will now only be a short while before your saved by your perishable body which will stay in hell for ever. the body is called the son of perdition and is the only one to perish for your sins.

Originally posted by johannes
you are in hell and yes it will now only be a short while before your saved by your perishable body which will stay in hell for ever. the body is called the son of perdition and is the only one to perish for your sins.

you tease. I'm sure you say that to all the women you wanna get in bed with

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
you tease. I'm sure you say that to all the women you wanna get in bed with
yes absolutely man, but i also tell you about it and i dont want to get into your bed, do i?

Originally posted by johannes
yes absolutely man, but i also tell you about it and i dont want to get into your bed, do i?

I dunno. For all i know you might do.

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
I dunno. For all i know you might do.
no i dont, but think of this there is only two places, the heaven/spiritual place and the earth/phisical place. one of them has to be hell.

Originally posted by johannes
You are in hell and yes it will now only be a short while before your saved by your perishable body which will stay in hell for ever. the body is called the son of perdition and is the only one to perish for your sins.

You have an interesting point of view, but there is no self. So, how can some part of you survive extinction?

The Life energy that unmanifests will survive and return to the collective conscious will it not Shakya.

Originally posted by Versyn Gaul
The Life energy that unmanifests will survive and return to the collective conscious will it not Shakya.

Yes, but you know how my personal beliefs differ? We are already there...

Originally posted by johannes
what is the dudes name?

Gilgamesh.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Bump to make my statistics true. Your stats aren't true anymore

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Your stats aren't true anymore

Just wait until Deb posts again.

The beast that rose out of the sea.

We discussed that the descendants of Cail were in fact animals and that those animals were infact bisexual and impregnated them - selves and only many years’ later two animals had sex to produce the first female from which the human derives. For this reason we don’t read any thing else about Cain’s descendants simply because that was the end of that era.

The next era started in Gen. 4:25 where Adam this man beast impregnated this first-born female and evolved to the Birth of Seth. The meaning of Seth = beyond five – six – to be bright – cheerful – glad - rejoice – make mirth.
It is clear from this that this “human” now started to evolve further and now developed a sixth sense.
Seth then gave birth to Enos and Enos gave birth to Cainan.
The meaning of Cainan is: fixed – nestling, a chamber or dwelling, nest, room, to erect, build or occupy as a nest – make a nest.
Humans start to build “houses” and occupy houses, dwellings, and rooms.
Cainan gave birth to Mahalaleel.
Mahalaleel means: praise of God, to wed, to have clear sound and clear color, marriage, these, those, this.
“Humans” has now advanced exceedingly. They have clear speech, a language, they can now distinguish between colors, they marry and they start to write.

We must not look at these characters as “people” rather periods of how the “human” developed.
Mahalaleel begat Jared.

Jared begat Enoch.
Enoch means: a mortal, to bring discipline, congregation.
Moses is born to lead us, to Exodus us to Horeb, to bring discipline and to bring a cure.
The idea of the Exodus to Horeb is to develop the senses of this “human beast”.
They were brought to Horeb with th e meaning of “hear”, to be exact to the peak Sinai, which have the meaning of symbolical or sensuality. It is therefore clear that this was to develop the senses and especially the ear/hearing.

Horeb had two peaks, namely Sinai and Sion but Sion is not mentioned here because Sion has the meaning of; an imaginary peak that was not yet born for this “human beast” he was still a sensuoury beast. At this mountain this beast received the Ten Commandments from Satan. The Ten Commandments are the commands of Satan; it is his covenent between the “human” and himself. It is impossible to keep the commands because it says; you may not desire. No one can in honesty say he don’t desire and if you do the commandment have the power to kill you. This covenent is also symbolized by the forecourt of the tabernacle of Moses.

