Indy 4 - CGI not to be!

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exanda kane

Captain REX
That should definitely be a good thing, in my book. I wouldn't like it if we had a ton of CGI Indy's hopping around doing the stunts.

Kazenji
Well the other indy films had hardly any CGI except for last crusade if i remember



Not like thats the first spielberg shot the other 3 films

exanda kane
I don't think Indy has ever had any "CGI", it's all been traditional SFX.

And yes, well duh really, Spielberg shot the other three films, but as far as the more fundamental decisions are concerned, Lucas calls the shots as executive producer.

Kazenji
Originally posted by exanda kane
I don't think Indy has ever had any "CGI", it's all been traditional SFX.


I'm pretty sure last crusade had a little bit for the 3rd test "Leap of faith" unless it was more of a visual effect rather then CGI animation.

exanda kane
Visual effects in the old hat sense of the word.

roughrider
So what does it mean?
It's not like Spielberg hasn't been CGI heavy in virtually all his films since the breakthroughs with Jurrasic Park. Technology was getting pushed along even in the 8-year period the Indy films were being made in; two of those films won Oscars for Visual Effects.
I think all they mean is, there won't be the heavy use of digital sets where actors walk around in bluescreen, while the FX department paints it all in later(aka Star Wars prequels.) Real locations & real sets; I think that's what they mean.
If they use a little CGI here & there to make something look better, they'll do it. No one in the industry - anywhere in the world - is going backwards on VFX tech, and using optical printing tech.

exanda kane
Yeah, I think it's just no blue/green screen.

ragesRemorse
The absence of CGI and overbearing effects has always been an appeal of the indy series. Though the films have always been rich in special effects, The effects werent a main character in the movies. Atleast for me, i wasnt waiting to see the next big cinematical effects shot while watching the movies. I was always waiting to see what indy would do next.

NinthSith
No CGI is a good thing , it ruined the Star War's prequels due to the heavy use of it. If the original movie's were made 30 year's ago without the use of CGI why make the new ones with CGI. It screws it up and make's it look and feel like two seperate movies.

chewy16
It is not the CG effects that bother me, it is just the CG landscapes in the PT that takes you right out of the movie. Real Environments like Tatooine, Hoth, and Endor where the actors are physically there hold up over time alot more then the CG landscapes like Kamino, Geonosis, and Mustafar.

Just pop in an old Indy Movie, or an OT movie, and then compare it to a PT movie, and you feel like you are watching a cartoon sometimes with those CG landscapes.

apoc001
I'm glad they're not using CGI, because that's what makes people able to watch the old Indy movies decades after they've been made. No CGI makes it authentic. It allows the viewers to relate to the characters in a way. Creating elaborate visuals with CGI doesn't do anything for the viewers, because the audience has never experienced anything remotely similar to what's going on and they know it could never happen to them. Also, it distracts from the story. If anything, CGI might inspire awe, but it can never do anything for the story. Seeing a man's rage and hearing the sound as he punches his enemy invokes a lot more catharsis than, say, a giant gorilla ripping a dinosaur's jaw off.

Faith27
for me, its ok if they did not used CGI..I'm tired of watching CGI films.

roughrider
All these people b*tching & whining about CGI...

Look at the Indy4 trailer - some CGI is being used in the film.
And here's another newsflash: CGI is NOT going away.
Technology advances forward only - not in reverse. Otherwise, we'd still all be in the era of silent film.
How many films may not have been made, if it wasn't for the breakthrough with CGI in the mid-90's? I'm sure Lord Of The Rings would still be just a dream, as would the Spider Man series - films that wouldn't look nearly as good or convincing without the freedoms granted by new FX tech.

It always amuses me to hear reminiscing about "old-fashioned" special effects. The medium is not a stable form, but in a constant state of evolution. These aren't people in the industry who do that - instead, they get excited by breaking barriers & going forward.

Kazenji
I reakon there will be a little bit of CGi in this 4th one for stuff like when they find the articact and whatever and you see all the mystical energy stuff.

queeq
THe explosion in the trailer was CGI. early start.

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queeq
Becaue he likes film better than video. And there's something to say about that. The two formats are quite different to work with, Spielberg doesn't like to change his style I think. And why should he?

Endrict Nuul
I didn't like the CGI in Indy 4 because it felt out of place.

queeq
That bad?

Endrict Nuul
Originally posted by queeq
That bad?


Like I said, I like the other 3 because it was less noticeable and I am a old school Indy fan/Spielburg. If i wanted to see some Lucas's CGI then I would watch Star Wars. Although the parts that were not CGI I think they are great.

queeq
That sounds good.

In Rainbows
Yeah, I didn't like the CGI. I hoped this film would be like the old ones, that you could watch TLC and KOTCS after eachother, and wouldn't notice the change too much. Indiana Jones is great because it doesn't need CGI to look great and take you on an adventure.

Of course things have changed. But I hoped they wouldn't use that much. But there are some things in the movie that's not classic Indiana Jones. They just had to do it big.

Sadako of Girth
Whenever I am conscious that Im watching CGI, I know theres no threat.