This Beast that was gathered at the “foot” of this symbolical mountain is called the beast out of the sea. It is the animals that came forth from the sea and developed into these Wild beasts, the bible calls it the birth of Ishmael, his hand against everyone and everyone against him.
The power of this beast were the Ten Commandments, called ten horns with seven heads and upon his horns ten crowns, see Rev. 13:1.
The dragon gave him (this beast with seven heads and ten horns) his power and his seat. The dragon is the “Satan” on this symbolic mountain who descended in fire on the mountain see Exo. 19; 18. Compare Revl. 9: 1-2.

This opening of the ear is the sound of the fifth angel or the fifth trumpet. The opening of the ear is the fifth sense to develope on earth.
From now on the Ten Commandments has the “power and the seat” to kill those who doesnt obey his commands. Of-cause, it is impossible to keep these commands and that is the reason why those at the foot of this symbolic mountain dies.

What is this seven heads with ten horns?
The ten horns as explained = the Ten Commandments. The seven heads = six heads have one horn each or one commandment each and one head wears four commandments. This horns or commandments = the first four commandments that were transgressed by the Israelites when they created a symbolic golden calf to worship. This golden calf is only symbolic of the true transgression and worship of those at the foot of this mountain. I will not discuss that here.
However they transgressed the first four Commandments mentioned in Exo. 20: 1-7.
The forth head then symbolically wears these horns/commands because; they did have other gods, they have a graven image, they did bow down before this image etc.
They now follow a God that never existed before; his name is Satan, God of the visible. To bring concilliation for transgressing these commandments a priest had to take the blood of a bull/the symbolic golden calf into the Holy room and place the blood on the four horns to bring a symbolic conciliation to these four commandments. The carcass of the bull were then burned far away from the tabernacle with the idea that all sins has “gone to perdition”, burned back to ashes/dust.
It might now seem to you as if this has no meaning and you might ask; why?
To develop the “human” further the senses had to develope and this commandments played a big role to develope the senses, especially hearing, the sense to hear/listen intelligently.
I will discuss the beast out of earth separately.

However, the bible is just a myth.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, the bible is just a myth.
however, if you dont understand it, it is a boring story book.

Originally posted by johannes
however, if you dont understand it, it is a boring story book.

Very true, but there are so many interpretations.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Very true, but there are so many interpretations.
also true, but there can only be one truth. do you in any manner take the bible in considderation when you look at your beliefs?

Wow, another bible thumping troll who wants to preach at us. If only the people who created this website had enjoyed the forethought to give certain individuals on the forum the authority and privilege to do something about it. What a world it would be.

Originally posted by johannes
also true, but there can only be one truth. do you in any manner take the bible in considderation when you look at your beliefs?

1. The truth is relative. So, there are as many truths as there are points of view.

2. I do not read the bible now, but I used to read it, and was very knowledgeable about it. So, no would be the answer. I study the Lotus Sutra now.

Originally posted by johannes
The beast that rose out of the sea.

We discussed that the descendants of Cail were in fact animals and that those animals were infact bisexual and impregnated them - selves and only many years’ later two animals had sex to produce the first female from which the human derives. For this reason we don’t read any thing else about Cain’s descendants simply because that was the end of that era.


That is asexual reproduction, and that story doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Jormungandr?

Originally posted by Devil King
Wow, another bible thumping troll who wants to preach at us. If only the people who created this website had enjoyed the forethought to give certain individuals on the forum the authority and privilege to do something about it. What a world it would be.

Here is a rather better solution. If you don't like Religion forum - stay out of it. Problem solved.

The problem seems to be that you would like to use this forum to vent out your burning hatred for Christians. This is a Religion forum.
Your personal issues with Christians does not make anyone obligatory to stop discussing or even advertising Christianity.

You don't like preaching thread. Don't go into it.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
The problem seems to be that you would like to use this forum to vent out your burning hatred for Christians.



Venting is his only contribution to the forums, and it's not only at Christians, so don't worry.


He b*tches at everybody, and to have a civil conversation with him is almost impossible.