Ergo, no threat in this movie.

queeq
hehehe

GGS
'Indiana Jones 4 will not be a CGI mess like the Star Wars Prequels'

LOL you of course realise this statement is a blantent lie once you've seen the movie.

queeq
Very. And it looked ugly too.

Sadako of Girth
Oh the hideous irony of this thread title.

queeq
The horror... the horror...

Sadako of Girth
The stomach wrenching, bowel loosening terror!

queeq
Yup... it's loose.

Sadako of Girth
I just clicked back in here to see your response, having forgotten what the thread discussed and it terrified me so badly that I shat all down my leg immediately, when I remembered.

queeq
Never remember again.

Sadako of Girth
Ooops. Did it again.... Thats the other leg shat now.

queeq
You sound like Britney Spears.

Sadako of Girth
I shave my head too.

queeq
Kinky.

Sadako of Girth
Not that head, you filthy minded european. lol

queeq
You have hair there???? EEEEWWWWWWWW...

Sadako of Girth
What a vivid imaginiation. stick out tongue

queeq
You started it.

Sadako of Girth
And finished It. (Lengthly, but awesome book)

They're remaking it too.

And apparently Tim Curry is gonna be starring as the beast when it takes Pennywise form....but we're gonna see the other guises it took on as well.

queeq
A remake? Hmmm... interesting. I thought the original did miss a certain je ne sais quoi.

Sadako of Girth
Well they're gonna gopher the '2 and a half hour' mark..
They're gonna have to have editing pace that would make ANH look slow.

neo010
it's a good news...for me. Indiana jones 4. woow.
I will be watch this movie.

queeq
Errrr....

Sadako of Girth
No Neo...!!!!!! Don't dooooooo iiiiiiiiiit...!!!!

queeq
Don't turn into us!!!

Sadako of Girth
Yes!!! Queeqs right lol

Save yourself, before its too late..!!! stick out tongue

queeq
Don't go into the light!

Sadako of Girth
Hes not answered back...... I fear the worst..

Its probably just the numbness and shock that we all experienced before the full magnitude of the horror set it.

queeq
I can just imagine him sitting there on his couch paralysed.

In three weeks people will find his body, still sitting there, and say he was such a quiet neighbour.

Sadako of Girth
I hope he can avoid San Francisco until the shock and horror has given way to acceptance.

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Kazenji
What the f**k?

Sadako of Girth
Yeah Shocking isn't it.

The makers alerted authorities and tried to save em, but filmed 'em anyways from a documentary POV telling the story of the bridges and those that jumped...

queeq
OMG

Sadako of Girth
Yup.

Poor souls that they would suffer that much as to see that as the only way out.

queeq
They all look quite relaxed... it's bizarre...

Sadako of Girth
Maybe the serenity of knowing that the release is coming.
The comfort of letting go...

queeq
I guess... it looks very casual though.

Sadako of Girth
As life tends usually to be.

Something Bay has no clue about...the nuance of 'casual'.

Sadako of Girth
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Kazenji
Was there anything special about that Indy 4 bomb scene........nothings been altered??

Sadako of Girth
No but its levels of pure fail are consistant with the other vids.

It belongs.

Kazenji
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Sadako of Girth
LOL A F***ed roof and dented pride, with a skull to match lol





This is guy is to stages what that guy was to roofs.
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Sadako of Girth
And now for a compilation of people with nought between their ears who have a lot to learn about instruments, basic physics and how to not look like idiots:

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Kazenji
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Sadako of Girth
Oooooooh! laughing out loud

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queeq
I just love the grunting in those clips. I love the sound of fail.

Sadako of Girth
Ahhhh then you'll LOVE this shit...

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Sadako of Girth
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queeq
Yeah I've been wtaching some of those.... epic epic fails...OMG.

Sadako of Girth
Indeed. Its quite a collection.
Before our study of the science that is fail continues...

Here his some epic win..
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queeq
laughing out loud

Great stuff.

Sadako of Girth
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FAILSKI, Komerade...!!!!!

queeq
The guy on the left sure had a nice contribution...

Sadako of Girth
Heeeeehehehheeeee Seemingly so, but their contributions in the end, were equal.

Sadako of Girth
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queeq
I think the slapping like they did that guitar guy you showed earlier, should become a tradition for Phail Bands.

Sadako of Girth
Hell yeah.

Yputube is also almost justice in itself a place where if you become part of a legendary doucheband, there is no escape, for your shame will be forever on display, circulated and laughed at by generations to come.

Kazenji
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queeq
I agree with most of them, except Spidey 3, Rocky V and KOTCS hehehe.... Spidey 3 is watchable though.

And he didn't get the alien problem. the problem is not aliens or religion, the problem is that they made the aliens so concrete, so tangible. And he forgot the gophers.

Sadako of Girth
Thats unforgivable.

Must be a corporate shill in charge of misinformation.

How can ANYONE there that day forget the squeaking, mocking and CGI fur?

Kazenji
Have'nt watched any of them Rocky movies then again does'nt really interest me Boxing more a fan of Stallones other character Rambo.

Sadako of Girth
Now that man really knows how to disembowel a "Ladyboy c**t".
yes

queeq
hehehe

Sadako of Girth
Cant wait for Rambo V.

queeq
Or VI

Sadako of Girth
Will there be anyone left in the world to shoot by that point?

We might have to wait 20 years for a new army to grow up first..!!! stick out tongue

Kazenji
I reakon that Nick Fury from Marvel would would give him a match.

Sadako of Girth
I agree it would be a good fight.

queeq
Rambo VI: The Extermination of the Gophers from Mars

Sadako of Girth
"The First time was for himself..
The second time was his country...
The third time was for his friend...
The sixth time was for his golf club"

queeq
"And he still isn't finished...

Sadako of Girth
stick out tongue Hopefully not.

Kazenji
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1944849

Sadako of Girth
Brillant!!! big grin

queeq
Fantastic.... Great stuff.

Sadako of Girth
As was this epic back in the day:
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Well worth a play: Another great game compelling me to get round to some emulating again.
Its by those same guys who did the Super Star wars games back then.

And it is better than KOTCS and uses less CGI.

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queeq
What are those games on?

Sadako of Girth
The Indy game was on SNES.

queeq
Ah... Super Nintendo..

Sorry, didn't do those as a kid.

Sadako of Girth
Ah. There were some classics.

The guy playing this seems to be going for a speed record, hence lots of poncy playing...but you can still see the game at least.

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The other parts are in the related vids bit.

queeq
Damn... I wished I could have played those...

Sadako of Girth
Well you still can. smile

queeq
Yeah, wll, I prefer COD now.

Sadako of Girth
Which format... Xbox?

queeq
Will you believe it: Mac. (COD2)

Kazenji
Ah them Star Wars games i played them with emulator damn Empire and Return of the jedi are hard when compared to the first one

i've got COD on the 360...World At War and Modern Warfare.

queeq
I played CO4 a lot on my PC which has died.

I was hoping they'd release Modern Warfare 2 for the Mac as well, but so far no luck. But lucky for me there's a lively COD2 community online.

Kazenji
How about the latest one Black Ops any plans for the MAC?

queeq
Black Ops is an expansion pack to MW2... so if MW2 is not out for Mac, this one makes no sense.

Kazenji
It is?

i thought Black Ops is ment to be the next installment for COD.

Sadako of Girth
I believe you're right Kaz. Black Ops is a totally new installment and was developed by the guys who did "World at War"...which had I think had different Engine to MW2.

queeq
is it??? Oh... it looked like an expansion pack.

Well, my PC wasn't even equipped to play WaW... no Jap killing for me..

Sadako of Girth
Well not in a game at least.

Wait til Lo Han Bay starts remaking all your favorite movies.

queeq
*cocks gun*

Sadako of Girth
Wow! Queeq REALLY likes guns lol

MOST people would pump the slide or pull back a hammer...

But mannnnn..... You crazy Europeans...!!!! laughing out loud

queeq
Pump the slide is for people who can't shoot. Plus the slow cocking of a hand gun demonstrates not only self confidence but imbues the victim with an increasing amount of terror. And it being a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?

Kazenji
For them Call of duty games the only one i can play on the PC is the first one.

queeq
Is it that old? I loved COD4... But the extremely large amount of custom maps on COD2 makes it great fun online.

Kazenji
nah its just the processor 1.60 GHZ.

Sadako of Girth
Bloody shame you havent got an Xbox, Queeq.
We could have tried kicking each others asses.

I may have to invest mac editions.

Kazenji
whats yours gamertag for the xbox sadako?

Sadako of Girth
I'll PM you.

Kazenji
Sent one back at you.

Sadako of Girth
Cool. big grin

queeq
Now you are trying to seduce me to buy an X-Box eh??

Sadako of Girth
To the green X side of the force....

queeq
Hmm... doubt it.

Kazenji
Why's that

low on money?

Sadako of Girth
Low on testicles...? stick out tongue

queeq
Prolly..

Sadako of Girth
stick out tongue

Darn..... didn't fall for the goading.

*Goes back to drawing board*

queeq
You're getting old.

Sadako of Girth
And I'd STILL whup your ass in an xbox face off..... stick out tongue

queeq
I'm sure you will..

Kazenji
Damn i missed ya today Sadako

"Last seen 14 hours ago playing Call of Duty Black Ops"

Sadako of Girth
Ha. Indeed. Been having some local playoffs.
Might be on later. Im still a noob at it, but im picking it up... smile

queeq
Just a tip: Fire at the moving soldiers of the opposing team.

Sadako of Girth
Heh. I wondered what I was doing wrong...

queeq
Hey, no problem.

Sadako of Girth
stick out tongue

Kazenji
Unless your playing Free for all then theres no team.

Sadako of Girth
Lovely jubbly

Kazenji
Fruit jubes ?

Sadako of Girth
Those too.

Its a London slang for "Niiiiiiiiiice."

Kazenji
well i hope you have some Dead horse on your meat


Grinning like a shot fox.

Sadako of Girth
Bleedin 'ell, me old china.

I had a butcher's at that and nearly went for a ball of chalk down the apples to the all time loser..almost shat me Alan Whickers.

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